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Posted on Mar 19, 2007
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It has now been four years since the United States invaded Iraq and, according to the latest CNN poll, only 30 percent of Americans are “proud” of the war—half the number recorded in 2003. Still—with thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed; hundreds of billions of dollars spent, stolen and wasted; millions of refugees created; terrorist recruitment thriving and a civil war that threatens to engulf the region—we just have to ask: What could anyone possibly be proud of?


 

  • Iraq war timeline
  • CNN:

    Americans are starkly less confident and proud of their country’s involvement in Iraq, according to poll results released Sunday.

    However, the poll—results of which were released on the eve of the Iraq war’s four-year anniversary—also indicated that Americans are no more worried about the conflict than they were when it began in March 2003.

    The CNN poll of 1,027 adults was conducted March 9-11 by Opinion Research Corp. The sampling error for the poll is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    According to the results, 35 percent of Americans are confident about the war, the poll said. When the war began, 83 percent of Americans expressed confidence in the campaign.

    Similarly, 30 percent of those polled this month said they were proud of the war, as opposed to 65 percent who expressed that sentiment in 2003.

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    By GrannyGeese, March 20, 2007 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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    Sometimes a wallop of humor can be found in the worst kinda tragedy.

    Bush landing on the Abraham Lincoln for example.

    No pilot with the sense of a small earthworm would keep his parachute clips fastened after he’d successfully landed. Plain hurts trying to walk with your gonads in a vice.

    But our George did. Our very own “experienced” Air Force pilot George did.

    Yep, looking more like the first Chimp in space, than the “War President” our very own George waddled across that deck, for all the world to see ... he wasn’t no pilot. The joy! The hilarity! The sheer exuberance and laughter of that memorable visage locked in time!

    Some day, the treasured videos and photos taken by the troops who crowded in to be a part of that monumental blunder will be passed around to their posterity. So’s they can giggle and laugh and understand why, you should never, ever allow an inexperienced adolescent to run the world. No matter how funny he is!

    And that 30%? Where does it say in the rule book guaranteed, more than 70% of any group will have more sense than a small earthworm?

    Considering we don’t teach “How to Think” in school, that’s a pretty high number ... that 70%. Them’s the ones you see laugh at silly things and smile at small children. Them’s the ones what asks how come. Them’s the ones that scare the beegeebies out of right-wingers.

    Look in any crowd and you’ll always find that 30%. Them what’s scared to laugh, scared to smile, and most scared of all to think.

    Moms, if you love your kids, don’t let them grow up to be right-wingers. Can stunt their growth.

    Ooops! I mean Moms, if you love your kids, teach them how to THINK and then LET them grow up.

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    By Bukko in Australia, March 20, 2007 at 1:50 am Link to this comment
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    Enemy, your co-worker who’s among the 30% who drank the Kool-Aide—is she HAPPY?

    I’ve noticed that these delusional losers are unsettled spiritually because at some level they KNOW that things are going wrong. They’ve got the Preznut they wanted, the war they adore, and yet they realise it’s going to hell. They’re angry about it, too. People on the left are angry that it’s going to hell, but at least we know why.

    The morons like that who I used to encounter were messed-up in their private lives, because you can’t operate on the basis of delusion and keep it together in the business/social world. Alkies, debtors, spouse-cheaters, neurotics—they use political/religious fantasy as a crutch for their failures.

    Thankfully, since I emigrated here, I meet NO ONE who thinks like your co-worker, and as a nurse in a large hospital, I come into contact with a cross-section of the population. Aussies are not perfect, but at least they live in a reality-based universe.

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    By DennisD, March 19, 2007 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment
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    Another round of Bu$hit for everyone, on the house. Why not, we’re paying for it.

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    By AnnaCatherine, March 19, 2007 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment
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    I join with those wondering about the 30% who still think(?) that supporting our troops means leaving them in Iraq & Afganistan. No one seems to be able to explain it to me. Except to say “that’s what they volunteered for”. I also heard someone say that our country has to be ‘united’. Our country has never been united about anything and that’s one of the many things that makes us great. We’re stuck with a crazy president and apparently part of the population thinks it’s just fine.

