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No-Confidence Vote on Gonzales Stalls in Senate

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Posted on Jun 11, 2007
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Senate Republicans successfully blocked a symbolic vote of no-confidence in Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Monday, although none defended his performance. A handful of Republicans, including some who have called for Gonzales’ resignation, voted with the Democrats, while Joe Lieberman voted against the measure.


AP via Yahoo:

The 53-38 vote to move the resolution to full debate fell seven short of the 60 required. In bringing the matter up, Democrats dared Republicans to vote their true feelings about an attorney general who has alienated even the White House’s strongest defenders by bungling the firings of federal prosecutors and claiming not to recall the details.

Republicans did not defend him, but most voted against moving the resolution ahead.

Monday’s vote was not the end of scrutiny for Gonzales and his management of the Justice Department—more congressional hearings are scheduled and an internal department investigation continues.

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By Leefeller, June 12, 2007 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

What is with this symbolic voting in Congress lately, they do not want to make real votes?  When we go to the polls in 08, what if we all voted the way Congress is doing,  make our votes symbolic. Moot point, we may already be there. 

Is this a take off from virtual reality, some sort of strange way of doing things, a game?  It seems like it to me. 

Now that I think of it, if Congress only made symbolic votes, Bush could make symbolic vetoes.  Back in the old days,  Bush could have declared a symbolic war on terror and made a symbolic attack on Iraq with symbolic troops, then we would still have 3500 of our brothers and sisters still with us. 

Sad to say, their deaths are real and only symbolic to the White House.

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By cyrena, June 12, 2007 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Mid-City Mike wrote:

Will the Bush administration decamp en-mass to a country without extradition to the U.S.A.?


And, I think we already have the answer. YEP, they will decamp en-mass, to a country without extradition. (or whose legal process they control as they have here, so that the extradition laws would be ignored). Because…...they have in fact already done that.

Remember that Cheney’s Halliburton has recently moved it’s “headquarters” to Dubai. And, Dubai just recently completed a “Corporate Tower Structure” that is the tallest in the whole world…or something like that.

Meantime, george has purchased that enormous parcel of land in South America. (I want to say Paraquay, but it could be someplace else nearby) All of the others have escape plans as well. They’re just hanging in there long enough to steal as much as they can, before they have to leave. They know there will be no coming back.

And actually, george has pretty much made this clear from the beginning. Somebody asked him years ago, about the global warming question and all of that, because of course he doesn’t believe in any of that scientific stuff. His answer was something like, “it didn’t matter about the global warming, or the destruction of the enviornment, because…..“WE WOULD ALL BE DEAD ANYWAY.” And yes, he said “we” so he presumably was considering that even he might be mortal, and die one day.

But, he’s got a comfy place until then, and that’s all that matters to them.

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By lawlessone, June 12, 2007 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment
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General Gonzales on the eve of his “No Confidence” vote in Congress insisted “I’m focusing on what’s important to the American people.”  Since Justice, Fairness, Honesty and Democracy are, or at least should be, what’s important to the American people, he probably wouldn’t have been facing a “No Confidence” vote if he hadn’t been trying to thwart all those things as head of the Department of Justice.

[more irreverence at resistence-is-possible.blogspot.com]

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By joneden, June 12, 2007 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment
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The chief law enforcement officer can go to congress and lie repeatedly—no problem.

A high level justice dept official takes the 5th—no problem.

The president lies or misleads almost every time he opens his mouth in public—no problem.

One month ago, the future of the Iraq war hinged on “The Surge”; now we are told that we will be there for many decades like Korea—no problem.

The white house gives up an American spy for domestic political advantage—no problem.

The vice president’s chief of staff lies repeatedly about the above case and is sentenced. We have heard from the President on down through Kissinger (if it is possible to go that low) what a tragedy this conviction is—what Libby did, obstruct justice in the highest office in the land, no problem.

We know all is well with our system because Paris has gone back to jail to serve out her 23 days, and we hear that she finding jail to be a growing experience.

jon

Connecting the dots: from human behaviors to ecosystem decline
http://StudentsForTheEarth.org

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By Dieter Heymann, June 12, 2007 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment
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There is a very good reason why the House of Representatives should not start impeachment procedures against AG Gonzales. Once the investigation begins he can avoid having to testify in Congress with the argument that he is being investigated. I know that he has a habit of “I do not remember”. However, others do remember what he said or did and that will ultimately do him in.

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By QuyTran, June 12, 2007 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

It odors like unclean toilet. Bush’s servants are only loyal to king dynasty and never pay attention to this nation’s face before civilized world. Are we coming back to medieval ?

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By Nick, June 12, 2007 at 11:45 am Link to this comment
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Sorry to anyone who thought the Democrats would actually do something.  What a bunch of losers.  They have bailed on everything that they were voted in to do that mattered.  Some oversight.  The Bushies say anything and they go and hide.  Pussies!

