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Americans Back Immigration Proposals

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Posted on May 25, 2007

While opposition in Washington to the new immigration bill spans the political spectrum, the major proposals of the legislation find widespread support among the American people, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll. A majority of Republicans, Democrats and independents say they support reforms to the immigration system, including the eventual legalization of immigrants and a guest worker program.

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As opponents from the right and left challenge an immigration bill before Congress, there is broad support among Americans—Democrats, Republicans and independents alike—for the major provisions in the legislation, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Taking a pragmatic view on a divisive issue, a large majority of Americans want to change the immigration laws to allow illegal immigrants to gain legal status and to create a new guest worker program to meet future labor demands, the poll found.

At the same time, Americans have mixed feelings about whether the recent wave of immigration has been beneficial to the country, the survey found, and they are sharply divided over how open the United States should be to future immigrants.

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By Jim Goodson, June 1, 2007 at 7:21 pm #
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They pulled this poll out from under a rock. If the American Citizens fall for this stupid lie. then they deserve to kiss Bush and Cheney,s ass. This is pure garbage, the kind Mussolini used when he took over Italy.

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By chabuka, May 28, 2007 at 9:34 pm #
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I think you are full of s**t...the only “americans” I know who are for “reform” of immigration (amnesty or unlimited work visas) are the lawbreakers that jumped the fence..all the people I talk to in daily conversations, on the web and in e-mail....the ones who do speak english..say NO. We say just get serious about the laws we all ready have...like cracking down on employers who hire these undocumented workers, and prosecute those who steal Social Security numbers, falsify records, and those who except those stolen, falsified records...(don’t tell me its impossible to falsify records, I was born in this country, my parents were born here, my grandparents...back about 17 generations and when the social security tried to deny me my social security replacement card because after my divorce I had a hyphenated last name (my maiden name hyphen married name) maiden as on my birth certificate, and my divorce papers in hand (married name)(she spoke broken English..NO, I am not kidding) for crying out loud!!!  ..we don’t need no stinking immigration reform...just the laws we all ready have, taken seriously.

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By Toby, May 28, 2007 at 1:53 pm #
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Geez!

I guess I must be the only living citizen of the United States who is descended from alien emigrants!

I had absolutely no idea that 99.99.99% of the citizens in the US were Native Americans!

No wonder you all want so badly to go after those aliens and beat-em-up, lock-em-up or ship-em-out.

I’d probably feel the same way if I was a member of the great Nations of the native people who had everything taken from them by emigrants.

Actually I wouldn’t and neither do they.
They are a remarkably forgiving, accepting and loyal people.
To bad some of their goodness can’t rub off on the rest of our “civilized” society.

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By grob, May 28, 2007 at 10:49 am #

If this bill is supported by the majority of progressives and the majority of the American people, then why aren’t they posting to these blogs.  Are we all right wing racists and xenophobes pretending to be progressives worried about the effects of immigration on income inequality within the country?

So far the leading Democratic candidates for president, Clinton, Obama, and Edwards, are falling in line behind congressional leaders who are falling in line behind Bush who is in line behind corporate executives and lobbies who are supporting Amnesty but refuse to call it that. 

I have a rule of thumb for cutting through the political BS surrounding the immigration bill.  If someone refuses to call it Amnesty, then they’re for Amnesty.  If they call it Amnesty, then they’re against Amnesty. 

Several Republican candidates have come out against Amnesty.  Have any Democratic candidates for president come out against it?  If one were to, I would certainly support him or her in the primary.

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By Abram, May 27, 2007 at 8:53 pm #
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The New York Times/CBS News Poll is a LIE! The American people are being betrayed and they are waking up to this fact! The Citizens of the United States of America have UNITED to make heir voices heard loud and clear...ILLEGALS GO HOME...NO AMNESTY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!!  AND OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAD BETTER DO THE JOBS WE HAVE GIVEN THEM TO DO AND REPRESENT US THIS WAY WITH THEIR (OUR) VOTE!!  This Memorial Day REMEMBER the AMERICAN lives, the blood, that have been spent since our country was founded to safeguard American freedoms and rights, our borders and safety from foreign invasion...the “representatives” We have representing us today are promoting and allowing an invasion of an ILLEGAL, foreign people, giving them incentives that Americans don’t get!!  OUTRAGE!  THIS IS OUR COUNTRY..OUR GOVERNMENT..OUR MONEY..WE CALL THE SHOTS...DO HAS WE HAVE DEMANDED!!  Our “full of integreity, honest and transparent lawmakers/representatives” are going against the very rule of law they claim when they need to defend their war crimes.  SECURE OUR PORTS AND BORDERS!!ENFORCE OUR RULE OF LAW AGAINST THE ILLEGAL ENTRY INTO OUR COUNTRY OF UNDOCUMENTED PERSONS FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD IF THE “WAR ON TERROR” WASN’T A MANUFACTURED 9/11 FARCE!!

