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Posted on Mar 13, 2007

House Democrats have agreed to drop a provision from an upcoming war spending bill that would have required congressional approval before the president could declare war on Iran. The legislation, if it survives a veto, would still demand the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq by Sept. 1, 2008.


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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and other leaders agreed to remove the requirement concerning Iran after conservative Democrats as well as other lawmakers worried about its possible impact on Israel, officials said Monday.

The overall bill—which requires the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by Sept. 1, 2008, if not earlier—remained on schedule for an initial test vote Thursday in the House Appropriations Committee.

The measure provides nearly $100 billion to pay for two wars and includes more money than Bush had requested for operations in
Afghanistan and what Democrats called training and equipment shortages. Still, House Republicans said they wouldn’t support it and the White House threatened a veto.

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By Jeff Badura, March 14, 2007 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment
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this story was just posted yesterday! why remove it from the dialog so quick?

back to the Comment #58371 by Upyouns,
  a few thoughts for the true believer, first he is upset about the movie 300 ? so he prays death for the movie makers then he expands it to Bush and all of us !! all the posts in these parts jump on me for every statement but this guy prays death upon you and he gets total silence ??? it just goes to show you !!! the truth hurts on truthdig !! for you guys say these guys don’t exist ???

oh well even the story above says it all, the Dem’s will stop nothing just as Ive been telling you guys since i first posted here !! the Dem’s are feckless to feckless to fight the war and to feckless to try to stop it !!!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

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By TAO Walker, March 13, 2007 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment
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A couple of months ago this site featured articles and comments filled with optimistic expectations for the “new” Congress.  A few urged a more cautious wait-and-see stance.  Those even fewer who took the “Meet the new boss, same as…..” approach were not much welcome at the festivities.

Today more people than not acknowledge that only the names have been changed (to protect the unimpeachable?), while the shuck goes on and on. These erstwhile believers that “the system works” are now wringing their hands in puzzlement and consternation at the “spineless Democrats” (to take just one of many similarly uncomplimentary epithets thrown at that hapless bunch) here today. 

A frequent commentor on this site has said several times in plain words, and offered evidence, that on 9/11 the (already less-than-legitimate) U.S. government fell to a coup carried-out by powerful rogue elements inside and outside that government, including key military officers.  The plotters gave POTUS a quite convincing demonstration of his own and his family’s utter vulnerability to whatever consequences they might decide to visit upon the George W. Bushes.  They also issued a credible threat to launch a nuclear strike on Russia, if the man with the paper asshole didn’t agree to be their front-man.  The rest is that “....tale told by an idiot….” which passes here in these latter days for history.

There is no expiration date, either, on the “guarantee” embodied in that iron fist gripping whatever it is Dubya hides in his tightie-whities.  He won’t ever dare spill-the-beans on his controllers….even if he lives to build that set of bookshelves in Crawford, and on into a ripe if not very edifying old age.

Five hundred thirty-five members of Congress, many of them already subject to effective manipulative pressures just on account of their personal foibles and professional fuck-ups (and/or vice versa), were no great obstacles to the same co-optation on essentially the same extremely prejudicial terms as were dictated to Cheney’s sock-puppet at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.  Nor, for this Indian’s money, was JFKerry in 2004. 

What the hand-wringers and write-your-congress-persons urgers here just don’t seem to grasp is that their world now runs entirely on gangster rules.  The cardinal rule, the only rule, is FEAR.  They are living (if you can call it that) under what is in actual fact, and not just “theoretically possible” anymore, a reign of terror….and those most subject to it are those a few tiers up in the global pyramid scheme who think they have more than the rest of us (who occupy the ground floor, and, if only we knew it, have only our “chains”) to lose.

There is no use looking for help from anyone in Washington, D.C.  Those among its official denizens not busily building-up their own sacred fortunes are fully engaged in “fixing the intelligence” and cooking the government’s account books.  Theirs is a perfectly Darwinian world….a world of predators (themselves) and prey (theamericanpeople, to whom they pay such lip-service, and anybody anywhere else who has anything worth stealing).

“Wishin’ and hopin’ and hopin’ and wishin’....” will not get Americans out of this mess.  Nor will waiting around for somebody else to swoop down out of the clouds and say some magic words.  It’s Americans’ mess.  They paid “good” money (not to mention “blood sweat and tears”) for it.  Now they can either clean it up themselves, or perish in it.

HokaHey!

