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Democrats Cave on Timetable

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Posted on May 22, 2007

The Democratic leadership in Congress is close to a deal with the White House to provide funding for the war without a timetable for withdrawal. The legislation will include benchmarks for U.S. aid, close to $8 billion in domestic spending and a minimum-wage increase, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has indicated that she cannot bring herself to vote for a bill that doesn’t set a withdrawal date for U.S. troops.


AP via Yahoo!:

WASHINGTON - Flinching in the face of a veto threat, Democratic congressional leaders neared agreement with Bush administration Tuesday on legislation to pay for the Iraq war without a troop withdrawal timeline.

Several officials said the emerging $120 billion compromise would include as much as $8 billion for Democratic domestic priorities—originally resisted by the White House—such as disaster relief for Hurricane Katrina victims and farmers hurt by drought.

After a bruising veto struggle in which Bush vetoed one Democratic-drafted measure and threatened to reject another, congressional leaders in both political parties said they hoped the compromise would be cleared for
President Bush’s signature by Friday.

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By Profull Gupta, July 16, 2008 at 8:38 pm #
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I have been trying to contact Nancy Polisi an elected member from California . And , there is very little way to contact this most idoitic speaker of the house . Disgraceful ! Do nothing ! Please ask this person to go back home .....may be Texas ...not California . What are they ways can we get this person out of congress ?

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By Nitro, May 24, 2007 at 2:11 am #

Hey Verne (#71922), You are more right than rain sir. “Revolution does come from the people!” And I hate to disagree with you on one subject… We’re not ALL on that bus speeding out of control getting ready to go over the cliff.

Some of US PATRIOTIC AMERICANS, are in another vehicle headed over the mountains and through the woods to do the dirty job NO ONE at Capitol Hill wants to do.

If the House Judiciary Committee won’t do the job, if the Democratic controlled Congress won’t do the job,(after they boasted they would), if the World Bank wants to keep writing the checks for King Bushit to keep his tyranny going, I’m sick of watching my tax dollars going to such waste! And since the Federal Reserve System is not only Unconstitutional, but the real pit and down fall of most of this country’s economic issues, isn’t everyone tired of paying interest on your own money in the first place?

Didn’t anyone else see the show on Democracy Now the other night about how the American Dollar is only worth 4 cents now? What the…

Ya’ll just keep them busy with all the Impeachment Petitions and phone calls, while the TRUE PATRIOTIC AMERICANS fire the 2nd shot heard around the world. Isn’t that the only way America can regain the worlds confidence and trust again? To rid our government of the rediculous excuse for leaders and human beings we have there now?

To a Better Day…

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By DennisD, May 24, 2007 at 12:14 am #
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Just remember - anytime politicians announce that they’ve made a “deal”, it’s the American public that’s been dealt out. That’s D.C. Poker 101.

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By cann4ing, May 23, 2007 at 8:31 pm #

Rodney, you need to distinguish between the progressive and corporate wings of the Democratic Party rather than placing them all in the same category.  There will be a massive number of primaries come February next year.  If you feel as you say you do, support only those Democrats who have consistently opposed this war.  The only Democratic candidate who has demonstrated consistent opposition to the war, who refuses to fund the war and who consistently represents the interests of the vast majority of the electorate—the middle and working classes—is Dennis Kucinich.

But don’t take my word for it.  Go to Kucinich.us and see for yourself.

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By Leefeller, May 23, 2007 at 8:11 pm #

johnjj on 5/23 at 2:09 pm Why is it that the Democrats are not siding with Dennis Kucinicih, , Mike Gravel or the Republican Paul? 

Money and politics, it has nothing to do with what is right for the nation, the people or the world. They are keeping their jobs according to the rules of politics, nothing more. 

The Democrats should be supporting Dennis Kucinich’s program and getting it out to the non informed.  No way, because they are obligated to the Money Boys.

