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CNN’s Martin Defends Ron Paul

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Posted on May 18, 2007

Rudy Giuliani was widely praised for his demagogic smackdown of Ron Paul during the second Republican debate, feigning shock and outrage at Paul’s explanation of “blowback.” But Giuliani’s performance, while a crowd-pleaser, exposed his terror-fighting credentials as a farce. As CNN’s Roland Martin writes: “Giuliani must be an idiot to not have heard Paul’s rationale before. That issue has been raised countless times in the last six years by any number of experts.”

CNN:

After watching all the network pundits laud Giuliani, it struck me that they must be the most clueless folks in the world.

First, Giuliani must be an idiot to not have heard Paul’s rationale before. That issue has been raised countless times in the last six years by any number of experts.

Second, when we finish with our emotional response, it would behoove us to actually think about what Paul said and make the effort to understand his rationale.

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By Bill Blackolive, May 26, 2007 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Martin, Hello, I like you on TV.  At patriotsquestion911.com/media, many of these folks, like Scheer, and Ron Paul, remark there is this government coverup.  This is correct that I said.  Others, like Cynthia McKinney, have been bolder.  Meantime let us begin with gov. coverup. Thank you.

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By Bukko in Australia, May 22, 2007 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

Mary, that link you have to the AlterNet story on the embassy in Baghdad is excellent! Everybody should click through and read the piece. It shows how the U.S. government has sunk to the level of King Leopold of the Belgian Congo, who was infamous for chopping the hands off his slave labour.

I knew the embassy was huge. I knew it was obscenely expensive and figured that millions of dollars were being skimmed on corruption and kickbacks. But I never dreamt that workers were being abused like that. No way of telling whether the article is true, but it has the ring of verisimilitude. One has to choose what to believe in this he-said, she-said world, and I think the stories of those supervisors sound credible.

You know who else abuses Filipino workers like that? The Saudis. It’s also what the Egyptian Pharoahs must have done to the Hebrew slaves who built the Pyramids. That’s what the U.S. has become. How disgustingly ironic, or maybe it’s fitting, that the U.S. Embassy, the symbol of America in Iraq, rests on a foundation of cruelty.

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By Mary MacElveen, May 21, 2007 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment
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It was great to hear Roland Martin back up Congressman Ron Paul’s blow-back opinion which is all too true.  I commend him for telling Ben Ferguson that he was the one not willing to listen to history when history supports Paul’s assertions.

As a writer who has written of the blow-back affect on my blog as well as OpEdNews.com it is met with viceral hatred coming from conspiracy theorists.  But, I do stand by my opinion as well.

Here is one column supporting Ron Paul and you can read it by going to this link, http://www.marymacelveen.com/blog/_archives/2007/5/17/2955241.html

Also with our building a $592 million dollar embassy in Baghdad, it is a prime example how that will blow-back in our faces.  Again, I invite you to read this column, http://www.marymacelveen.com/blog/_archives/2007/5/20/2962452.html

Best,
Mary MacElveen!

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By ardee, May 21, 2007 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

re:#71452 by Fixer on 5/21 at 9:45 am

Ron Paul appears to be the only member of that panel with any intelligence. One of the few times I have ever tuned in to Faux news for more than a few painful minutes, I stopped only because I happened to catch him speaking, however it appeared that every time this one intelligent person in the room began to speak he got cut off by some buzzer. Was this “event” put on by Faux and the PNAC or what?
The crowd must have been make up entirely of foxtards. If Hillary has any sense, she might just think about asking him to be running mate, since he doesn’t have a chance of winning the retardicon nomination based on the response from the foxtards. It would be a bold move, but in order for her to win, she will have to do something bold. This might just pick up enough of the middle grounders and fence sitters to make all the difference, not to mention they may work very well together.
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The crowd was in South Carolina, an area that, for the most part, is not at all ready for a Ron Paul, or a Hillary Clinton for that matter, perhaps not even for the twentyfirst century.