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By Dennis D, March 13, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment
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Vote third party or don’t bother voting at all if you want to see change. It may not happen overnight but it won’t happen at all until enough people wake up to the scam know as the two party political system. The party they’re having is on all of us.

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By Jeff Badura, March 13, 2007 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
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to the Comment #58371 by Upyouns on 3/13 at 11:48 am he says “Praise be to Allah.  Looking forward to a greening of the world and the riddance of all infidels, especially the immoral film makers and the leader of the Great Satan – Bush.  Thank you for you help. Praise be to Allah.  Death to all infidels”

hello people !!! this means you !!! he is praying for your death !!! look and see for yourself !!! stop blaming the USA and Bush and blame the source !!! Islamic extremism !! in its own words

illgramaticus knee o’kauns

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By Christopher Robin, March 13, 2007 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment
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“Culture of Impotence”

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By vet240, March 13, 2007 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment
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Once again we see the power of special interests taking precedence over the will of the American people.

This time it’s the Israelis. Our Government has been taken from us by a small minority of the population and apparently we can’t do a damn thing about it.

Some years back a three star general complained publicly that the Israelis had too much power in this country, three days later he was gone proving his point. I feel our Government subsidizes the Jewish state in order to maintain a wedge in the middle East.

That goal is made much easier by the Jewish lobby with their money and power strongly positioned in our nations capital.

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By Upyouns, March 13, 2007 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment
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Praise be to Allah.  Looking forward to a greening of the world and the riddance of all infidels, especially the immoral film makers and the leader of the Great Satan – Bush.  Thank you for you help. Praise be to Allah.  Death to all infidels.

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By Max, March 13, 2007 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Yell, the Congress needs to stiplulate that the resolution that passed in 2003 does not apply to Iran. A pretext for going into Iran on the 2003 resolution is an option today, and given the vote of our spineless congress, into the future.

That said, it is clear that the AIPAC lobby has pulled the congress in Israel’s right-wing direction. Israel has had a number of faces. At one time the face was that of Holocaust victims without a homeland, kabutz’s sprouted up which looked to be an elgalitarian disposition and prone to argricultural community living, a progressive vision.

But concurrent with that face, has been the face of violance and war making and now military terrorism against the Palestinians. This face has taken over. It dominates the politics of fear, and has coopted the Holocaust and the sorrows of the past to force their will on the Middle East region. It is a tragic story for Judiaism; a narrative which will not go away.

AIPAC has been in the middle of spying against US - so yes, its hard to unravel the kind of twisted relationship that exists between our government and the Israeli government. But I don’t think it’s a “friendship”. It’s pathological and convenient for leveraging force and hegemony. One hand washing the other.

I think the hope by the neocons and AIPAC is that US citizens will be confused by the many faces Israel has shown, the Jewish past, the horror of the Holocaust and diaspora and will, in our confusion, allow the Israel war machine to dominate with US cover. Iran is simply part of that strategy. AIPAC got the pledge from the US congress this week when they meet and our congressional leaders went and genuflected.

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By David, March 13, 2007 at 11:50 am Link to this comment
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Dale Headley hits the nail on the head:

“The Democrats, bowing to the Israeli lobby, have once again ceded their oversight authority in the declaration of war to President Bush.”

Yup. Not only is the Israel lobby the prime mover dragging us to war against Iran, but it is also a major force keeping us in Iraq.

Witness Cheney’s recent speech before AIPAC, accusing antiwar Congress members of betraying the troops.

Cheney is not noted for giving speeches before groups who do not applaud his policies. Nor does AIPAC suffer invited speakers to advance policies not approved by Israel.

Thus it is perfectly clear: Israel wants us stuck in Iraq, and Israel wants us to bomb Iran to smithereens - without any legitimate justification, and damn the catastrophic consequences.

Israel controls our foreign policy. We are just supposed to shut up and provide our sons and dauthers - and all of our money - for Israel’s wars.

If we object, we’re “anti-Semites”.

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By Toby, March 13, 2007 at 11:39 am Link to this comment
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Well now we know what having the first woman Speaker means don’t we?

It means moving from the Culture of Corruption the republican dominated Congress exemplified, to the Culture of Cowardice.

Dominated by democrats, this Congress exemplifies “Oh golly gees, lets just go along to get along.” Kinda like the abused housewife syndrome, eh?

Not that I don’t have great sympathy for the abused housewife, especially the one that doesn’t know there are groups out there who can help her. But when she knows there’s help and chooses to go on being abused, it gets a little hard to understand.