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By rodney, May 23, 2007 at 6:28 pm #
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I am a lifetime democrat and will always vote democrat. But they have lost my money. I’m looking for morality not politics and the democrats refuse to stop Bushes illegal immoral unethical war. We are losing a hundred soldiers a month. That’s the real slow bleed. Instead of sending the same bill over and over again until Bush signs it,they caved in. Bush doesn’t care about the loss of life. His only concern is about his already failed legacy. The democrats are only looking to win the next round as we all know that American casualties will continue mount. When will someone start showing real concern for the soldiers by getting them out of this unwinnable quamire of hell that Bush put them in?

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By jjohnjj, May 23, 2007 at 6:09 pm #
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Republicans in the House and Senate are marching in lock-step to the microphones to repeat their rubbish about keeping a “surrender date” out of the war spending bill.

News organizations are dutifully repeating their lies and opinion writers are sharpening their pens to urge readers to “stay the course” in newspapers around the country.

And what are “progressives” doing? Fragging their leaders and declaring their intention to “cut and run” from the political arena now and forever.

No wonder Reid and Pelosi flinched. Compared to the conservative “message machine”, the anti-war movement is just too flakey to be counted on in a fight.

Before you criticize the Dem leadership. Do something real: Stop paying your federal taxes, Start pressuring your co-workers to oppose the war until your boss tells you to stop. Stand in front of your kid’s school with a large “Bush is a Baby Killer” sign.

Now you’ve got a hint of what life is like for our representatives… Put your livelihood and your reputation on the line for what you believe in - then you can criticize Congress.

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By loveinatub, May 23, 2007 at 6:01 pm #

What I don’t understand is where the HELL was MoveOn. org on this????

I just get an email from them TODAY about calling Rep Pelosi and objecting to her capitulation and that of the democratic party. What about last week? MoveOn really blew it!

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By loveinatub, May 23, 2007 at 2:57 pm #

Yup, I called and left a bitter message for Pelosi. Does she care? Does she have any guts? None that I can see. And she’s the leader of her party? Of her caucus? How many King George W. Bush lackeys does it take to screw a country?  Answer: endless…

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By lawlessone, May 23, 2007 at 2:44 pm #
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A VOCABULARY TEST

Question: What is a synonym for gutless, spineless, fearful, weak-willed cowards?

Answer: Congressional Democrats!

I would call them chickens, but in actuality poultry is far more courageous than most elected Democrats.  Perhaps the Democrats should trade in the jackass and adopt the amoeba as a symbol.

Why the outburst of name calling you ask, particularly when Bush is obviously infinitely worse on all counts?  Well, normally, calling an adult a derogatory name has little effect.  It is, or should be, the old “sticks and stones” response once we are past kindergarten.  But, apparently calling the Congressional Democrats names scares the hell out of them and goads them into action.  Or, in the case of Bush calling them “surrender monkeys” on Iraq, cowers them into inaction.

Perhaps calling the Congressional Democrats names for knuckling under to Bush’s vetoes and not taking the difficult course on getting out of that Middle East fiasco might counterbalance their fear from being falsely labeled as supposedly “not supporting the troops” or the biggest lie of all - “losing Iraq.”

They blow in the wind from blowhards.  Perhaps if the wind blows hard enough the other way, they might finally stand up and stay standing up.

[more irreverence at resistence-is-possible.blogspot.com]

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By think first, May 23, 2007 at 2:42 pm #
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My first gut reaction is to criticize Democratic leadership. But in reality, if the Dems were unified in their opposition to the war and in calls for withdrawal, we’d have the votes and wouldn’t be having this problem. Calling them cowards is the easy way out. Truth is, it’s a little more complicated than that.

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By Linda Sutton, May 23, 2007 at 2:02 pm #

Expecting to stop the carnage, independents put the Democrats in power last time around and will probably be re-considering that in ‘08 in light of their inability to stand up to this occupier of the White House.

