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Posted on Feb 14, 2007
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(c) Nina Berman/Redux Pictures

From AlterNet:

Former Marine Sgt. Ty Ziegel, wounded in Iraq in December 2004 by a suicide car bomber, stands with his high school sweetheart, Renee Kline, at a photo studio on the morning of their wedding day, October 7, 2006.

Renee has continued to support her husband, who returned home to Illinois after undergoing 50 surgeries and 19 months of rehabilitation.

[This] photo, taken by Nina Berman, won a 1st prize in the World Press Photo Awards last week. To see more pictures of Ziegel and his wife, visit

Anyone seeking to help should send donations to, an organization that aids military families and has helped Ty and his family during his rehabilitation.

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By TheEnd, February 21, 2007 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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A Republican,

I was just wondering: about how much reality TV would you say you watch in a week (that includes the 24/7 TV news, of course)?  I can only assume from your comment that it’s too much.  If you really read this news story, saw the photograph, read comments by the other users, and had only ridicule for all of it, I’m concerned you might be a sociopath.  Check out these symptoms and see if any look familiar:

• not learning from experience
• no sense of responsibility
• inability to form meaningful relationships
• inability to control impulses
• lack of moral sense
• chronically antisocial behavior
• no change in behavior after punishment
• emotional immaturity
• lack of guilt
• self-centeredness

If you didn’t see yourself in the above list, then your REALLY may have a problem.  But don’t worry; you can get help!  Traditionally, people with your disorder don’t seek treatment so recovery rates are low.  But that doesn’t have to be you.  Psychotherapy, group therapy, and family therapy are common non-medical treatments (in case you fear more your own than someone else’s pain.)

If all of this seems like too much, the easiest thing to do is, in the future, keep your Frat Hole shut when something comes up requiring a moral compass! - TheEnd

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By A Republican, February 17, 2007 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment
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Why did this girl marry one of those thumb creatures from the movie Spy Kids?

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By lani, February 15, 2007 at 11:52 pm Link to this comment
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This is photography at it’s finest.The collaboration between the Ziegels and Nina Berman is so moving. I will think about it for a long time. In some ways these are some of the most powerful photos of the war I have seen. The desire for a normal life after the tremendous physical and spiritual injury to this young man and women is overwhelming.This is the the kind of honesty that can bring the reality of war home to may people.I weep for them.

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By Mark Dolce, February 15, 2007 at 10:23 pm Link to this comment
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Look closely at the expression on her face and look even closer to even see if you can see an expression on his face - but you can if you look closely - keep looking.

This is what WWI was supposed to teach us - the damaged were so damaged they were not even photographed or paid attention to - they had been so maimed and disfigured we, the general public, could stand to see them - the governments of France and England did not want us to see them - because they reminded us of the cost of war - the horror of war.

Beyond the soldiers themselves, our mothers pay the highest price of war - it is their sons and husbands that go to war and do not come back - or come back physically disfigured. But what about the psychologically scarred? What about them? Do not cut “them” off in traffic, do not stop serving “them” a beer if they get a little out of hand or its closing time, do not be caught with “them” in a post office on a bad day and don’t be in a crowded office space when “they” loose their shit - or an a freeway when they fee like raging because they got cut off.


- Pallets of cash go to Iraq on C-130’s and coffins draped in American flags come back - coffins the administration does not want us to see.
- Sale of “de-commissioned” Tomcat F-14 fighter parts to Iran while President Bush calls for attention to fight Iran for supplying weapons to Iraq that are harming our troops in Iraq.
- The Inspector General finds the “intelligence” to invade Iraq in 2003 “inappropriate.”
- President Bush quotes “intelligence” sources private to him and him alone as just cause to fight Iran.

Question: Is this the same “intelligence” President Bush used to invade Iraq in 2003? Are these the same sources that led him to persuade the American public to believe there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq and a link to Al-Qaeda with Saddam?

Wake up and smell the coffee. Is there a pattern here or is it just me?

We need our internal checks and balances to show up now and earn their paycheck. I do not care about Democrat and Republican. This war is beyond rational and it is beyond partisanship.

We have 3,000 + killed, 20,000 + wounded and 500 + maimed for life - LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPH. We have spent biliions of dollars and the president wants more money and he wants to send more troops to Iraq. There are Millions of Iraqi refugees and thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths because of this war.

All in the name of democracy. All in the name of revenge for 9-11.

And really, after four years, it is in the name of capitalism. And Greed. And power. And it came from and it comes from America - our country - our land - our government.

We can take back our country. We had our Civil War - let them have theirs.

The more this war in Iraq continues the closer we, the American citizens, come to loosing our country. We are losing our country to Fascism.

Check it.

Here are the fourteen tell tale signs of Fascism:
(We know this because of what we “learned’ from Spain and Italy and Germany in the 30’s and 40’s.)

1) Powerful and Continual Nationalism
2) Disdain for Human Rights
3) Identification of Enemies as a Unifying Cause
4) Supremecy of the Military
5) Rampant Sexism
6) Controlled Mass Media
7) Obsession with National Security
8) Religion and Government Intertwined
9) Corporate Power Protected
10) Labor Power Supressed
11) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14) Fraudulent Elections

Mark Dolce

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By G.Anderson, February 15, 2007 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment
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My heart goes out to this young couple, I hope and pray that your example of love and courage, will give others the strength to fight against the insanity of those that have done this to you.

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By cadence, February 15, 2007 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment
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No, Johnny Farout is right. It is a gruesome photograph, and the bride is tragic.  Look again—she is America, married to a monstrous macho myth.  I too hope that she breaks from the nightmare soon.  Or should we drown in blind devotion and patriotic sentimentality? When do we accept that supporting the troops means supporting their actions?  How about now? It is self delusion to say you support peace and that you support the troops.  You just can’t have it both ways.  Don’t send your children to war.  They’ll turn into monsters.

