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China to U.S.: You Should Talk

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Posted on Mar 7, 2007

The State Department recently released its regular report of human rights abuses around the world and, as expected, listed China as one of the worst offenders. But Beijing fired back with its own report and a long list U.S. violations, including everything from disregard for civilian casualties to treating racial minorities as an underclass.


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“Relying on its strong military power, the United States has trespassed on the sovereignty of other countries and violated human rights in other countries,” Xinhua quoted the document as saying, released by the State Council, or cabinet.

It cited foreign media reports in detailing the number of civilian deaths in Iraq.

“The document says the United States has a flagrant record of violating the Geneva Convention in systematically abusing prisoners during the Iraqi war and the war in Afghanistan,” Xinhua said.

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By Jon B, March 8, 2007 at 10:51 pm Link to this comment
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“Fine, but let us not allow this to obscure what is actually happenning in China”

It depends on who are “us”. I doubt joes and janes really care what’s going on in china. What they really care is outsourcing. Then again, trade agreements are sponsored by business lobbysts and approved by DC politicians including presidents. China didn’t canvass outsourcing. It’s corporate america and politicians.

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By Dale Headley, March 8, 2007 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment
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I’m afraid the Chinese just don’t get it.  Americans, according to George Bush, are not bound by any international laws, treaties, or agreements.  We are not bound to respect anyone Bush doesn’t choose to respect.  We have carte blanche to attack and kill anyone in the world we choose; just ask Bush.  We have no obligation to respect human rights, at home or abroad - don’t make George laugh.  Why?  Because, says Bush, we Americans are the toughest guys on the block.  Other countries are bound, on the other hand, to acquiesce to our priorities.  Just ask France.  When the French declined to spend the blood of Frenchmen to help Bush & Cheney steal oil and pose as heroes, Americans renamed their French Fries.  Don’t you understand, China?  We Americans are just superior, God says so.

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By Craig Garcia, March 8, 2007 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment
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Two wrongs do not make a right and finger pointing only draws attention away from the pointee as they desecrate life and rights.
How easily are you deceived??

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By Quy Tran, March 8, 2007 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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Hey, Condĩ Rice just stop spitting blood to other internal affairs. Look yourself in the mirror. Don’t try to hide your dirtiest works within and outside this country then denounce other countries. Your foreign policy is surely a kind of “blow job” and disgusting. An animal is always animal.

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By 127001, March 8, 2007 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment
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China Law Blog: Nice site. Looks like I have some reading to do.

Stephen Smoliar: I like your title: The Pot Confronts the Kettle and I agree but expand a bit. I question whether there is any time in history where there really was any country or government with “moral authority in matters of human rights.”

There have been so many initially well-meaning attempts, globally and throughout history, but there was always “some” factor getting in the way. But I do believe there have been short periods in U.S. history (certainly not currently) when there have been some miniscule progress. I would hope anyway. I liked your conclusion though.

And…

cliff thompson: When was the last time you left your house? Twits like you are the reason these problems exist in the first place. (look it up in the dictionary; I reserve the term for particular personalities).

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By China Law Blog, March 8, 2007 at 10:56 am Link to this comment
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Fine, but let us not allow this to obscure what is actually happenning in China.

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By Stephen Smoliar, March 8, 2007 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
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I first saw this at Al Jazeera English and used their wire sources (which probably included Reuters) to prepare comments on my own blog at:

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2007/03/pot-confronts-kettle.html

However, for the sake of any discussion that may form at this site, here is my punch line:

This exchange simply reminds us that NEITHER China nor the United States can speak from a position of moral authority in matters of human rights. Indeed, if we adopt those principles of regionalism that I advocated on Tuesday [hyperlink at my blog site], there is probably not A position of moral authority by virtue of the extensive diversity of world-views across the regions. On the other hand, SOME level of reporting is probably necessary, just so a denizen of one region knows what to expect when going into another region. The biggest mistake that a tourist (of any nationality visiting any country) can make is to assume that, wherever one happens to be visiting, things are “just like home.” So as long as these reports have explicit value, particularly where matters such as commerce are concerned, they will be produced; but, as long as they are produced, nations will use them to beat the heads of other nations while feeling better about their own moral righteousness, however illusory that righteousness may be.

