Jeff Badura:  Don’t deign to tell me to learn history, I lived it, chump.  When I was 10 I thought the “Great Plains” were the F-14’s (my Daddy’s mission).  I married a SAC officer who served the dual mission of readiness and deactivation.  I have enough credibility to dismiss you out of hand without even trotting out the fact my degree is thanks to the ROTC and I had my very own MFA and AOC.  So respectfully, get bent.

When your country employs Soviet tactics and calls it patriotism it’s a fair comparison.  Don’t want to be compared to the worst authoritarians in history?  Don’t effing act like them.  Pretty damned simple if you ask me.

Sorry for my bad english.  Having said that, i was reading the post where Pat’s brother was enlighting us with his point of view over his great loss and his anger against a bunch of liars and criminals.  I just wanted to point that if USA is in war in Irak is because the old tiran , the hanged guy, was a dictator, a murderer, (things no one could deny) and because he was part of the plot that leaded to the towers collapse, or because he had some kind of big rocket (nothing probed yet).  But where did that guy get the power from?  Who supported him as well as all the Latin America dictatorships in the early 70’s and late 80’s? 
Who gave the training to the bearded guy hidden in the mountains that was the master head of the death wings? What’s the power that defeated the URSS before the fanatics took the power in Afghnstn?  Everything is dark and vicious in american “diplomacy”, now they covered this misshap, should it be the only one?  Maybe the first one?  Hopefully the last one?  I don’t think so. I will keep thinking at least until they pass a bill forbiding us to do so.

To the Comment #60391 by john!  How do you support the troops? You canÂ’t logically support the troops and not the mission! ItÂ’s an oxymoron, the troops are fighting the mission, if you donÂ’t support the mission, youÂ’re not supporting the troops!! So stop lying to yourself!! Your being self-righteous, not me!! The time to be against the war was 5 yrs ago, before “we” went! But once “your” government decided to send “our” heroÂ’s to war the debate should end! Men are fighting for their lives and dying for you, you owe it to them, to support them!!

illgramaticus knee’okaun

One report by the Army called it “fratricide”.

Fratricide is not ‘friendly fire’, it is murder.

To Jeff Badura:
I support our troops and do not support the war.  Take your neocon politics and post your comments to your fellow egomaniacal friends @ Fox News.  Maybe they will care what you have to say, unless of course they are still to busy covering the Anna Nicole Smith story.
OR…
Bring an argument of substance which requires you to think in place of you thumping your chest and proclaiming your self-righteousness.

I can’t help but wonder if there’s more to this. 

A well-known athlete joins to Army to find for his country only to find out that he, along with everyone else was lied to about the reasons.  He became personally opposed to our occupation of Iraq and was sure to be a vocal critic once his tour of duty ended.  Is killed in battle, has a huge, public funeral but it is only later that anyone is told that he was killed by friendly fire.

Hmm.  Sounds like some kind of conspiracy to me.  I can’t wait for the Oliver Stone movie.

Dwight Eisenhower warned about the military/industrial complex and he was right and it was this bunch of liars who set the standards under which these officers and men hide the true death.

It is not defaming Pat Tillman to realize that with all the truth that has come out since Pat Tillman joined the military, about the lies told to justify the un-justifiable, that from the point of view, Pat Tillman joined to protect his country, he was used badly and those who used him badly were trying to gain the most P.R. from his death.

Impeach Bush/Cheney and bring war crimes charges against them and Rumsfield. It is the lest we can do for those who lost their lives or faculties for a political diversion and a grab for another countries resources, a country that never did attack this country except in the lies told by this Administration.

Cheney keeps hiding behind the soldiers, when the truth is brought up about this gangsterism, don’t buy it, don’t accept it and don’t let it continue.

to the Comment #60149 by RAE, no, the US institutions are not rotten to the core!! they lied about his death to give him a more heroic one in there eyes !! that not rotten !!

to the Comment #60151 by Bert, nothing will come of it except a bad report in these officers files !! this story is only a big deal cause Tillman was so famous !! otherwise the cover-up would have succeeded !!

to the Comment #60186 by Craig, thank you sir. for your service !!    Airborn !!        whoo’ hyaa !!!   

to the Comment #60201 by Steve Hammons, were do you get your slanderous info that Tillman was anti-war and was fooled by Bush/Cheney !! your wrong and a liar Ive sucked up every bit of info about this hero and that lie you speak of never has come up !!  its on record he was pro-war and felt it was his duty to go fight for his country and his life long friends will attest to that, Staat being one of them !! please don’t dishonor this man with your leftist lies !!

to the Comment #60230 by Blue Girl, Red State, what are you talking about ??? we are no were near as bad as the soviets !! learn what your talking about before you embarrass yourself i suggest you start with a history lesson !!

to the Comment #60259 by Philippe Orlando. another slanderous insult thrown at the USA with no proof to your words !! shame on you for your lies !!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

Do you think that this incident just happened to occur to a celebrity?  Or that the only four lying generals in the U.S. Army were involved in this one case?  Nonsense and double nonsense!  For every malfeasance perpetrated by the military that is exposed,  you can be certain there are a hundred more that have remained sequestered through routine institutional lies and deception.

I just don’t get it.
Why is everybody surprised that the military, particularly the US military can lie?
Wow, I’m so shocked!