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By P. T., May 26, 2007 at 9:43 pm #

If the U.S. had a “shortage” of low-wage labor, the monetary gap between the people at the top and those at the bottom would not be getting wider.  The politicians say foolish things on the topic of economics.

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By Louise, May 26, 2007 at 4:08 pm #
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If A majority of Republicans, Democrats and independents support reforms to the immigration system, as in the current proposed legislation, it’s only because they don’t have a clue what’s in it!
And, neither does the Media.

And for SURE our Congress hasn’t got a clue!

Good grief! Haven’t we learned anything in the last ...
how long has Bush been in office?
Seems like a century.

WE surely must know by now, behind everything that has come out of Washington DC under this administration lies a hidden agenda.

A really dirty, evil hidden agenda!

For goodness sake!
Pass this on!

“No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval”
http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs

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By desertdude, May 26, 2007 at 2:53 pm #

Immagration rrform is nothing but AMNESTY. If this bill passes, we will have the Rest of Mexico here, so why not annex Mexico and take the resources they have. Their gov’t dosen’t do anything for the people.

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By Skruff, May 26, 2007 at 5:32 am #
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Well, I’ve done my own poll here at the Whiting (population in the winter 425) Village Store. That’s Eastern Maine, Wahington County NO one here is in favor of this immigration bill.  My poll had two questions.

Are you in favor of allowing people here illegally to become citizens by any method? 27 Nos 100%

Would you vote for a Senator or Representative who supports citizenship, by some method, for people here illegally? 22 no, 2 yes, 3 depends on party.

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By Sally A. Bridges, May 26, 2007 at 2:37 am #
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I think this poll must have been conducted in the Barrio or the pollsters were on hallucinogenics.  I wish I had a subscription to the New York Times, then I could cancel my subscription and tell them that I no longer read fairytales.

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By diablo abogado, May 25, 2007 at 10:18 pm #

Everyone I’ve talked to about the immigration/amnesty bill is against it.  Then again I don’t have rich friends.  If you’re not rich you don’t really benefit from it.  Democrats need campaign contributions from affluent supporters as much as Republicans.  Perhaps that explains their support for it.

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By G. Anderson, May 25, 2007 at 8:22 pm #
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Isn’t it obvious that few other states have been hit has hard as California with illegal immigration.

So of course, American’s, being as generous as they are, feel compelled to help immigrants get a start.

When the first IED goes off in L.A., they will feel differently…

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By DennisD, May 25, 2007 at 7:40 pm #
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Even Congress can’t agree with the immigration reform bill in front of them. Never mind the a imaginary poll these so called journalists try to feed us. The parallel universe theory is alive and well. That’s why newspaper readership continues to die. They have no credibility whatsoever. What the American people really want is their f**king country back.

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By P. T., May 25, 2007 at 6:40 pm #

There’s no such thing as a labor shortage.  According to standard economic theory, if a business is too inefficient to pay prevailing market wages, it should close down rather than squander resources that could be put to better use elsewhere.

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By An American Citizen, May 25, 2007 at 5:24 pm #
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Yeh Sure
Screw the liberal NY Times. They make up polls and tell the American people what they want. They are nothing more than a propaganda tool for businesses. It is nothing but these huge corporations, midsize & small businesses wanting cheap labor so they can increase their profits.
They don’t want to hire American citizens anymore and pay them union wages and supply health benefits and a pension.
Look my fellow Americans, we are in big trouble. Our wages will not be going up and many Americans will lose their jobs once this immigration bill becomes law.
It is time we take back our country and get rid of those politicians who vote “Yes” on this bill.
Is anybody out there who wants to have a mass internet email protest and send it to the President & all of Congress? Our future as another Third World Nation is certain with this continued mass immigration into this country. It must be stopped.

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By nukin, May 25, 2007 at 2:23 pm #
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LIES!

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By louis stroud, May 25, 2007 at 12:01 pm #
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well!, i don’t know which americans you guys were talking to, nor do i know how the question was worded, but the americans i talk to don’t think anything like what you are saying, in fact it is just the opposite, get in line, folks there is room for all the folks that do it legally, period.

