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White House ‘Strongly Opposes’ Extra Pay for Troops

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Posted on May 17, 2007
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The House of Representatives wants to boost soldier pay by 3.5 percent in order to close the gap with private sector wages, but the White House opposes an increase beyond 3 percent. The White House has also come out against new benefits for disabled veterans and survivors of military retirees.


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Troops don’t need bigger pay raises, White House budget officials said Wednesday in a statement of administration policy laying out objections to the House version of the 2008 defense authorization bill.

The Bush administration had asked for a 3 percent military raise for Jan. 1, 2008, enough to match last year’s average pay increase in the private sector. The House Armed Services Committee recommends a 3.5 percent pay increase for 2008, and increases in 2009 through 2012 that also are 0.5 percentage point greater than private-sector pay raises.

The slightly bigger military raises are intended to reduce the gap between military and civilian pay that stands at about 3.9 percent today. Under the bill, HR 1585, the pay gap would be reduced to 1.4 percent after the Jan. 1, 2012, pay increase.

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By Robbie, October 18, 2007 at 12:39 am Link to this comment
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you know you get better wages as a terrorist and a drug lord. Im a disabled veteran and im ashamed to say i fought for my country, because my country which is congress and the president only care for themselves.Bush gets a grant for a baseball stadium and i get a grant to get disabled for him at war.And as for congress ( greedy people ) they get raises for sitting in a chair talking about how they love the troops. ( Bunch of bull!)

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By John C. Bonser, May 18, 2007 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

I am reminded of Welsch’s (sp?) question addressed to Joe McCarthy , “Have you no shame!” Obviously This President has none!  jb

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By PatrickHenry, May 18, 2007 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

To end the war in Iraq:

We reinstate the draft.

Use use the money we overpay KBR, Blackwater, Custer, Halliburton to provide CB’s, Corps of engineers detachments, upgrading the military logistics.

The outpouring of Bitching from the most sucessful to the least would end this war in a week when the first draftees come home in body bags.

It would be 1970 all over again.

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By Jack Williams, May 18, 2007 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment
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It’s OK to do his killing, but don’t ask for a raise!!

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By Louise, May 18, 2007 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment
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DennisD (#70704)
“The Bush administration had asked for a 3 percent military raise for Jan. 1, 2008, enough to match last year’s average pay increase in the private sector”

I didn’t receive a pay increase last year! My income went down, largely because everything else went up. I think that puts me in the majority.

rowdy (#70721)
“I have little use for the military.”

That’s a shame, because if this Empire crashes, (and it probably will) the only thing standing between us and a foreign nation that might REALLY invade is our military.

Debra Istvanik-Strotman (#70731)
“Every American should be ashamed for not standing up for and fighting for our military.”

Truer words have never been spoken! The troops are not the enemy! They are the greatest victims of this administration. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DYING!

Leefeller (#70739)
“As a Vietnam veteran my contempt for Bush seems to never find an end. Hope I am not alone in this?  Bush needs to be impeached.”

You are not alone. You are in the majority! They BOTH need to be impeached. I think we all agree on that!

enemy of the people (#70743)
“If they are fired up when a Congressman visits it is because their NCOs would kick their asses if they were not properly “enthusiastic.”

It’s called a “Command Performance”
The Commander says,
“You will show up!”
“Yes Sir!”
“You will smile and cheer and be happy to see your Commander in Chief!”
“Yes sir!”
“You will not fall asleep!”
“Yes Sir! No Sir!”

They do such a good job, the “Commander In Chief” actually believes the troops are happy to see him! Always good for a chuckle.

c u n d gulag (#70762)
“I fear it may be too late…”

If you’re still breathing ... it’s not too late!

Inherit The Wind (#70767)
“I almost hope there’s a Hell so George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Karl Rove (!) et al will roast in it!”

Not me ... I want to SEE the accountability!

This Old Brit (#70769)
“I truly wonder sometimes why lamp-posts and piano wire aren’t yet topics of discussion among patriotic Americans.”

Well actually, they are. But the few nice lamp-posts that haven’t been replaced with those ugly steel-neon things (complete with camera) don’t need to be sullied, and why ruin a perfectly good piano?

The best answer I think, is a good old fashioned Tent City on the Mall in Washington DC, with a few hundred thousand citizens who refuse to move until this wrong is righted!

Not to send a message to the White House, because their receiver is always turned off. But to send a message to Congress!

That blinkity blank bleep Congress!

I think it’s about time they get the message ... do something NOW, or YOU wont be coming back!

