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A Horrific Plan for Attacking Iran

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U.S. Central Command has developed a plan for airstrikes against Iran that includes hitting not just nuclear facilities but most military targets throughout the country. According to the BBC, either confirmation that Iran is building a nuclear weapon or evidence linking Tehran to a high-casualty attack inside Iraq could set the plan in motion.

Considering that the Bush administration has already said it is convinced Iran is developing nuclear weapons (despite denials from Ahmadinejad and Co.) and that Iran backs militias inside Iraq with weapons and other support, the two triggers for this plan are truly disturbing.

Throw in the president’s track record of shaping intelligence to meet his war-making agenda, and it looks like Bush is ready, willing and able to start a war with Iran.


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BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says the trigger for such an attack reportedly includes any confirmation that Iran was developing a nuclear weapon - which it denies.

Alternatively, our correspondent adds, a high-casualty attack on US forces in neighbouring Iraq could also trigger a bombing campaign if it were traced directly back to Tehran.

Long range B2 stealth bombers would drop so-called “bunker-busting” bombs in an effort to penetrate the Natanz site, which is buried some 25m (27 yards) underground.

The BBC’s Tehran correspondent France Harrison says the news that there are now two possible triggers for an attack is a concern to Iranians.

Authorities insist there is no cause for alarm but ordinary people are now becoming a little worried, she says.

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By Jackie T. Gabel, February 27, 2007 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment
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RE: Comment #55390 by Jeff Badura  on  2/26  at  8:13 am — “when we bomb Iran ill be thinking of you guys !! ha ha ha ha ha ha”

>>>they’re coming to take ??? whoooo ??? away…

this is looking more and more like an exercise in provocation, paired with a wildly comical caricature of a “right wing nut,” replete with straw men, red herrings and a circular ill-reasoning, reflective of a headless chicken — “A” for effort, Illgramaticus, but not at all convincing — the prat falls are way too obvious. There are better ways to draw people to the 911Truth movement. Videos like this are irrefutable. Share it with your comrades.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5105295116560704045&q=building+7+bbc

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By Jeff Badura, February 26, 2007 at 9:13 am Link to this comment
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come on Jackie?? i know libs think its cool to dump on there own country, to believe that the USA and its institutions some real, and some made up, are the source of all evil in the world, and to blame for every problem !!! but your wrong !!! we are not perfect, but we are the good guys, we have given the a lot of the world freedom,  and there are still bad guys out there who want to kill you !!!  you have let your political stance cloud your logic !!! you make cracks about education, and about my writing mistakes, but you are lost when it comes to reasoning and logic and seeing the world for what it is !! the truth and facts don’t matter to you, just your hate and anger for your own country !!! that’s delusional and irrational !!! to the far left libs, any conspiracy will do, and hate speak is true, as long as your dumping on the USA !!!  i might not be able to write as pretty as you guys !! but at least i see the world the way it is!! i don’t live in a dream-land of my own political creation like the far left does here on these posts!!  that’s why you guys have almost zero political clout !!! everybody knows your clueless. why do think they call the left-wing bloggers the “nut-roots”
    when we bomb Iran ill be thinking of you guys !! ha ha ha ha ha ha  

illgramaticus knee O’kaun

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By Jackie T. Gabel, February 24, 2007 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment
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RE: Comment #55124 by Jeff Badura  on  2/23  at  8:44 pm — ”Iran’s religious ruled government is a current danger to our nations long term security !!......we cant allow them to acquire nukes and be saturated with the weapons for if they do “in time we will be nuked” I’m trying or hoping to prevent that surgical strikes on Iran could put them back 5 to 30 yrs ??? we could knock there military out from the sky”

>>>>> in the wake of 911, the current apex of the myth

of Islamofascism and the Axis of Evil — all designed as a pretext to a century of endless war — all to salvage the collapsing perto-arms-drugs dollar. To be sure, there may very well be a WMD incident any day (nuclear, biological, chemical, whatever), but when it happens, don’t look to “never land” (i.e. the cave, the laptop, bin Laden…the Axis of Evil). Look to Cheney and Cheney’s handlers.

The greatest danger to peace, anywhere in the world today is <b>FALSE FLAG TERRORISM <B>  — anyone interested, invest 10 min. and educate yourself, about it — the oldest trick in the book: Barbarians at the Gates —  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_84-PT-REc4

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By Jeff Badura, February 23, 2007 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment
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Jackie T. Gabel says

“always begs the question, are your disinfo. rants paid for, or are you just a willing, unwitting useful fool?
Probably the latter, the pros are usually subtler, with better grammar, et al. Of course, one never knows,”

-thanks dude i take that as a complement,  i wish they would pay for my services but this is all my honest thoughts !!! no one tells me what to say

  look!!  Iran’s religious ruled government is a current danger to our nations long term security !!......we cant allow them to acquire nukes and be saturated with the weapons for if they do “in time we will be nuked”  I’m trying or hoping to prevent that
  surgical strikes on Iran could put them back 5 to 30 yrs ??? we could knock there military out from the sky

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

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By Jeff Badura, February 22, 2007 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
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Jackie says “911 and the invasion of Afghanistan had nothing to do with bin Laden. That was the cover, and every one who knows anything about it, knows he’s a patsy.”

man ??? i don’t know why i waste my time ??? you my friend,  are lost in never land !!!

IllGramaticus KneeO’Kaun

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By Jackie T. Gabel, February 21, 2007 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
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RE: Comment #54744 by Jeff Badura  on  2/21  at  1:44 pm — “here we go again !!”

>>>> indeed…

always begs the question, are your disinfo. rants paid for, or are you just a willing, unwitting useful fool?