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By Sang Ze, June 12, 2007 at 6:04 am Link to this comment
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Gonzales? Another big joke. Impeachment? Honesty in government? Once again congress has shown its true color. Bush got into office through fraud. The Democrats have followed suit. Who cares if there’s an election in 2008? It won’t change anything.

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By Verne Arnold, June 12, 2007 at 4:41 am Link to this comment

#77233 by cyrena on 6/11 at 11:24 pm

No problem, I thought you read one of my other posts.  I like your posts.  My posts were about the internet NOT being the equivalent of the street because it’s too comfortable and doesn’t require one to move or otherwise get off of ones butt.

The streets are “in you face serious” and involve a real commitment, like maybe jail or the 6 o’clock news.  Why would any one but the choir pay any attention to us?  We’re a bunch of malcontent’s, who won’t be heard by mainstream America even if in fact we are mainstream America!  We’re the few who cry out for change…how many of us are there, I mean here in truthdig?  Not all that many.  There must be hundreds of sites like this plus or minus…but where’s the unity, cohesion, continuity?  There isn’t any.  Yes we voted the “bastards out” and the “good guys in” and Bush and Cheney and Lieberman are laughing at the impotence. 

They aren’t really listening and why should they.  In the morning the sun will come up, soldiers will die, money (a lot) will be made…the only people dying are a bunch of volunteers, mercenaries, and rag heads (they’re term)!  Yeah, laughing, and why wouldn’t they?


Frankly, I’m ready to call it quits as per my comment previously in this article.  Lieberman indeed!  That he still exists is by itself, an indictment of our society.

There has to a “point break” where the American people finally say, “Enough”!  Another poster said the problem is; we don’t have a draft as we did in Viet Nam.  It’s so sad…if ever there was a country that should have endured, it should have been us, but we gave up that possibility and I’m not sure we can ever get it back.

Everyone here (almost) has done a good job and said the things needing saying…but until we, as in WE, bring this into the public arena, it’s hopeless!

De Nile ain’t just a river in Egypt ya know!

Thanks, Verne

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By cyrena, June 12, 2007 at 12:24 am Link to this comment

Sorry Verne, I was responding to Nitro’s post, not yours.

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By KYJurisDoctor, June 12, 2007 at 12:20 am Link to this comment

Alberto Gonzales’ fate is for Bush, and ONLY Bush, to decide!

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/06/republicans-rightfully-show-no.html#links

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By cyrena, June 11, 2007 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

Well Verne,

I’m all for “taking it to the streets” but the streets are already far more crowded than they used to be, (homeless people, those dumped out of the HMO’s onto the urban streets, hungry people, jobless people, etc, etc)So, it’s not like any of this is really “hidden”. I’m sure the people who work for the I.R.S. have to walk through this population as well. But, they (for the most part) have to just keep their heads down and their noses clean, seeing as how they’re all a blink away from the same themselves.

Let me tell you, if the Mob could fire all of those people, (and the hundreds of others that have been career bureaucrats at the public servant level) the folks at the I.R.S. switchboard really aren’t going to respond all that favorably to a bunch of calls.
Not that I mean to sound pessimistic, because I agee that “we the people” need to do more.

Californians also considered some “secession” legislation a few years back. (maybe longer). But, it was just a dream. Didn’t last long.

These other states HAVE passed impeachment legislation though. I think 11 of them so far. So, that’s something a whole lot better than I ever thought would happen when this nightmare kick-off.

People move slowly. Our original smoke signal communication system has deteriorated. Now we have all of this high tech super communications stuff, and it STILL takes years for the majority of people to start figuring it out. Ironically enough, it’s probably BECAUSE of this high-fangled technology that so many folks are either missing the message entirely, or getting the wrong one. I think the use of mass media for propaganda has done even more damage than if folks just didn’t know ANYTHING to begin with. At least then, we could start with a clean slate.

As it is now, at least half of the population has to be de-programmed from the era of Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O’Reilly, and yes…even Oprah.

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By G.Anderson, June 11, 2007 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

Gonzalez, can’t go.

Who will protect Bush if he’s gone.

And a Bush without legal protection, is a liablility to those in charge, Bush would have trouble with Democrats, and a few Republicans who are not on the corporate leash.

Gonzalez is the key to impeachment, remove him from office, and Bush can be impeached. But don’t expect that to be easy, it’s going to be real nasty.

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By Nitro, June 11, 2007 at 10:48 pm Link to this comment

What a crock of shit ! Until the American People stand up and evidently Impeach the whole damn bunch on Capitol Hill, we will never see justice served on these criminals. None of them !