George Walker Bush (#70783) and Walker - Texas Stranger (#70871)
Well done!

Yes, Lex Luther #70760
“The tragedy of Pat Tillman is the tragedy of America.”

And finally, bdrube (#70807)
“And yet, about 80% of the troops voted to re-elect the very person who is now shafting them.” 

Or so you’ve been told.

This is a myth. Created and perpetuated by the “conservative” controlled Media.

When “IKE” was president, this was true. Over the years there’s been a visible shift among career military to the left. The majority of these folks vote ABSENTEE. Do you have any idea how easy it is to “misplace” those votes? I had occasion to listen to a retiring Colonel make the comment following the 2000 presidential fiasco, “Till the day I die, I will always wonder if my vote has ever been counted.”

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By rodney, May 18, 2007 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
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Bush treats military families the same way he treated the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Military moms and mothers are the new welfare queens. Support the soldiers while they are fighting,when they come home with injuries give them two mouse traps and a can of bug spray for their time spent at the VA hospital. A raise would cut into the profits of
halliburton,blackwater,KRB,and bechtel.In a war that was statted on lies and deception with no accountability these questions must be asked, Do anyone know of any American killed in America by Saddam Hussien? Are suicide deaths counted as casualities of war? Bush has treated the military like a crack whore.he uses them for photo op speeches and fucks them without paying them.

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By Shannon P., May 18, 2007 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment
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George W. wasn’t then, isn’t now and never will be in touch with the real American. Least of all, a soldier.After all, he bumbled through his own enlistment like some loser, only to go home and bury his head in his momma’s busom while all of his expenses were paid. What have we done?  What will they do next?  We have to force this guy out!

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By Walker - Texas Stranger, May 18, 2007 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment
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Yo! Chumps

My next GAME…..plan is to tenderize CON-tracts for the privatificate the Army, Navy and Air Force of the US.  It is the Americanized wey to DO….things.  Dick Cheney informified me Halliburton KBR are under WEY to proposify the set up of a new mah-RINE corps.  Dick Cheney and Halliburton assured me - on their honor - it would be Cheaper, more Ecanomicalized and VAL-ue fer the tax prayers .  As their campaign contributions are sig-NIF-icant, I have given them the Green-LITE.
However, I do NOT want that to discouragifcate any UH-thers like Lockheed Martin from TRY-ing though.  If they have a fis-CALoficatized responsible tender we would consider….....it.  Campaign contributions are always WELL-come, if you now what I mean.

Those who objectify with short sightedized vision do not understand the WOR or TERR…or in the 21st century.

Bring it on

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By joneden, May 18, 2007 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment
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This was national security judgment by Bush. He has it on very strong authority that troops with extra money are very likely to use it on drugs and thus become not fit for duty.

jon
Connecting the dots: from human behaviors to ecosystem decline
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By SuGee, May 18, 2007 at 11:42 am Link to this comment
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We’ve all said it!  In fact, the public is also aware that BuchCo.Inc. is made up of a bunch of war criminals.  Impeachment is taking way too long.  It looks like it’s time for another revolution

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By Dale Headley, May 18, 2007 at 10:58 am Link to this comment
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Once again, George Bush is making it clear what his REAL priorities are.  The more he can hold down spending on benefits for soldiers and veterans, the more he has available to prosecute the war that is killing and wounding them.  It makes that refrain I keep hearing from the right side of the aisle in Congress - “Support the troops!” ring rather hollow.

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By QuyTran, May 18, 2007 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

This immoral administration only needs our troops’ bloods for its illusionary glories.

3.5 percent pay increase is not big enough if compared to Halliburton’s paychecks to Cheney.

The merchant of bloods in the Whore House is so cruel.

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By michael, May 18, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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Military personnel are only important to the government when they are capable of fighting.The value of these people mean nothing to Bush. Get hurt, unable to do your duty and they cut you loose.

Delete military and change goverment to corporation change fighting to working and we have corporate america   since these bozos have sold us and their souls to big coporations   shoud we be suprized ?????

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By Hammo, May 18, 2007 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

It seems doubtful that many of those in the Bush-Cheney administration really care about our troops and their families.

To people like those in the Bush-Cheney administration, our troops are pawns to be used in the manipulations and greed that motivate those in the Bush-Cheney gang.

The welfare of our troops and their families is probably quite low on the Bush-Cheney list of priorities.

