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  •  #77884 by cyrena on 6/14 at 12:58 am —
  •  The al-Qaeda types don’t like ANY of the other Muslims that believe anything different than their wild versions of religious fanaticism, and so they are in a small pocket all of their own, and the rest of the Muslim world doesn’t like them either.

******cyrena: reflect a little further on al-Qaeda. You couldn’t find a more useful gang of agents provocateurs if you designed it…hmm, what a notion, why not? http://www.apfn.net/MESSAGEBOARD/01-11-04/discussion.cgi.28.html

Wanna instigate a global war of terror to discredit any and all islamic nationalist movements, free of Western dominance (i.e. Islamofascists) to play to your audience ( i.e. funders) in the West, while simultaneously generating fear, copious anger and hatred at the street level throughout the Middle East; AQ, led by legendary OBL is just the ticket.

The domestic line is “blow back, blow back, blow back”...they hate us for whatever. Don’t buy it. It’s integral to the grand scheme.

What at crock, you’ll hear from voices like Cockburn, et al:  there’s no scheme, just loads of incompetence. Don’t buy it. It’s all the cover needed. Of late Cockburn and even Chomsky are sounding like rich assets.

The Global War of Terror is scheduled for 100 years by which time the intention is to have driven every society on the planet into abject servitude to the New World Oligarchy.

You must remember this: “The Central Intelligence Agency owns anyone of any significance in the major media.” — Former CIA Director William Colby

Mark Dolce,
I’m not well versed enough in blackops to know certify this as a technique, but it pretty much fits the bill if we look at it.

I DO know that the Sunni Shia split happened way back when, but they have NOT been fighting each other in a civil war for that long. So please, check out some more extensive Middle East History. The Sunni - Shia splinter is not any more hostile than any other demoninational splits in other religions…like Christianity.

PRIOR to the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq, the Sunni and Shia lived together, married each other, and everything else. They are all Muslims, (including the non-Arab Kurds and the non-Arab Persians next door in Iran.) So, they have that all in common.

So, the foundation of their current “civil war”, (which we initiated, since they damn sure weren’t fighting each other before) is NOT based on their religious differences, but rather on the same thing that any other nation would battle over…control of their natural resources.

And for that, they SHOULD be battling the ones who are trying to steal it from them, instead of each other. But, that’s what it’s come to. So, don’t claim that they’ve been fighting like this for a thousand centuries any more than the Catholics, or Protestants, or Baptists, or Methodist, or Evangelicals, or anybody else has.

The al-Qaeda types don’t like ANY of the other Muslims that believe anything different than their wild versions of religious fanaticism, and so they are in a small pocket all of their own, and the rest of the Muslim world doesn’t like them either. If you were to walk down a street in Baghdad or Detroit, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between and Iraqi Sunni and an Iraqi Shia. THEY can’t even tell the difference unless they can find out a name.

So this isn’t a Sunni/Shia civil war as much as it is an Iraqi civil war, prompted by the invasion and occupation of a foreign power. And our presence there has ZIP to do with Osama, because Osama had ZIP connection to Iraq or Saddam. We are there to steal the OIL. Period. It has nothing to do with revenge for 9-11, because if we were retaliating against that attack, we would have found Osama and Zawahiri and sent them up for trial and justice. They were in Afghanistan. NOT Iraq. Since we didn’t bother to catch them there, before we shot off to Iraq, the bastards got away, and gathered up a bunch of people with nothing better to do, and met us in Iraq to continue the fight. The Iraqis got caught in the middle, (since it’s THEIR country)and started fighting each other as well.

The bombing of this shrine (AGAIN)wasn’t carried out the way normal “insurgent” warfare plays out. That at least gives us a clue to the fact that Cheney is probably up to his old tricks, in-between trying to work out a way to bomb Iran.

And, he’s using the same old tired lies that we’ve already heard. Iran is alledgedly selling arms to the Taliban now, (according to Cheney’s people) and claiming that they have a connection to al-Qaeda as well. al-Qaeda HATES Iran. For one thing, they aren’t Arabs, and the other thing is that they are Shi’ite. Just like he hated Saddam, even though he was a Sunni Arab. Saddam wasn’t “religious” enough for bin Laden, so he wanted to wipe him out too.

It’s a mess, but it’s worth understanding, if only to know that it’s not the Sunni Shia ideology that caused this current civil war. (at least not until somebody (??) bombed that Shi’ite Mosque last year.

When we understand the shadow agenda, (OIL privatization) it’s easier to figure out who the players are on all of the sides.

#77843 by Mark Dolce on 6/13 at 8:40 pm
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If the bombing of this mosque does not prove the depth of this civil war and that America has no business being involved

********** what this proves is the desperation of the provocateurs to sustain and expand this madness into total chaos. Again, this is classic black-ops/psy-ops — historically, the weapon of choice for imperialists, from the times of ancient Rome. Indeed, America has no business making chaos like this, but this is exactly what the hegemonic New World Oligarchy intends: total chaos, until a world so desperate and frightened will accept any “peacekeeping” the hegemons offer.

these religious nuts in iraq are almost as bad as the nuts in ireland. it’s too bad that all followers of any religion are incapable of totally wiping each other out completely. i suggest thermonuclear holocaust, it would be glorious.

#77707 by Marshall on 6/13 at 1:35 pm
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So why has Truthdig made no mention of the conflict between Hamas and Fatah?

********** who knows? But, if you start scratching around amidst that mess, you’re going to find more Mossad agents provocateurs than Carter’s got pills. A strategy of tension has been the Zionist game plan from the day they bombed the King David Hotel. And why isn’t this in the MSM? Never forget: “The Central Intelligence Agency owns anyone of any significance in the major media.” — Former CIA Director William Colby

So why has Truthdig made no mention of the conflict between Hamas and Fatah?

Where’s the bomb coming from ?

Dog Blog, I’m so sure you’re right. I can’t prove it, and I don’t know anyone who can, but this is all on the US. It makes me physically ill.

Classic black-ops/psy-ops - don’t look to islamofascist perps - look to CIA/MI-6/Mossad - and it will not end until they have achieved their goal of total chaos, and acceptance of any “peacekeeping” measures the hegemons push; or by some miracle, moral indignation finally overwhelms politics as usual and the real criminals are rounded up and tired on an international stage for war crimes - Cheny goes first!