Congressional Democrats are deluding themselves if they think they will NOT be slammed back into a minority status.

And what does this mean that Democratic leaders are cutting this deal and Nancy Pelosi, THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER in the House, is voting AGAINST what she’s forged? I really don’t get this part. Maybe it has to do with the overwhelming number of negative calls from constituents…except that staff members now forward all of them to an answering machine!!!
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By loveinatub, May 23, 2007 at 1:49 pm #

Pelosi is a LOSER! Her capitulation with the rest of the Democratic party is PATHETIC!  Congratulations, Pelosi. You’re the first WOMAN HOUSE SPEAKER to stand for NOTHING! It’s obvious the Democratic party will support funding for continued U.S. occupation of Iraq all the way through 2008!

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By michael, May 23, 2007 at 1:31 pm #
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Whats this crap !!!!  we dont have the votes to override a veto????  tell bushy that this is the funding bill and if you dont like it have a republican congressman submitt one without them and see if you can get it passed.  And also we see the democraits true colors now we will give the pres want he wants but tie it to a pork filled bill so now the pres get his deal and the demos get theirs.  AND ONCE AGIAN THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE GETS FORGOTTEN.  I thought that maybe things would change but god help me I was wrong agian.

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By Leefeller, May 23, 2007 at 1:22 pm #

TruthDig posters, for what is worth the following site may help get the word out to the imbicles in Congress. Nancy Polisi is holding out,  last I heard. 

http://www.millionphonemarch.com/no_bush_surrender.php

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By known.un, May 23, 2007 at 1:06 pm #

What a shame… citizens are to unwilling to oppose this regime… and it will be our loss!
Stand up folks before it’s to late.

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By Karen, May 23, 2007 at 1:00 pm #
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While we have been focused on the Iraq War Supplemental Spending bill, the House passed, on May 17th, a $646 Billion FY 2008 Defense Authorization bill. 

Bernie Ward (KCBS) said last night that the Defense Authorization bill included approximately $100 Billion for the Iraq War.  According to Bernie, the Supplemental Spending bill we are debating would cover the cost of the war up to October, after which the already passed Defense Authorization bill would go into effect.  In other words, the Dems have been working to fully fund the Iraq War.

It should be noted that Bush has threatened to veto the Defense Authorization Bill because it includes a provision requiring the Pentagon to “buy American” and it also gives soldiers a 3.5% pay raise.  (Being a cynic, I suspect that the hoopla about Bush’s threatened veto was just a smoke screen to hide the fact that the bill included full funding for the Iraq war.)

To reiterate, if Bernie is correct and the already passed Defense Authorization bill includes funding for the Iraq War, then House Dems have already sold out the voters.

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By ldog25, May 23, 2007 at 12:33 pm #

The reality is that it’s not the fault of the Democrats, but that Congress doesn’t have enough of them to override a presidential veto - which means that you CAN’T enforce a timetable without a 2/3 majority against a irrational president.

Of course, there’s still one thing that people forget - they might offer this legislation for a vote, but if people follow Pelosi’s lead, they DON’T HAVE TO VOTE TO PASS IT!  It hasn’t gone to a floor vote yet, so call your representatives and tell them to stick with their original votes - don’t pull a Kerry & vote against it before you vote for it!

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By Matt, May 23, 2007 at 12:17 pm #
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The Democrats will not get us out of Iraq because the Israelis don’t want us to get out of Iraq. We destroyed Iraq for them, and now we have to contain the mess we made for them. Forever. It’s that simple.

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By cann4ing, May 23, 2007 at 11:31 am #

Like everything else the corporate wing of the Democratic Party does, their willingness to cave-in on Iraq reflects their desire to get their grubby mits on the campaign contributions that flow from the military-industrial complex and the oil industry.  Those contributions will provide billions to feed the conglomerated media noise machine, purchasing air time for political ads that deceptively promise change when, in reality, they intend only to pay lip service to change, while they bring us more of the same.  Their pitch to the corporatocracy is why waste your money on Republicans whom a majority of Americans now despise when you can get the same result by investing in pseudo-Democratic candidates who pretend to befriend the middle and working classes as they quietly stab them in the back.