Like this democrat congress. They know how the majority of their constituents feel about the War in Iraq. But I guess they are so afraid of the bully that might push them around if they actually try to do anything about it, they wont. We stand behind positive action to stop the bully, even if it means Impeachment. They prefer to ignore us and cower in fear.

They know if they allow the bully to start another war based on lies, (Iran) he will put an even greater strain on our military, will cost even more money, and certainly many more lives. But their fear is so all-consuming they would rather face the abject failure which will surely come with another illegal war than come together and show true courage. I guess in this instance, like the abused housewife who chooses to defend her abuser, they deserve all the abuse that is being heaped on them.

But there’s another corollary here. The wife that cheats. How does one juggle keeping the bully happy and keeping the lover at bay. How does one explain that double standard to those who came out in great support to help? How does one do that?

The classic triangle. The bully, (Bush) the abused housewife (Congress) and the lover. (Israel)

No room in there for We The People!

Oh I know its got to be tough. That lover has given so much money to the campaigns, the party. There must be the feeling of obligation to pay back. But what about the obligation to the citizens who gave the democrats majority control?

The majority of citizens who voted last November supported this democrat congress under the impression that they really cared. About themselves and their dignity. About us and our concerns. And about bringing the bully to accountability. And now we learn they don’t have what it takes to fight the good fight. Pity. We had such high hopes.

The bully and his gang will happily continue to sacrifice this country, our military and their own credibility to support runaway corporate greed and the wishes of Israel. It appears this democrat congress will happily do the same in favor of taking money and pledging their allegiance to a foreign nation.

Go figure.

Guess when it comes right down to it, having a democrat Woman as Speaker of the House isn’t a whole lot different than having a republican Male Speaker of the House. They both kowtow to the same masters. George W. Bush and Israel.

I think the saddest commentary on all of this has to be how great is the contempt for the Constitution of the United States and Constitutional Law the majority of our politicians (both party’s) display.

You all should place your oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States at the top of your agenda. And you all should pledge allegiance to the United States First, Second, Third and ALWAYS!

Shame, shame on all of you. Placing allegiance to another nation above the safety and security of your own nation, your own military and your own citizens must be bordering on treason!

So much for placing faith in the democrats!

What a monumental disappointment.

Shame on all of you!

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By Tom Weidermeijer, March 13, 2007 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
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I am disgusted with this new Congress.  I did not expect them to get far, with just a slim majority, but I expected them to have some backbone and stick to their morals. 

I know a lot of bills will not get passed and even if they do they will be vetoed, but stand up for what you believe in.  Do not waste everyone’s time with ‘non-binding’ resolutions.

I understand bi-partisanship, but that does not mean backing down on everything.

CONGRESS:  Please, please, please do not let Chimpy McFlightsuit gets us in a war with Iran… either warranted or not (I don’t care). 

We do not need to be cleaning up W’s mess in the middle east for generations to come.  They will already have enough problems with what he has done as home.

Remember the GOP’s ‘Contract ON America’?  How about if the Dems do something like THAT, but in the correct direction???


Hey, I’m ‘Comment 12345’.  Can anyone beat a straight?

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By Christopher Robin, March 13, 2007 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
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Spineless, and it maybe time for a third party? So “us” “extreme fringe idiot liberals” will leave the tent and make more room for the “New Democrats” to operate freely?

(less discord, and disappointment this way.)

Then let them continue to try maintain they have the interests of the ordinary American at heart.

At least the progressive part of the party won’t be automaticly bestowing the mantle of champion of the little guy anymore.

Why be an enabler?

Let them sell their own sham.

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By Don Knutsen, March 13, 2007 at 11:09 am Link to this comment
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Its a shame we have such wimps in the democratic leadership of both the house and senate. You would hope, that after the last mid term elections they wouldv’e understood the sentiments of a majority of their constituants. But still, despite all the information of criminal wrongdoing on the part of this administration, despite all the damage they have done and unapologetically continue to do, the majority party for the most part are nothing more then republican lite. If we want this bu$h administration nitemare to end, then we the people are going to have to do more then bitch about whats going on to eachother. We all need to take the time to get engaged and write your elected representitives. Remind them first why they are there, and then remind them what a democracy is and their responsibility to represent the people, not any corporations, and not their professional political careers. What are they doing for the day to day concerns of most americans ? If passing a non-binding resolution is the best they can crank up the courage to do then what good are they to us ? Write your senators and representitives, demand they perform, vote them out as soon as you can when they don’t. For the shameless behavior of the republican party these past years, approving of every disasterous decision by this miserable administration, incl. the management of the war, the tax breaks for the wealthy, the dismantling of so many goverment agencies by replacing experience with the inept, an energy policie scripted by the oil industry, the banking industries reshuffling of their debt onto the backs of the same middle class they coerced into debt in the first place, the enviromental backpeddling, ( where to stop ) There are very few GOP politicians who don’t deserve the boot for refusing any kind of oversite, one of their prime responsibilities. and for the majority of the milktoast democrats, with the exception of a precious few, the same is true. This is not going to change untill we the people start demanding it…communicate your views to them, make them earn their salary for a change. They are there for more then speaking engagents and glad-handing folks at events. There is nothing that should be more important then finally holding the whole of this administration’s leadership accountable for the harm they have caused us and our children’s future.

