Back to the subject:

“The Maine Legislature on Jan. 26 overwhelmingly passed a resolution objecting to the Real ID Act of 2005. The federal law sets a national standard for driver’s licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.”

BUT Maine already “links” to the national system!

If I get a speeding ticket in Florida, Virginia, New Jersey, Oklahoma (or any other state) Maine records that ticket against my “points” they get the information from the Federal violations bank.

Once States guarded the information provided to them but, not now,  Maine sells its drivers license information (excepting the social security number) to marketing firms UNLESS you specifically request (in writing) that they not do that. Lets face it…. Government (at any level) will do anything for a buck!

Honcho,

Let me ‘splain something to you (God, that sounds stupid):

Fact: You have to make up dictionary definitions to support your cause, because the real definitions (those agreed upon/accepted by Americans as shown in Websters New World Dictionary) don’t suit your alternate reality.  Your definitions are not anymore real than mine would be if I wrote “Liberals = God’s chosen people / Conservatives = mule fuckers.”

Fact: George Washington stated “As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” Thomas Jefferson called for a “wall of separation between church and state.”  These are hardly conservative principles and certainly not by your fabricated definitions.

Fact:  You haven’t proven a thing, except for your own ignorance.  You pointed out that seven does not equal a dozen; no more and no less (the article was from AP). In effect, your “filled with lies” statement is, in fact, a lie.

Fact: A majority of Americans are NOT conservative.  Do your homework.

How do you know that a majority of Americans want ID cards?  What qualifies you to speak for what a majority of Amercians?  The fact is you don’t know and you can’t speak for anyone else.

So Honko, you use made-up words, you use made-up definitions, you use made-up statistics, and you are a liar.  And you call yourself a teacher?

On your horse John Wayne…

No Armed Henry, it’s not because I don’t agree with the dictionary. It’s because the dictionary definition is inaccurate. Here are the accurate definitions of the two words in question, minus any sarcasm on my part:

Conservatism—political thought that believes in a smaller national government (as the founders intended with the principle of “federalism”), strong national security, lower taxes, the free market with reduced government regulation, “original intent” interpretation of the Constitution, and traditional American values based in the Christian heritage provided by the founders.

Liberalism—political thought that believes in expanded powers of the national government at the expense of state rights, higher taxes to fund any number of social programs provided by the federal government, reduced spending for military/national security, increased government regulation of business, wide latitude to interpret the Constitution in different ways as our society evolves, and income redistribution (take from the rich , give to the poor).

Those are the accurate definitions. Our Founding Fathers were conservative to their very core. I would rather be conservative. So would a majority of Americans.

Enough of that, though. I thought this thread was about the “Ear To The Ground” piece concerning ID laws. I have proven that the above article is inaccurate (filled with lies) and nobody has tried to refute that. The truth is that a majority of Americans support ID laws. Another win for conservative truth vs liberal lies! Thanks for playing, eveybody!

Hondo,

The only thing that you have proved, as you always do, is that you are an ass.

Why do you now say that Webster’s Dictionary is not factual?  Because you don’t agree with it? You really are detached Hondo.  Get some help!

Oh, Hondo-Watch, you are quite the cleaver fellow. I’m a bit puzzled about your mule fetish, however. I thought this thread was about states “revolting” against voter ID laws, which I proved was false. It’s amazing to me that nobody has even attempted to rebut what I said, choosing instead to hurl insults and sexual invective at me. What a teachable moment we have here about the thought processes of the modern liberal as compared to the modern conservative (neither of which is addressed factually by Webster’s Dictionary).

All,

Ignore Hondo.  He only goes to “liberal” websites to promote his own blog and get hits.

He and his blog are so logically flawed that they are a complete waste of time to anyone.  You can see from below he has to write his own “Hondo’s Dictionary” definitions because reality simply doesn’t agree with this man. 

This man gives himself a John Wayne-fetish cyber-name and gets his rocks off by pretending to kick ass all over the web, probably becasue he is a sissy in real life.