Probably the latter, the pros are usually subtler, with better grammar, et al. Of course, one never knows, the spooks who dream up all this cointel tend to display boundless imagination; e.g. the six Imams on the Northwest filight out of Minneapolis a couple months back…praying out loud on the plane, affiliated with a mosque on a watch list for collecting money for al-CIA-DUH…yeah, it’d be a good bet to follow the money on that one, until it reached the ISI agents running the patsy cells.

As for an enemy, well there sure as hell is one, but it ain’t a global network of Islamofascists…no, no, no. Those boys are the patsies. Our real enemy are the professional executioners in service to the NWO. Their mission: to fail every state whose despot does not toe the line. That means taking every deal forced down their throats: military bases, security forces, sites for extraordinary renditions,  mining, pipelines, refineries, tanker docks, World Bank loans, arms deals, drug deals and banks to launder it all in dollars, and dollars only! Bottom line is this: Don’t like the deal, take a look at Afghanistan. About a year before 911, Bush/Co. gave the Taliban $40-million, down payment on the pipeline deal. About 6 months before 911 the Taliban canceled the deal. 911 and the invasion of Afghanistan had nothing to do with bin Laden. That was the cover, and every one who knows anything about it, knows he’s a patsy.

The enemy ain’t the USA. It’s the NWO and their operatives — the gangsters who’ve hi-jacked the US Military Industrial Complex to serve their interests. Recruit Watch groups around the country are now on a mission to alert the kids and get them to stop giving their blood and guts. Soon you’ll see an army entirely of mercenaries, unless the shadow government is exposed. The charge is treason. Nothing less will do. Don’t worry, Jeff, no doubt you’re too small to matter.

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By Jeff Badura, February 21, 2007 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment
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TAO!! i never called you crazy ??? don’t confuse my comments to other lost souls here with my comment to you !!

we have to be practical in our judgments and when picking leaders and when finding our way in this screwed up world !!

as i said the “one with nature way” is noble !! i agree with you, but nobility is something to strife for not to blindly expect and then cut off you nose when you don’t find it ???

i believe in Gaia not as a walking talking god but as a respected mother of life, you can call in mother nature or what ever??? but this being the case ??? we have crazies that want to kill us !!! the two have nothing to do with each other so clear your vision !!

we will never nuke Iran !!! what ever the story said ??? forget that nonsense !! but we are going to bomb them in short order and it is because they deserve it !! (the leaders the government not the people) 

don’t let crimes of generations past or diluted logic or anger or sorrow to stop you or us from doing whats right in the present and future!! for if that was the case we would always be paralyzed !!!

my views are not half backed ??? they are mainstream neo-con views!! the same views that are being played out in Washington as we speak,

one just needs to look and read the posts here to see the multitudes of half backed idea’s by most on the left, void of logic and reason, filled only with emotion???

TAO!!  we have a duty to our children and to our people !! all the people of this planet, to due what is right by them ??? and we will !!!

IllGramaticus KneeO’Kaun

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By Jeff Badura, February 21, 2007 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment
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here we go again !! what a bunch of lost souls ???

  Azoth, you are clueless !! anyone just needs to read you junk to see that !! i don’t know were your from but if its North America then your a traitor !!! shame on you !!

  Phil, i must agree with you we should not grasp at straws and yes we must look into the future to see whats best for all of mankind !! and facing down Islamic extremism is what is best in a shrinking world !!!

  Jackie, sorry dude, don’t mean to repeat myself but you are lost !!! sticking your head in the dirt?? pretending our enemies don’t exist because it doest fit with your anti US paranoid political stance is out there !!!  do you really believe that pablum you are puking ?? you cant be serious !!! here’s some advise!! don’t tell to many your views they might find a patted room for you somewhere !! 

  Mike, no one want to take over anyplace!!  we just want to protect ourselves!!

-IllGramaticus KneeO’Kaun

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By TAO Walker, February 21, 2007 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment
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Jeff Badura (#54587) is clearly right about the greed and self-centeredness of CIVILIZED humans, which are obviously the only kind he knows….including his own self.  “(W)hat happened to….” us free wild natural ones is that we effectively disappeared from his long-time tormentors’ sight….and remain mostly invisible to our tame two-legged brothers and sisters to this day.

Nothing you’ll see among comments posted here better illustrates the utter insanity (institutionalized and rampant) that the long process of domestication has induced in its human subjects, than the several posted here by subject/citizen Badura.  Even if living in a way he concedes is “noble,” and in-harmony with the natural order (an original and generative arrangement that both precedes by aeons and is vastly greater in dimension than the suffocating derivative virtuality in which he is serving his own supposedly self-imposed cradle-to-grave sentence) is as he insists “unpractical,” this ol’ hoss (whom you can call “crazy” if you want) still prefers it to the MADhouse world o’ hurt where so many people already suffer the multitude of fates worse than death.

This Indian would also rather consider the probable psychotic episode (bombing, possibly with “nucular” weapons, Iran) that is the topic of this article, IN the larger context of a natural living arrangement where such insanity is still only a temporary abberration, than only AS an entirely self-inflicted context from which there is no possible escape because there is no known, or even possible, alternative.  Ignorance of the kind the domesticated breeds everywhere and in all times suffer from may be “bliss,” but to wallow self-satisfiedly in it is folly certain to prove fatal….or, probably, worse.

It’s not easy to respond to the sort of half-baked “believes” expressed here by Jeff Badura without seeming to pick-on someone who is developmentally disadvantaged.  The sad fact is, though, that he has been systematically deprived of the engagement with (what oughta be) his natural environment that is essential to him or any other human being for realizing the health and wholeness of our human nature.