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By Dale Headley, March 13, 2007 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
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It’s 2003 all over again.  The Democrats, bowing to the Israeli lobby, have once again ceded their oversight authority in the declaration of war to President Bush.  If and when (and this shifts the balance toward “when”) Bush decides to bomb Iran, he can smugly point out that the Democratic Congress recognized that he is the commander-in-chief and has the power to make war at his discretion.  The Democrats just can’t escape their cowardliness, even when the voters gave them the opportunity.

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By Bob the viewer, March 13, 2007 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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Once again AIPAC and Isreal have won in our Congress.  Congress’ job is to do what’s best for the USA not to continually support Israel against our own best interests.  The President should not be allowed to attack Iran without Congressional approval regardless of what AIPAC wants.  Never mind “the impact on Israel’, what about the impact on the USA?

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By better than this, March 13, 2007 at 9:42 am Link to this comment
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it’s getting hard to warn people about how this is going to blow them up. i just posted the exact truth here, and truthdig had a problem with that.
guess it’s little lord bush vs. all decent humanity.

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By better than this, March 13, 2007 at 9:37 am Link to this comment
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that’s it. america cannot take care of itself. boy bush, and the superstition of armageddon ( iran is the focus of that superstition, the atomic icon of white supremacist kkk death )is going to blow up the world for satanist self hating israeli billionaires.
religion and greed killing you and yours. were you lazy enough, mr. fat american ?

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By JohnDWoodSr, March 13, 2007 at 9:32 am Link to this comment
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I can’t believe that the chicken-wimps have caved in to the chicken-hawks yet again.The Democrats need to take positive action to reclaim their Constitutional rights regarding war powers. Agreeing to drop the Iran provision from this bill is an accomodation that seems to represent an abdication of responsibilty at a time when it must be re-affirmed. Let Bush veto the legislation-at least it forces the issue and puts the ball in the Bushies court. What really galls me is that the Dems are handing Bush the right to declare pre-emptive war, in violation of any international protocol.Why?

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By Lisa W, March 13, 2007 at 8:06 am Link to this comment
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Why is the US more concerned about Israel than our own citizens?  Israel has not been a great friend to the US; more like “with friends like that, you sure don’t need many enemies”, which is exactly what we’re politically accomplishing.  I would like to know why there is such a tight relationship between the US and Israel, especially given the fact that our government in usurping the safety and welfare of Americans for Israel.  What has the US (in general; not just the affluent few) gained from our support for the Israel?

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By Steve Hammons, March 13, 2007 at 8:06 am Link to this comment
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This decision to avoid a preventive measure that might restrict the Bush-Cheney administration from attacking Iran does not give many Americans faith in the Democrats.

The idea that the Bush-Cheney administration should get authorization from Congress before launching an attack seems like a no-brainer to many citizens.

Is this a green light for an attack on Iran?

For more on this topic, the article below may be of interest:

“Will Bush, Cheney attack Iran? When and why?”

By Steve Hammons
Columnist, PopulistAmerica.com
Populist Party of America
February 2, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/will_bush_cheney_attack_iran_when_and_why

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By Ernest Canning, March 13, 2007 at 7:56 am Link to this comment
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This article underscores the existence of what Noam Chomsky refers to as a “democracy deficit.”  It’s bad enough that the so-called “Democratic leadership” is ignoring the clearly expressed will of the people who elected them by continuing to fund this illegal war of aggression. Now we are told that the leadership is so lacking in the courage of their convictions that they are willing to turn a blind eye toward the pending disaster that would occur if Bush proceeds with the neoconservative regime-changing plan to bomb Iran out of a fear of offending Israel!