As long as We the People continue to buy into this by delivering our votes to the packaged commodities (aka “leading” or “electable” candidates)—Hillary Clinton, formerly on the Wal-Mart board, Barack Obama whose wife served on the Wal-Mart board—it won’t matter that polls show that an overwhelming majority of Americans favor immediate withdrawal from Iraq.  These charletons see the American electorate as simply gullible consumers who can be easily misled about a candidate so long as the conglomerated corporate media fulfills its role of marginalizing those few candidates (Kucinich, Gravel) who speak truth to power by evading so much as a mention of them and limiting “coverage” to polling data and the price of a candidate’s hair cut.

We progressives can bitch and moan all we want.  It won’t amount to anything unless and until we are able to reach out to a vast swath of the American electorate, convince them of their duty to abandon passive consumerism for active citizenship and provide them with access to the wealth of information available only on alternative media, at Truthdig and especially at Democracy Now.org.

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By Howard Mandel, May 23, 2007 at 11:26 am #
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I’m tired of the triangulation games. “Accountability in Iraq” is the new position that the dems claim the people voted for. Show me the poll that says that. The polls I read indicated the people want an “end to the Iraq war” and “accountability in Washington”. See how those cowardly democrats have created this new fantasy position. This crap they’re pulling is not a compromise. It’s defeat, pure and simple. I have voted for a democrat every election my whole life. But an independent Hagel/Bloomberg ticket is looking really, really attractive.

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By gary weiner, May 23, 2007 at 11:07 am #
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wow. zionists and gay lovers. what a group signs on here. let’s see: what would it mean if the dems didn’t cave? it becomes their war? one of the saddest things that came out of my time in the 60s and 70s was the enduring cynicism and why vote mentality that appears on this page. hey, dems don’t have a majority never mind a veto proof coalition. do you folks have really believe that all of those who go to washington are depraved and lacking in any good faith at all? where is the nuanced thinking in this crowd?

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By Matt, May 23, 2007 at 11:05 am #
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The Democrats are not afraid to displease Big Oil or Bechtel. But they ARE afraid of displeasing Israel.

At a recent AIPAC conference, Nancy Pelosi’s moderately antiwar speech, calling too clearly for a US exit from Iraq, was roundly booed by the assembled pro-Israel lobbyists. Israeli leader Olmert also warned the US Congress not to do anything to restrain Bush from “doing something about” Iran.

Pelosi got the message. Right after this scolding from the Israel lobby, she struck from the troop funding bill a provision requiring Bush to get congressional approval before starting a new war against Iran.

And the Democratic “leadership,” tightly yoked to the Israeli harness, has also carefully made sure that any supposedly “antiwar” legislation that comes to a vote never actually requires an end to the occupation of Iraq - ever.

The dems are doing this not to please the oil lobby or the military/security industry lobby. They are certainly not doing it to please the voters. They are doing this to avoid the wrath of Israel, period.

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By David, May 23, 2007 at 10:53 am #
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I emplore every Democratic voter to vote for Dennis Kucinich for president and a third party candidate in Congress.  Kucinich is the only Democrat with a shade of balls and morality, and not to mention, comprehensive plans to change the disasterous course this country is on.  This surrender is shameful, embarrassing, and disgusting. Voting third party will at least send a message to these worms.

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By Jim Yell, May 23, 2007 at 9:52 am #
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In case no one has noticed our political system has devolved into a two party system, which increasingly makes real opposition impossible. Still to preserve our right to be indignant we must vote and if it means holding our noses while we vote Democratic than that is for now all we can do.