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    By jeebs, March 19, 2007 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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    The neocons are proud.  (Why are they not called what they are , i.e. facists)  Halliburton, Brown and Root, etc., all of the Bush 1 and 2’s cronies have made billions, the u.s. now has permanent bases the size of Bagdad all over Iraq, the israel lobby, aipac is oh so pleased and the military has been privatized so that the above can make even billions more.  Bushco never wanted the occupation to succeed .  They have created a situation which will ensure the goals of the fascists succeed permanently.  How old arre all of these guys anyway?

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    By enemy of the people, March 19, 2007 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment
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    There is a dullard who works in my building who is ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY convinced that shrub and lon are doing exactly the right thing regarding:

    1. Queers
    2. Ayrabs
    3. Clean environment idiots
    4. Death tax
    5. anyone not on the list to disappear when jeebus comes next Monday.

    Several weeks ago I almost had to resort to physical force to get her to leave my office and stop her insane rant about my atheism.

    As far as she and her ilk are concerned, they are proud ‘mericans who are going to hebbin with duhbya and the rest of us can (and will) just go to hell.

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    By Dale Headley, March 19, 2007 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment
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    The Iraq War - 2003-2007:  otherwise known as “the early years”.

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    By Bremer, March 19, 2007 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment
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    How can still 30% “be proud of the war” !!!!

    Are there so much blind & stupid people ????

    UNBELIVABLE !!!

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    By Tobiaz, March 19, 2007 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment
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    You do mean the war, right?
    For just a second there I thought you meant the man in the picture.

    QUAGMIRE: 
    A difficult, often embarrassing situation or condition.

    SYNONYMS: 
    Corner:
    A threatening or embarrassing position from which escape is difficult.

    Difficulty:
    Something that obstructs progress and requires great effort to overcome.

    Dilemma:
    A problem that seems to defy a satisfactory solution.

    Hole:
    A space in an otherwise solid mass.

    Jam:
    To cause to lock into an unworkable position.

    Predicament:
    A problematic situation about which one does not know what to do.

    Trouble:
    The condition of being in need of immediate assistance.

    Yep, QUAGMIRE, that’s our dubya. Hopelessly trapped in Two!

    If he hadn’t made such a gawdawful mess of everything, you’d almost have to feel sorry for the guy. Almost ...

    Having to depend on Cheney for advice. How sad is that?

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    By Quy Tran, March 19, 2007 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment
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    The chimpanzee tries to celebrate his 4-year to be human beings.

    Viva the King ! Down with the chimpanzee !

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    By Steve Hammons, March 19, 2007 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment
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    The Iraq War is starting to look more and more like the Vietnam War.

    When they activate the military draft, the similarities will increase.

    Many of us never thought we would see something like the Vietnam War again. The article below may be of interest:

    ‘Nam War, ‘Raq War: Similarities, Differences

    By Steve Hammons
    Columnist, PopulistAmerica.com
    Populist Party of America
    March 19, 2007

    http://www.populistamerica.com/nam_war_raq_war

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    By Tony, March 19, 2007 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment
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    30% is still quite a lot of retards. That is the truly scary thing for those of us outside the US.

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    By Alexandre, March 19, 2007 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
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    By Alexandre, March 19, 2007 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment
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    I’m from Brazil…
    Very Good you Blog…

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    By 911truthdotorg, March 19, 2007 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment
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    What sickens me is that it’s still as high as 30%!!!

    What does this evil SOB have to do for this 30% to change their minds? Chew a baby’s head off on live TV?? That’s right…they’d justify it by saying it was a liberal Democrat baby.

    He was absolutely involved in 9/11…no doubt in my mind. And we’re paying the price for blindly following him into the hell he’s created for this country because of that.

    I urge you all to watch the Google videos:
    9-11 Justice, 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

    God help this country…we’re on the road to disaster.

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    By Rogelio, March 19, 2007 at 11:49 am Link to this comment
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    One has to assume that the Republican spin docotors have given up on trying to justify this rediculous conflict in Iraq. Four years I was part of the minority who spoke out against the conflict. Now, I happen to be part of the majority who can openly criticize a stupid war that our president instigated based on his fabricated lies.

