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Contractors Outnumber U.S. Troops in IraqPosted on Jul 4, 2007According to data from the State and Defense departments, there are more than 180,000 civilian contractors on America’s payroll in Iraq. That’s about a surge’s worth more than the current troop count, and it doesn’t fully include private security contractors. The L.A. Times takes an exhaustive look at the “coalition of the billing.”
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By great_satan, July 11, 2007 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment
Perhaps the worst factor in al of this is the extent to which the private contractors are actually involved in waging the war.
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By Louise, July 5, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment
“Of the 180,000 private contractors now hustling their sorry a__es in Iraq, the article failed to mention that 1000 have been killed.”
Thanks for mentioning that moni (comment #84230)
When I said,
“those contractors just die. Unknown and uncounted and who cares anyway? Except for the money!”
That was the sentiment I drew from the article. I think we all care deeply when anyone dies in this senseless war. Human sacrifice to satisfy the fantasy of a leader, or leaders is evil. Period.
Dear dialecticks (comment #84108)
Appreciate your observations, but I still believe deliberate chaos was the plan.
When you walk backwards through the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld modus operandi over the past years, the nonsensical really is the only thing that makes sense.
When was the last time you heard any three experts on the Iraq war agree on anything in the same day? The desired result, utter chaos leading to utter confusion, has been achieved!
Will this cut into profits? Not hardly. Military suppliers haven’t been able to keep up with current needs. In fact they haven’t been able to catch up with past needs ... but I doubt any of them are complaining. Because, if they’ve caught on to how the schizophrenic mind works, they know there’s plenty more where that came from.
[Assuming our tax-payer, China funded government doesn’t go broke.]
And, it certainly hasn’t hurt those oil guys!
As far as PNAC is concerned, they are just a simple symptom of the disease. Providing another example of a useful tool, or useful fools. Sometimes caught off balance. Often keeping us off balance. They in fact are not nearly as important as they think they are.
[And I think they are beginning to realize that.]
Iran is still in the plan.
Israel is still calling a lot of the shots.
Bush, his favorite Turd Blossom and Dick are still ruling the roast.
But face it ... we still don’t clearly see the face of the Despot.
I’m not even sure they do!
Just one more piece of our shattered reality we cant find and put back in place.
Report thisBy michael, July 5, 2007 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
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Mike in mid-city You say it is secular the way we do war. Wasn’t this done by people who thru each election thumped their chest about what good christians they are ?? Not only that but that they where they true christians because only evangelicals and born agians are the true christians? And how many christians voted for these bozos just because they wont let the fags marry !!!! Well we dont have gays marrying but we have the largest debit in history hundred of thousands dead and more people than ever that want us dead.
Report thisBy fatesworsethandeath, July 5, 2007 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment
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Should not these war criminals (Bush, CHeney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc and all their corporate bedfellows) be pursued to the ends of the earth, as were so many Nazi leaders? I don’t believe in capital punishment, but life in prison (in any country that’s willing to convict and hold them) would be fitting.
Report thisBy lawlessone, July 5, 2007 at 11:05 am Link to this comment
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The President demanded in a July 4th speech that we have patience for his war surge in Iraq claiming he needs more time for it to work. How perfectly ironic coming from a man who showed no patience at all for the diplomacy process which would have saved us trillions, not to mention the wasted thousands killed and multiples more maimed.
His middle initial should be H for hypocrite.
[more irreverence at resistence-is-possible.blogspot.com]
Report thisBy Dale Headley, July 5, 2007 at 10:29 am Link to this comment
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Private contractors - the Republican dream. So what if they ride down Baghdad streets casually machine gunning civilians and laughing about it? That’s their just reward for bringing obscene profits to Blackwater and other private American companies. For Republicans, ANYTHING that boosts profits for wealthy U.S. stockholders is justified. If Congress and the American people force the U.S.. military to leave, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the hired guns have to leave; they’ll simply have even more carte blanche to murder, rape, and pillage to their heart’s content, underwritten by the American taxpayer.
Report thisBy moni, July 5, 2007 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
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Of the 180,000 private contractors now hustling their sorry a__es in Iraq, the article failed to mention that 1000 have been killed. That contrasts with the 3500 plus American soldiers who have died in Iraq thus far. It would be appropriate to mention that up to a hundred soldiers had their American Citizenship “bestowed upon them” as of yesterday, as part of the Fourth of July Celebrations in Iraq.
Report thisThese were soldiers from Central America, American Samoa, and other places . . . who are proud to be earning their right to call themselves TRUE AMERICANS. Did they read the Constitution I wonder, where the Founding Fathers saw fit to escape the mercenary armies of the British monarchy ?
