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Ear to the Ground

Experts Agree: We Have Lost the War

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Posted on Mar 13, 2007
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Rolling Stone gathered notables ranging from Zbigniew Brzezinski to Juan Cole to learn their takes on the future of Iraq. They agreed on one thing: The war is lost. Gen. Tony McPeak (ret.), formerly of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, put it this way: “Even if we had a million men to go in, it’s too late now.”


Rolling Stone:

The war in Iraq isn’t over yet, but—surge or no surge—the United States has already lost. That’s the grim consensus of a panel of experts assembled by Rolling Stone to assess the future of Iraq. “Even if we had a million men to go in, it’s too late now,” says retired four-star Gen. Tony McPeak, who served on the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Gulf War. “Humpty Dumpty can’t be put back together again.”

Those on the panel—including diplomats, counterterror analysts and a former top military commander—agree that President Bush’s attempt to secure Baghdad will only succeed in dragging out the conflict, creating something far beyond any Vietnam-style “quagmire.” The surge won’t bring an end to the sectarian cleansing that has ravaged Iraq, as the newly empowered Shiite majority seeks to settle scores built up during centuries of oppressive rule by the Sunni minority. It will do nothing to defuse the powder keg that an independence-minded Kurdistan, in Iraq’s northern provinces, poses to the governments of Turkey, Syria and Iran, which have long brutalized their own Kurdish separatists. And it will only worsen the global war on terror.

“Our invasion and occupation has created a cauldron that will continue to draw in the players in the Middle East for the foreseeable future,” says Michael Scheuer, who led the CIA’s hunt for Osama bin Laden. “By taking out Saddam, we have allowed the jihad to move 1,000 kilometers west, where it can project its power, its organizers, its theology into Turkey—and from Turkey into Europe.”

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By Dale Headley, March 14, 2007 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment
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Whether or not we have “lost” this war is a moot question; because, for as long as Bush or any neocon who might follow him in the White House continues to see oil and glory in the sands of Iraq, they will never cease sending in generations of young Americans to fight and die.

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By Bert, March 14, 2007 at 10:31 am Link to this comment
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I’ve read Rolling Stone many times, and they’ll print just about anything, but, then again, so will CNN etc., these days, it’s all become tabloid tear-jerker journalism. It kind of makes you wonder if there’s still any kind of drug testing worthy of the name that goes on in the vicinity of journalism school, or if the board of editors reviews their outgoing content in any way resembling a thorough fashion.

Here’s the deal: If they keep fighting the ‘war’ the way they have been, then yes, they’ve ‘lost’.
Then again, there’s no doubt in my mind that if they wanted to, Iraq could pretty much be reduced to rubble. But, the point is, the whole thing is really pointless. War, itself, is pretty pointless. Winning the PEACE is the real challenge, and that’s probably better left to the Peace Corps(hence the name) than to the war dept.
Machine guns make really crappy shovels, and rhetoric doesn’t feed hungry kids, nor rebuild homes, nor the rest of it, nor for that matter, does it pay down our national debt. Deeds, not words, win the day, at the end of the day.
But, chances are, there’ll be more of the same,
and this thing will drag on and on and on, with another ‘surge’, and another ‘surge’, and and and, or, we could get REALLY smart, say petroleum’s just become too big a national liability for us to keep using it, and throw hundreds of billions instead into green-tech.
That’s showing a lot of signs of promise, and I’m all for it, and I’m proud of Bush for having spoken up for it. Let’s have the oil companies out of washington, and an end to the whole charade.

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By PREDATOR, March 14, 2007 at 10:13 am Link to this comment
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This is a victory by the terrorists over the U.S.OBL and his associates could not have imagined that their victory would be so easy with so few casualties, 19. This victory compares to Thermopylae and Masada which actually pale in comparison to their WTC victory. Bush2 aided and abetted the terrorists by doing what they couldn’t accomplish. It is collective U.S. ego which can’t admit this reality because it is so simple. How could the principals of the Constitution be so easily and obviously annulled and how did this nation end up being a country of gullible fools?

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By Jackie T. Gabel, March 14, 2007 at 12:22 am Link to this comment
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They didn’t come to win a war, only to fail a state; what they have in mind for the entire region: nothing but failed states, failed and desperate.

In the meantime, US forces may abandon Bagdad, but the bases will remain and CIA/MI-6/Mossad-run death squads and bombers will continue to terrorize the region into total chaos. Eventually the factions will agree to anything and the US will step back in as the “peacekeepers,” and make sure all deals are done in dollars.

Panels like these are pathetically transparent “limited hangouts.” This erases all doubt, Rolling Stone’s a “rich asset,” probably has been for decades.

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By l.s,, March 13, 2007 at 11:09 pm Link to this comment
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way to go bush!
dumb_uck!

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By republicansSScareme, March 13, 2007 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment
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The cowards and liars running things had convinced themselves that Might makes Right.