The destructive behavior he takes for granted in himself and his fellow captives is a consequence of their confinement.  Us free wild natural people don’t act that way because we know it would reduce us to the degraded condition our unfortunate tame brothers and sisters are being everyday conned into accepting as “normal.”

We know better, so will not “settle” for any cheap imitation plastic imitation of Life Herownself.  No dashboard madonnas for us, thanks anyway.

HokaHey!

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By Azoth, February 21, 2007 at 9:18 am Link to this comment
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The US has been Bushwhacked.
The US is afraid of its own shadow.
You Yanks are all a bunch pussies.

The terrorists have won from day 1, once
the WTC was attacked.

The US is the number # 1 terrorist state,not
Iran.

Bush is public enemy number one.
Bush’s popularity is 35 % Anyone who supports
Bush is a moron.

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By Phil Latham, February 20, 2007 at 11:44 pm Link to this comment
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Jeff Badura I feel your pain! It is painful when the truth is not clear and the straws we are left to grasp are mere figments of someone else’s imagination. When an authority figure provides us with an image that turns out to be a mirage and we are so hard pressed to give it up that we refuse let go. Buddy, it’s OK, we are here to help, shed some tears, it’s over, join up, we can help you. We love you.

Phil

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By Phil Latham, February 20, 2007 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment
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Again, there is a point to be made beyond the current politics of the times. We are creatures with the ability to look beyond the inanity and insanity of what’s in front of us right now. People die, people suffer, people become wealthy at other people’s expense. Why do people suffer so other people can live at such a pornographically high standard? Is it not enough to be well fed and sleep in a warm bed? Is it not enough to have a swimming pool and a mansion and a yacht? Is there no sense of brotherhood on this planet that we share? Why do we as Americans believe we deserve more than anybody else?

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By Jackie T. Gabel, February 20, 2007 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment
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RE: Comment #54557 by Jeff Badura  on  2/20  at  3:17 p — “I ask this basic question to all you consternating Democrats out there, what would you have us do? Back out of Iraq with our tails between our legs? Leave the country to al-Qaeda in the west?”

>>>got the wrong “straw man,” Bubba

No Democrats (i.e. liberals who leave the room when a fight breaks out) in this corner. No, no, no. Let’s get it straight! Your Islamofascism is a myth. Your al-Qaeda is a classic CIA/MI-6-run pseudo gang, by the book, a la Kitson. Your War of Terror is a GLADIO-style Strategy of Tension for the 21st Century, all instigated by a merciless onslaught of black-ops/psy-ops.

To shock the US into this they brought down the WTC, security stripped the POTUS, held a gun to his head and got their Clash of Civilizations, a la Huntington; and, even got Putin to stand down as they charged into the former Soviet republics right on the Russian border, while your compliant MSM sat mum as a church mouse. To set all of Iraq ablaze they did the Samara Mosque.  Look next for a false flag event, just big enough to give the pretext to launch on Iran. And, to be perfectly clear: Iran’s sin has nothing to do with nuclear reactors; it’s the same as Saddam’s — Petro-Euros…nudging the greenback ever closer to the precipice.

For the New World Oligarchy, it’s all to save the collapsing perto-arms-drugs dollar, for their neocon operatives, it’s to fulfill the pipe dreams of their guru Leo Straus and his muse Friedrich Nietzsche. For the pathetic sods on Capitol Hill it’s just how to get out alive. The 911 coup is an open secret in DC. Now the scramble is on to rein in the madmen without blowing the cover up. Any Congressman with the guts to put his mouth on it knows: “Sorry, we’re not sure we can guarantee the safety of your family.”

You know what we’re dealing with, Bubba. Don’t pretend you don’t!

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By Mike, February 20, 2007 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment
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Go BUSH We are with you. Be careful this time. Show to the world. How america can fight a war and next invade Pakistan. Thats yet the whole islamic world will be under US control.

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By Garsh, February 20, 2007 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment
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Garsh,
Those Israelis are Whackos! How dare they defend themselves!
See, it’s o.k. for Hezbollah to fire qassam rockets into Israel, it’s just not o.k. for Israelis to fire back! See, ‘cuz I’m insane. Liberalism really is a mental disorder!
Garsh, maw

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By Jeff Badura, February 20, 2007 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment
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okay guys lets try to answer your irrational believes with logic and reason !!

Casey, nobody who has a right-mind wishes to destroy anybody? Bush included. i know its cool and fashionable for those of you on the far left, to believe we on the right, have nefarious reasons for our thoughts or actions. but its just not true!! we want what is best for the country, the world, and the future of mankind!! we have no problem with a country gaining power??? the problem comes when countries such as Iran who have been committing acts of war on the US for over 28 yrs (embassy hostage crises, Beirut marines bombing, the many western hostages taken in the 80’s the Kolbar Towers attacks in the 90’s) Iran is an open sponsor of terror!! there national pastime is chanting death to the USA !! they are actively killing our troops in Iraq, the have proxy armies the Hezbollah and Hamas, and are supporting? if not making? the Syrians kill leaders in Lebanon!! this is not France or Canada or even China or Russia, this is a handful of religious crazies “the Ayatollah’s ” who believe in Jihad as a national policy and jihad means holy war and you Casey are their declared enemy whether you believe them or not !!! they cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons and then give them to there proxy armies who believe if they blow them selfs up and take you and me with them they go to paradise with 72 virgins !!! i know you wish to think we are the bad guys? but we are not !!! we are the good guys, and you are horrible mistaken !! your numbers are way off !! the death toll, regrettably in Iraq is around 50 to 150 thousand !!! not a million !!! if you can be so blatantly wrong about somin’ as easy to check as that?? its just shows you don’t know what your talking about!!

