#80663 by Non Credo:

Verne, the fact that you conniving, cynical betrayers of America actually think the outrage you evoke is funny only justifies the very worst that may be coming to you when your little jig is finally up.

Here come the threats of violence.

Predictable, and only a matter of time, coming from the philosophical stable-mate of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Hezbollah..........

#80645 by Verne Arnold on 6/23 at 5:36 am
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#80615 by lilmamzer on 6/22 at 10:53 pm

Your last post was a hoot.  You have the patience of a saint.  Good on you!  Non Credo, whatever that means, is a case.  I wouldn’t have bothered.  Are you making any headway?  I sure hope so.

We need more people like you, thanks.
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Verne, the fact that you conniving, cynical betrayers of America actually think the outrage you evoke is funny only justifies the very worst that may be coming to you when your little jig is finally up.

#80645 by Verne Arnold:

Your last post was a hoot.  You have the patience of a saint.  Good on you!  Non Credo, whatever that means, is a case.  I wouldn’t have bothered.

Good on ya, mate. From Oz are you?
Thanks for the kind words.

#80615 by lilmamzer on 6/22 at 10:53 pm

Oops, not your last post...the one one above with your offer of paying the medical bills.  I’m still laughing.

#80615 by lilmamzer on 6/22 at 10:53 pm

Your last post was a hoot.  You have the patience of a saint.  Good on you!  Non Credo, whatever that means, is a case.  I wouldn’t have bothered.  Are you making any headway?  I sure hope so.

We need more people like you, thanks.

Lilmamzer writes:

Here’s some very recent examples of your good nature:

#80127 by Non Credo on 6/21 at 1:39 pm - “I hate you because I am sick, down to my bones, of my government underwriting your profoundly hateful and murderous Zionist project.”
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Grievously disappointed friendship can show itself more bitterly than mere enmity, lilmamzer.

Only one who once believed your myths about dear little Israel can hate it as I do now.

When someone plays you for a fool and commits grave crimes in your name and at your expense, by exploiting your best instincts, it is like having a piece of your soul stolen.

#80603 by Non Credo:

Actually, I believe the population of Israel is less than 7 million citizens, and 20 percent of these citizens are 2nd-class, i.e., non-Jewish.

The latest census figures out Israel’s 2007 population at 7,150,000, of which Jews constitute 76%, or 5,415,000 people.

And you labeled ALL the citizens of Israel “tar babies”. Every man, woman, and child.

I challenge you to go to the next meeting of the NAACP, or better yet, the local chapter of the Nation of Islam, and address the assembled people as ‘tar babies’.

I will pay your medical expenses, or, if necessary, your funeral expenses.

I can’t wait to see what nonsense you come up with next - you are very entertaining, “non credo”.

#80606 by Non Credo:

But one day, you will realize that you have mistaken our good nature for stupidity.

“You” vs. “Our” figures so prominently in your thinking.

Are you so sure I am not as American as one can be?  After all, I just might be one of the overwhelming majority of American citizens who is both well-informed about Middle East issues AND pro-Israel. That would put YOU in the minority. Shall I repost some of examples of your hateful rhetoric to contradict your claim of being ‘good natured’?

Here’s some very recent examples of your good nature:

#80127 by Non Credo on 6/21 at 1:39 pm - “I hate you because I am sick, down to my bones, of my government underwriting your profoundly hateful and murderous Zionist project.”

#80118 by Non Credo: - “She’s like a slut who recklessly gobbles antibiotics and retrovirals (paid for by her stupid sucker boyfriend) and then orgies her guts out, because, well, she just loves filth.”

#80001 by Non Credo on 6/21 at 8:21 am:  “In all your posts, you have already provided us with a vivid picture of your spiritual ugliness........
And now you create in our minds a deeply unwanted mental image of yourself hunching in a loveless mating fever before your monitor.”

#80606 by Non Credo:

You tell us to our faces that you think we’re inferior to you

Who tells whom, exactly?

And where?

Cite something specific. Or is this just more empty rhetoric?

#80602 by Non Credo:

Now, as you can see, my use of the term derives from this and only this, the absolutely standard use of the term.