Related to this, the article below may be of interest:

“American troops are cracking under horrors, deception and lies of Iraq war” (AmericanChronicle.com)

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=10640

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By anonymous, May 18, 2007 at 9:19 am Link to this comment
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Cheap skates!

They act as if THEY are gonna have to pay for it.

They underestimate the goodness of Americans.  I’d bet the raise would be even heftier if the people could vote on it.  And, I’d go so far as to say that we’d pay for it with even more taxes on ourselves.  Obviously, the Bush base won’t step up.

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By bdrube, May 18, 2007 at 8:28 am Link to this comment
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And yet, about 80% of the troops voted to re-elect the very person who is now shafting them.  You get what you pay for, I guess.

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By GW=MCHammered, May 18, 2007 at 8:27 am Link to this comment
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re: Louise #70724
“The only question is what will we call the Empire?”
To quote another TruthDigger, as long as we are under Bush: Dumbfuckistan

Now why don’t our troops receive the same pay/benefits as BlackWater and Haliburton employees? Just speed up the USD presses… or did we export that job too?

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By mediamouse.org, May 18, 2007 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

I think this is just another example of how the rhetoric of “support your troops” functions primarily as a means of silencing dissent and supporting a particular policy position rather than being a statement that actually means something.

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By Mar Del Zur, May 18, 2007 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

What? The President not supporting the troops?! Why did I have to come to Truthdig to find out about this?! Why wasn’t it playing 24x7 on FOX News?!!

Ahhhh…..president is a Republican….SO! Is Paris Hilton out of jail yet?

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By George Walker Bush, May 18, 2007 at 6:55 am Link to this comment
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Yo!  Scheer

Cease and desistify.  I….know you are wor-KING for the evil Do-ers (full stop)  Only a….true American will en-TER the kingdom of heavenificate (full stop)
I…am proudly of my…... SUR-vis 2 the United State of American (full stop)
I honorify our fightin men in uniform an thu spirit they git 4 the SAC-ri-ficifocate they R ...GIV-ing to their nation of American (full stop)

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By James Yell, May 18, 2007 at 6:41 am Link to this comment
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Billions for weapons systems that don’t work and planes that fall out of the sky. Benefits for wounded and pay packages for grunts, no Republican Way.

Bush in his befuddled mind must think all those young men doing what he refused to do in his own time, also have rich fathers who can well afford the damages of war. Sadly they are mostly from average or low income families and Bush/Cheney the cowards don’t want to collect taxes to pay them.

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By Druthers, May 18, 2007 at 5:13 am Link to this comment
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Push that logic a bit more and the troops will be paying fees for their travel plans to visit and experience battle as “it used to be,” when they waited to “see the whites of their eyes” before firing and never lit three cigarettes in a row - but now of course smoking on the battlefield must be forbidden.

Has the administration compared the salaries of the military in third world countries and come to the conclusion that US military must be competitive, except of course for Blackwater mercenaries.
After all isn’t everything a question of market value?  What price for a President?  We could even throw in a Vice-President-two for the price of one.

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By This Old Brit, May 18, 2007 at 4:53 am Link to this comment
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I truly wonder sometimes why lamp-posts and piano wire aren’t yet topics of discussion among patriotic Americans.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 18, 2007 at 4:38 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t it amazing that “supporting the troops” doesn’t mean anything more than supporting President Moron’s idiotic policies, and at the same time shafting our troops, casualties and vets?

What is clear is that Elitist Bush sees other people’s children as cannon fodder, just like he always has. And so do all the chickenhawks he surrounds himself with.  Oh, they all “supported” the Viet Nam War, while they themselves were dodging serving there.  That’s because they are the “elite” and are far to valuable to chance risking their precious asses when there are all these worthless working class kids who can be sent to die.

I almost hope there’s a Hell so George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfawitz, Karl Rove (!) et al will roast in it!

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By c u n d gulag, May 18, 2007 at 3:34 am Link to this comment
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“Support the troop’s!”  Just don’t pay them… 
I now live in Fayetteville, NC, the home of Fort Bragg.  To see these kid’s is to admire them.
To look at this President is to abhor him.
What happened to this country?  We must all work as hard as we can to take it back from people like Mr. Bush and his supporters.
But, looking at the Republican debate this week, I fear it may be too late…
Still, we must try.