Dale and Bert, you guys make no sense!! next time try to talk reason?? your statements are just hyperbole!!

TAO- Your mother Earth American Indian believes are noble, but unfortunately unpractical!!  we humans are too greedy and to self centered to operate in that fashion !! and those that did ??? you see what happened to them !! and for that I’m sorry !! but lets keep to the subject!!

Frances and Phil, yes we have too many nukes and WMD’s !! but just because we have them and we are a reasonable nation with checks and balances who’s government answers to the populace, doesn’t mean a nation like Iran who believes in Jihad who answers to no one should be allows to acquire such weapons!! that kind of thinking is suicide!!  Remember 9/11

Jackie your out there buddy ??? you believe all that conspiracy junk but it doesn’t make it true !!! and a neocon is not a Nazi a neocon simply means new conservative for the changes that were made in some on the right in the late 90’s, see   http://www.newamericancentury.org/  to hear in there own words what a neocon is, not your left wing loony definition of them / us!!  the “skull and bones” society is fiction !!

Pete, don’t be blinded by your political disposition remember hate is the path to the dark side !! we can believe Bush cause he is telling the truth !!

Kol Klink, if N.Korea get nukes they will sell them to the highest bidder? and if Iran gets them they might give them to there proxy terrorist armies? and no the world wont be destroyed just Manhattan in 10, 20 or 30 yrs from now !! we cannot let that happen just because you don’t see the threat ! remember 9/11  

-IllGramaticus KneeO’Kaun

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By Kol Klink, February 20, 2007 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment
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I have read through the blather…                      America would never commit such an immoral act! America will never use a nuclear weapon on another country! America is a country of historically high moral standards! If Iran gets a nuclear weapon the world will come to an end! If Korea gets a nuclear weapon the world will come to an end!
My advice…get a copy of ‘A People’s History of the United States’ by Howard Zinn. It is the best selling US history book of all time. Perhaps it will open some eyes. We are not the guys with the white hats.
BTW, any type of attack on Iran will have a very great potential for throwing the world economy into total chaos and very possibly WW3. That would cost the multi-nationals a lot of money. They dont like to lose money.
What the Bush administration has shown all world leaders is that if you dont have a nuke you better damn well get one fast before your name shows up on our list of ‘evils doers.’
Anyway, the Israelis have a couple of hundred nukes and havent used them…and they are about as whacko as the neo-cons.

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By Jeff Badura, February 20, 2007 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment
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Jim Yell, Iraq is a legal war part-1,Most American’s were at the time of our invasion, big supporter of going into Iraq, not because we blamed Saddam for 9/11. We went into Iraq because 9/11 showed us that we could not stand by idly while trouble brewed on the horizon. There could be no long-term peace in the Middle East with Saddam and his sons in power. He had WMD’s before, and he had used them before, so leaving him in power in a post-9/11 environment was unacceptable for most of the American people. Before we went into Iraq, the press and the US government on both sides of the isle, and the American people, 80% of them were all behind the action Bush took in Iraq. But four years later, unlike the press or the democrats I’m still a big supporter of the cause for this war. And I find myself here in CT always sticking up for the war effort, and battling the “just blame Bush” revisionist wishful thinkers, who now are opposed to the war because the going got tough. The current falsehoods that the press takes as gospel and the Democrats are happy to repeat, that Bush lied and people died, or rushed us into war. Whether we’re talking of the WMD’s or Saddam’s supposed blame for 9/11, it’s just left-wing talking points. For those who believe this line, let me break down the history to remind you of the truth in this matter!  After Saddam invaded Kuwait the UN authorized the action that led to the first Gulf War. After being roundly defeated, Saddam agreed to the terms given to him by the UN so he could remain in power. He then proceeded to break over and over again the treaty he signed to end the first Gulf War. Shortly afterwards he attempted to kill Ex-President Bush while he was visiting in Kuwait. He constantly foiled the attempts of the UN weapons inspectors, who were trying to implement the agreed terms of the treaty. Over all he violated 16 UN resolutions. These then are President Clinton’s words, while signing the “Iraq Liberation Act” on October 31, 1998 “It should be the policy of the US to seek to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace the regime “. This “law” was ratified by both houses of congress, in, I will say again because it begs repeating, 1998! Clinton continued to give numerous speeches about the dangers of Saddam’s WMD’s, and many other Democrat politicians went on the record with the same type of speech. Saddam was paying the families of suicide bombers in Israel and he was shooting at US and British planes every day that were implementing the UN no fly zones. Bush became president in 2000 and this was the mess he was left with. Then we had 9/11.

