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Posted on Dec 29, 2006
Bush and Saddam
Left: sattlers.org / right: theepochtimes.com

Saddam Hussein may be gone, but President Bush still has a souvenir he uses to titillate special guests: the pistol Saddam was carrying when he was captured. Like a child showing off his favorite toy, the president has been known to beam with delight when guests view the mounted weapon, which is held in the Oval Office.

One such guest remarked in 2004: “He really liked showing it off…. He was really proud of it.”

Time (5/29/2004):

When Saddam Hussein was rousted from his spider hole in Dawr, a town near Tikrit, by U.S. soldiers last December, Iraq’s fallen dictator was clutching a pistol. He is now in detention at an undisclosed location, being questioned by American authorities and awaiting charges for war atrocities and crimes against humanity. But what ever happened to the pistol?

The sidearm has made its way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Sources say that the military had the pistol mounted after the soldiers seized it from Saddam and that it was then presented to the President privately by some of the troops who played a key role in ferreting out the old tyrant. Though it was widely reported at the time that the pistol was loaded when they grabbed Saddam, Bush has told visitors that the gun was empty—and that it is still empty and safe to touch. “He really liked showing it off,” says a recent visitor to the White House who has seen the gun. “He was really proud of it.”

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By Jack, January 23, 2007 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment
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Wow! I thought the right wing was supposed to be the conspiracy nuts! I guess some people will twist, distort, or plain fabricate any and every “fact” to make a conservative President an object of hate. Strange, I also thought the right wingers had a patent on hate, and the left was the champion of Tolerance, but the most hateful vitriol seems to be coming from the left!

BTW, I agree completely with Makdaddy that our soldiers should be allowed to bring back civilian-legal weapons as trophies. One, it removes them from the area so the locals can’t use them; Two, it gives them a chance to show, in a concrete way, the good they did and are still doing (anybody notice that the Mahdi Army now considers itself “under seige”? That’s about as close to an admission of defeat as you’re likely to get!), and Three, it provides an object lesson on pride and duty from which future generations can learn. Pride in and duty to our nation are alien concepts for some, which makes it more important than ever to make sure those concepts endure.

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By makdaddy, January 6, 2007 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment
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Boggs—
What Fantasy Island have you been living on?? You should really turn us all on to them ‘shrooms you are doing!! Man your ideas are really put there!!

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By Boggs, January 5, 2007 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment
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Sony,
there aren’t many Iraqi’s who think they have won anything!!!!
They are the big losers in this fiasco and they are bewildered, wondering why, when the U.S. gets attacked by Saudi’s we in turn attack Iraq?
Saddam was no more a tyrant then Bush..
The mass graves caused by Bush filled with Iraqi babies, mothers and old people are much greater then anything Saddam did.
Most of us knew that 911 was designed for two reasons. To get the gas pipeline through Afghanistan and get control of the oil in Iraq.
Mission accomplished, almost. Iraq turned out to be not as complacent as Afghanistan.

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By Skruff, January 5, 2007 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #45690 by Sony on 1/04 at 10:46 pm Says:

I suggest that you look up a video that is going around called Saddam: An Innocent Man and you will see alot of his people saying how their families (even children) were taken and tortured and killed, they also received pictures of the dead bodies to taunt them. Many of them said to turn Saddam over to them so that they could do to him what he did to their loved ones. He even killed sports (soccer) athletes that did not win when he wanted them to.  This video states that 4500 villages were wiped out, you can see the results of the 3 types of chemicals he dumped on his own people! Marred for life! They state that 182,000 were killed but since 1988 1.3 million people in that country are unaccounted for.

Reagan/ Bush gave him the chemicals, told him he could run affairs in Iraq as he saw fit, and stood by while he murdered his own people.

Ford helped Sukarto kill 200,000 men women and Children in East Timor,

Kissenger and Bush-daddy conspired to assassinate Salvatore Allende, and replace him with one of the most brutal dictators in South America’s history…. (and that takes in a bunch of brutes.)

We were great friends with Brazil when the dictator there was routinely killing homeless children because they offended tourists.

Give me a break with this sanctomonious “America defender of the downtrodden shit!”

I dare say that Bush is better to us than Hussein was to his people!  Also, Clinton was the one that actually put this war into action….

