75130 by BobZ on 6/03 at 7:00 pm

“Liebermann ....hard to believe he once ran on the Democratic ticket as VP. He and Gore could not be further apart.”

You think?
OR
maybe they are not that far apart.

While Al Gore is currently being cannonized by Democrats like he’s the risen lord, it might be good to consider that Lieberman was his choice for VP and just what exactly that says about Al Gore. 

Furthermore, we should also think back to Gore’s Larry King debate with Ross Perot in the late 90’s, where he scoffed at and ridiculed Perot’s assertion that NAFTA would be harmful to the American worker - Because of NAFTA, we would all hear the huge sucking sound of American jobs leaving this country, is how I think Perot put it.

#75203, by Verne Arnold.

I’ll consider that a ‘vote of confidence’, cheerio!

#74793 by Tom Doff on 6/02 at 8:16 am

Here! Here!  Well said! 

Say it again...and again...and again...until everybody gets it!

“Don’t forget Iran is made up of mostly Shias, and they are not Arabs”

The Shias in Iran are usually not arab, but the Shia in Iraq are usually arab. Iranian natives are Persian, while Iraqi natives are Arab.  There are many divisions of which westerners are largely unaware, and NO ONE has a clue how this mess will play out.  Thank the British who went into the middle east and worked hard to alienate everyone there, and before leaving sent in their surveyors to mark country lines carving up ancestorial homelands.
Turkey is terrified that the Kurds will succeed with a piece of Iraq and build a “Kurdistan” Turkey has many Kurds in Eastern Turkey. Would they attempt to sever that part of Turkey to join a new nation? 

You are right, it no longer matters why we entered Iraq.  What we have done is destablize the entire middle east.  Remember the store-keepers sign?  “If you break it you own it” Well, dispite my compatriot’s pleas to vacate, my guess is we will have troops in Iraq longer than this presidency or the one after that, no matter who wins.  Furthermore, I would guess that if anyone is still here in 50 years, we’ll still be talking about the Iraqi occupation.

It’s getting harder and harder for people to ignore the elephant in the room: Israel.

The fact is that our soldiers destroyed Iraq for what people like Lieberman believed would be Israel’s strategic benefit.

We can argue about whether the war did in fact turn out to be strategically beneficial to Israel or not, but there is no question that the war’s biggest cheerleaders wanted this war because they believed it would be beneficial to Israel.

For the same reason, our soldiers now have to stay in Iraq forever - both to protect Israel by containing the mess we made for them, and to use Iraq as a base to launch more wars of aggression for Israel. The next victims are of course Iran and Syria. It is impossible not to notice that the same pro-Israel fanatics are once again the biggest cheerleaders.

As for the “war for oil” theory: we didn’t need the oil. Cultivating good relations with oil-producing countries was always and obviously the best and cheapest way to be assured of a reliable oil supply at the best possible price. We are doing exactly the opposite, and the only reason for this self-destructive policy is Israel.

For whatever reason, and by whatever means, it’s clear that people who put Israel first have a stranglehold on US Mideast policy.

We are entering perhaps a rather dangerous (but also hopeful) period in which that realization is starting to dawn on our frustrated and angry soldiers who are stuck in Iraq.

74875 by FrostedFlakes on 6/02 at 4:58 pm

“he manipulated his constiuents from an anti-war state”

I think it is a mistake to label any state that profits from “war economy” to the degree Connecticut does an “anti war” state.  Massachusetts (where I lived during Vietnam) had a loud clamorous anti-war rhetoric, BUT around the 128 loop, where people were more likely to vote the Economy, the folks worked for Hewlit Packard, Raytheon, and Wang. They voted for war candidates and kept quiet about it.  Massachusetts has that liberal reputation, but they had 5 Republican Governors in a row, were the birthplace of the John Birch Society, and Home to Andrew Card, and Margeret Heckler.

“anti war” constituantes in Connecticut were NOT “minipulated” As much as I detest Joe Lieberman, he was honest about his position all through the election.  He said the war must be won.  His people agreed.

We’re in Iraq now, so Iran won’t be there.  Forget about what got us there in the first place, (Since there was hardly a peep out of ANYONE when we went in there in the first place), and lets concentrate on why we’re there and how we get out.

Don’t forget Iran is made up of mostly Shias, and they are not Arabs.  Saudi Arabia is made up of mostly Sunnis and are Arabs.  If the balance of power in the region changes, it can mean a lot more than who controls the oil.

Fundamentalists are working hard to destabilize governments throughout the middle east.  Advanced weaponry used in southern Lebanon by Hezbollah was shown to be acquired by Iran and Syria.

Now Iran is working on a supposed Nuclear Power Plant.  This isn’t some hidden WMD, this is a real Power Plant and they are working on enriching Uranium.

We need to think about a real plan, and that means more than a quick removal of troops.

How do you provide deterrence against people who are so willing to die in the name of religion?  Once Iran gets a weapon, and then passes it off to some rogue terror group, what will stop them?

We need to ask ourselves why is the world asleep?

Joe Lie-berman is a zionist zealot funded by the AIPAC. In his eyes anything with any significant benefit to Israel is the right thing to do. Just think, this guy ran for president the same time as Bush. Had he won we may be further entrenched in the Middle East than we are now. Also, look how smoothly he manipulated his constiuents from an anti-war state to get re-elected. This guy will do and say anything to satisfy his agenda.

Whooooaaa!!!

Now the US Troops are Anti-Semitic for wanting to go home to their loved ones?  What will Halliburton KBR/Bectel/Blackwater do without grunts to help them make their billions, steal the Oil and build giant military bases in Iraq?

Maybe Lieberman considers them treasonous for not wanting to fight this proxy war for Israel?
What is the world coming to if US Soldiers start to THINK, heaven forbid.