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By Jeff Badura, February 20, 2007 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
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Iraq is a legal war part 2-  Everybody in our country and the world thought Saddam still had his WMD’s. Bush never said Saddam was to blame for 9/11. He said Saddam was a supporter of terror, which he was! So in 2002 both the House and the Senate in an overwhelming bi-partisan vote of support gave the President authorization to use force to remove Saddam. Now four years later when bullets are flying and men are dying, and we are not only fighting a shooting war, but a global propaganda war too. It is reprehensible, for the Democrats in the name of political gain, and the press who are now against the war, to say that Bush lied, and rushed us into war. I ask this basic question to all you consternating Democrats out there, what would you have us do? Back out of Iraq with our tails between our legs? Leave the country to al-Qaeda in the west? And leave to Iran, the south and east? If so, then why don’t you, cut off the funds to the war effort. Openly state that’s what you’re doing. Take a stand one way or another. Then answer for your position now and in the future. But if you do not intend to cut off the funds, then stop your daily disparaging of the war, and our Commander in Chief, because what you are doing is helping the enemy with your constant condemning of the war effort. If you paid for the war, and voted for the war, then it’s your war! You bought it, paid for it, and voted for it! We all did! The only question we should be debating now, in a far more civil matter, is how best to “win” this battle in Iraq, and the larger war on Islamic extremism. Not how to use war to beat your political adversary’s in Washington at our nation’s expense. Revising the facts of the past to suit your political ambitions and complaining about mistakes that were honestly made with no constructive input on how to fix the problems is no way to run a country in a time of war. For we have far more ruthless, dangerous, enemies out there, other than the conservatives or the liberals. It’s high time we worked together for the greater good of the nation to win this war! As far as the violence in Iraq goes, historically I believe there are perfect cases in our own nations past experience to point out the brutal gang violence that takes place when ever there is anarchy due to a change of governments in war time, like in the Civil War out west the battles between Jay-Hawkers and Bushwhackers, One needs to only look back to “Bleeding Kansas” the Lawrence Kansas Massacre to see what I mean. During our own bloody eight years of Revolutionary War there were murderous gang fights fought between loyalists and Patriots. The Loyalists finally had to flee to Canada after the revolution so they wouldn’t be killed by the victorious vengeful Patriots!  Our history is just as bloody and violent as is the goings on of Baghdad or Iraq right now! Unfortunately democracy and eventual stability is often born of blood! But that being the case it is still worth the trouble in the long-run. Not to mention it often needs outside help to get it started. Just as we needed help, from the French, the Spanish and the Dutch to win our freedom from mother England. History can also point out that US losses in this war have been minimal. In any historical context, the losses we have faced: 3,000 dead with 25,000 injured in four years of war are acceptable, considering the struggle we face! Regardless of the crying of the ratings hungry, blood thirsty press, and or the “cut and run” defeatist’s! What it boils down too, is Iraq is the central front on the war on Islamic extremism, or what ever you want to call this struggle! We cannot afford to lose this battle for the sake of the future of mankind. And this is no overstatement!
-IllGramaticus KneeO’Kaun

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By Phil Latham, February 20, 2007 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment
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It’s amazing to me how the use of logig and critical thinking is so blatantly absent from some people’s arguments. Instead they are replaced with prejudice and jingoism. We,ve got 10,000 nuclear warheads at the ready, we’ve already proved that we are not squeamish about attacking soveriegn nations who pose no threat to us, AND WE’RE SCARED OF THEM?

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By Bert, February 20, 2007 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment
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Here’s a concept: One of the big disputes is over war funding. Ok, fine. Give em ALL the war funding they could dream of, PLUS another 399 TRILLION, that’s trillion with a ‘T’, and while they’re busy coming in their pants and trying to decipher whether or not it was a typo, Congress, as a body, politely stands up, and walks out of the building, and goes home. Hours later, the phones start to ring….then the REAL debate begins…

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By pete, February 20, 2007 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment
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how can anyone believe what comes out of bush’s mouth, the man is clearly insane, he is bringing the planet closer to war than any american president, ever.
don’t think for a minute that iran will not retaliate against america, iran will not be the defenceless country that is the popular choice for americans.
bush must be stopped, in anyway possible, he is a madman.

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By Jackie T. Gabel, February 20, 2007 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment
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RE: Comment #54495 by Jeff Badura  on  2/20  at  9:21 am — “John Doraemi, we are not war criminals !!  you are delusional !!!  the USA is the savior and protector of the planet, with out us being pro-active on the world stage the planet would have already been over run by tyranny several times over !!!”

>>>> Mr. Badura, you’re confusing the USA (i.e. we, the citizenry thereof) with the NWO

This doesn’t let the regime off the hook. It’s still misprisions of treason. The NWO (New World Oligarchy) has appropriated the US Military Industrial Complex as its private security and expeditionary armed force — a long process that came to full fruition with the 911 coup — a tragedy made ever more poignant by the soldiers now fighting and dying, essentially for a myth, and by the partisans…literally because of it.

The NWO is a cartel of ultra elites holding no national nor ethnic allegiance — think Bilderberg. Their agenda has nothing to do with freedom nor tyranny. In their desperation to salvage the collapsing petro-drugs-arms dollar they bet on a gang of Straussian neocons, driven by Nietzchien craving for endless war — an ideology which demands there be always an enemy, even if it need be invented (e.g. Islamofascism, Monolithic Communism, African Nationalism, et al). These megalithic myths must be sold and reinforced through a compliant media. Your “soapbox” is a testament to their success.

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By Frances, February 20, 2007 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment
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The hypocracy of the American government is absolutely astonishing.  Who has the largest stock pile of nuclear weapons on planet Earth?  Who has incredibly large stockpiles of enriched uranium,plutonium, and tritium just lying around, some very close to heavily populated areas and on active fault lines? Who conducts open air testing of nuclear weapons downwind of unsuspecting peoples?  Who uses depleted uranium in their weapons and lies about the hazardous effects? The USA is one big nuclear accident waiting to happen.  Not to mention all the chemical and heavy metal contamination of ground water.
The only sane answer to the concern of world wide nuclear proliferation is the abolishment of all nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons making materials everywhere, accompanied by a robust and genuine diplomatic effort.