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By TrueObserver, February 15, 2007 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment
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This photo is SHOCKING!!  All the more so because it is/was all so unnecessary. All the Vets who are now maimed for life, blinded, their faces burnt off, their legs blown off or their hands or arms, braindamaged. The carnage is INSANE, and that’s what we are looking at, a picturre of insanity, yes and perhaps a highscvhool loyalty/love. But the photo itself, if you don’t know these two, appears as a vision of insananity. And the world in Iraq is far worse, because it is happening everyday there, these things, the killing and the maiming.
        The bush regime is fully reponsible and the Congress aided and abetted them in creating this madness we are now engulfed in. May they pass quickly from the pages of history.

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By Frank Martino, February 15, 2007 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment
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Send this photo to G.Bush and the neo-cons. Lets kill more in Iran

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By plainbrown1, February 15, 2007 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment
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Far from being a picture of sadness, I see this as being a picture of faith, commitment and the deepest of love. These two, who have sacraficed so much, have still shown the courage and commitment to hold on to each other. There is undoubtably a tough road ahead, but the willingness to begin this part of their journey through life by ignoring the superficial and holding tight to the substance is both admirable and amazing.

I can only add my prayers to theirs and to wish them the very best. They have paid heavily and I am surely in their debt.

I wish them love, an alieviation of pain and a lifetime of hope and happiness.

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By Steve Hammons, February 15, 2007 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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The severity of damage to human beings in this war is astounding.

The people who started this and who want to keep it going have complex and sick psychological characteristics that we might want to try to understand.

For more on this, see:

Iraq War Psychology: Exploring hearts and minds of U.S. officials, press, profiteers

By Steve Hammons
Populist Party of America
February 15, 2007

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By michael, February 15, 2007 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment
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hey johnny farout….keep your runaway comments to yourself..obviously you dont know love or ever will

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By Big Al, February 15, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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Chaseme says the Iraq war was “All because many wanted to keep their SUVs”.

This is a version of the “war for oil” slogan. It doesn’t square with reality.

This war very predictably has driven gas prices UP, making it HARDER for people to “keep their SUVs”.

The upcoming war against Iran, being ginned up by the same people who sold us the Iraq war, is likely to drive gas prices ASTRONOMICALLY higher, while driving the dollar down the toilet. This will make it IMPOSSIBLE for Americans to “keep their SUVs”.

So this wasn’t a war to “keep our SUVs”.

This was a war for Israel - as is (even more obviously) the upcoming war against Iran.

Israel doesn’t care if we Americans lose our SHIRTS, along with our SUVs.

Mr. Ziegel’s face was burnt off for Israel’s strategic goals of regional domination and territorial expansion. He and the former Miss Kline may or may not think this was worth the destruction of his face; but that IS what happened.

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By trantieungoc, February 15, 2007 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment
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Roses are red
Violets are blue
Hey Bush/Cheney
We HATE you

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By Quy Tran, February 15, 2007 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment
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Do Bush/Cheney princesses have enough courage to be married to the bridegroom like former Sergeant Ty Ziegel ?

Look at him we all have applaused Bush/Cheney glories !

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By johnnyfarout, February 15, 2007 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
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I just can’t look at this picture. I saw it for a few moments on another website and I had to turn away. The shock&awe;, and stark sadness in the face of this young woman have us all looking deep into the core of the ravages of this Iraq War. The happy wedding day transformed into sadly destroyed dreams. All I could do was imagine the stream of feelings that led this woman to “go all the way” with her sweetheart who is no longer so sweet. Such bravery of life choices. I hope she breaks free of this nightmare sometime soon. Where is the chutspa to be a runaway bride when you really need it? Jesus help the helpless, who love love, and are victims of high school’s despairing fantasies. Save us from sinking quietly down under the terrible weight of “the right thing to do”. So much wrong can never be made right. The burden born by the innocent never transforms the guilty. The big warlords just hang the little warlords in the real world.

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By Dale Headley, February 15, 2007 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment
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I doubt very much that George Bush (contrary to his platitudinous repetitions of “thinking and praying for our soldiers every day”) loses a minute of sleep or utters a word of prayer over the horrific deaths and grievous wounds suffered by these young Americans who are sacrificing their bodies for his mad drive to deliver for his oil baron buddies.

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By DSmith, February 15, 2007 at 11:39 am Link to this comment
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Think of the handful of sorry bastards who promoted this war. They sit back in their fat cat penthouses, and or White House, while good people like this suffer for the rest of their lives. Man this is a pisser!


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By Dr.Knowitall, PhD, PhD, February 15, 2007 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
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I can make no sense of this at all.  Ziegel’s story and tragedy is now commonplace. I imagine he still believes in what he’s been through.  Please tell me why Americans continue to justify to themselves that the Iraq/Middle East fighting is noble.  I think Mid-Easterners, as a group, are crazed by religion and out-of-control sectarianism and a natural resource they are ill-equipped to manage, and no one, not even the Omnipotent, Omniscient US of A is going to change that.  We suffer from out-of-control ignorance and arrogance and Ziegel is yet another victim.

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By Chaseme, February 15, 2007 at 2:09 am Link to this comment
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This is only the beginning folks! Remember, many of you voted for him. And, the rest of us sat back and allowed him steal the other votes.

All because many wanted to keep their SUVs and the rest of us wanted to keep our jobs. Until we were called terrorist because we spoke out against the war.

At some point this has to end. At some point, we have to begin to understand, it’s crazy. Somebody please send of some prayer!

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