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Edwards’ Iraq Vote ExplainedPosted on Mar 14, 2007
In an upcoming memoir, Bob Shrum, former adviser to John Edwards, says he pushed the then-senator to vote for the Iraq war authorization out of concern for his political future. Edwards denies the claim, saying of his vote: “It was not a political calculation. ... It was a mistake.”
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By sniffingratty, October 14, 2007 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
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the is a BIG LIE staring us in the face right here.
Edwards was on the Senate Intelligence Committe reviewing the classified documents that the pentagon chalked up against Iraq, mainly the bogus charges about procuring nuclear material from africa. these documents have since been released, and the documents themsleves show that the evidence was highly suspect.
basically he was one of 16 on the commmitte who knew that the president was lieing to us, yet he said nothing and still voted for it.
i don’t call that a mistake i call that treason.
Report thisBy Ernest Canning, March 19, 2007 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment
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Edwards’ mea culpa qualifies him to run again—as candidate for VP on a Kucinich/Edwards ticket!
Report thisBy Terry Sloth, March 15, 2007 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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Illgramaticus knee okaun,
Your comments show that you are a condescending misogynist, whose political analyses are so reactionary they are not worth discussing; in fact you should call yourselfIGNORAMUS OBNOXIOUS
Report thisBy is this guy actually blaming his wife, March 15, 2007 at 4:15 am Link to this comment
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for his vote? Geez Louise.
Report thisBy Christopher Robin, March 14, 2007 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment
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I have to admit tho, the right wing sure has made Edwards their Poster Boy, I think they fear their wallets might be in jeopardy…RED ALERT!
So they get Limbaugh, and Bimbo (Coulter) to alarm the inbreds!
Don’t worry Edwards as establishment as Hillary, Obama. The bark is far worse than the bite.
The major republican and democrat candidates are meeting in NY with Bear Stearns to make their pitch and collect campaign contributions.
Somehow, I think they do more listening than pitching??.
“why is Edward so popular and the should be hero of the left, Kucinich is not ???? Gee !!”
Big Money, the press, and the party take Edwards seriously, He was the vice presidential candidate in the previous national election, so he has wide name recognition and connections.
Kucinich is ridiculed, much of it coming from the DLC (“New Democrats”) and press who represent money interests. They don’t want him, or fund him. He might actually change things.
Recall the hit on Howard Dean’s campaign? He was talking populist and was ahead in the primaries ...Then suddenly, overnight his “yeee haaa” became national news re-run on loops with commentary that he was a nut.
The guy just won a major primary, with money raised on the internet, defying the big league control,and was at a post election rally of supporters? Come on, give me a break?
Well the demonizing worked, and we ended up with Kerry, who is somewhat charismically challenged.
Dean has fight, and he fights back at the Republicans…Something not seen since maybe perhaps Truman….By the way he was right about the Iraq war, and opposed it clearly, at a time it wasn’t popular to do so.
A guy with courage of his convictions. I wish I could see more of that quality now.
In this world, Kucinich is left to fend for himself, and Nadar probably won’t enter the democratic party just to be marginalized.
Report thisBy Dennis D, March 14, 2007 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment
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I’m no longer interested in the “mistakes” these clowns made and unfortunately are still making, I want to know what the hell they intend to do now, today to correct them. Their “mistakes” cost others lives and limbs and themselves probably not so much as a sleepless night. Put the scumbags that voted for the war in the war and then see how long they want to stay there. Let’s see if they’re willing to sacrifice their lives for their politics. NONE wanting to come home in a body bag for Bu$h Inc. - would be a fairly accurate count.
Report thisBy Carl Baydala, March 14, 2007 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment
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America has global ambitions and has the means to achieve those aims. If I was an American I don’t think I could vote for the likes of Edwards or Hillary Clinton. I know I could never vote for a Republican candidate.
The problem with America is the military industrial complex. The people who own these businesses have moved the country towards dictatorial status in the pursuit of their goals. People and politicians are only tools to these influential people who own a great deal of the wealth of the nation.
No fence sitting, liberal democrat who supports war, either by mistake or by design is going to make a difference to the United States or to the world. When you hear a presidential candidate stand up and say that he is going to do whatever he can to stand up to these people who believe in war and an economy based on war then you should be running to greet him with open arms.
And, lest we forget, it was a Republican, President Dwight D. Eisenhower who warned us about these people currently in charge of all manner of things concerning war.
Report thisBy Wolfgang Marquardt, March 14, 2007 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment
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His stand on the war aside, Edwards is selling himself as a man of the people. I wonder how in the world he justifies a 28000 square feet home. That is the real insult here! Of course Mr. Green’s (Al Gore) house is just a small 10000 square feet.
What are these people thinking, what gives them the right to suck up all of our resources. A consumption tax is needed for these folks.
So to me Edwards is not an option anymore, especially after his comment ‘I earned it’.
Report thisBy Terry Sloth, March 14, 2007 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment
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“dont believe him ladies !!!! dont believe a word that come outs of this ambulance chasers mouth !!”
Illgramaticus knee okaun,
Report thisYour comments show that you are a condescending misogynist, whose political analyses are so reactionary they are not worth discussing; in fact, you should call yourself-IGNORAMUS OBNOXIOUS.