    I was stongly dissapointed in 2004 when Kerry lost. Now, I am happy he lost so that the Republicans can not blame anybody else but themselves.

    The Bush legacy will certainly be viewed as a sham, embarassment,corrupt, and dishonest. What more needs to said other than, perhaps God has stopped talking to “w”.

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    By Ann Myers, March 19, 2007 at 11:10 am Link to this comment
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    A simple question perhaps TruthDig can help. Is US military continuing construction of 12-14(?) permanent bases in Iraq? Is const. continuing on US embassy Gr.Zone, said to be largest in world? Seems that answers would be indication of admin. plans for Iraq.  Thank you very much.

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    By Joe, March 19, 2007 at 11:02 am Link to this comment
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    Pride at this war? NO!

    How about sorrow for the thousands of lives lost by both Americans and Iraqi and the many thousands of injured and the destruction of as many families. How about anger over the lies that led to the invasion of a country that was not harmful to us. For what? Oil? Military bases? One-upping daddy?

    How about acute embarassment and anger at the deceit of W and his cronies and their deliberate lies that started W’s war?

    If the democracts could only get their act together, they could gradually bring the country back to normalcy - it will take years and a couple of impeachments to repair the damage done by this administration. It will take many years for Iraq to rebuild to the level it was before Bush invaded and destroyed the country and its people. We broke it and it’s ours. We need to help rebuild the nation we almost destroyed.

    Does anyone think that Real Republicans are pleased with this war? Of course the neocons are -
    but they aren’t real Republicans or Americans anyway - so why cater to them any longer?

    I hope for an end to our involvement in this Bush war and to let Iraq have the kind of government and way of life they want rather than what this administration wants.

    Pride? No!

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    By Simon hosking, March 19, 2007 at 10:26 am Link to this comment
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    $2.5 TRILLION accrual cost
    One only hopes that the horrendous implications of the $2.5 TRILLION accrual costing of the Iraq War for the US taxppayer (as estimated by Nobel Laureate Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Columbia, and his Harvard colleague Professor Bilmes) will finally register with American and British voters.
    It must be stated that the post-invasion Iraqi excess deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that did not have to happen) now total ONE MILLION as of March 2007, after 4 years of war and as estimated from data from the top US medical epidemiology group in the World’s top Public Health School (the Nobel Laureate-containing Bloomberg School of Public Health) at the top US Johns Hopkins University, published peer-reviewed in the top UK medical journal The Lancet and endorsed by 27 top Australian medical experts.
    The latest 2006 Johns Hopkins data ( indicating 13.3 deaths annually per 1,000 people and an annual Iraqi pre-invasion death rate of 5.5 deaths per 1,000) yields an annual excess death rate of 7.8 per 1,000 i.e. 7,800 per million. Assuming an average population of 27 million this yields post-invasion excess deaths = 7,800 x 27 x 4 = 842,000 i.e. 0.8 million.
    However taking the 2006 Johns Hopkins data but using a Jordan/Syria comparative baseline of 4 deaths per 1,000 per year (as opposed to a baseline of 5.5 deaths per 1,000 per year for pre-invasion Iraq after 12 years of crippling Sanctions) gives an annual excess death rate of 9.3 per 1,000 i.e. 9,300 per million and post-invasion excess deaths totalling 9,300 x 27 x 4 = 1,004,400 i.e. 1.0 million as of March 2007.
    These estimates are consonant with 3 other estimates from 3 independent medical literature and UN Agency data sets.
    The vastly lower Iraq Body Count estimate is of violent deaths only (ignoring the huge civilian deaths from egregious deprivation associated with racist US Asian wars) and from media reports (notoriously unreliable as discussed in the peer-reviewed paper in The Lancet by Dr Burnham and his colleagues from Johns Hopkins) .
    The UN estimates that there are 3.8 million Iraqi refugees and WHO estimates that the “total annual per capita medical expenditure” in Occupied Iraq is merely $64 - as compared to $23 for Occupied Afghanistan, $2,389 (UK), $2,874 (Australia) and $5,711 (US) (2003 figures).
    The 1 million post-invasion Iraqi excess deaths constitutes an Iraqi Holocaust largely due to Coalition violation of the Geneva Conventions that demand that Occupiers keep their conquered subjects ALIVE.
    Three quarters of the people of Iraq are Women and Children. The Bush War on Terror is in harsh reality a War on Women and Children, and more specifically a War on Asian Women and Children.
    This on-going Anglo-American crime against humanity (1 million post-invasion Iraqi excess deaths, 3.8 million refugees) has reached the magnitude of the British-overseen 1845-1850 Irish Famine (An Gorta Mór; 1 million dead, 2 million refugees).
    We are obliged to inform everyone about gross abuses of humanity - please inform everyone you know. Will British media in general - or , as in Orwell’s 1984, do they accept that “ignorance is strength” and that “2 plus 2 does not equal 4”?
    It should be noted that Germany is proposing that the EU criminalize minimizing or ignoring of ANY genocidal or man-made holocaust event (i.e. as an extension of widespread criminalization of denial of the WW2 Jewish Holocaust in Western Europe).
    Bush etal should be indicted on war crimes and crimes against humanity. Bush and Cheney the most impeachable individuals in US history.