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By Lex Luther, May 18, 2007 at 1:34 am Link to this comment
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Citizens
It’s only unpatriotic when you call it a new Vietnam Quagmire.
It’s only unpatriotic when you say the medals are meaningless.
It’s only unpatriotic to disinfect Walter Reed.
It’s only unpatriotic when you say most of the officer corps are mediocre career minded bureaucrats.
It’s only unpatriotic when you say Colin Powell was always a career minded, Cover-up, Yes Man.
It’s only unpatriotic when you see how NIXON Cronies ruthlessly elbowed their way up the greasy poll into high office.
It’s only unpatriotic when you point out what Shallow intellects, morals and ethics Neocons actually have.
It’s only unpatriotic when you call this administration a bunch of SELF SERVING CROOKS.
It’s only unpatriotic when you think about the Troops instead of the welfare of Halliburton or Lockheed Martin.

It’s only Patriotic when the Neocons say it is.

The tragedy of Pat Tillman is the tragedy of America.

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By enemy of the people, May 17, 2007 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

Not much of a comparason I know, but here it is anyway.

When I was a Marine in Viet Nam, Republic of, almost 40 years ago, I stayed there for nearly 3 years and one reason was that we made $75 in combat pay per month and our pay was tax free. Patriotism was not as much a part of my decision making as was the chance to go to College on the GI bill if I lived through the war experience. There were other reasons for joining and serving in Viet Nam, Republic of, and in total it was what I did.

When I went to Viet Nam, Republic of, in 1967, I was a Lance Corporal making about $130 a month. The $75 extra made a huge difference. When I left Viet Nam in 1970 I was a sergeant making $327 a month. The $75 was still a big deal but the Marine Corps wouldn’t let me stay any longer so I came home and got out.

Today the young people in the military, REMFs and Grunts alike are still not paid well in the military but it pays far, far better than greeting people at Small Mart or flipping burgers at Mickey Dees, and they are NOT in the service because they are patriots.

I wonder how many of these repugniks would be willing to ride around in a Hummer posing as a target for 20 to 30 thousand dollars a year, plus benefits. Obviously, since most of them are not lining up at the recruiters offices and the military is having to lower its standards monthly to make their “quotas” the kids joining are not repugs and are not consumed by patriotism.

If they are fired up when a Congressman visits it is because their NCOs would kick their asses if they were not properly “enthusiastic.”

Patriotism?

What a joke.

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By Leefeller, May 17, 2007 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

The Russians treated their Veterans after there big lost war in Afghanistan with the same attitude. The troops are cannon fodder, support the troops.  Long live the King.

As a Vietnam veteran my contempt for Bush seems to never find an end. Hope I am not alone in this?  Bush needs to be impeached.

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By Debra Istvanik-Strotman, May 17, 2007 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment
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Bush loves our military only when cameras are on him.

Bush has the audacity to strongly oppose pay increases for our military ‘as unnecessary.’ This man should and must be impeached.

Military personnel are only important to the government when they are capable of fighting.The value of these people mean nothing to Bush. Get hurt, unable to do your duty and they cut you loose. Come home to find you must fight the Veterans Affairs for medical and psychological care. Unfortunately, many are turned away, physically and mentally incapable of fighting yet another enemy to get the benifits they deserve.

Nothing has changed since Nam. You fight the man’s war and then you fight the man for the help they refuse you.

Every Amercian should be ashamed for not standing up for and fighting for our military.

Why doesn’t Bush stand in front of the camera’s and tell all “Let them eat cake.”

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By Louise, May 17, 2007 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment
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Can there still be any doubt what the Bush clan is all about?

Your kids are cannon fodder.

You are tax fodder

Your future is servitude to the Empire.

The only question is what will we call the Empire?

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By rowdy, May 17, 2007 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

i have little use for the military. where would bush be if they all just deserted? to quote the movie airplane"they bought their tickets,let them crash”. but in the real world,this is not the ticket they bought. how can this pretender to the throne dismiss these gullible fools so casually. they were enticed into service by promises of free higher education, a chance to make a dignified living,health care for themselves and their families and who knows what else lured them. bush has treated them as serf’s, his own lackeys bound to do his bidding and who cares if they die;they are replaceable. this asshole,the one who managed to steal two elections,has not a care in the world for the people he has sent to die for halliburton and the rest of the war profiteers. why is this fool still in charge of this country??????

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By DennisD, May 17, 2007 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment
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“The Bush administration had asked for a 3 percent military raise for Jan. 1, 2008, enough to match last year’s average pay increase in the private sector”. That must EXCLUDE CEO’S.

Is the private sector putting it’s life on the line every f**king day. Cut back on VA benefits, pay and everything else - just keep being camel fodder for Haliburton etal. like you’re supposed to.

This country’s treatment of our military is pathetic.

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