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Posted on Feb 8, 2007
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
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Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (2004 photo).

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warned Thursday that Iran would respond to an attack by striking against U.S. interests around the world.

Iran’s supreme leader noted that President Bush is seen as reckless, but suggested “it is possible to bring this kind of person to wisdom.” That’s easy for him to say; we’ve been trying for years without any luck.


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Speaking to a gathering of Iranian air force commanders, Khamenei said: “The enemy knows well that any invasion would be followed by a comprehensive reaction to the invaders and their interests all over the world.”

Iranian leaders often speak of a crushing response to any attack. While the remarks are seen as an attempt to drum up national support, Iran’s position on Iraq and its nuclear program have provoked more than usual international pressure in recent months.

President Bush has ordered American troops to act against Iranians suspected of being involved in the Iraqi insurgency and has deployed a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf area as a warning to Iran. The U.N. Security Council has imposed sanctions because of Iran’s refusal to cease uranium enrichment.

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By TAO Walker, February 9, 2007 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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RAE (#52470) wonders whether some fundamental flaw in human nature makes it impossible to resolve the Pandora’s boxful of self-inflicted miseries, rampant among the civilized nations, in a way we all might stand at least a GhostDancer’s chance to go on living with.  It is suggested the flaw might be a congenital inability to, in a word, grow-up.

RAE is right-on-the-money there, at least as far as the civilized peoples are concerned.  A key element in the civilizing (us Indians call it, much more honestly and accurately, the domestication) process is to arrest the processees at a level of organic development more-or-less short of maturity.  So it is perhaps unwelcome as information, but none-the-less true, that among the civilized breeds of humanity there are no grown-ups.  Nor will there ever be any, because the entire operation is designed to prevent them.

Among Two-leggeds here only us “ikche wichasha” (free wild natural human beings)are still able to reach adulthood.  And if you’ll look around at others among our relatives here you’ll see the same thing applies with them.  The domesticated, factory-farmed, feed-lotted, slaughter-housed varieties of Four-leggeds, wingeds, smimmers, and so on also never complete the natural life-cycle of their kind.  It is everywhere and always the sorry lot of livestock.

So RAE’s despair is not without foundation in fact.  But that fact is not some inherent flaw in humanity itself.  In our natural condition we’re every bit as well-suited to the organic living arrangement here as anyone.  It is the ravages of civilization that have so many people of so many kinds so thoroughly fucked-up.

The medicine they need is already in them, though.  It is their essential human nature itself, and the organic function of humanity within the living body of Mother Earth.  Throwing-off the trappings of civilization to uncover our real nature, and remembering our actual place in the living arrangement here, and getting fully engaged in cleaning up this mess, is all that’s needed for our unfortunate domesticated sisters and brothers to exit the world-o’-hurt they’re stuck in today and find themselves once again fully functional Song-and-Dancers in the Great Hoop of Life Herownself.

Those who’ve yet to try it maybe ought not to knock it, either.

HokaHey!

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By RAE, February 9, 2007 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment
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Poor Jim in #52587… his fundamental error, of course, is to assume that his “Senator” either cares or has any real influence on those “in authority.”

Jim… in case you haven’t noticed… THE ENTIRE SENATE IS IMPOTENT! For all the good they’re doing they might just as well not exist (and if they didn’t we’d all be able to take a tax cut of about 50% which is about what they waste on salaries, perks and other irrelevant “initiatives”.)

To John Lowell #52496, ... no I don’t “really imagine that the trouble here has simply to do with a certain petulance and an unwillingness on the part of world leaders generally to engage in a form of American Psychological Association approved conflict resolution?”

My thesis was that there’s TOO MUCH FAST MONEY just waiting to be made in WAR. Certainly PEACE can also be prosperous but nowhere near as quick and easy. Given our (the human race) PROVEN propensity for GREED and AVARICE, the lure of the lucre consistently trumps all other considerations, INCLUDING A LIVABLE ENVIRONMENT. The last man breathing will own ALL THE GOLD! Like the bumper sticker… “He who has the most toys when he dies, WINS!” And that’s about as much forward vision the average man has these days.

And to Terry #52507…
“...it is this attachment that causes them to see their every use of force as comparable to the “good guys” standing up to “evil” in WWII.”