Now you understand why the Democratic candidates shunned anything conected to Faux Snooze! It was really worth the watching just to see the ‘deer in the headlights’ looks Paul caused with his very accurate appraisal of the history and the current status of his party.

You might look into Paul’s opinions on social safety nets and our governments role therein before thinking about a cross ticket candidacy. He is, after all, a Libertarian…...

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By Fixer, May 21, 2007 at 10:45 am Link to this comment
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Ron Paul appears to be the only member of that panel with any intelligence. One of the few times I have ever tuned in to Faux news for more than a few painful minutes, I stopped only because I happened to catch him speaking, however it appeared that every time this one intelligent person in the room began to speak he got cut off by some buzzer. Was this “event” put on by Faux and the PNAC or what?
The crowd must have been make up entirely of foxtards. If Hillary has any sense, she might just think about asking him to be running mate, since he doesn’t have a chance of winning the retardicon nomination based on the response from the foxtards. It would be a bold move, but in order for her to win, she will have to do something bold. This might just pick up enough of the middle grounders and fence sitters to make all the difference, not to mention they may work very well together.

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By ardee, May 20, 2007 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment

Lest we forget

While we (accurately) despair the caliber of GOP candidates and Democratic ones as well frankly, while perceptive posters note an almost anti-intellectual bent to the electorate with appeals to testosterone winning out over appeals to rationale and tempered judgements, we should not forget who is to blame.

As Pogo notably lamented in that famous old cartoon, it is us. Democracy is a participatory sport folks and we have opted to allow others to make the decisions and steer the ship of state while we watch television. The only way our democracy can hope to survive, and I believe it to be on its death bed, is to get everyone to reengage in the process, to demand an end to the enormous influence of money in politics and legislation, to end the influence of corporations in our government and to stop the war on the middle class and the migration of money to fewer and fewer.

We are becoming a third world nation, with a tiny few very and obscenely wealthy and the vast majority living on a subsistence level. Perhaps we are so enamored of immediate gratification we have lost the ability to work in incremental stages and work towards long term goals…..I do not know.

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By Kellina, May 20, 2007 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment
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According to WRH, Ron Paul is being targeted by the MSM because he does not supply the requisite support for Israel.

http://www.rense.com/general29/JDLtargetsronpaul.htm

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul335.html

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/07may/article074.html

He doesn’t stand a chance!

p.s. judaism is incompatible with zionism.

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org

http://www.nkusa.org

http://www.israelversusjudaism.org

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By PatrickHenry, May 20, 2007 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

Congressman Dr. Ron Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.

I’d like to see Rudy G’s record on these issues.

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By Kellina, May 20, 2007 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment
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Sorry for posting multiple copies of my earlier message.

Here the corrected URL for Bill Olive’s post:

http://patriotsquestion911.com/media.html

Bye the way, Sheer didn’t say 9/11 was an inside job. Read that essay again, Bill. He merely said that the official story left unanswered questions making the air ripe for conspiracy theories. This statement is a far cry from being a “truther.” And I’m sure he knows the truth.

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By Kellina, May 20, 2007 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
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Curious fact about “President” Bush. Bush did not look surprised at Booker Elementary School when, after the second plane hit the towers, his chief of staff, Andy Card, whispered in his ear that “the country is under attack.” More tellingly, his Secret Service detail did not usher him to safety. Staying put meant that potentially not just Bush but all the children and everyone else at the school were left as potential targets. Bush’s whereabouts had been publicized in advance and presumably, if one were attempting to strike at the heart of America, the president would be a likely target.

QED no one thought Bush was a target. And just how would they know that unless they were in on it?

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By Kellina, May 20, 2007 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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Curious fact about “President” Bush. Bush did not look surprised at Booker Elementary School when, after the second plane hit the towers, his chief of staff, Andy Card, whispered in his ear that “the country is under attack.” More tellingly, his Secret Service detail did not usher him to safety. Staying put meant that potentially not just the president but all the children and everyone else at the school were left as potential targets. Bush’s whereabouts had been publicized in advance and presumably, if one were attempting to strike at the heart of America, a the president would be a likely target. QED no one thought Bush was a target. And just how would they know that unless they were in on it?