So an organization that since WWII specializes in massively killing third world people can lie, uh?
No poop!

regardless of how he died, the point is this was a very successful athlete who gave up millions to serve his country in War !! he believed in the cause, he is a American Hero who died in battle !! friendly fire has always been a factor in every war since the beginning of time, it cant be avoided, and those who die under those circumstance are no less hero’s then those who don’t !! the Army tried to keep it secret because they saw no need for the public to know every last detail of his death !! and they wanted to make sure he was remembered as a hero !! I’m not saying i approve of their deeds. buts that why they did it !! so all these investigational witch hunts, is just a distraction from the truth, the truth is Tillman believed in the mission, and was pro-war and it cost him his life !! by the way Tillman’s good friend, his college roommate, is following in the hero’s footsteps. Lance Cpl. Jeremy Staat, a former defensive lineman for the Pittsburgh Steelers and St. Louis Rams who had been playing Arena Football, was one of 300 Marines in the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment being deployed from Kaneohe Bay. The unit is expected to be in Iraq for seven months. “The way I look at it, we’re spreading freedom, and you have to support the troops and you have to support the war,” Staat, 29, told KITV in Honolulu on Tuesday as he prepared to leave from Hawaii. “You can’t just tell some Marine who just lost his buddy that we supported you but not the war, because in that case you’re basically saying that Marine, his buddy, just died for nothing. We’re one team.”

almost 90% of marines who have joined since the Iraq War started, are sure to go to Iraq !! they know that before they join !! thats why they join !! and enlistments in the war zone is way above the peacetime average !! Cindy Sheehan’s son reenlisted shortly before he died as a hero too !! he must be turning in his grave the way his mother shamelessly uses his death for her own ends!!  you cant support the troops without supporting the mission !! here’s a little test anytime you hear some Washington Dem saying he supports the troops, he is saying that to detract from the truth that he doesn’t !! yea, yea, yea, complain and make a big deal about one building in Walter Reed !! its all a smoke screen for the feckless Dem’s, to try to look like they are for the troops, when in reality they are not !!

thank your gods for the US military, the backbone of the worlds free, standing guard on dangerous gates for us all, It’s the Soldier, not the   reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It’s the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It’s the Soldier, not the politicians that ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It’s the Soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag…....is the Hate-America far-left who burn the flag !! and the soldiers died so you can do that too !!! 

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

I posted about this last night.

It pisses me off beyond measure that we have become worse than the Soviets we were so ideologically opposed to because they engaged in this sort of thing.

The Bush administration and all government under them is exhibit A in why Utilitarianism breaks down.  Turns out the ends don’t justify the means.

Too bad the punishments won’t impact their pensions.

A huge dirtiest stain has been engraved in the face of the U.S. Army because of several high ranking officers ! What should Bush/Cheney do with this when other affairs are still pending ?

There seem to be many complex factors in the Pat Tillman case. These include his joining the Army after 9/11, wanting to be a warrior in the Army Rangers, his apparent change of heart about the invasion of Iraq and the Army’s public relations spin about his death.

Some poeple thought Tillman was a brave patriot to walk away from a multi-million dollar pro football contract. Others thought he was a fool, or at best, naive about government and war.

Even if Tillman was deceived by the Bush-Cheney administration like many others, at least he put his money where is mouth was. He was not one of the Bush-Cheney “chicken hawks” who gladly sent others to death and injury while avoiding combat service themselves.

Pat may have eventually realized that he was serving the neocons, warmongers, war profiteers and chicken hawks in our government and in our nation.

Yet, he was a person who went out there to the front line, in football, as a warrior in the Rangers and as a citizen. There is something to be said for this ... but, he paid a price. At least he was not a chicken hawk. For more, see:

“Chicken hawks are real and dangerous”

By Steve Hammons
Columnist, PopulistAmerica.com
Populist Party of America
November 26, 2006

http://www.populistamerica.com/chicken_hawks_are_real_and_dangerous

Some promotion-goes from E-4 to E-4…

A lot of guys got killed from friendly fire-it’s very frustrating when you see your own guys catching fire from some other unit-I used to just want to go kill the othe dumb SOB’s who were firing on me.

There was a lot of incompetence when I was in-officers would get lost, puzzle palace had an extraordinary lack of ability to understand what was going on-or go out of their way to get intel on what the next mission was.  Not to mention the copious amounts of ass-kissing and chest-beating by the over-infatuated “leaders”.  My XO used to call them idiots masquerading as officers…

Well, Pat, here’s a toast to you and the others who were victims in all this…on all sides.  At least you don’t have to fight the VA for what should be given without questions…

Airborne!

Yeah, but what will come of it? Will officers be told to resign, will the officer corps as such be fundamentally reformed in some way? Only time will tell…

“It was five weeks before his family was told the truth, a delay the Army has blamed on procedural mistakes.”

Government/military/bureaucracy “procedural mistakes” are what everyone else recognizes as OUTRIGHT COWARDLY, ASS-COVERING LYING.

You’ve sure gotta be a pie-eyed Pollyanna to have any respect left for “authority” in America. They’re rotten to the core.

WAS BEING AWARDED THE SILVER STAR PART OF THE COVERUP AS WELL ?? NEVER HEARD OF AWARDS LIKE THAT FOR FRIENDLY FIRE..