The scary thing is this guy may be teaching children, or should I say brainwashing?  And you know how those christianist conservatives have a thing for mules?  Even scarier…

Comment #52781 by Hondo on 2/09 at 8:23 pm

“Hey Skruff, let me ‘splain something to you. When you say “people tend to expand their truth”, why don’t you just be honest and say, “liberals lie.” I would have more respect for you if you did!”

Sure glad to oblige…. liberals lie but so do conservatives, Greens, Communists, and Nazis.

People tend to expand their own truth.

For an instance.

The real id act is a proposal (now requirement) issued by homeland security that is aimed at making the driver’s license a national identity card.  Under the patriot act, the “stated” reason for this is to allow security to check identities when folks board planes, apply for pasports, or attempt to engage in inter-country commarce.  There is not a word in the origional proposal about voters.

HOWEVER

I approve of a system which identifies voters (people who wish to engage in the system) I believe that people who vote should be citizens of the jurisdiction where they cast their ballots

I just do not believe in making the real ID a requirement for aquiring a “DRIVER’S license.”

Don’t you see the hyprocracy?  CAll it what it is… force it on everyone… find out if Americans want a NATIONAL IDENTITY CARD

bet there would be a big-ole stink if the politicians (liberal, conservative, Republican & Democrat) tried to push that through.

....and the resistance would start at the Manchester Union Leader,NRA, Wyoming, Idaho, and in the Sportsman’s Alliance… not my idea of liberal entities.

It is my personal belief that folks who show up at liberal and conservative web sites and use a hostile approach to other (more reasoned) posters, are in fact doing one of two things, neither of which enhances discussion.

They are either out to stoke fires and watch people fume.

or

they are out to push folks further into the idology of the site. 

I have no idea which variety “Hondo” is (maybe something entirely different?) but the “let me ‘splain” phrase (which incidently is way over used)is an “enciter” 

what are your “splaining” qualifications.

If none, maybe you should try “it is my opinion?”

Hey Skruff, let me ‘splain something to you. When you say “people tend to expand their truth”, why don’t you just be honest and say, “liberals lie.” I would have more respect for you if you did! One other point, Skruff, before I deal with the other loons on this site—the ID law isn’t associated with our porous borders as much as it is the relentless cheating by Democrats in all elections. If you folks would just stop cheating, we would stop asking for Voter ID!

Outraged—the dictionary isn’t accurate because it doesn’t give the political definitions of the words “conservative” and “liberal.” Please allow me to give you definitions that are more accurate, courtesy of Hondo’s Conservative Truth Dictionary:

Liberalism—a cancer that renders the victim unable to tell right from wrong, good from evil, fact from fiction, or reality from delusion.

Liberals—people who prefer socialism to free market capitalism, Mommy and Daddy Government to individual initiative, and who absolutely oppose all of the foundational principles of the American republic.

Conservatives—people who agree with and support the foundational principles of the American republic. Conservatives believe in smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense, the sanctity of human life, and the Christian heritage of America.

I hope that helps!

Comment #51663 by Hondo on 2/04 at 10:38 pm

“This “Ear To The Ground” screed is a perfect example of the dishonesty that passes for “truth” on your woefully misnamed site. First you say that Maine “led the charge of about a dozen states” against the Voter ID Law. Then, it turns out that the actual number of states is only seven. That’s not “about a dozen.” Then, upon further review from more honest sources, it turns out that, in those seven states, laws aren’t “about to be passed.” There’s just some crochety liberals in those states that are raising hell.”

About the dishonesty you are probably correct. People tend to “expand” “their truth”

BUT about liberals being behind the opposition to the real ID act:

Maine did not lead the charge. New Hampshire (when it was still Republican) did.  With little fanfare, they deep-sixed the real id act provisions almost a year ago.

The NRA, and Sportsmen’s Rights are opposed to real id for the same reason they oppose (as I, a lifetime NRA member, do) gun registration.

Honest people should not have to give up their rights because it is too much work to identify those who are dishonest.