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By Kellina, May 20, 2007 at 9:39 am Link to this comment
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I forgot to mention another bit of evidence that makes the official account look strange—Bush was not surprised at Booker Elementary School and his Secret Service detail did not usher him to safety. Staying put meant that potentially not just the president but all the children and everyone at the school was left as a potential target. Bush’s whereabouts had been publicized in advance and presumably, if one were attempting to strike at the heart of America, a strike on the pres would be a likely event.

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By Bill Blackolive, May 20, 2007 at 9:18 am Link to this comment
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Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Robert Scheer and some 400 individuals with photos, and their saying 9/11 is a government coverup, are currently in Alan Miller’s expanding website: patriotsquestion911.com/media

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By Bill Blackolive, May 20, 2007 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
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Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Robert Scheer and some 40 individuals with photos, and their saying 9/11 is a government coverup, are currently in Alan Miller’s expanding website: patriotsquestion911.com/media

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By E Vero, May 20, 2007 at 7:12 am Link to this comment
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“9/11 mysteries” is also very good to see IMHO.

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By Kellina, May 20, 2007 at 6:41 am Link to this comment
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Part II:

*Retaliation was swift and diffuse - against enemies foreign and domestic: The Patriot Act—hundreds of pages long (obviously prepared months in advance)—passed within weeks. Politicians who demurred against the Patriot Act (Leahy & Daschl) were targeted with anthrax, a crime yet to be investigated thoroughly—although the preliminary tests indicate US-weapons grade anthrax was used. Since then, we’ve seen the Bill of Rights dismantled—good-bye habeas corpus, hello torture, hello wire-tapping. Freedom of the press, speech, and probably the internet will be next.

*Who benefits? Military/defense contractors, energy companies, bankers, associates of the Bush/Cheney families, Israel (the Likud party). The politicians have all the power, all the control over a highly fearful populace; elections faked (2004 at least well documented). Israel in particular just got their oil pipeline from Iraq to Haifa turned back on (off since 1948) and now actually charges the US gov’t for fuel and ships it to our forces in Iraq. 

*Who appeared to have planned it in advance? The signatories of PNAC (google it – I can’t do everything for you!). Here’s a little story about where are they (PNAC’ers) now: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/19/04121/2669

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We’re now in a 100-year war, according to Cheney and colleagues. Our children are being sacrificed for a lie. Nearly a million Iraqis (and how many Afghanistanis?) dead, more with lives ruined. We have raped these countries. For a lie.

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By Kellina, May 20, 2007 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
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Okay, here we go again, Part I:

You say that there’s “zero evidence that 9/11 was an inside job?” Where’s the evidence for the “official conspiracy theory” (OCT)? The OCT is that 19 box-cutter wielding arabs organized by Osama bin Laden from his cave retreat in Afghanistan orchestrated and carried out 9/11.

There is no way to believe the US Gov’t or mainstream media on the events of 9/11. Several problems arise:

*No such persons could have penetrated the US security barriers if normal operating procedures had been followed. There was an unexpected NORAD stand-down—normally fighter jets are scrambed within 5 minutes of a plane veering off course. Norman Mineta’s testimony underscore’s Cheney’s culpability in that regard.

*The Pentagon housed a non-responsive defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, who could not be bothered to react in time. Not credible.

*Hundreds of cameras ring the Pentagon—not one tape released. Not credible.

*The section of the pentagon hit was where the auditors worked who were at that time investigating how it was that the Pentagon “lost” 2.3 TRILLION dollars (announced by Rummy on 9/10/01 and conveniently forgotten by the MSM ever since).

*Miliary exercises planned and carried out on 9/11/01 (normally carried out in Oct or Nov) mirrored the attacks perfectly - just as the exercises in London on the day of 7/7/5. It looks like a good way to sow confusion, and easily let a few of the teams “go live.”