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By TAO Walker, February 20, 2007 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment
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Rationalists commenting here and elsewhere continue to feel compelled by their principles to try making “sense” of events and processes taking place in a purposely closed system where the only “rule” is fear.  This isn’t simply irrational….it’s plumb crazy, if you ask this ol’ horse.  Those plutoligarchic forces using its intruments and methods to expand and perpetuate the institutionalized degradation of their subject masses are themselves in-turn driven by fear…..of failure, retribution, disgrace, oblivion.

There exists absolutely no “mechanism” within the “global” system itself that could serve to divert the whole gang-banging operation from the utter destruction toward which it is speeding (and accelerating irretrievably) at this very moment.  Those “reasonable men” still hoping to salvage some of the “good stuff” from the imminent wreckage are themselves deluded, and destined to great disappointment.  The damned thing is all-of-a-piece.  Buy-into any of it and you’re on-the-hook for the entire poisonous package.

There remains a way for people with a little common sense and at least a vestige of their free wild human nature to “opt out” of the virtual world o’ hurt about to become lethally uninhabitable for even the most “advantaged” among the hordes of cheap imitation plastic “individuals” making-up most of the present two-legged population of Earth.  Stop trying vainly to help your silly selves, and get busy helping one another instead. 

In the make-believe MADhouse world, where fear IS the rule, all of the inmates come to rely on it to some degree in their relations with each other.  Find the requisite courage to give that up, people, and you will become free from its subjugation in your own lives.  Human beings, along with all our relations here, are naturally free and wild.  We cannot even survive, finally (much less thrive), in captivity. 

“Civilization” (the domestication of humans) is a kind of sickness.  Its cure is the Good Medicine of our natural living arrangment, where abiding sentiently within the integrity of our organic function in the living body of Mother Earth keeps us whole and healthy.  The institutionalized insanity rampant in your civilized world must run its course. 

This alien death-trap is already beginning to self-destruct.  None of us is obliged to go with it to its doom.

HokaHey!

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By Dale Headley, February 20, 2007 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
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Hey, four years ago it worked great!  Americans swallowed it whole.  And Bush will find once again the “slam dunk” evidence that will unleash his Dogs of Armageddon so he can dig his flight suit out of mothballs.

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By Casey, February 20, 2007 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment
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OH YEAH AMERICAN PROTECTOR!  MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES???????

Good thing we are the reason almost 1 million Iraqi civilians are dead.  Great GLOBAL protector!

If you are so for protecting people, why aren’t you in Iraq???

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By Casey, February 20, 2007 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment
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I think it is funny when Americans think we should just destroy other countries for wanting as much power as we have.  And than they wonder why anyone would slam a plane into an American tower.  It seems to me that there are a lot of conservatives, whom are like the spoiled rich kid who thinks they can slap everyone around.  We have become the bully.

If Bush invades Iran, I am more concerned with the public outcry here at home.  No one in America in their right mind should see this as ok.

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By Jeff Badura, February 20, 2007 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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John Doraemi, we are not war criminals !!  you are delusional !!!  the USA is the savior and protector of the planet, with out us being pro-active on the world stage the planet would have already been over run by tyranny several times over !!!

from the SoapBox of Da Illgramaticus KneeO’Kaun

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By Jeff Badura, February 20, 2007 at 10:15 am Link to this comment
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Kellina, there will be no nuclear attack on Iran ever !!! never will we “the USA” drop a nuke and kill thousands of civilians !!! it just isn’t going to happen !!! even if we get nuked and we can trace it back to a country we will not nuke them back !!! we will invade and depose the governments of said country and all those other countries that might have helped them but we will never drop another nuke on another country again !!! and that’s a fact take to the bank !!! 

when any speak of bombing Iran !!! we are talking about a surgical strike to try to minimize all possible collateral damages !!!  the idea is to render the military impotent not to kill innocent civilians !!

From the Saopbox of Da Illgramaticus KneeO’Kaun

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By Jim Yell, February 20, 2007 at 7:50 am Link to this comment
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I noticed starting with Reagan the tendency for Republican Presidents to quote from outstanding Presidents, who were Democratic to give polish to their bilge. The most remarkable part of this was that these Republican Presidents hated everything that the “good” Presidents stood for, but understood the name recognition value and that many people haven’t a clue.

Last night I was sickened to hear Bush trying to hitch his incompetent march into Iraq with the American Revolution & George Washington. That is so false in so many ways. The American Revolution was about our home and freedoms, Iraq was about lies and invading a foreign country that had not attacked us and becoming a foreign army of occupation as were the French in Mexico. If there is any parellel to the American Invasion of Iraq it would be on the Iraqi side, except there is no Iraqi people—-only Relgious rivals who kill each other over issues that only the mindless embrace of religious certitude can give birth to.

Now Bush wants to punish Iran for being Iraq’s neighbor. How much more of this rampant criminality is it going to take before we use the weapon against bad government given us by the Constitution? When are Bush/Cheney going to be impeached?

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By David, February 20, 2007 at 7:16 am Link to this comment
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Right, and “evidence” has been offered on both counts.  Select people have been coming forward about this administration’s plans to attack Iran for roughly three years now. 

I always suspected that the “unexpected” failures and/ or distaer of the Iraq war would curb plans for yet another uni-lateral attack.  Well, the political situation in this country has determined otherwise.  Once the Dems took power of Congress, the need to hurry became paramount. 

If my gut serves me correctly, the adminstration and GOP are calculating that they will loose the White House in ‘08 and put a hault to the plans they have salivated over for a decade or three. The plan is underway and no Democrat is going to stop this train while in motion (giving the benefit of the doubt to the Dems that they truly ARE against this - which I somewhat doubt, as the same people who have the dollars are supporting their election campaigns as well). So, with the properly applied pressure from the Israeli lobby, and some as yet known exigence, the agenda will proceed as planned.