Why should I have to carry a National identification card just because my laughable government (under both D’s and R’s) can’t seal our borders?

If you believe (truely) that “liberals” are the sole foes of real id, look again. 
Why Georgia, Montana, and Wyoming?  Do you believe a “liberal” adgenda sells there?

To Hondo:

Once again permit me to quote from Webster’s New World Dictionary.

CONSERVATISM: the principles and practices of a conservative person or party; tendency to oppose change in institutions and methods.

LIBERALISM: the quality or state of being liberal; specif., a) a political philosophy advocating personal freedom for the individual, DEMOCRATIC FORMS OF GOVERNMENT, gradual reform in political and social institutions, etc. b) a movement in Protestantism advocating a broad interpretation of the Bible, freedom from rigid doctrine and authoritarianism, etc.
(caps. mine)

Now which one would you say is MORE like what America was founded upon and and would endorse every basic tenet of the U.S. Constitution?

Also in reference to your reference to “Texasgreen”;  The implication you make saying that “republicans” are “christian conservatives” is in erroneous.  the REPUBLICAN PARTY and the CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE are separate groups.  While one may endorse the other or vice-versa, they are no more synonymous than LIBERAL MOVEMENTS and DEMOCRATIC PARTY.  You claim to be a teacher of government, I would think you’d have known that.

They could just do a “signing statment.”
If the President has a signing statment right, we must all have it.
Is not the law the same for all?

Hondo, just what I expected yet another rant from a psycho so-called “Christian” wingnut. 

I truly wish there were a way to conscript every one of you and send you to Iraq.  No, wait, I wouldn’t want to inflict Iraq with such a dire consequence. 

What to do…what to do…

This “Ear To The Ground” screed is a perfect example of the dishonesty that passes for “truth” on your woefully misnamed site. First you say that Maine “led the charge of about a dozen states” against the Voter ID Law. Then, it turns out that the actual number of states is only seven. That’s not “about a dozen.” Then, upon further review from more honest sources, it turns out that, in those seven states, laws aren’t “about to be passed.” There’s just some crochety liberals in those states that are raising hell. How do you folks look yourselves in the mirror when you tell such bald-faced lies on a blog called “truthdig?”

To Texasgreen: The Republican Party has no core beliefs? Truly, you are a clear illustration of the debilitating effects of the cancer of liberalism! Please allow me to share with you the core values of Christian conservatives:

http://christianconservatives.blogspot.com/2007/02/liberalism-vs-foundational-principles.html

I hope that you notice that these core values are also the core values of our Founding Fathers, and that modern liberalism opposes each and every one of those core values.

And by the way, what’s this nonsense about Republicans seeking world domination? I thought it was those wacky lefties in the Democrat Party that were seeking to conquer the world with their “Science Fiction Global Warming Strategy.”

Goal of the NWO - chip the world and track it all

Must see: http://freedomfascism.bravenewtheaters.com:80

States - since when did it matter what the people in them want? It only matters which corporation will be getting the fat government contract attached to the Real ID Act.

There’re several ways to make money but not selling our personal information. Those who proposed a such stupid law have to be hanging high.

And this, from the party that supposedly has as a core belief, the rights of the states over federal domination!  The thing is, the current Republican Party has NO core beliefs at all, other than total world domination and complete control over the lives of the residents of the planet.  They’re starting right here at home, of course.  Look out!  Big Brother IS watching you!

Everybody, please, take a few minutes and read (or re-read) the Declaration of Independence.  It’s time to put those words into action once again.

Comment #51555 by Jim Goodson on 2/04 at 7:21 am says:

I firmly believe that if our borders were secured, then 9/11 would not have happened.

You are free to believe as you will, HOWEVER of the 19 hijackers 17 were here legally (with unexpired visa’s) of the 10 hijackers with flying school experience 7 were here on student visa’s and getting student aid from our “government” (sic)

I agree that we should secure our borders, AND expel the 20 million folks (regardless of nation of origion) who are here illegally, but the people in Washington masquerading as “our government” have already made a deal, and the reason no one wants to do anything about immigration is the people who could….are on the payroll of the people who want cheap labor.

