#78124 by cyrena on 6/14 at 5:56 pm

So now the US and UN don’t have the right to spend their money where they see fit?

The UN and EU all classify Hamas as a terrorist group - but I suspect you believe they’re under Cheney’s control as well?

Thanks Nahida, for enlightening us with this. See what I mean, this is the kind of stuff that we know is going on, but don’t have the information available to everyone, so that we can connect the dots.

The interview that Mr. Scheer, and James Harris conducted with Dr. Wasfi is SUPERB!! She provides an excellant collection of first hand information, (oral history)and connects the dots of reality on our occupation of Iraq, from an Iraqi perspective.

It’s here on the website. I highly recommend it. (for whatever my recommendation might be worth).

Mr. Dragoo,

Your wish:

....I only wish our guys would start fighting each other it might get rid of a few of them…..

I say ditto to that. (and all the rest). And, we may get that wish. I see a total collapse, sooner rather than later. Maybe that’s what has to happen at this point. I don’t know. Just seems like it’s beyond the point of any control now. With every passing day, there is less of our system to salvage.

And yeah, all we have to do is look at Gaza or any number of other places on the globe, and see the twin reflection.

What is really happening in Gaza:

“Ever since Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections in the occupied territories in January 2006, elements of the leadership of the long-dominant Fatah movement, including Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas and his advisors have conspired with Israel, the United States and the intelligence services of several Arab states to overthrow and weaken Hamas.

This support has included funneling weapons and tens of millions of dollars to unaccountable militias, particularly the “Preventive Security Force” headed by Gaza warlord Mohammad Dahlan, a close ally of Israel and the United States and the Abbas-affiliated “Presidential Guard.” US Deputy National Security Advisor Elliott Abrams—who helped divert money to the Nicaraguan Contras in the 1980s and who was convicted of lying to Congress in the Iran-Contra scandal—has spearheaded the effort to set up these Palestinian Contras.

(This background has been extensively detailed in a number of articles published by The Electronic Intifada in recent months). Abrams is also notorious for helping to cover up massacres and atrocities committed against civilians in El Salvador by US-backed militias and death squads.”

Read the rest of the article here:

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article7030.shtml

Ditto to Billy and Geronimo. The divide and conquer is the first phase of divide and rule. We’ve been seeing the divide and conquer phase go badly in Iraq. They haven’t got to the ruling stage yet, which won’t happen till they make the Iraqis sign that hydrocarbon law, and even then, it won’t be easy. (which is why george has already started warning you that things are gonna keep getting worse). Even if they find a way to get that law passed at gunpoint, the people aren’t gonna just stop resisting the theft.

And yeah, genocide is the next step after that. Lord knows we’ve seen it (or at least read about it)happen over and over again. That’s what kicked off this great nation of ours.

Marshall, these “games” have been ongoing for 4o years, except of course the Palestinians don’t see them as “games’. The Palestinians elected their representatives over 18 months ago, and all of their funds were immediately cut off by the US and bush, because they made the “wrong choice”, as far as the Cheney administration was concerned.  And….it was THEIR choice. And, since it was THEIR choice, and since Hamas has been their only possible hope with what you call their “problems”. (like being imprisoned without resources for the past 40 years, because that’s what Gaza is…an open air prison, where the entire population suffers enormously) then it doesn’t really MATTER if the US has politically named them as a “terrorist” group. One man’s (Cheney’s) terrorist group is other peoples’ freedom fighters.

And, the Cheney agenda has ALWAYS been to set up his own camp in Israel, and use it as a way to strategically control the entire region, and to wipe out any and all Palestinians, or Arabs in general. Sharon wasn’t quite as willing to let the US just take over. So, while he certainly did his own share of damage and destruction, he was a pragmatic thinker, and the horror may have eventually worked it’s way to a resolution, had he not been disabled by that stroke. (I don’t know that, and we never will). But, it’s a possibility. But since, Israel has in effect, given over its leadership to a weakling who has allowed Cheney to run his government there, by proxy. And, Israel is now failing in that respect, the same way that we are. The majority of Israelis don’t support this position, and nobody else in the region does either.

So, to that extent, it IS the shrubs fault, because he’s following orders, and the agenda that was long ago set by the “grown-ups” in the White House. And, they let george play at making decisions and stuff, until he throws a tantrum, or some occasionally more rational minds explain to him, that the stuff he’s doing (by Cheney’s orders) is getting him deeper and deeper into his own pile of shit. So in that sense, it IS his fault, because he’s never been able to do anything right in his life, and when he screws up, somebody has always bailed him out. So, HE’S the one that nobody can or should take seriously, even though he’s the president on paper, and on the news.

Rather, we should be paying far more attention to what Cheney and his Secret Staff are doing, (along with the Rovian himself) that of course, is much harder to track, just because he is the epitome of hubris and malfeasance.

This thing in Gaza was going to happen, if only because these people have been left with absolutely NO other alternatives for self-determination. Whomever has failed to figure out that it was inevitable, (for that very reason) is the “fault” of it. Failing to acknowledge that you cannot persecute an entire population of people forever, decades upon decades, without some sort of resistance, is downright STUPID. Even Hitler didn’t get away with it for THAT long.

Try as I might I cannot understand why anarchy, hate, violence, aggression and just plain ugliness becomes a lifestyle in any culture.

Trust has been completely replaced by bad faith and treachery, ON ALL SIDES. I have no idea what will or can bring an end to this self-perpetuating tragedy. I feel so sorry for those caught up in it with no escape.

I simply cannot accept that EVERYONE is insane in the Middle East, but it sure looks that way from the reports I’m fed by our media. What a profoundly depressing and stupid way to live!

Finally, Truthdig has a barely audible reference to the violence among Palestinians.  But the “blame the US” game has already begun, avoiding putting blame where it belongs on the Palestinian people who voted a radical terrorist group into office and expected it to solve their problems.  The “two state solution” just became the “three state monster” and guess what?  It’s not Bush’s fault.  The dodging and weaving on the left will be interesting… figuring out just which Palestinians to side with and how to remain credible while portraying Hamas as a victim group (and tacitly supporting its sworn destruction of Israel because we secretly agree with them).  Let the games begin.