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Immigration Deal in the WorksPosted on May 17, 2007The stage is set for a possible Senate showdown next week after top Democratic and Republican senators came to an agreement Thursday with White House officials on the particulars for a proposed immigration overhaul.
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By Jim Goodson, May 20, 2007 at 6:45 am #
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This so called Immagration Bill is nothing more than a corporate pimps bill. The Southern Plantation owners who were originally from the north, tried to justify slavery. This slave trade was propelled by the rich, The poor didn,t own slaves, they could not afford them. Under this bill cheap labor becomes indentured servants with the payment of $5000 each. The rich get richer from the start. Wake up people the corporate pimps are running your country, your government and your wars, Taking your possesions,your freedoms and your childrens future.
Report thisBy Rene, May 18, 2007 at 8:29 pm #
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I am just very upset that this is even called, “illegal immigration”, we need to call it what it is, and invasion. These people are not Americans, and don’t like Americans, they just want out Stuff! They want what we have but still don’t want to be an American.
Immigration is when you leave for a better life, and become a citizen of the country you chose. But instead, the illegals, (and that is not specific to Mexicans, there are African, Chinese,etc illegals)who are majority Mexican want to just cross the border illegally,and do everything illegally they can to have out lifestyle.And what actually happens is they infringe on our rights. We have paides here forever, we have voted, but illegals come and just get what we have worked for, for free.
It takes several illegal family memebers to pool their money into one household to live, and they buy homes with no credit history, they drive with fake drvier licenses, they get social security, they get SSI, they get welfare, and the system is being depleted for those who are Americans, I don’t see how anyone thinks this is o.k. or fair.
The streets are so crowded, the freeways are jammed,and that is not fair. Why should I have to get up 1 1/2 hours earlier than usual just to travel to work 20 ins away, that has been turned into a 2 hour drive?...that is not fair....and to top it off, they will then hold up their flag and turn ours upside down; they rally against the U.S. policy demanding they be legal?…
It’s an invasion, at best. An underclass of people from another country,breaking the law, and then trying to push their way to our stuff and rights...now upset that the U.S government is trying to control their invasion...what are they thinking,
If I left my country because it was not a good place for me to live and run my family, I would want to leave too, but I would not bite the hand that feeds me, my loyalty would be to my new home, APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP, and become legal, or go homw.
Report thisBy Jason, May 18, 2007 at 11:13 am #
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James Yell, the problem is that, thanks to “Chicano studies” and radical Latino identity movements, many Mexicans see themselves as one in the same as Native Americans. They ignore their European heritage and proclaim to be full-blooded Aztecs and Mayans
I just wanted to say it was nice living in America while it lasted. This current horde of illegals will get amnesty, just like the ones in the 80’s under Reagan, and thirty years from now when we are a Spanish speaking extension of Mexico full of crime, corruption, decay and overpopulation, the politicians will be too far gone to do anything.
Report thisBy Pete, May 18, 2007 at 7:29 am #
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I cannot understand why progressively minded people cannot see this immigration “reform” for what it is; the continuing assault by the republican party on the working people of America. Now you can add a full blown assault on Social Security as well. Between outsourcing,H1B visas and now the unfettered importation of unskilled labor,who do progressives think is being impacted by this while the corporate sponsors of the republicans drool over lower wages in high tech as well as unskilled labor as well as strengthening asinine misnamed “right to work laws”. You have the “right to work” for whatever we want to pay you under whatever conditions we tell you to. Gollum W.Bush even held up one of his pet homeland security bills because it might have given TSA screeners collective bargaining rights.Golly, how terrible would that have been? Must have been talked up like crazy at all the republican prep schools and country clubs. If Gollum has his way, social security might be broke before he leaves office. Maybe that’s why he wants to hire 6,000 more border guards. Not to guard the nonexistent borders but to beef up another alphabetized police force to use against the peasants when they finally wake up!
Report thisBy Snidley Whiplash, May 18, 2007 at 6:59 am #
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Ah… The noble art of race-baiting. It never ceases to amazing me that the men at the table can always get the dogs to fight over the scraps. No offense, but if it comes to anyone here as a surprise that the same corporations who’ve spent the past 100+ years gutting the “third world” would do the same to us… Welcome to the real world. The Cold-War is over. You lost. Turn off your TV. Get out your history books. There’s a reason they call it the “Chilean” Model.