By Jeff Badura, March 14, 2007 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment
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don’t believe him ladies !!!! don’t believe a word that come outs of this ambulance chasers mouth !! this guy is a snake oil salesman !!! i know I’m a conservative so your going to dismiss what i say as sour grapes !!! but I’m a big fan of politics !! and this guy is a slug !!! and he’s going after the most gullible part of the electorate “the soft hearted liberal women” everything he says is tailor made to pander to your vote !! you are the Dem party !!! don’t be fooled !!! beware ladies he will make you cry and you’ll find him attractive and you’ll vote for him and he stands for nothing but himself !!!
why is Edward so popular and the “should be” hero of the left, Kucinich is not ???? Gee !!
i wonder why ??? what did Kerry say “he has good hair” you guys are being played by a “Southern slow talking” fast talking lawyer !!
Illgramaticus knee o’kaun
PS - “I’m the son of a mill worker”.........“somewhere in America a 6 yr old girl is going to bed hungry”.............“we can do it, we can do it together”
Report thisBy ST, March 14, 2007 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment
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Actually, this is what Edwards’ fixed position on Iran is:
“It’s a huge strategic mistake not to be dealing directly with Iran,” Edwards told the Associated Press in an interview before a campaign event in Dubuque.
“What we should be doing with Iran, both on the Iraq issue and the nuclear issue, is being much smarter than we’re being now. We have tools available to us to engage them.”
America’s relationship with Iran emerged as a hot topic last week amid reports the Iranian government was shipping armor-piercing weapons to militias in Iraq…
...Edwards said Bush’s reluctance to open diplomatic lines with Iran and Syria was costing the United States in its efforts to stabilize Iraq. The former North Carolina senator said the U.S. and its European allies have the leverage and resources to enlist Iran’s cooperation.
“The way for America to engage them on this issue is to use the economic tools available ... to make it clear if they are willing to give up their nuclear weapons we are willing to make nuclear fuel available to them,” he told the AP.
Edwards said the United States should offer a serious package of economic incentives and make it public, “so the Iranian people, who have not been historically anti-American, know that we’ve made this offer ... and hopefully drive a deeper wedge between a radical leader (Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) and his own people.”
http://wfrv.com/politics/politicsnational_story_050000306.html
Edwards has a practical view. No President ever takes the military option off of the table, because it is “always” an option. However, there is a “smart” way to deal with Iran.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2907095
Report thisBy Christopher Robin, March 14, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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Wind shear, it’s a bummer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_shear
Report thisBy Quy Tran, March 14, 2007 at 9:59 am Link to this comment
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Everybody had been duped by Bush/Cheney through Karl Rove magic and sordid schemes.
We have to blame ourselves. They have cheated us but no more than one.
Nobody wants to call them King or V.P. but cheaters, cheaters and cheaters until they’re disappeared from this world.
Report thisBy Oregoncharles, March 14, 2007 at 8:21 am Link to this comment
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Edwards is right: it certainly was a mistake.
I believe Shrum: calling together his advisors is exactly what a pol would and should do before a difficult vote.
The trouble for Edwards is that we on the outside knew that there were no WMD’s - Scott Ritter was going around the country telling the world; and telling John Kerry. So if Edwards, like the other Congresspeople, didn’t know, it’s because he was negligent or deaf. Or supported the war.
Edwards has at least tried to make up for his mistake, and has an overall populist record. On the other hand, he’s still making the same mistake, this time on Iran. I don’t think I’d vote for him, but I might for his wife.
Report thisBy Eleanore Kjellberg, March 14, 2007 at 7:37 am Link to this comment
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Bob Shrum writes in his memoir to be published in June that he regrets advising Edwards to give President Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq. He said if Edwards had followed his instincts instead of the advice of political professionals, he would have been a stronger presidential candidate in 2004.
Edwards was NOT the Presidential candidate in 2004 he was the Vice-Presidential candidate; and we might want to ask why Kerry, a more seasoned politician and once outspoken activist against the Vietnam War, voted in favor of the Iraq invasion.
In fact 98 percent of the senators voted to go to war, and many of these senators have been in the senate for far more than four years. Many of these senior members were on committees that had direct access to intelligence reports about Iraq and WMDS-so why did all these supposed liberals vote for the war-was it all just a political calculation-was everyone intimidated by the Bush administration, was everyone apprehensive that they would appear unpatriotic or weak.
Book publishers, only publish books to make money; they want a kiss and tell scoop—if authors cant offer that kind of information, theyre not interested and wont give your manuscript the light of day-so who knows, and who cares whether Edwards listened to the poor advice of Shrum, or listened to the misinformation of Bill Clinton, its not important.
What is significant is that Edwards has publicly stated many times that his VOTE WAS A MISTAKE and has demonstrated, humility and character in admitting his blunder-something we have YET TO SEE FROM HILARY.
Report thisBy Max, March 14, 2007 at 6:29 am Link to this comment
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I suspect the meeting happened but there’s really no news here. Whether Edwards was calculating - of course he was even if it was caluculating that Bush would not use the military option - really is mute. What goes on in a person’s mind is not something we can discern by a meeting. The final decision, by him to vote yea, may have had the influence of that meeting…
What I’m concerned about is not his position on Iraq - that’s done and he’s made it very clear where he stands. No, I’m concerned about his Middle East (and world) view and use of force to continue the hegemony. His meetings with right-wing Israeli planners (along with GOP headliners) raises some real concerns about where he would take this country in support of an agenda for Middle East domination in conjunction with the plans of the Lukid party.
Read what Edwards has to say about invading Iran in a conference: Herzliya Conference in Israel
http://chris-bowers.mydd.com/story/2007/2/4/9581/41089
We need are the kinds of debates- with questioners like Amy Goodman - that are needed and the sooner we know where these candidates stand with regard to the trajectory laid by 100 years of American growing empire and imperialistic actions - which cannot be sustained (there will be an economic and governmental collapse if it is continued) the better we can judge the leadership we require in a world (and nation) which rejects US foreign plans of domination.
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