The time has come for voters to do more than simply reject Republicans.  There is only one Democratic candidate for President who has not only consistently opposed the war in Iraq, who is not afraid to oppose further funding of the illegal occupation, who does not fear AIPAC, who is prepared to directly confront the military-industrial complex, NAFTA and the WTO.  If the anti-war movement wants to have a real impact on critical historical events, it needs to flock in droves to the Kucinich campaign in order to place our so-called, elected representatives on notice that only real and meaningful change will be accepted.  I urge all Truthdig readers to go to Kucinich.us and to sign on to the campaign of the brilliant Congressman from Ohio.

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By John Lowell, March 13, 2007 at 7:47 am Link to this comment
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And leftish commentators whose repertoire is no more broad or deep than that of Johnny-one-note, DNC shill, Glenn Greenwald, call those of us who understand that we are living in a dictatorship “feverish”? When, oh when, will the Congress of the United States be free enough of the influence of powerful, coercive lobbies to conduct its business in a fashion consistent with the interests of an independent nation and not of a vassal state? We have no freedom to conduct our Middle Eastern policy at all. And the silliness that the Democrats will somehow change things meaningfully is suitable stuff for a quiet room in rest home.

John Lowell

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By Jeanine Molloff, March 13, 2007 at 7:41 am Link to this comment
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One slight problem with Pelosi’s stance—the CONSTITUTION REQUIRES CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL FOR WAR DECLARATIONS.  Now I’m aware that these political denizens can twist words and claim that the Unitary Executive moving to battle isn’t an actual declaration of war—so they have no authority to stop him.  Then again, ‘W’ could also claim to be an intellectual giant—and Pelosi could claim that she’s never used Botox.  Congress has always had the responsibility as AN EQUAL ARM OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, to stop a President bent on war.  It’s time to demand that Congress face it’s mandate and be held accountable to the American people.  No more stupid lies told by equally greedy, stupid people.  It’s time to start impeachment procedures against Bush and Cheney.  It’s time to recall any member of Congress who refuses to be held accountable.  It’s time to take back our democracy from these corporatist traitors.  They wanted a class way—now they have one.

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By James Yell, March 13, 2007 at 7:39 am Link to this comment
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Pardon me, but the problem is Congress thinking they have to pass a special bill to make Bush ask for permission before invading another country. It is in the Constitution that it is Congress, not the President who decides this matter. Bush continues to break our laws, the ones he swore to uphold and Congress keeps rolling over and exposing their soft undersides.

Sadly this isn’t just disheartening, it is plain disgusting and a tragedy for the future.

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By DMK, March 13, 2007 at 7:24 am Link to this comment
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This is sickening and just proves that the Democrats are as spineless as the Republicans are war mongering.  The best answer would be a third party of Independents that would take the lead in restoring some guts and integrity to this country. So where are you? If someone with brains and guts does not step forward soon, this country is doomed.

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By eClaire, March 13, 2007 at 7:18 am Link to this comment
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What has happened to our country that the members in Congress believe that they would have to affirm their right to grant approval?  By adding it and then taking it out, they’ve just given permission to the lawless president.  Granted he already, by this point, does not believe he needs anyone’s permission to declare war.  We’ve lost our sanity and if we don’t find it, America will be lost.

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By Manila Ryce, March 13, 2007 at 6:18 am Link to this comment
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That’s no surprise. AIPAC wins again. They’ve controlled both parties for decades and gave more than half of their pro-Israel money to the Dems during the past two elections. Israel wants to nuke Iran and neither party gives a damn. Being called an anti-Semite must be worse than nuclear winter.

http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2007/03/13/aipac-conference-to-reinforce-israel’s-grip-on-washington/

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By chastened, March 13, 2007 at 5:27 am Link to this comment
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The Dem leadership seems to sniff at the rear end of the Israeli dog.

This is the real reason they are backing down from what the people of THIS country want.  here is a clip from the news this AM.

“Prime Minister Ehud Olmert spoke to AIPAC’s (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) Washington policy conference via video link from Israel on Monday, warning that a quick US withdrawal from Iraq would cause instability in the Middle East.

He also said that an immediate withdrawal would compromise the US’ ability to contend with emerging threats, such as Iran, Ynetnews reported.

The Prime Minister said, “Those who are concerned for Israel’s security, for the security of the gulf states, and for the stability of the entire Middle East should recognize the need for American success in Iraq, and responsible exit.”

I guess the Dem leadership is more concerned about the war mongers in Israel than the peace progressives in the US

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