Maybe the first thing we should do is STOP THEIR PAY CHECKS, PERKS & BENEFITS ! Why should the American tax payers have to pay for such irresponsible, worthless, useless Representatives in our government. Does anyone out there get paid at their job for breaking the law, committing treason, and DOING NOTHING AT THEIR JOBS ?

I suppose unless you are a C.E.O. at some corporate level position that makes sure they help the Bushit administration CRIPPLE the American work force and economy… While practicing the same tactics at stealing our tax dollars and selling our jobs to the foreigners.

If this country isn’t a 2nd Revolution waiting to happen, I don’t know what is. We can evidently sign petitions, call our Congressmen, bitch, rant and rave about the injustices going on, and none of them plan on doing a damn thing about it.

I wish EVERYONE in this country would writeor call the I.R.S. and their local Congressmen and tell them we will not pay anymore taxes what so ever, until we have a government that will be responsible, accountable, governable,  and will be loyal to the American People instead of the Corporate Slime that controls this government and the officials they evidently own and pull their strings. That and the lobbyists and special interest groups in their side pockets.

One thing people… Evidently the Corporations and our Representatives have forgotten how they got where they are. Americans can do without Corporations. Corporations cannot do without Americans !

NO MORE TAXES ! NO MORE PAY CHECKS ! TILL THESE MATTERS ARE ALL RESOLVED ! DEMAND IT !!! I am trying to find out something I was told yesterday, that Vermont, Texas, S. Carolina and I think Kansas, were all planning to succeed from the Union. Since the government is no longer “governable”, it’s time to cut the strings or rather tax dollars that support such criminals. Maybe it’s time the states tell the Feds we’re through with the muck and mire, chaos and mayhem, lies and deceptions.

And I think it’s way past time to cut the wasted “Foreign Aid” overseas. Maybe we ought to start a surplus fund for foreign countries,(after we get our budget balanced and our dollar worth a dollar again, instead of 4 cents now !) Make them come fill out an application for a LOAN, from the American People, like the rest of us have to.

Does anyone out there have enough hair in their ass to call the I.R.S. and Representatives and tell them… NO MORE TAXES ! NO MORE PAY CHECKS ! NO MORE BULL SHIT !!! LET ME HEAR IT !!!

VIVA LA 2ND REVOLUTION !

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By Verne Arnold, June 11, 2007 at 10:16 pm Link to this comment

I feel another attack of “Tourettes Syndrome” comming on.  Lieberman’s name has been mentioned again.  That twerp, that vile rodent, that slithering snake, that ooze from under the toe-nails, that, that…ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Please, don’t make the “straight-jacket too tight.

When is this nightmare going to end????

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By Verne Arnold, June 11, 2007 at 10:16 pm Link to this comment

I feel another attack of “Tourettes Syndrome” comming on.  Lieberman’s name has been mentioned again.  That twerp, that vile rodent, that slithering snake, that ooze from under the toe-nails, that, that…ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Please don’t make the “straight-jacket too tight.

When is this nightmare going to end????

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By cyrena, June 11, 2007 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

But Leefeller, this is no “reversion” back to slime. When you’re slimy, you’re just slimy. Although, I have to admit there has to have been something that came to scare the living bejesus out of him. (Cheney, Rove?) I’m not sure.

I just know he hasn’t voted for ANYTHING right in the past several years. Like, ever since he and Al Gore won the election in 2000. Maybe he sold it to George back then, without telling Gore or any of the rest of us.

Who knows. Anything is possible.

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By 911truthdotorg, June 11, 2007 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

Is anyone really surprised?

The scooter pardon will happen soon.

The bush crime family will all enter hell together.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By DennisD, June 11, 2007 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment
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Congress - either impeach the scumbags or go back to being the irrelevant, useless lemmings we all know you are. The Bu$h dictatorship is alive and well. Our Republic is not.

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By Chaseme, June 11, 2007 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment
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Is it necessary to vote on this issue?

Just tell the truth and send Gonzales packing. Later, we can read his rendition of what happen in his new book, ‘The bush Family Drugs and The Things You Do and Say TO Have Them’.-Alberto Gonzales

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By cyrena, June 11, 2007 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

This quote from the liked article (AP via Yahoo) pretty much explains why Congress (at least the Republican side) has been mute for the past decade or so. Political retaliation/retribution. It’s amazing that Specter said it himself…

“.....Specter voted to move the resolution forward, but he said many of his GOP colleagues would not because they feared political retribution.”

I guess these republican colleagues of his don’t want their names showing up on any of the domestic rendition lists. A vote in favor of this, (to continue the debate) might just land them in yet another torture facility that we don’t even know about yet.

So, this is “rule by intimidation and oppression”. Whatever works. It worked for Saddam for over 30 years.

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By Leefeller, June 11, 2007 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

It may be safe to say that Joe Lieberman is living proof of evolution, that some humans can revert back to slime.

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