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By joneden, March 8, 2007 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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We tell other people what to do, not China. It is not their role and they NEEEEEEEED to just shut the hell up and do what we tell them.

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By George, March 8, 2007 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
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If you understand that the huge number of prisoners in the U.S. are kept there through phony “crimes” created to legitimize their incarceration, and that they are subseqently disenfranchised when released, you quickly realize that they are, in effect, political priosoners. China is right. Its report on U.S. human rights abuses is not their first. The U.S. press, as can be expected of the toadies of the government, has ignored such reports in the past, or, at best, relegated them to the back pages.

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By Jon B, March 8, 2007 at 8:37 am Link to this comment
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As the level of sophistication in china increases, so will the war of words regarding human rights issue.

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By cliff thompson, March 8, 2007 at 7:37 am Link to this comment
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to 127001 Did you ask the 30,000,000 who died during the great leap forward (into the grave) if they were happy? the U.S.A. might be far from perfect but it isn,t in the same universe when it comes to murdering ,torturing and abusing human beings,(soviet union,cambodia,north korea,GDR )you need to consult your shrink asap.

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By cliff thompson, March 8, 2007 at 7:27 am Link to this comment
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James,you need to stop being a self loather and support your country ,its not to do with blind obdience,its to do with the fact you are given your chance on election day ,if your side wins OK, if your side loses you accept the result and remain loyal to your country and save your opinions till the next election,you can,t have your cake and eat it,you live in the best democratic nation on earth with the muscle to back it up,good old lefty europe lives under your protection and they know it,even though they critisise your country,president and people non stop,including a lot of brits i,m sorry to say,they have short memorys,I dont recall the countries of the Warsaw pact going on about the russians or their president or accusing the red army of being a bunch of mudering rapists, if you cant accept this move to North Korea marry a kidnap victim and bask in the glow of Kim Jong wassisname,or move to Canada,grow up for gods sake.

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By stonehinge, March 8, 2007 at 2:58 am Link to this comment
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Thanks, TruthDig, for catching this one.  This is a really important step forward for the Chinese.  Bravo!!!

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By Derek, March 8, 2007 at 2:44 am Link to this comment
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I don’t thrust the Chinese.  They are very secretive about everything.  They are racist too.

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By 127001, March 7, 2007 at 11:59 pm Link to this comment
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Well, I’m laughing because they are right. And it’s about time they spoke back, which tells me quite a bit.

The Chinese (in inner China, like Xi’an) refer to Americans as “dim sum” (aka “little dumplings”).

When I was there in 2002 (for a month), we were told by “common folk” the Americans are too stupid to know they don’t have a government, they have a media.

Someone in the group brought up Tiananmen Square; they didn’t blink an eye and shot back, “What about Ohio State?!”

When another person raised why they let themselves live under “Communism” they gently explained, as though we were children:

90 percent of China is farmers. When the government keeps the farmers happy, the people are happy. When the people are happy, we keep the government.

If, however, the government were to make our farmers unhappy, we would simply change our government.

There are a lot of “abuses” of EVERY country in this world, the U.S. is leading the ranks right primarily because if its hypocrisy.

The one thing I was amazed at most of all was the number of young people “running things.” Everywhere, TV, businesses, etc., were people who must have been only in their 20’s and 30’s. Intelligent, educated, and definitely optimistic about their futures.

More than I see in the U.S.

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By Mario Sanchez, March 7, 2007 at 10:38 pm Link to this comment
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Hmmm? If the U.S. were as bad as China on human rights, then this Web site would not exist. Think about that, Lefties! You are hardly the brave dissenters. Capitalists in Cuba and North Korea are the brave dissenters. Socialists in the West are nothing more than spoiled brats who sit in coffee shops, with nothing to fear but where they will buy their next pair of Pradas!

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By James, March 7, 2007 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment
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Thank the Lord!  China is finally wading into the ‘superpower’ big kids’ pool.  I long hoped that the EU would be the counter balance to our government’s BS express, but I’ll settle for China.

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