Report thisBy James Yell, May 18, 2007 at 5:54 am #
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To begin with this is just another grab at votes. It won’t work. The exodus of hispanics and in particular Mexicans into this country is fueled by overpopulation and is allowed because it degrades the value of Labor all over the country. There is a hostility in the Mexican community invented on the idea that we stole the land from them, when in fact we got it the same way they got their claim, by stealing it from the actual historic population of the Southwest. If we are going to give it back to anyone, why not give it to the actual tribes who historically occupied the land, before the Mexicans stole it and then we stole it from them?
Report thisBy PaulMagillSmith, May 17, 2007 at 9:34 pm #
What a travesty of justice this whole mess is. Illegal aliens are just that in spite of how anyone tries to ‘frame’ the argument. They are here illegally, having committed the first crime by ‘stealing’ their way across our border, and they are alien to the majority, customs, & even language of citizens in this OUR country.
As much as I many times often disagree with statements by Joe Scarborough, while slamming the idiocy of this approach to the illegal immigration tonight he made many valid points. One in particular struck me as a major crux in the matter. He noted there are about 6 billion people on this earth, and granting an amnesty like this is an open door invitation to a much larger invasion than even the hordes currently flowing across our borders. When I consider Reagan’s 1986 ‘amnesty’, and the massive increase in illegal immigration that ensued, I would have to agree.
If this sorry excuse for a bill passes, instead of the estimated 12-30 million illegal aliens currently in the US, within 20 more years could that number become 75-100 million or more?
For complete disclosure I will add I am a 59 year old middle class WASP, and my family has lived in this country since 1634. A number of people use the lame argument, “We are a nation of immigrants. Your family immigrated here, what’s wrong with us doing the same?”
My answer to that erroneous logic is simple. We are also our own nation AND a nation of laws (or supposed to be anyway). Regardless your motivation you are breaking OUR law, and just as any American citizen should pay the consequence for unlawful behavior so should illegal aliens.
You (illegal aliens) have your own countries, and rather than drag OUR country down stay in YOUR country and work at building IT up. The effort can’t be any tougher than it was for my family.
The immigration issue is also a national security issue and our government has failed us on this for the past two decades or more. I live almost a thousand miles from our southern border yet the majority of the people I see walking (and a goodly percentage driving even) around the apartment complex I live at seem of Hispanic origin...and the numbers seem to be increasing. I hear very little English spoken by any of them. Just as there must have been distrust between the culture clash of Neanderthals & Cro-Magnons, forgive me for being so human, but I have little inclination to trust the motivations of those with whom I cannot communicate.
I’ve lived in Tucson, Albequerque, and San Francisco, so I am hardly a stranger to Hispanic people. That’s not the problem. I also owned a seafood business employing a teen-age black, a senior citizen black woman, three Cambodians, a Chinese youth, a second generation Irishman, and my wife was of German extraction, so no one could ever classify me as racist or a bigot. I also had a roomate for a couple years from the Czech Republic, taught him English, and helped him get his union electrician’s card. I welcome diversity, but not the feeling of being encroached upon, and that’s how I feel now.
The first thing we must do to have any rational un-politicized non-financially influenced discussion about immigration reform is seal our borders from unwanted intruders.
Report thisBy DennisD, May 17, 2007 at 7:21 pm #
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Amnesty by any other name. The fire sale of the United States continues unabated. Lowering everyones standard of living but the elites is what made this country great - NOT. When we expect the lawbreakers in Congress to impeach the lawbreakers in the Executive and Judicial branches of our government and see nothing happen, why not let everyone else break the law too. And we have the nerve to call other countries corrupt third rate banana republics -we’ve past them by long ago in the corruption category. We are the teachers and they are our pupils.
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By Leefeller, May 17, 2007 at 2:48 pm #
Desertdude:
The $5000 dollars may not be the problem. Don’t they pay that much to the coyoies just to get across the border?
The immagration issue is smoke and mirriors, to take the focus off of Iraq.
Let’s face it, big business is calling the shots, so whatever happens will be according to their beck and call. Follow the money.
Report thisBy desertdude, May 17, 2007 at 1:37 pm #
This new Immagration bill will not work. Just as the amnesty of the 80’s didn’t work. How is somone to come forward with $5000 dollars for a permit to work temporaily and then after 2 years travel back to their home countries before putting in for legal status. No way will it work. This is a sell out by the Congress for a work program for their buddies in big business for cheap labor. The border will never be secure. They didn’t close it or secure it after 9/11 what makes you think they will secure it now?
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