Now that everything has gone wrong, they will try to blame their disaster on the Democrats/progressives/peaceniks and anyone else…as they are already trying to do.

Isn’t it fun to be in a war where we’re the bad guys?  Again?

Impeach Bush and his whole gang.  Let these people know that Americans don’t tolerate bald-faced immorality.

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By Nick Scotto, March 13, 2007 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment
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It doesn’t take an expert to tell us that we’ve lost the war! That WAS the plan all along! Losing is winning in bush/cheney/rove/rumsfeld’s etc sick, distorted Orwellian minds! They have their bases, the oil and Halliburton and the rest of the military industrial complex have raped and robbed this country 1,000 times over! All in plain site.

All in the name of 9/11 to keep us “safe”. Sickening.

When is the main stream media going to seriously investigate what really happened on 9/11 and demand a new, true investigation??

Why can’t the people in this country “connect the dots” that they made 9/11 happen to accomplish everything that has come to pass??

Please watch the Google videos:
9/11 Press for Truth
9/11 Mysteries

We can and WILL handle the truth!!

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By Rob, March 13, 2007 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment
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We lost the war? Didn’t Bush say “Mission Accomplished”?

How exactly could this war have been won? Whenver I pose this question to pro-war supporters, they dodge it and resort to the usually anti-liberal insults.

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By Dennis D, March 13, 2007 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment
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It’s nice to see that the “experts” have finally come to the same conclusion as at least 2/3 of the American people. But then all the “experts” had to do was ask why GWB Sr. stopped where he did in the first Gulf War. Unfortunately Junior has successfully proven the theory of de-evolution and couldn’t or wouldn’t figure the same thing out.

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By Ed, March 13, 2007 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment
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Our country,our beloved home is in crisis,sadly on the edge of a disaster,where is the outrage, where is the people, are they just gorging and grazing like cattle heading to slaughter?????

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By Steve Hammons, March 13, 2007 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment
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Has Iraq truly become another Vietnam? It is possible. These experts are saying the situation looks grim.

There seem to be many similar elements between the Iraq and Vietnam efforts. Yet, the two conflicts do have important differences.

The questions about what to do at this point are important, as well as what has happened to bring us to this point.

For more on these issues, the two articles below may be of interest:

“Going in circles: Vietnam, Iraq, calls for impeachment”

By Steve Hammons
Columnist, PopulistAmerica.com
Populist Party of America
January 14, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/going_in_circles_vietnam_iraq_calls_for_impeachment

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“Revisiting the Vietnam War era: The draft, casualties and the Kent State shootings”

By Steve Hammons
Columnist, PopulistAmerica.com
Populist Party of America
November 19, 2006

http://www.populistamerica.com/revisiting_the_vietnam_war_era

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By TAO Walker, March 13, 2007 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment
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All these “notables” seem to think all the really bad shit will be going-down “over there.”  That’s a damned fools’ bet if ever there was one.

Whatever else you can say about the neoCON gangbangers’ ineptitude, they’ve sure as hell succeded in manufacturing a genuinely global existential crisis, here in these latter days.  And everyday the web of deceit and violence and institutionalized insanity draws tighter around the mostly clueless herds of civilized humans all over the world.

There might’ve been a moment, even as recently as two or three months ago, when exposing the truth of 9/11 would’ve “monkey-wrenched” the whole scheme enough to derail at least some of its more outrageous ambitions.  But today the machinery of cover-up and dissimulation is well- oiled and humming right along (witness the knee-jerk obeisance to the official version by one of the “experts” on this panel), so that particular “window of opportunity” is probably pretty well nailed shut.

This likely means most people, including most americans, are going to be taken totally by surprise when the excrement impacts the ventilation system.  Only those who “....don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows,” stand a GhostDancers’ chance of finding shelter in what is left of humanity’s organic functional integrity….and natural organic form. 

That remains the one ceremonial lodge large enough to hold all 6-plus billion of us.  Even so it figures to be pretty “underpopulated” when the purifying tsunami has finished washing over the land….because our domesticated brothers and sisters have been programmed for generations to mistake their natural home for some uninhabitable wilderness.

Maybe business (and politics)-as-usual was all it took to get these clashing civilizations into their self-inflicted predicament.  Nothing at all available to the inmates from within the singular contraption itself will do anything but dig them in deeper….and that’s the truth.

HokaHey!

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By Quy Tran, March 13, 2007 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment
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The war in Iraq had been lost at the first day of invasion and not recently ! Don’t waste time to mention it.

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By Jeff badura, March 13, 2007 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment
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the war “on terror” will keep going for at least 20 yrs maybe 50 !!! Iraq is a theater in a much larger war on Islamic extremist !!! and the battle in Iraq is not over and its not lost !!! regardless of how much some wish it to be !!!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

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