*No proof was ever adduced that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with the attacks. We invaded Afghanistan instead of simply providing evidence that bin Laden was responsible in exchange for the Taliban’s agreement to hand over bin Laden if such evidence was proffered. The FBI doesn’t even list Osama as wanted for the crimes of 9/11. The only “proof” was a video conveniently “found” by US forces in Afghanistan; the person purported to be Osama in the video is fat, uses the wrong hand, has a different facial structure than Osama, etc.

*Several of the “terrorists” are alive and well and have been interviewed by the media!

*There’s no proof that any arab hijackers were even on the planes. No arab names appeared on any flight manifests, for example, and only two highly disputed phone calls from planes mention hijackers at all.

*Flight patterns of the supposedly hijacked planes appeared well beyond what amateur pilots trained on single-engine Cessnas could do.

*The damage allegedly due to the planes hitting the Twin Towers does not match the final outcome—pulverized concrete, steel beams ejected 600 feet from the buildings, collapse at near-free-fall speed, molten steel in the basement for months, eyewitness identification of explosions prior to and after plane impact, seismic data consistent with explosive devices, etc.

*Building 7—no reason for this building to fall WHATSOEVER. Unless you count insurance fraud by its lease-holder, Larry Silverstein (on video admitted that the building was pulled), and control/destruction of documents; it housed the SEC, CIA, and several other interesting groups.

*If the buildings exploded, how could they have wired them up in the time allotted?—Guess what? Marvin & Wirt Bush, GW’s brother and cousin, respectively, were in charge of WTC security.

*Who else is implicated? Israeli spies, Mossad agents, were spotted gleefully dancing, and their van held cash, box-cutters, explosives, and (others’) passports. Guess what? We let them go, quietly, back to Israel. Somebody’s got some ‘splainin’ to do . . .

*The US officials claimed to have “no idea” about the impending attacks - yet within minutes had a suspect (Osama) and within 48 hours, all 19 “hijackers” were presented. Immediately, a motive and plans to retaliate emerged.

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By 911truthdotorg, May 20, 2007 at 12:18 am Link to this comment

Ga -

Please open your eyes and mind to the reality of 9/11.

Lee Hamilton, co-chair of the 9/11 Commission has said that they were set up to fail. I can go on and on…

Please watch these Google videos:
9/11 Press for Truth (first)
Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By jmndodge, May 19, 2007 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

We must demand truth from our media.  Report the lies and liars, but for Gods sake quite the spin which turns the common lie into acceptable policy.  How could anyone possibly consider voting for anyone who has never heard, anyone who is unwilling to listen to, or to respond to the tough questions.  Ron Paul may or may not be the best choice,  but his critique of American foreign policy demands serious reporting, and response form political leaders.

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By republicanSScareme, May 19, 2007 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment
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Unfortunately, CNN’s credibility is only one notch above Faux News. Ron Paul is not part of the Good ‘ol Boys Club so he’ll never get any serious media attention.

Both parties, Republicans and Democrats, want CRIMINAL RICH CLUB MEMBERS who are KNOWN SELLOUTS and SHAMELESS HYPOCRITES.

Any Democrat who wants Hillary Clinton after she seeks help from the likes of Rupert Murdoch is not a real Democrat but just another rich shit REPUBLICRAT.

I’m a Roosevelt/Kennedy Democrat who hates Bush Republicans but I would seriously consider voting for Ron Paul because at least he’s a guy with OBVIOUS integrity unlike the other ass-kissing, immoral Republican candidates. Most of those guys come off as extremely ignorant or $5 dollar thugs.  They wouldn’t know an ethical idea if it bit them in the ass.

Ron Paul is an exception.  It’s actually hard for me to believe he’s a Republican because he appears to have an open and analytical mind.

So far, I’d vote for Obama and pray he’s a decent man and not just another political shit-bag.

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By Ga, May 19, 2007 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

Re: Comment #71030 by D Zakheim:

“Of course 9/11 was an inside job. We pulled it off. Anyone who says it wasn’t is stupid or is part of our gang.”

There is absolutely ZERO evidence of this and there is only wild speculation and wishful thinking behind it.