Bush/Cheney is the fruit of a long term effort by the Republican party to destroy any vestige of Democracy in this country. To put all the power in the investment and corporate hands, which if that meant the smartist and wisest of Americans, it might not be so bad, but face it Bush is stupid and Cheney is a narcisstic and evil man and their advocates are all greedy control freaks with no respect for other peoples rights and the needs of society.

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By Sang Ze, May 23, 2007 at 9:44 am #
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Once again the Democrats have demonstrated that they are incapable of leadership. This is why a Democrat cannot be elected to the presidency, and why they should be tossed out of the congress. They lied to their constituents to get into office. How can they ever be trusted to serve the people. They have blood on their hands. It’s time to clean house.

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By Verne Arnold, May 23, 2007 at 8:35 am #

If you think the democrats winning signaled a revolution…you are wrong. 

Revolution does not, does not, come from politicians; it comes from the people…scary thought, especially at this time…the people are asleep at the wheel, of a speeding bus, headed for a cliff!  The worst part is “WE” are all on that bus!!!

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By Crimson Ghost, May 23, 2007 at 8:13 am #
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How can a Democratic Party which depends on Zionist Jews for 50% of its funding ever be a force for peace in the Mideast?

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By Marjorie L. Swanson, May 23, 2007 at 7:48 am #

Republicans are evil greedy bastards and Democrats are evil cowardly bastards. So why do the few of us that do bother to vote, bother to vote? The best solution for the country would be to scrap Washington D.C. down to bedrock and start over with a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Unlike what we’ve got.

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By vonwegen, May 23, 2007 at 3:21 am #
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Democrats of Congress - you WILL pay for this betrayal. We voted you in, and we WILL vote you OUT.

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By John Lowell, May 23, 2007 at 2:23 am #
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Is anyone really surprized by these developments? Anyone with half a brain would have known well in advance that the Democrats haven’t the substance to produce principled opposition to the war. They are interested solely in securing power for themselves so that beyond 2008 it will be their turn at the trough. That and nothing else. What entertains most at liberal, gay promoting, Christian hating sites like this one, is the party loyalty of the true believer that criticizes fundamentalists for their supposedly “mindless” support for Bush and the Republicans. At least dispensationalist, John Hagee is getting something for his trouble: a Regime which prioritizes Israeli national interests over its own and an open-ended war on Islam. Today we read Amy Goodman about Democratic perfidy on free trade. Wanna bet she votes straight Democrat in the next election? And so too will most of the schmoes here as well. Rather than support a principled independent like Nader, they’ll actually gripe about how he somehow owed the Democrats the votes he received in 2000! Such people make someone like Rush Limbaugh look positively reflective.

John Lowell

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By Leefeller, May 23, 2007 at 12:52 am #

Hopefully the Democrats have something up their sleeves besides money from big business.  Is impeachment still not on the table?  Are we still in Iraq?

Mike Gravel is correct when he says anyone who was in Congress, I mean anyone who voted to go into Iraq should be fired, they did not do their homework or their job. , (I will not use the Lemmings over the cliff rhetoric here) The lie to go to war in Iraq only took common sense to avoid. 

Was Congress a linch mob with a rope in their hands. They reminds me of the mob in the “Ox Bow Incident” A story about a mob who hangs the wrong man.

Why is it that we simpletons on the street were smart enough to be against the war?  I said it then and I say it now, “Here goes Vietnam all over again” 

Congress jumped on the flag waving go to war wagon like they were afraid they would be left behind?  Of course,  they were sold a bill of goods built on lies and at the time most were Republicans.  Maybe I missed it, but did the Democrats stand up and fight?  Far as I am aware, Dennis Kuchinich, was the only person that got it right and look how the media treats him, as a non candidate. 

Republicans are far worse in their treatment of Paul.  Mass media with an agenda.treats Paul like he is an idiot from another planet. 

So you optimists keep believing the Democrats have some voodoo magic working in the back rooms.  Just in case you are wrong, I am firing up the old “Who Gives A Damn About Apathy” bumper sticker.