In America today, the standard use of this term is pejorative.

Go up to the next black man you see and call him a tar baby to his face.

See what happens.

Illmamzer writes: “At least you acknowledge that Americans do have a passionate attachment to Israel,”
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Yes; and this is unreciprocated.

Israel only supports the US insofar as the US does everything Israel demands. Americans grovel to Israel even in the face of grave insults, exploitation, and betrayal.

You tell us to our faces that you think we’re inferior to you, and we seem to prove it by lavishing our blood and treasure on you.

But one day, you will realize that you have mistaken our good nature for stupidity. It is not stupid to prefer to believe the best in people. It’s good character.

But when the good and strong people of America are finally, against their fondest wishes, forced to face the fact that a “friend” is really a remorseless exploiter of almost unimaginable perfidy and cynicism, then woe be unto you.

Why on earth are you using that term to describe the 7 million Jewish citizens of Israel?
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Actually, I believe the population of Israel is less than 7 million citizens, and 20 percent of these citizens are 2nd-class, i.e., non-Jewish.

OK, lilmamzer. I was pretty sure the term tar baby did not have anything originally to do with African Americans, but I’ve done some research to refresh my memory - just to be doubly certain. Here is the opening of the Wikipedia article, which comports with my memory:

“Tar-Baby was a doll made of tar and turpentine, used to entrap Br’er Rabbit in the second of the Uncle Remus stories. The more that Br’er Rabbit fought the Tar-Baby, the more entangled he became. In contemporary usage a tar baby refers to any “sticky situation"[1] that is only aggravated by efforts to solve it.”

Now, as you can see, my use of the term derives from this and only this, the absolutely standard use of the term.

But of course, you’re just seizing on this, because you’re desperate, because you know you’ve got nothing but distractions and blatant lies to offer in argument.

Tar baby?

The expression “tar baby” has negative connotations....

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Your fixation on my use of this term speaks volumes about your intellectual bankrupty.

#80485 by Non Credo:

If we in the US would only drop our passionate attachment to the tar baby that is Israel

Tar baby?

The expression “tar baby” has negative connotations revolving around pejorative images of African-Americans.

Are you saying that Israelis are dark and nasty like African-Americans?

You are an equal-opportunity bigot. Jews AND blacks are on your shit-list now. Very nice.

In recent years, several Republicans who have publicly used the term have encountered some controversy, mocking, and censure from African-American civil rights leaders. Why on earth are you using that term to describe the 7 million Jewish citizens of Israel?

At least you acknowledge that Americans do have a passionate attachment to Israel, and they should. Americans love freedom, and identify with Israel’s continuing resistance to those would deny them their freedom. But to you they are just “tar babies”.

#80485 by Non Credo:

If we in the US would only drop our passionate attachment to the tar baby that is Israel, we would see our problems with Lebanon and other Middle Eastern countries dwindle to near nothing

Put another way, you are saying that if the US stops supporting Israel:

* The Christians and the Muslims of Lebanon would no longer be antagonists to the point of imminent civil war?

* The great Sunni-Shia divide in the Muslim world would magically heal itself?

* Egypt would no longer persecute its Coptic Christian minorities?

* The misogyny in Saudi Arabia would transform into liberation for women?

Please detail for us how this would all work.

If we in the US would only drop our passionate attachment to the tar baby that is Israel, we would see our problems with Lebanon and other Middle Eastern countries dwindle to near nothing - with the exception of Israel itself.

The only country in the Middle East that is by its nature troublesome to everyone on the planet is Israel, because of its founding lunacy and constitutional aggressiveness.

There is no reason on God’s green earth for us to continue to champion this Zionist ethno-religio-nationalist experiment. It’s not any of our concern - except perhaps as something to condemn along with all like injustices. Let them fail or succeed without us - but we should get out of the Zionism business.

If we continue to have anything to do with Israel, we should only work cooperatively with them and the rest of the world in the interest of containing the damage Zionism does, in the same way that we contained the Soviet Union. I’d say an uneasy detente is about the best Israel ought to be able to expect from the rest of the world, until such time as that insane country undergoes a national brain transplant.