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    By R, March 19, 2007 at 10:14 am Link to this comment
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    We’re gonna spread democracy through the region and be welcomed as liberators. Yeah, that sure happened. What a joke this administration is. It would be funny if it wasn’t so incredibly terrifying and sad. I am ashamed for my country’s actions and grieve for all of those hurt by what has gone on. This war is a disgrace to our once-proud nation, and George Bush should be impeached without a second thought. It’s too bad Congress doesn’t even have the balls to cut funding, let alone impeach the president.

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    By GW=MCHammered, March 19, 2007 at 10:12 am Link to this comment
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    It’s about time Capitol Hill threw down the binky, picked up the gavel and cleaned house… the White House! What have the BU$Ħ-ÇHξИξY-ЯOVξ thugs got on Congress anyway? Is everyone in Washington that dirty? Or is BU$Ħ holding Congressional families hostage?

    9/11
    No WMDs
    Plame Gate
    Abu Ghraib
    Walter Reed
    Voter Fraud
    Kyoto Breakdown
    War for Profit
    Un-Armed Forces
    Undermanned Troops
    Humvees for Cougars
    Undermined Wages
    Botched Global Trade
    Oppressed Science
    Overpriced Education
    Screwed up Healthcare
    Failure in New Orleans
    NSA Wiretapping Scandal
    Skyrocketing fuel prices
    All Children Left Behind
    Assault on the Middle Class
    Attack on the Justice System
    Open Borders yet the biggest Security Entourage in the world
    Spinning, lying and blaming on and on yet no accountability

    Time for a choice: simple impeachment from office… all three join our plundered National Guard, boots on the ground… or face imposed permanent and impoverished exile in Baghdad.

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    By Frostedflakes, March 19, 2007 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
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    Thank you middle America for giving us eight years of the Bush/Cheney regime. Way to go!!! Who’s next??

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    By JohnDWoodSr, March 19, 2007 at 8:01 am Link to this comment
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    Indeed, what’s to be proud of? There’s a good reason why pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

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    By James Yell, March 19, 2007 at 6:31 am Link to this comment
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    There are so many things not to be proud of and not just the lies told that contradicted the facts involving Iraq.

    The most painful thing I have seen regarding our lack of honor in this undertaking was the film strip I saw showing the military vehicles (although I believe it was said they were driven by private soldiers of the US corporations) plowing thru the traffic knocking Iraq’s going about their daily lives off the road. I believe that everytime this happens we lose any hope of being anything but an occupying foriegn power in Iraq.

    The Iraq’s can’t be expected to tell the difference between private US and Military US and beside private armies should not be allowed and if they must be there, they should be controled and arrests made when they behave badly.

    The rest of the unfortunate arrogance involved in this enterprise is covered suffciently that obtuseness is the only explaination for anyone believing this is anything but the result of the lies and arrogance and disregard of laws and humanity by this Bush/Cheney Administration.

    The very type of political chicanery that our Constitution and Laws were supposed to protect us from and the result of Republican disregard for our laws and a passive and submissive Democratic Party, bought off by corporate money.

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