Poor Lieberman.  If he had the GUTS and Integrity of CHUCK HAGEL he might not have been so easily bought by AIPAC.

I just wish more Jewish Americans would speak out against this Neocon/AIPAC/PNAC/Likud/Comb-Over/Oily-Richard-Perle/Profit eering inspired Iraq War. 

I know how much power AIPAC has in destroying careers and reputations of anyone who dares to question the wisdom of a blindly Pro-Likud agenda.  They have effectively removed congressmen who don’t want to be AIPAC’s Bitch.  Palestinians deserve criticism where warranted, by all means.  That doesn’t mean one should give a blank cheque to right wing thugs in Israeli society.  (Or Right Wing Israelis who pretend to be Americans, for that matter.)

Gentiles get called Anti-Semitic for daring to think independently.  Even the Four Star Marine, General Anthony Zinni was called Anti Semitic for using the word “Neocon”.  That is so pathetic.

Well you can “cry wolf” once too often with that Anti-Semitic charge.  I just hope good Americans of Jewish background speak out against AIPAC too, despite their power in American Political Culture.  Becasue AIPAC’s only agenda is for the cynical benifit of a rich Straussian cabal.

Why is it, they all have heavy investments in the Weapons and Oil Industry, I wonder?

The other link that should be broken is with the psychotic Christian Zionists who are backing AIPAC to the hilt.  No good will come of it.  Especially for Israel.

Does Lieberman have an agenda, or is he just another stupid, gullible American, seduced by false patriotism?

Why all this pussy-footing, stuggling-to-be PC language, evasions, indirection?

Lieberman is a tool, an agent, of the Nation of Israel, one of many who’s mantra is ‘Israel Uber Alles’, He, and his ‘neocon’, AIPAC-supported, zionist buddies, were the major instigators, and are the major current supporters, of the Iraq debacle. It helped a great deal that their purpose dovetailed so perfectly with Cheney’s and Bush’s buddies in the ‘oil bidness’ desire to protect their ‘god-given’ right to financially rape the citizens of the US and the world, for which they needed assurance of future supplies of crude, which they secured in ‘secret’ White House meeting before the Iraq war even started,
It didn’t hurt that both of these things fit in well with The Dummy’s cowboy attitude about ‘That Saddam, he tried to kill my daddy’.

So began, and continues, the horrific saga of mendacity, hypocrisy, greed, murder, assassination, betrayal of the US public and the US Constitution, slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocents, the spectacle of countless ‘high-ranking government officials’, who ‘don’t know nothing’, and ‘can’t remember nothing’, ‘lead’ by a Dummy with an aversion to truth, and a hot line to ‘god’.

In case you missed the point, the purpose of the Iraq war is to protect Israel, protect the profits of and provide US oil companies with future supplies of crude, enrich all ‘FOTA’ (Friends Of The Administration), and satisfy the psychodreams of The Dummy.

Joe Lieberman is just another Israel first neo-con like Wolfowitz and Richard Perle. And he really is not that far out of the step with the right wing Democratic power structure

The big problem with the Democrats is that Zionist sources account for half their funding, and corporate America much of the balance.  They grovel before AIPAC’s every demand even though most of their base is anti-war.

Note the main Democratic objection to the war is NOT that it is wrong but that Bush is losing it.

To expect this bunch of Bush-lite crooks and liars to take on the Bushies, plutocrats, and warmongers in a serious way is the height of self delusion.

Hey Joe!!  What I want to know is; did you go there as a representative of the people of the United States of America or as a representative of the people of Israel??

“If someone has a real insight into why he is supporting this war I would love to hear.”

That’s obvious.... You have made a mistake. You thought he was the “Senator from Connecticut” when in actually he’s the Senator from Israel.

....and unfortunately for the rest of us, he’ll be “Senator” as long as he wants..

You may also be mistaken about Connecticut being an anti-war State They make BIG BIG money at Eletric Boat!

Lieberman is on the AIPAC payroll. 

Naturally, he has to please his Godfathers who lobbied for this Iraq mess. 

Though I don’t believe hidden MOSSAD agents are taking sniper shots at US Soldiers and Marines to infuriate them; I do believe Likud are rubbing their hands in glee they can manipulate America so efficiently, through AIPAC.

Well, naturally Ol’ man Joe, the Zionist Zealot, won’t do anything Israel doesn’t want, namely having the troops leave Iraq

Joe Lieberman may be the biggest moron this side of George Bush.Knowing his history and anti war stance in the Viet Nam times makes one wonder about Joe Lieberman’s motives in supporting this war.He is not a war hero republican like Mccain nor is he being boxed into a corner like the republicans who are supporting this war.He comes from an anti war state and there are no facts to support his alleged motives for supporting this war.If someone has a real insight into why he is supporting this war I would love to hear.I do not think he is in favor of this war just because he thinks it helps Israel but I cannot figure out his intense support for this moronic war.

Lieberman and reality - my oxymoron list just keeps on growing. If Joe “really” wants to experience Iraq he should just stay for a year to get the full smell of the desert shit hole he helped create. 
Joe, see how much “progress” you see when your biggest concern every f**king day is will this day be my last on earth. All these chicken hawk pro-war scumbag Senators and Congressmen should have been rotating along with the troops. This war would’ve been over years ago, if it ever happened at all. Believe me a change in latitude for these scumbags would create an instant change in attitude.

If our troops want to give Joe a real reality check, they should paint a portrait of Muhammed, wearing a six-pointed star and a beanie, on the back of Lieberman’s flak jacket, before they give him the ‘Tour of Baghdad’.

Adios, Jose.

As my favorite Uncle Jack would say:

‘Lieberman!? JOE!!?? REALITY!!!???REALITY!!!???

JOE CAN’T HANDLE NO REALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!’