The Administration may just have suspected something like it would have happened and did little to prevent it, but the evidence that bin Laden was responsible is OVERWHELMING.

The Administration has proven to be INCOMPETENT. There is no way that the 9/11 Commission, and so many other government employees involved, could be in on any such conspiracy.

Bush et. al. are too dumb to have pulled this off.

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By Stephen Smoliar, May 19, 2007 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

The thing about the main stream media (MSM) is that they do not want their readers/listers/viewers to feel bad about themselves.  This is why the general reaction to a sobering reflection is to dump on it.  (Remember the phrase “Everybody is happy nowadays?”  Remember the source of the text?  Remember the mentality behind the phrase?)  Nevertheless, it was nice to see that Stephen Kinzer got himself interviewed by Charlie Rose (which probably would not have happened had he not been one of Ron Paul’s sources).  Chalmers Johnson (whose BLOWBACK book is part of his “American Empire Trilogy”) was recently on Book TV.  With any luck the time is coming when Jon Stewart and/or Stephen Colbert will discover at least one of them, which may undermine MSM attempts to ignore them!  (Johnson seems to have more of a knack for putting on a better show than Kinzer does.  Johnson could play off of Colbert very well.)

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By Forkboy, May 19, 2007 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

Regarding #70944 by ardee on 5/18 at 5:02 pm

“It is worth noting, and again and again as the campaign plays out, that Giuliani was in the toilet in New York on 9/10, his administration was scandal ridden and he had a lower approval rating than even Georgie. He is a one note candidate with a dubious political history and no other credentials whatsoever.”

Yes ardee, one would assume that with this pedigree he would, after all, be the perfect nominee for the Republican Party and a fantastic follow-up to the utter and dismal failure that has been W.  It seems the RNC can only put forth failures for the office of the Presidency, but it’s America’s fault for putting them in office (except, of course, when they simply steal or have stolen the election).

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By John C. Bonser, May 19, 2007 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

Too bad these candidates feel obligated to appeal to our worst instincts. Great men have great ideas. Little men are pretenders who do so wish to inherit the Bush mantel of failure and incompetence. They have no thought of the damage a continuation will bring to our nation. What is best for the nation is irrelevant to them all! jb

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By 911truthdotorg, May 19, 2007 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Bukko -

Thank you for your perspective on what people around the world think about America. It is truly depressing what this monster has done to this country.

I visited Australia in Oct 2004, a month before he stole his second election. On the dive boat trip out to the Barrier Reef, a woman from Brisbane asked me
“do Americans just want war?”.  I was shocked and ashamed for my country. I went on to explain how the monster had everyone believing that there was a terrorist hiding behind every tree with all the false “terror” alerts that summer. I’ve despised bush and the entire bush gene pool forever.

And this was when I mostly believed the official 9/11 lie.

Now I know that bush/cheney/rove, etc are mass murderers.

We need to support Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel. If this stupid country elects the 9/11 whore giuliani, we are doomed! Or any of the others, for that matter.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By D Zakheim, May 19, 2007 at 9:08 am Link to this comment
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Of course Ron Paul won the debate, hands down. Of course 9/11 was an inside job. We pulled it off. Anyone who says it wasn’t is stupid or is part of our gang.

Let me tell you, Americans will have no choice in the upcoming elections, if we decide to hold them at all, because we decide who gets to be president. We decide who the decider is. We writethe laws, the signing statements, the speeches, the foreign policy, the regulations, everything. Voting is for little people to make them feel like they live in a Democracy. But in reality, we tell them who they want; we make them want Clinton or Giuliani or Obama. Whoever cuts the best deal with us or whoever we have the most dirt on (to be used as needed at some later point).

I do believe that Ron Paul will be “Wellstoned” (a charming neologism, ne c’est pas?) thanks to my innovative remote-control piloting mechanisms (developed by clueless engineers to ‘prevent’ hijacking - isn’t that a scream?).

Dov

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By Rickinsf, May 19, 2007 at 7:49 am Link to this comment
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“Ron Paul won that silly debate hands down, at least among thinking voters.”