Time for a 1776 style change in these United States.  The diseased system in this country needs surgery.

NO F****** Way!!!
How much or our personal independence and privacy are we expected to surrender because our government can’t secure our borders?

Folks… if you in the USA think you still have any privacy, you’re DREAMING IN TECHNICOLOR!

Privacy is dead and buried. The agencies of authority can find you and find out all about you any time they wish and without either your consent or your knowledge.

So why don’t you all just save a lot of time and aggravation by not complaining. Just all line up, like the sheep you are, and have a CHIP implanted so you can be electronically tracked and monitored from birth to the grave. You KNOW that’s where you’re headed so why waste time objecting?

Hypocracy!!  The Maine legislature “balked” on real ID because it is a R plan, and Maine is blue-blue-blue!

While I agree that “the privacy thing” is an issue, people should know that for the past six years Maine has been requiring SS #‘s as part of the “driver’s license renewal” process. These numbers are in turn provided to any insurance company, law enforcement personnel, or private detective   who requests them. There is no Maine law preventing these businesses from passing this information on.

So much for the Maine legislatures “concern for individual privacy.’

Interestingly enough, I have learned (after 45 years of driving) that my car starts and runs perfectly, even when I have no license in my pocket!

Not one of the so-called presidential candidates has said he or she would secure our borders. I firmly believe that if our borders were secured, then 9/11 would not have happened. Our government is negligent in fulfilling its responsibility to protect our people. Now it is taking all our money in the form of taxes and protecting corporate interest. and leaving the states to take care of themselves. This same senerio caused the great Civil War. George Bushe,s solution to Social Security, because Republicans never believed in it, is to bankrupt the nation

~Reclaimed, Undisputed & Inalienable Rights~

I swear that the information contained in this document is true and correct. All inalienable Rights explicitly reserved without prejudice,[U.C.C. 1-207] Registered with the____Secretary of State

~Writ of a Freeman’s Right to Travel~

Know all men by these presents, that I__________
do travel upon the Roadways, By-ways, Highways, and Air-ways of these United States, as a matter of asserted Common Law Rights. That I assert my full sovereignty as a free and natural person (Freeman) under the Common Law of the Constitution for the united States of America, to wit:

I direct you to the following WEB Site for clarification of the above.

http://www.wtpconstitutionalactivism.org/form-rights.htm

Have we ever wondered how our local, State, and Federal Government has enacted laws restricting our lives, travel, and rights of our Constitution-Bill of Rights? I will direct everyone to a little known deal between the bankers and the country’s of this world, and this Republic of these States united under the documents titled above.

Unknown by the average person of these united States is the ‘Bankruptcy’ of the Nations. Through this country’s of the world (North-America, and Europe) proclaiming Bankruptcy were incorporated into a World Corporation where the Banks of the world erased their sovereignty.

Here in the U.S. the States signed on with the Corporation’s headquarters in Washington, D.C. (that’s why D.C. can-not become a State)and the Constitution-Bill of Rights became ‘Only a Piece’ of paper, and the Uniform Commercial Code became the law of the land.

All Lawyers take a ‘Secret Oath’ not to expose this and follow the code. That is why most politicians are lawyers.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/secretoath.htm

I suggest those of you who do not want the States to know your private lives, movements, what you buy, think, etc, become free people with your Secretary of State.

Or get the ‘Mark of ‘The Beast’!

The ID card is un-American, but not the only assault on our freedoms. Under the disguise of convenience there is a move forcing electronic banking and pre-empting our currency. Some of the motivation is increasing grab for higher profits by making the customer jump through hoops for the benifit of corporate profit. Pay stations for utilites disappear and the poor are further impoverised by having to pay for bank services in order to pay their bills. Electronic devices allow business to twick their buying, decreasing variety and increasing their ability to micro manipulate the consumers income.

The slaves are helping to make their own slave collars.

Only 7 out of 50 states objected to the grotesque invasion of privacy!  That is a national disgrace!