Yup… far too many John Waynes and far too few John Lennons.

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By Toby, February 9, 2007 at 10:03 am Link to this comment
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The nations are divided on how to punish Iran. Pardon my ignorance, but for what? Not being a democrat nation like ... uh ... oh, Iraq maybe? (Well, we’re working on it, Iraq I mean ... sorta.)

Seems to me the best way to see a nation embrace the notion of free anything is to leave them alone. Eventually corruption falls under it’s own weight, like the old USSR. (And they did that folks, not Reagan)

Look Dick, see China. Look Dick, China is becoming very capitalist. Which raises the question do we really want all other nations in the world to be democracies? Of course not. We really want all other nations in the world to be Capitalists controlled by the Dicks of the “free” world. Meanwhile, back in the play house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the children are beating their bongos while they happily make up criminal charges to level at the bad guys running Iran, the country they don’t want to attack. Creative play, so good for developing small minds. And what’s that got to do with threats from the Ayatollah anyway? Well not much other than he seems to not believe them either.

Speaking of creative play, latest Booga Booga from most favored Think (half empty or half full of crap) Tanks ... Iran sponsors terrorism ... ough.
Look Dick. Look in the pretty mirror.

Now we get to watch the media entertain us while they debate the merits of the Ayatollahs threat.
Missiles?
Bombs?
That dreaded Nuke they don’t have?
Do you suppose they may actually mention the “O” word?

Maybe we need to hop skip (bomb) over Iraq to the land of milk and honey and paranoia, and ask them. Whatever do you suppose the Ayatollah means?

So, is Iran the greatest country in the world? No. Neither was Iraq before we decided to “liberate” them, but at least they were intact. Certainly cant say that now, can we. So, should we wonder how much “better” Iran might be if we decide to “improve” them too?

My golly, is there anyone in D.C. that actually knows how to think? Speaking of which, I write my rep and senators frequently. Phone their offices too. Believe it or not, they usually respond, even when my frustration leads to silliness. Like the time I suggested the best way to wall the “aliens” out was to hire them to build the wall. Would be quicker, cheaper and probably better built. To which I got the following response. “I will keep your suggestion in mind.”

So, like it or not, here we are back to that dirty three letter word. Oh I know, we don’t depend on Iran for oil. Thirty percent of the world does but we don’t. Besides if Iran shuts down it’s oil exports look at the opportunities that presents. Double, triple maybe quadruple profits for our Capitalist brothers!

Not to worry! As long as we can manage to keep gas in our war machines and make it to the Mall, we’ll be OK. OK?

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By John Lowell, February 9, 2007 at 1:00 am Link to this comment
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Hello Esther,

Yes, yet I’m described by DNC true believer, Glenn Greenwald, author of the leftist blog, Unclaimed Territory, as “destructive” and “feverish” when characterizing our AIPAC owned, one party state as a dictatorship, that despite the man’s own writing identifying the very same underlying malady! This is what passes for “analysis” from the party faithful at the moment. No, the answer to this question isn’t to be found in electing bacterial Democrats like Clinton, Edwards or Biden, it’s in kicking the money lenders out of the temple. The loss of our nation’s independence in respect of Middle Eastern policy is a disgrace, something akin to a form of servitude. It’s no less than a cancer that requires excision. And there’ll be likely no fixing it short of the kind of demonstrations witnessed last year in Ukraine.

John Lowell

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By Jim, February 8, 2007 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment
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It is good that all of you have expressed your thoughts.  It is only one of the freedoms that you enjoy in the United States of America.

Each of you is pointing fingers, yet doing nothing to back up your point of view.  Have you ever written a city, state or federal representative about your views?  If you have I applaud you.  If you haven’t I am dissapointed. 

Blogging is a great way to vent your feelings and gain support, however it is much more effective to write your state representative and senator.  At the very least an aid will see your letter, at the very most your letter will be considered by your Senator.