By Hammo, July 5, 2007 at 10:03 am Link to this comment
Even though the Bush-Cheney gang is using mercenaries and war profiteers in unprecedented numbers, increasing the size of the US Army and Marine Corps is also a goal.
There are undoubtedly plans in place to reactivate the military draft. Food for thought in the article:
“Another view of military waivers: Flexible recruiting avoids draft”
PopulistAmerica.com
Populist Party of America
http://www.populistamerica.com/another_view_of_military_waivers
Report thisBy faith, July 5, 2007 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
Your tax dollars at work folks ! Writeyour congress. Note, that Mr. Bush, et al, are just now getting around to getting v-shaped vehicles, that have been available in South Africa for years and years, to “protect” the troops from the devastating explosions- this is years after the fact. You can surmise the reason. The local yokel contractors could not make the equipment, and by gum, we are going to get the equipment for our military here, in the USA. And, we are going to see that the no-bid contractors reap and rape every penny possible over there. They are, after all, “in the club”, so to speak. Heartbreaking. We need not only new leadership in the White House, we need new leadership in both houses of congress.
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Report thisBy THOMAS BILLIS, July 4, 2007 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment
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The war that just keeps on giving to the backers of this administration.I know that the less cynical among us cannot fathom people who would perpetrate war for profit.If the number of private war contracters in Iraq does not lead you to the war for profit scenario I do not know what will.
Report thisBy great_satan, July 4, 2007 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment
#84045 by Louise:
I’m not sure that “not enough troops” means more money for the contractors. Wouldn’t more troops mean more guns, more everything that many of the contractors profit from.
The drawing it out plan doesn’t really add up either, as if this had been swift and successful, I think the US would be on to new frontiers already. The PNAC scheme went way beyond Iraq.
I don’t necessarily think what you say isn’t true, but it doesn’t make sense.
Maybe the whole PNAC doctrine itself is nothing but a smokescreen of rhetoric. Maybe it is just about wrecklessly destabilizing for the profit of a few.
Report thisAccording to their own creedo however, they intended to “get ‘er done.” There would be money in that as well. Whether more or less, i don’t know.
It may be that the whole thing was a terrible rush job. They had the enthusiasm of 9/11 going, were fast talking congress and the public and knew their windowof opportunity was limited. So they didn’t really have much of a plan at all. They figured Iraqis were like Germans and if they took out the leaders and carpet bombed the major city, things would just fall into place shortly thereafter.
I’ve recently forced myself to read about every article Robert Kagan has written, just to see what these people are thinking. Its a bit hard to sum up his thought and in the end, the study session left me with more questions than answers.
Anyway, Dr Evil himself said they needed twice the troops from the beginning. As he put it, in an interview with Charlie Rose, “We have enough troops to appear to be an occupation to the Iraqis, but not enough to actually be an occupation.”
By 911truthdotorg, July 4, 2007 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment
Soon Blackwater and others will probably outnumber the sworn police officers in this country. They have a base in NC, IL and near San Diego.
Most of the sworn police officers in this country are nothing but gestapo anyway. They don’t uphold the Constitution in the least. Look at how they act in NYC and LA. In fact, NYC is banning all photography and videotaping. They don’t want any evidence being recorded of cops beating people and stopping protests.
The criminal in the White House has made the US Constitution “just a goddamn piece of paper”, just like he said it was.
If we don’t rise up, we WILL be beaten down!
Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism
Report thisBy Farmer, July 4, 2007 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment
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The Shrub and the Shootist only care that the troops follow orders. “They chose to be soldiers and soldiers get killed or maimed” is their outlook.
Report thisWhether it was to show daddy that the lil’ brat could do something daddy didn’t do or corporate greed that drove the Shrub to lie his way into this “war”, it has been mismanaged from the start.
Understandable since the planner’s were over-ruled by someone who had, years ago, sat in a Navy airplane.
Now that the Democrat’s have shown themselves to be mostly unwilling to stand up to Shrub and his blatant disregard for the Constitution and the American People, it is up to us to demand our Representatives to start representing us.
By Enemy of State, July 4, 2007 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment
I don’t believe we went in primarily to make profit for corporations, although that was one of many motivating factors.
I’m not so sure the low level contractors (not their managers safely esconced back home or in the green zone) are getting a very good deal. At least members of the armed services, if they are injured or suffer PTSD, recieve VA services back home. These services will go on for years -part of the reason the real cost of Bush’s Excellenet Iraq Adventure is going to cost us more that a trillion dollars. The contractors if they are injured are mostly simply out-of-luck.