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By Gary Moya, May 25, 2007 at 10:40 am #
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Who the heck are they polling?  Clients at immigration law clinics?  Almost everyone I know - at work and in my neighborhood - is disgusted by any offer of amnesty to illegal immigrants.  And I live in a Los Angeles area community that is almost 70% Latino!  Are they polling hermits living in caves in northern Montana?

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By Milton Banana, May 25, 2007 at 9:53 am #
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Hilarious propaganda! Can’t wait for the NYT along with the rest of the MSM to die. They are not long for this world.

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By LonewackoDotCom, May 25, 2007 at 9:31 am #

It’s always recommended to read the actual poll questions rather than taking the NYT’s word for it. Oddly enough, things get a lot more complicated when you do that, and you realize that the NYT is misleading you.

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By DonklePundit, May 25, 2007 at 9:03 am #
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I call B.S.  No one I have spoken to on this issue, outside of D.C., believes we should be taking any action of these issues until we have secured the border. 

B.S. on NYT/CBS !

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By Skruff, May 25, 2007 at 7:39 am #
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WHAT POLL??

If this doesn’t take the cake. 

I can’t find ANYONE who agrees with the “immigration reform legislation” now before congress. 

Who agrees that ILLEGAL immigrants should be allowed to cut in front of folks waiting for legal visas? who agrees that the corporate hacks, who own our congress, should get their cheap labor to undermine any further gains needed by people at the bottom of our ladder?

The mail to congress has been running 9 to one against this legislation/.

The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal have long supported amnstey for the 12 to 20 million illegals in the US.  Big surprise they finally found the right neighborhood to poll.  What did they take this survey in Scarsdale?

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By John Campbell, May 25, 2007 at 6:35 am #
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A New York Times/CBS News poll? You must be joking. Its a liberal controlled open border amnesty poll. Its about as accurate as George Bush.

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By s, May 25, 2007 at 5:45 am #
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The article is misleading all the readers of the New York Times and should be exposed.

There are errors and assumptions made by the author.

Please look for yourself.

Please look at the survey (on link called under Related Complete Poll Results on web article http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/us/politics/25cnd-po ll.html?bl&ex=1180152000&en=7069c3908c55a07d&ei =5087
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conducted by the New York Times by JULIA PRESTON titled “Majority Favor Changing Immigration Laws, Poll Says” on May 24, 2007.

She starts off by saying “Americans want to change the immigration laws to allow illegal immigrants to gain legal status,”

Later she states “Two-thirds of those polled say illegal immigrants who have a clean employment record and no criminal history should gain legal status as the bill proposes: by paying at least $5,000 in fines and fees and receiving a renewable four-year visa.” She also claimed that Republican, Democratic, and Independent answered this question similarly. 

She and the poll just assume the people understand that this four-year visa she proposes allows an option of legal status.  The poll question she is referring to that asks this question does not mention whether or not they should gain permanent legal status, as I believe this article implies.

63. Would you favor or oppose allowing illegal immigrants who came into the country before January to apply for a four-year visa that could be renewed, as long as they pay a $5,000 fine, a fee, show a clean work record and pass a criminal background check?

67% Favor 24% Oppose

She also didn’t mention question 74 of the survey in her article.

74. Should illegal immigrants be prosecuted and deported for being in the U.S. illegally, or shouldn’t they?”

69% say they should be prosecuted and deported,
24% say they should not be prosecuted and deported.

The only question asked to all those in the survey of whether they should allow illegals to become legal is question 61, referring to last years legislation and it did not have a 2/3 approval rating as she states.

61. If you had to choose, what do you think should happen to most illegal immigrants who have lived and worked in the United States for at least two years: They should be given a chance to keep their jobs and eventually apply for legal status; OR They should be deported back to their native country? 

Other notables:

Question 49 asks completely rebuild, fundamental changes, or minor changes to immigration policy?

Completely Rebuild 49%
Fundamental changes 41%
Minor changes (as this bill would do) 8%

48. How much have you heard or read about changing the laws regarding immigration in the United States — a lot, some, not much, or nothing at all?

26% a lot, 51% some

Another question answered said 70% think illegal immigrants weaken the economy.

80. If you had to choose, in order to reduce illegal immigration from Mexico, would you prefer increasing trade with Mexico or negotiating with the Mexican government to improve security on their side of the border?

68% improving security

Please look for yourself.

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