Ardee, you reminded me of the quote attributed to the late Adlai Stevenson who, while running against Eisenhower, was told by someone that he had “the support of thinking people”
Stevenson, “Yes, but I need a majority.”

Ron Paul and his like haven’t a chance.

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By PatrickHenry, May 19, 2007 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Yes Ralph Nader are the only candidates who, if elected, will attempt to turn the U.S. in another direction than the one it is currently headed…..down.

Shame they get as little attention from the MSM that they do.  The internet is the only place where one can get the straight scoop on their positions without the hyperbole of Hannity, Oreilly, Rush and those morons.

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By Bukko in Australia, May 18, 2007 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment

I’m with you on the perception of Americans in the rest of the world, Straight. Working in hospital in Oz, I run into not just Aussies, but Brits, Kiwis, Irish, Filipinos (lots of nurses from there) and tons of Italians, Greeks, Lebanese and other polyglot people that the winds have blown here from all over the world. They remember when the U.S. used to be a force for good in the world, but now they regard it as the new evil empire a la the old Soviet Union. They used to just despise Bush and his crime family, but after he stole his way into power for another four years, and with all the news about torture, mass shootings and other American depravity, people regard the entire U.S. and its population as twisted, dangerous folks.

As for Ron Paul, he’s seeing what happens when someone challenges “groupthink.” The group of hardcore, torture-loving Republican presidential candidates (and the S.C. audience that cheered them) have decided that Muslims attacked America because “they hate our freedom.” Don’t bother them with alternative theories, even if they’re true. They’ll shout you down and try to toss you out of future “debates.” The same groupthink mindset was at work in the leadup to the attack on the Babylon Oil Colony. Anyone like Gen. Eric Shinseki who challenged the official mentality that it would be an easy war and Americans would be greeted as liberators, was tossed out. And we see how badly that worked.

No doubt the same failed outcome will happen with the GOP preznit contenders. Luckily, I think enough American voters have wised up. It’s sad when Paul, who’s a Liberatrian wingnut on most issues, sounds like the rational one in this room full of presidential aspirants from a major, albeit delusional, political party.

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By straight_talk_11, May 18, 2007 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

Absolutely, Ardee! Anyone who reads the news is already aware of the information in this article…yes, even the mainstream media if the reader is smart enough to look on page Z 13. The sad thing is that the average American doesn’t care a whit about foreign affairs unless and until it involves war.

The major magazines know that putting foreign affairs on the cover without involving war news is going to make too many issues sit in the news stands unread. Many Americans don’t go past local news and sports scores and sound bites on TV. They can’t even find most of these countries on a map with their names printed on them, let alone anything about their culture, motives, economics, etc. or what our relationship to all this is or what our motives might be for interfering in their business and politics or even whether we have interfered.

I’ve been to Europe and Latin America many times, have near-native fluency in Spanish, and speak German and French well enough to manage in rural areas where English is not spoken. Many Americans have asked me, “Why do they hate us so much?” They have no clue about much of anything we have done in any of the instances mentioned in this article and quite a few others, yet in the countries affected it is general knowledge and the resentment is high even in Latin America.

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By Matt, May 18, 2007 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment
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Giuliani cynically and intentionally conflated Paul’s observation of objective causality (“If you are the world’s sole superpower and you make vast numbers of people impotently, chronically angry at you by pursuing unjust, bullying policies for decades, you increase the probability that some people will eventually respond with criminal violence”) with ascribing moral culpability to terrorism’s victims (“The people in the twin towers deserved what happened to them”).

For intelligent voters, Giuliani only made himself even more repulsive with this deeply dishonest performance.

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By ardee, May 18, 2007 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Ron Paul won that silly debate hands down, at least among thinking voters. Of course it seems increasingly probable that “thinking voter” is an oxymoron these sad days.

It is worth noting, and again and again as the campaign plays out, that Giuliani was in the toilet in New York on 9/10, his administration was scandal ridden and he had a lower approval rating than even Georgie. He is a one note candidate with a dubious political history and no other credentials whatsoever.

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