Worst off are these foreign workers from third world countries. Most of these have passports stamped NOT VALID for Iraq. Their home countries think Iraq is too dangerous, and hoped to protect thier citizens from being thus exploited. In any case. Most of them were told they would be working in places like Dubai, or Kuwait, and were horrified when the charter plane left Kuwait traveling North into Iraq.
The other problem has to do with the lack of accountability of the security contractors. At least the US military tries very hard to prevent abuses, but these contractors have no-one watching over them.
Report thisBy rodney, July 4, 2007 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
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mo money mo money and mo money. I bet the soldiers don’t make what the private contracters make. If the contractors made what the soldiers make they would never went to Iraq unless the were illegal Mexican immigrants. Why don’t the Bush Administration tell us the number of immigrants fighting the war that Americans won’t fight. Tell us how many female soldiers are raped by their male counterparts. How many American soldiers are killed by American weapons that we supplied to the so called Iraqi forces . It’s what they don’t want us to know. Part of the lies and deception that has made billions for Cheney’s friends at Halliburton,Bechtel,Kellog,Root and Brown and Blackwater.Bush and Cheney will be out of office when the real questions about this war will be answered. Prosecution and jail should never be too late
Report thisBy Louise, July 4, 2007 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment
“These numbers are big,” said Peter Singer, a Brookings Institution scholar who has written on military contracting. “They illustrate better than anything that we went in without enough troops. This is not the coalition of the willing. It’s the coalition of the billing.”
While the Brookings Institute may be the oldest functioning “Think Tank” it is a think tank nonetheless. And one with hard and decisive ties to the republican right-wing. So obviously they lean to convincing us the problem may lay with to many contractors and to few troops.
Ergo, the war wasn’t [isn’t] wrong, we just went in without enough troops!
One more clear example of how we and our military are being misled and used.
We went in with exactly enough troops to meet the intended objective! All one need do is review and it becomes crystal clear.
Christian Miller gives us an excellent overview of the numbers, but frames the report under the assumption that this is a legitimate war. Like most in main stream media, suffering still from the planned delusion. Namely that we wanted to bring Democracy to those poor beleaguered Iraqis.
That was NEVER the plan.
The plan is and always has been to bring US style Corporate control to the Iraqis!
Once you understand that, it becomes obvious “we” went in with just exactly enough troops.
Enough troops to pretty well level the place.
Enough troops to destroy the infrastructure.
Enough troops to make them hate us.
And, enough troops to cycle in and out to make sure they keep hating us.
You see, as long as they hate us, they will resist. And as long as they resist the excuse remains to stay!
“The only reason we have contractors is to support the war fighter,” said Gary Motsek, the assistant deputy undersecretary of Defense who oversees contractors. “Fundamentally, they’re supporting the mission as required.”
Does that mean the private contractors are supposed to be protecting the troops?
If so, they are doing a lousy job!
Actually, they are there to protect the cushy digs the congress’ers and corporateers hang out in.
They are there to make sure the profit flows undisturbed.
They are there so the few dim-bulbs back home who still believe this administration believes in Democracy wont recognize the truth about this administrations war. That it is a war of choice, being fought for the sole purpose of enriching the rich.
The troops cant do the job of the contractors.
They need to be kept distanced from the truth lest they be seen as part of the war profiteering ... the sheer greed and corruption that so typifies the Bush administration and their loyal supporters.
That the troops die is of little consequence. So long as they can keep the numbers under five figures.
Compare this evil war to that other evil war fought for profit ... Vietnam.
When the number of dead and wounded US troops soared, even the most hard-headed, dumb’d down loyalists said enough is enough.
They learned that lesson well, those war-profiteers.
Keep the numbers down, so we can continue plundering and profiting indefinitely.
We should have known exactly what was coming the day Rumsfeld began calling our troops “war fighters.”
Reduce them to a visualization of some sort of toy ... a character in an electronic game and watch the folks back home not pay attention to the casualties.
As for those contractors, there is no place in the plan to let us feel any grief over their losses. That’s why those numbers are not published. While our troops function as little more than human sacrifice to satisfy the lust and the greed, those contractors just die. Unknown and uncounted and who cares anyway?
Report thisExcept for the money!
By Warren, July 4, 2007 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment
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To the L.A. Times.
Really?
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A number of contractors have died (three of them in Falouja, where their burned bodies were hung on the bridge), causing the American military to incinerate the city, killing many hundreds of people). Also bringing the name “Blackwater”, the contractor, to the fore, having been largely unknown before.
What do you want to bet they would not pull out in a heartbeat, if they were being killed in the great numbers that the American military is?
Shows the true priority Bush and Cheney have for the military…
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