The Democrats will posture, huff and puff, and maybe even pass another ridiculously hollow “non-binding resolution”, screaming to the world how impotent they really are.  In the mean time, the operation will be underway and regardless of who wins the election of ‘08, the acion will have begun and thus need rectified.

If the real intent is to permenently shore up American hegemony over energy resources and world economy, then there is no other option.  Yes, it serves greatly the interests of the people who are making these decisions, but unfortunately for the rest of us there is nothing being served us other than the assurance of excruciatingly long work hours with low pay, and covert corporate slavery.  Remember, the GOP want to take America back to the age before FDR’s New Deal.  This is the way of the future so long as people continue to accept the “war on terror” at face value and as a legitimate cause.  The more proper name for the “war on terror” is “Operation Corporation”.

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By Rob Casford, February 20, 2007 at 5:40 am Link to this comment
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I absolutly and firmly agree that if iran builds nuclear weapon that they be imeadiately removed from theyre possession using any means neccesary and the same goes for north korea who uses things like theyre nuclear weapons to threaten and blackmail,because that is how theyve always been.and i also sincerly hope that the us will once and for all say enough of us being one of the few countrys to follow any moral guidelines at all,and get serious with rouge countrys developing nukes which will find theyre way into the wrong hands eventually and be used.i say enough with being politicly correct,if you develop nukes or supply terrorist with weapons,we are going to destroy you.If you point a gun at a police officer,how many warnings does he have to give before he shoots?we are talking about nukes here,consider whats right

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By BIJEESH KK, February 20, 2007 at 3:53 am Link to this comment
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if they do like this things to iran, may be this world will face third world war.there is no permission for america to attack any country of the world.there also like a country.ther is

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By Big Al, February 20, 2007 at 3:45 am Link to this comment
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This is unspeakably horrible.

Put this together with believeable reports by Philip Giraldi and others that Bush plans to use “tactical” nuclear weapons. And we know already that there will be lots of depleted uranium exploding everywhere.

Oh well. Anybody who wants to sell a Persian carpet on eBay should be happy. Prices are bound to go way up, since soon there won’t be any more where that came from.

If America does this, we will have surpassed Nazi Germany in evil.

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By John Doraemi, February 20, 2007 at 1:55 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t it obvious by now that the “leadership” of both parties are maniacal war criminals who should be removed as soon as is possible?

I mean, war criminal is fact, beyond dispute.  I’m sure they’ll put up some kind of defense (insanity defense?) at the Nurermberg trials, but let’s be serious: if these people weren’t in control of a nuclear state they’d be in The Hague by now.

70+ Disturbing Facts About 9/11

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By Jackie T. Gabel, February 20, 2007 at 12:37 am Link to this comment
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Congress can wait no longer. Charges of misprisions of treason must be brought against Bush and the entire cabinet, past and present. Impeachment is too slow. These plans are utter madness. They must be stopped now!

Arrest these madmen. Halt all black-ops/psy-ops. Cut off all military funding of Israel. Pull all US military out of the MIddle East immediately and bring all parties to the peace table under UN supervision.

There is no military solution short of apocalypse and the Rapture-driven, Christian Fundamentalist, war mongers must be banned from the strategy rooms and all combat leadership roles. They must not be allowed to manipulate the destiny of the world to fulfill their mythological Revelations.

Both China and Russia are heavily invested in Iran. Any sort of false flag event could trigger global nuclear war, and since 911, we know of what this rogue network of NWO operatives are capable. This madness must end, before it’s too late.

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By Jon B, February 19, 2007 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IB15Ak02.html
The above link is the real news to counterpunch the “Iran backs militias inside Iraq with weapons and other support”. Then again, neocon warmongers and their major media outlets will do whatever it takes to duplicate the same drumbeat before they launched the war on Iraq. Keep an eye on their daily bombardment of op-ed articles, tv appearances, selective leaks and cooked up evidences.

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By Donna, February 19, 2007 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment
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It comes as no surprise that Israel and its evil twin theUS are planning to attack Iran. Between the Christian right and the Radical jewish right, the Middle East is under intense attack and no one is doing a thing. It will make the world a very dangerous place and I will never be able to trust my Goverment again. Americans beware, you are not God and this war is wrong. The Christian voice in America is a fascist voice that has nothing to do with God or anything that is holy. These radical fanatics are ruining the world. I no longer fear Islam, I fear what is right here at home. A fascist force that is growing and its full of hatred. What a shame that such a wealthy country is so very uneducated!

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By Marshall, February 19, 2007 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment
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Confirmation that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon despite its firm denials would certainly be grounds for considering a military response.  There’s no easy answer in this situation because all options have a cost, but the spector of a nuclearized Iran would be like allowing David Koresh to possess biological weapons; it wouldn’t take a crystal ball to know the outcome.

Similarly, US casualties in Iraq at the hands of Iran would be tantamount to a declaration of war on the US and would require some response on our part.  This is not a surprise.  I’m sure I’ll be entertained, as always, by the pacifist responses to this news story that will flood these pages.

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By Kellina, February 19, 2007 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment
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February 19, 2007
Congress’ Liability in a
Nuclear Strike on Iran
No more European vacations for our legislators?
by Jorge Hirsch

Madrid, Brussels, London, Berlin, Paris, Rome, and Vienna may well be off-limits to U.S. members of Congress soon. Just as well: they will still be able to enjoy pleasant summer breaks in Crawford, Texas, or Jackson Hole, Wyo., in the best of companies [1], [2]. That’s certainly preferable to ending up in a European jail for a very long time.