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By Marc, February 8, 2007 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment
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So what! we dont want Iran to have bomb.because those terrorist country like Iran can not have bomb.I hope for My president and all those country that agree with Unite State to act try to bring Iran president to his knee.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, February 8, 2007 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment
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It’s easy for intelligent Americans to admit their leaders need to be “brought to wisdom,” but I seriously doubt that any of us agree that that it’s feasible any leader in the mid-East, given their disregard for human life and human rights, are going to be the one’s to educate Bush.  Like American mis-leaders, they need to get themselves an education before they go about teaching.  Such arrogance.  I think working people the world over ought to unite against their ignorant, arrogant, greedy, self-serving, and, in some cases, mentally incompetent, mis-leadership because the latter sure as hell aren’t acting in the interest of world peace or their subjects.

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By dick, February 8, 2007 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment
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Israel will be estatic. The more mayhem for us, the better for them, they believe.

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By Kol Klink, February 8, 2007 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment
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According to a Craig Ungar writing in Vanity Fair this month Grover Norquist and pals are pushing Bush hard to attack Iran. See link below.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/

In addition the same article contains quotes from retired defense official Patrick Lang saying that the Iran invasion plans have been shifted from Centcom to Stratcom. Stratcom is responsible for nuclear planning. Lang noted that the shift to Stratcom ‘indicated that they are planning a really punishing air force and naval attack against Iran.’

Also in the article is a quote from former CIA officer Philip Geraldi. ‘I have heard from sources at the Pentagon that their impression is that war is going to happen.’

I hope this is all just more bluff. If it isnt our world is going to change quickly and drastically. We might not even recognize it. Is there no way to stop the lunatics?

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By vet240, February 8, 2007 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment
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Great Britain, Spain, Rome, France, The Soviet Union America and others have proven many times the futility of Occupation and Imperialism. They work for the short haul but have no staying power.

Russia lost in Afghanistan, we have lost in Iraq. Our failures has emboldened and taught the Insurbents how to defeat an occupying force. We did it against Great Britain in the 18th century. Nuclear power and expensive high tech weaponry cannot stand up to the will of a people.

War is no longer a viable option. Negotiation is the only option.

The Pentagon must be put back in the bottle. It’s no longer effective.

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By 127001, February 8, 2007 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment
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States: “... suggested “it is possible to bring this kind of person to wisdom.” That’s easy for him to say; we’ve been trying for years without any luck.”

That last sentence on the first page made me laugh! It is so ...

Rational!

while it seems so much that comes out of politicians (and others) these days is totally irrational.

The saying is that: “If you are standing inside the mirror, you can’t see the reflection of who you are or what you are doing.”

In history its so hard to have a true record of the “rational” of the times. I think we are at an age where technology, hopefully, will show that the masses ... the citizens ... are the rational ones and their governments are the zealots with a destructive cause. The electronic communication, globally, will hopefully be salvaged through whatever does happen, through time and space.

I find it “curious” (for lack of a better term), that in the past week or so the only true rational and wise-sounding statements quoted by the media have been from (1) China; and now (2) Iran.

Both “sound” more like leaders than Bush with his manic presentations in almost everything he does. It’s scary.

And I still find it impressive (at least regarding what I am privy to via news and media) that in all of this, these countries have not “pointed fingers” more (they have, but not as much as I would have expected ... yet) at the U.S. and the atrocities here, as the U.S. has continued to point a finger at an injustice in another country, while doing that deed and worse here in America.

Ultimately, the real war that is going to happen for the U.S. is not going to be on the other side of the world. I know this for such a certainty I can’t emphasize it enough.

The true and most violent and destructive war for the U.S. has already started, and is on the streets of almost every community already.

The war of citizen against citizen, religion against religion, and people against their government.

And I think that so many already know this and its despairing to realize within one’s own thoughts ... to voice it somehow means it is real.

(shaking head).....

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By Terry, February 8, 2007 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #52470 by RAE:

“I find it hard to believe that people such as the Ayatollah, George Bush, Tony Blair, et al, are so ignorant as to not KNOW FOR A CERTAINTY that hauling out the guns and blazing away causes untold waste and grief in the process and usually SOLVES NOTHING.”
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Rae, the only comparison they ever accept is WWII. 

Most of the neocons are strongly attached to Israel, and it is this attachment that causes them to see their every use of force as comparable to the “good guys” standing up to “evil” in WWII.

They even argue that WWII should have been fought PRE-EMPTIVELY, before Hitler ever attacked anyone.

