To all those not familiar with the history of the region, let me use an analogy, that I’m sure, is understood by all.South Africa. We have to remember that There was no such thing as Israel until recently, and inorder for it to have come about, Palestine was wiped off the map. The horrors that occur there are trivialised, and the voices of justice and reason ignored. America, Australia, New zealand, South Africa and many other countries in the world today can not and will not look at the situation as they should. They themselves are living on land stolen from the native people, who have been marginalised and ignored. There is no justice so how can we expect peace? Would you under the terms proposed? I’d think not.

dick, how wrong you are.if you look at most wars, they are started by lack of religous morals.look at most of the recent wars and massacres. they have been caused by fascism,communism,imperialism,nationalism, capitalism(greed)and the new satanic religion of forcing democracy on people for their oil!!
so goiong back to the problem called israel.this has nothing to do with religion because jews,christians and muslims have lived there together in peace.the problem arose when the zionists(non religous)began to ethnically cleanse the country of muslims and christians because of their racist aparthied ideology. i think even secularists will have to agree that every person has the right to protect his own property from being stolen.  this war is not between mslim/jew/christian but between good and evil.

Once again Israel ruled out peace with the Palestinians, while Israel does not renounce its own far worse state violence and terrorism; not recognize Palestine as a fully-sovereign and contiguous state as well as not recognize the Palestinians as a people (except for the PLO, to make the one-sided Oslo deal); and not fully respect and honor past deals.

For over 31 years, the Palestinians have been a “partner for peace” making huge compromises, but Israel has acted in bad faith and been untrustworthy to deal with. Since the mid-1970s, Palestinian leaders have repeatedly proposed full peace settlements based on the exchange of land for peace, only to have Israel reject or ignore them.

For example, in January 1976, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Yasser Arafat’s Palestinian Liberation--solidly supported by the UN General Assembly--brought a resolution to the U.N. Security Council calling for a settlement based on Israel’s return to its pre-June 1967 borders, “with appropriate arrangements to guarantee the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of all states in the region and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries"(S/11940). The draft resolution incorporated the basic wording of UN resolution 242, supplemented by a call for a Palestinian state in the occupied territories (UN 242 and 338 are binding on Israel as a foreign occupying power and have been the basic framework for peace since 1967). In the Security Council, only one country voted against this peace proposal--the U.S.--thus vetoing this draft resolution, on behalf of Israel. In April 1980, U.S. again vetoed a draft SC resolution (S/13911) almost identical to the 1976 resolution. This 1980 veto was from Jimmy Carter’s administration.

This 1976 peace proposal has been often renewed in various peace proposals almost every year since, including in the Saudi peace proposal and in UN General Assembly resolutions. Thus an international consensus--including the Palestinians--has backed, for the past quarter century, the “two-state” settlement (i.e., the full-withdrawal and full-recognition formula). Btw, currently Israel’s position on the Saudi peace plan is this: Israel wants everything and more it can get out of the Saudi proposal in exchange for—nothing. Israel is unwilling to do the three things asked of it. It’s this ‘I Win - You Lose’, ‘gimme, gimme, gimme’ negotiating position of Israel that has blocked peace. So it’s a myth that Israel wants real peace with the Palestinians.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/april2002/0204008.html

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff385256 17b006d88d7/696d540fd7821bce0525651c00736250!OpenDocument& Highlight=2,S/11940

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/d0242e9e210d9375852 56c6e0054df8a?OpenDocument

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/1ce874ab1832a53e85257 0bb006dfaf6/f9402cd9657d7cd585256e3e006d69c9!OpenDocument

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The truth is that Israel wants the Palestinians to disappear and will never accept Arabs in “their” country if they think they could get rid of them.  The BEST thing for the world would be the disappearance of Israel.

OMIGAWDD-those facist Israelis are up to it again. I mean can you believe it??!!-they STILL refuse to negotiate with murdering terrorists who want to kill them and have a long history of trying to, sometimes with considerable success. I guess if Bin Laden had announced on the evening news on 9-11 that he was now ready to listen to the American Imperialist Warmongers, at least to “hear their initial negotiating position” thats what we should have done.
Hey its not as utterly insane as it sounds-really think a “president nader” wouldn’t have had SEVERAL advisors urging him to do just that.

Fatah, hamas, al quaeda, facisti, peronists, nazis, etc etc etc, are PAST the point of no return. If the “palestinians” want to negotiate a just peace in good faith, just stop the killing now, stop the planning for the killing now, stop the supporting or hiding of those who are planning the killing now, or EVER, and they will find Israel receptive.
Otherwise, enough WAS ENOUGH a long time ago-eventually Israel may perish. Forget the so-called “palestinians"-will even Islam itself survive the damage Israel will inflict, if need be, in its final self defense against the Herods and Crusaders and Hitlers of the new millenium, and ALL their mindless, religious-maniac, oil-militatry industry-inspired dupes?

Some Muslim and Jewish neighbors in Palestime want to kill each other, as they have been doing for many years. We cannot change it.  History shows us there is nothing as powerful as religion to incite humans to eagerly torture and murder each other.

If “Israel will not deal with this new government”, so this government will not deal with Irael either. That means an eye for an eye.