Every one of the 535 members of the 110th Congress is liable to face criminal indictment from the International Criminal Court in de Hague if the U.S. uses nuclear weapons in the impending conflict with Iran.

Following an indictment, every country that is a State Party to the International Criminal Court (ICC) will be required to take into custody any members of Congress that are temporarily on their soil and surrender them to the Court. None of the Western European State Parties to the ICC have signed bilateral “Article 98 agreements” with the United States that would give immunity to U.S. citizens.

The reasons why members of Congress are liable to face criminal indictment by the ICC in the aftermath of a U.S. nuclear attack on Iran are:

The crimes will be in the category of “most serious crimes of international concern”;
The U.S. Congress funded the creation of the weapons to commit the crimes, and paid the salaries of the servicemembers that pushed the buttons;
The U.S. Congress was aware that conditions were such that the crimes could occur in the ordinary course of events;
The U.S. Congress had the authority and ability to prevent the crimes from occurring, and failed to take reasonable measures within its power to do so;
At least some members of Congress actively aided, abetted and assisted in the commission of the crimes.

Congress has the constitutional power to legislate under which conditions nuclear weapons, the most terrible weapons created by mankind, will be used in military operations. By funding the research, development and manufacture of these weapons, at the rate of over 6 billion dollars per year, and handing them over to the Executive without putting any restriction on their use, members of Congress have made themselves liable for crimes that may be committed with “their” weapons. And there is the aggravating circumstance that the Executive announced to Congress that it would use nuclear weapons under conditions constituting serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in armed conflict, and that Congress knew that such conditions were very likely to occur.

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By Steve Hammons, February 19, 2007 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment
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It is looking more an more like the question is not “if” Bush, Cheney and their neocon and war-profiteer associates will attack Iran ... but “when.”

Is it a thirst for power, money and blood? Is it a complex psychological sickness that has taken over their minds? It is probably a combination of these, and more.

When will the attack occur? This month? March? April? Can they be stopped?

Good questions ... and no answers.

For more on this:

“Will Bush, Cheney attack Iran? When and why?”

By Steve Hammons
Columnist, PopulistAmerica.com
Populist Party of America
February 2, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/will_bush_cheney_attack_iran_when_and_why

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By Kol Klink, February 19, 2007 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment
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Gates was part of the ISG, a long time friend of Bush the elder, and definitely not Darth Cheneys choice for Sec Def. Gates is encouraging the joint chiefs to begin speaking out about all matters military, an action that would have gotten them fired under Rummy, and a thorn in the side of Rove, Cheney and their neo-con pals.
                                I believe Gates is a plant, a mole, and when Bushco tries to push the ‘launch the Iran attack’ button nothing will happen.

Perhaps Mr Gates was put in his current position by powerfull forces that are at odds with the neo-cons. Perhaps he is working behind the scenes and is the man that will pull the plug on an Iran attack.

I realize that I have used a lot of ‘perhaps’ but I hope we are spared an Iran debacle that will make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

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By Kellina, February 19, 2007 at 8:08 pm Link to this comment
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You do realize that war with Iran means either 1) invade and institute a DRAFT, or 2) go NUCLEAR.

Pre-emptive strikes are a war crime, pure and simple. Anyone who participates is therefore a war criminal. Who are the Nazis now? Our gov’t is conspiring to melt people…and our taxes are funding them.

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By Duris Maxwell, LL.B, February 19, 2007 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment
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There’s far more than two possible triggers here for a war with Iran. Wars do not always start as the result of planning or specific events. Wars have also started as the result of “incidental” events that spiralled out of control.

As Donald Rumsfeld once said: “Look, stuff happens!” Stuff most certainly does happen. Therefore, anyone who seriously wants war can always find an excuse—from a vast collection that is far larger in number than the stated potential “justifications”.

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By Kellina, February 19, 2007 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment
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Oh, right, that makes sense—bomb a country for making bombs. Nuke a country for thinking about developing a nuclear program - never mind that the program is to generate energy. Never mind that Iran has signed a nuclear non-proliferation treaty (in contrast to, say, Israel, which has 200 nukes and has not signed the treaty).

Will somebody please arrest Chimpy McFlightsuit & Darth Vader now? They need to be arrested because it is clear that they are _thinking_ about dominating the world. They need to be tried according to the Military Commissions Act. Secret evidence, obtained via torture, no lawyer, no right to hear the charges against them, etc.

p.s. Hey - I managed to write an entire post without mentioning that 9/11 was an inside job! (oops)

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By Quy Tran, February 19, 2007 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment
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No surprise at all when the devils dominate the globe. Our House and Senate ought to do every effort they have to tie up devils’ hands and do not let them do anything foolish.

The devils wanted to separate our nation with outside world with their bloody aspirations. How can we survive with such stupid leaders while they have only 2 years to go down to their graves ?

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By David Cullen, February 19, 2007 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment
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If this isn’t a bluff (and personally I think it would be a fool who laid money against Bush going to war in any given situation), this is the most worrying piece of news since Iraq. More here:

http://www.inmyhumbleetc.co.uk/?p=31

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By Jeff Badura, February 19, 2007 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment
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I can’t wait!! Bomb, Bomb, Bomb,,,, Bomb, Bomb, Iran!!

For Iran is the #1 “Terror State” they are actively killing US troops in Iraq! Bombing of their military and Nuke facilities is long over due!!!!!

George Bush’s gift to the American people before he leaves office: Rendering Iran impotent!!

Thanks Bush !!! You’ll get your bust on Mt. Rushmore yet!!

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