We’re supposed to go around the Middle East, finding potential future evils, and preventing them - by destroying whole countries and killing thousands or even millions of people.

And what’s the criterion for these “preventive” aggressions? Basically this: if Israel doesn’t like them, we take them out.

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By Esther, February 8, 2007 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment
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from John Lowell:

“And when it comes to Iran we have all the assurance of Democrat Clinton’s pandering and Edward’s recent pledge of allegiance at Herzliya. “


Isn’t it outrageous, John? OUR presidential candidates kick off their campaigns by going to ISRAEL and promising them OUR blood and treasure! Never mind the cost to those stupid people back home—you know, those dumb Americans will just roll over for the Chosen Nation.

And don’t worry - if the war against Iran causes gasoline to become more expensive than extra virgin truffle oil, Israel will suffer no economic consequences: AIPAC will just rush a zillion dollar “aid” package through Congress—all borrowed from the Chinese, of course.

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By John Lowell, February 8, 2007 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment
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Rae,

With all respect to you personally, you really imagine that the trouble here has simply to do with a certain petulance and an unwillingness on the part of world leaders generally to engage in a form of American Psychological Association approved conflict resolution? There’s a pattern of provocation and aggression here that’s being repeated again and again and its not originating in Iran. It doesn’t reduce to a matter of why it is that we just can’t get along.

John Lowell

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By ahem, February 8, 2007 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
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no, there’s no bringing this most spoiled, nazi enamored boy to reason.
i’m not a felon; boy bush stole an election and has killed a million people due to his illusions of entitlement.
therefore, i declare, as a higher ranking citizen than he, a citizen’s arrest. somebody go get him before he kills us all.

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By RAE, February 8, 2007 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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What confounds me above all else is the inability of our leaders - ANY OF THEM - to learn from history.

I find it hard to believe that people such as the Ayatollah, George Bush, Tony Blair, et al, are so ignorant as to not KNOW FOR A CERTAINTY that hauling out the guns and blazing away causes untold waste and grief in the process and usually SOLVES NOTHING.

I find it astonishing that these “leaders” cannot find a way to resolve disputes in a WIN-WIN fashion instead of ALWAYS going for the LOSE-LOSE.

Can it be that there’s just TOO MUCH MONEY to be made in the military-industrial complexes by the “haves” to ever even consider not going to war? There’s no money in sitting down and working things out… so WAR IT IS! Whoopee!

Perhaps these “leaders” are simply a reflection of the flaws in the human race… in all of us… we never quite mature… like kids in kindergarten when we don’t get our way immediately we strike out.

Perhaps there’s nothing wrong with out leaders that isn’t wrong with all of us. Depressing.

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By Quy Tran, February 8, 2007 at 10:16 am Link to this comment
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The two heavyweight boxers are ready for their fights. Devil meets with devil !

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By Big Al, February 8, 2007 at 10:04 am Link to this comment
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Watch.

Israel and its agents in the Bush administration will cite Iran’s totally justified threat of retaliation as an “aggression” that demands that we invade and destroy Iran ASAP.

Israel is an umitigated curse upon the United States.

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By John Lowell, February 8, 2007 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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Now the fruit of the recent provocations. One might ask if we should have expected anything else if one weren’t already aware that this effect was the objective in the first place. Der Fuehrer is just spoiling for war with Iran, you can almost feel the desire raging in him. And when it comes to Iran we have all the assurance of Democrat Clinton’s pandering and Edward’s recent pledge of allegiance at Herzliya. What will it take to end this one party dictatorship, unending demonstrations a la Ukraine?

John Lowell

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By Steve Hammons, February 8, 2007 at 9:21 am Link to this comment
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Will these warnings by Iran be heard by US officials? Or, do certain officials and groups actually want a much wider war—a World War III?

This is why warnings from our own admirals and generals, those in Congress, our intel community, international friends, etc. may make no difference to Bush, Cheney and their associates.

Their thinking is something that we cannot assume we fully understand. They could be mentally and emotionally disturbed in some way or simply have short-term and long-term goals that involve expanding international war.

For more food for thought on this, the article below may be of interest:

Will Bush, Cheney attack Iran? When and why?

Steve Hammons
American Chronicle
February 1, 2007

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=20093

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