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By 911truthdotorg, May 23, 2007 at 12:17 am #

The democrats are pathetic cowards.

On Nov 9, 2006 when they took the “stick” of impeachment away from the criminal-in-chief,
I changed from a lifelong democrat to Independent.

The only three candidates running who could save us are Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel.

Any of the other hacks will just be more of the same and we are doomed.

Google videos: 9/11 Press of Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By Brendan Gilmartin, May 22, 2007 at 11:58 pm #
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wow you know madmen are only able to continue their rampages when good men or in this case mediocre men and women do nothing.

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By Prissy, May 22, 2007 at 11:09 pm #

Boy oh boy, they have really angered the military families with this vote.  Democrats who love the status quo are why I am an Independent.  Cannot be trusted, even when their very democracy is at stake. Nancy Pelosi should have known better.

We should call, email and visit them regularly to remind them to do their job.

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By Greg, May 22, 2007 at 11:05 pm #
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Sellouts. Cowards. Spineless. What kind of leadership is this? The dems expect to win the wwhite house in 2008, yet not a single democrat has aany idea about how to be a leader! It’s looking like the 2006 election was a waste of time….nothing has changed!

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By DennisD, May 22, 2007 at 10:37 pm #
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Who didn’t see this coming. Unenforceable bench marks, what a farce. Just keep those dollars coming baby! Once again the voter gets to bend over and assume the position.
We’ve got the best government money can buy and they prove it every day in every way. Time to take that well “earned” Memorial Day vacation. 
Congratulations Congress on a job well done! - signed Haliburton et al.

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By THOMAS BILLIS, May 22, 2007 at 10:20 pm #
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Democrats wonder why they lose elections and then procede to cave on a conflict that 70% of the American people are against and a Pres with a 30% approval rating.
What are they waiting for the Pres to get pancreatitis ala John Ashcroft and sneak into his hospital room in the dead of nite and get him to sign an agreement that has significant bench marks.
Please the parents and wives and children of the people who will die in Iraq until September or until the Democrats get balls do not blame the democrats they are just jockeying to win in 08.Your kids are just pawns.Do not feel bad the same thing happened in Viet Nam.We got the same deal in 75 we could have gotten in in 69 but like the democrats of today supporting the troops means big funerals.Anything to keep ownership of the war in Bush’s hands until 08.Then you will hear the reasons that we cannot pull then either.Either the war is wrong or right.If the democrats believe it is wrong have the balls to stand up for these kids that we have put in this horrible situation.There is something more important than winning elections it is these kids lives and well being.

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By viva, May 22, 2007 at 10:19 pm #
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This show both DEM and REP are control by same master and that is Zionist Jews.
Iraq war or any US war in Middle East is serving the Israeli interest.
The U.S is occupied country by Zionist, Media, House of Representative and Senate is control by Israeli lobby.
None of these representatives or senators would be elected without Israeli lobby blessing.

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By Tom Doff, May 22, 2007 at 9:58 pm #
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Obviously, we need an alternative to both the republican and democrat parties. Unless a sane third party alternative appears, what’s the point of voting?

Not only are the democrats offering our madman president another blank check to continue his insane depredations in Iraq, he’s going to expand his ‘covert’ Iran ‘regime change’ program.

Is it the air or the water in D.C. that drives everyone insane? Or the mendacity and struggle for personal gain?

Perhaps we should move the Capitol offshore, or outsource it to Tibet. Replacing the crazy christian fundamentalist evangelicals, and ‘god’-directed AIPAC ‘Israel Uber Alles’ lobbyist-bribers, with Buddhists, would be a good first step toward sanity.

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By James, May 22, 2007 at 9:52 pm #
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Wow.  After all that talk about a new mandate from the voters with the change of power in Congress, it’s basically come down to this.  More of the same.  More of the same.  Remind me why Democrats call themselves a different name from the Republicans?

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