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By Sony, January 4, 2007 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment
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“I support GB, My Country, and the servicemen of all branches. The Iraq war was essential, and Hussein needed to be stopped. The bleeding heart liberals of this country will be singing a different tune when they are digging shrapnel out of their own ass when these religious zealots attack this country again—and it will happen. It will just be too late to whine their way out of it. Anyone can look and see that these Muslims are serious,Savage, and are a menace to our way of life. If you’re not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem…... “

I back this statement up 100%!  Everyone is blaming Bush for all of this and it just had to be done.  I suggest that you look up a video that is going around called Saddam: An Innocent Man and you will see alot of his people saying how their families (even children) were taken and tortured and killed, they also received pictures of the dead bodies to taunt them. Many of them said to turn Saddam over to them so that they could do to him what he did to their loved ones. He even killed sports (soccer) athletes that did not win when he wanted them to.  This video states that 4500 villages were wiped out, you can see the results of the 3 types of chemicals he dumped on his own people! Marred for life! They state that 182,000 were killed but since 1988 1.3 million people in that country are unaccounted for. I dare say that Bush is better to us than Hussein was to his people!  Also, Clinton was the one that actually put this war into action….

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By Skruff, January 4, 2007 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #45407 by Makdaddy on 1/03 at 5:16 pm

The bleeding heart liberals of this country will be singing a different tune when they are digging shrapnel out of their own ass when these religious zealots attack this country again—and it will happen. It will just be too late to whine their way out of it. Anyone can look and see that these Muslims are serious,Savage, and are a menace to our way of life. If you’re not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem…...

My question sir is this:

If I have already HAD shrapnel removed from my body am I allowed to speak as a “realist” or do I still fall in your “liberal” catagory.

I remember the same feelings, told by the same type of people. I supported President Johnson who told us that “If South Vietnam falls, communisism’s next stop is California.

Two lies in one.. California was already communist, and North Vietnam couldn’t give a rat’s behind about anything outside the borders of a re-united Vietnam.

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By Makdaddy, January 3, 2007 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment
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The only thing wrong with Bush recieving that pistol is that the same men that presented him with that prize did not have the same rights to their own war trophy. I think it was, is, and always shall be, a shame and an injustice that our troops were not allowed to bring back registered and legal weapons as war trophies. The first troops over weren’t allowed to even bring back bayonets.
Our forces in every other war the US participated in were able to bring back semi auto pistols, Bolt rifles, semi auto rifles,bayonets, etc. Our troops in Iraq are NOT allowed to do so now. I am talking LEGAL firearms, Not full auto AK’s,RPG’s Ordinance, or stuff like that. I am talking legal approved guns dutifully recorded and have “Capture Papers” from the military authorities.
Troops that have grown up looking at Brother’s NVA SKS, Dad’s Nazi rifle, or pistol, Grandpa’s Kaiser’s rifle, great Grandpa’s Confederate cavalry sabre, etc….What kind of trophy do they have to “show off”?? None—and that is a shame and disgrace that our military services are that way, when these weapons, when found, are ran over by tanks, or blown in place with explosives.
If I was GB I would be proud of that weapon too, but why can’t the other soldiers be proud of their own?? This policy needs to be chenged before more misservice is done to our servicemen.

I support GB, My Country, and the servicemen of all branches. The Iraq war was essential, and Hussein needed to be stopped. The bleeding heart liberals of this country will be singing a different tune when they are digging shrapnel out of their own ass when these religious zealots attack this country again—and it will happen. It will just be too late to whine their way out of it. Anyone can look and see that these Muslims are serious,Savage, and are a menace to our way of life. If you’re not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem…...

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By Skruff, January 3, 2007 at 7:07 am Link to this comment
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Comment #45152 by Sony on 1/02 at 10:02 pm asks:
“are you referring to Kennedy?”

No, I’m referring to Johnson, and his Tonkin Gulf lie.  From that point, we expended close to 35,000 young men (and in those days they were almost all men) in a war that our leaders knew was based on deception.

In Saddam’s case.. we actually (under Reagan) GAVE him the chemical weapons which he was supposed to use against Iran.  That is why the Bush administration was so sure he had them.

BUT

Iraq with it’s run-a-way army was no threat to the US UNTIL we walked within their range…

any soldier knows that (unless rescuing brothers) this is a stupid move.

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By Sony, January 2, 2007 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #44557 by Skruff on 12/30 at 4:23 pm

Comment #44455 by Sony on 12/30 at 7:51 am says

“Hell, I would mount it and show it off also!  My son is a Marine and will be risking his life this March because of Hussein!  That pistol is a trophy of American victory, not only for us but also for Iraq.”

He won’t be risking his life because of Hussein he’ll be risking his life because GWB had incorrect intelligence reports, wanted oil revenue, and The MID needed something to do now that the Soviet threat is evaporated (incorrect intelligence there as I recollect also)

Tell you what though… Your son who actually will fight in Iraq deserves the pistol far more than does the chicken-hawk in the white house.

“You fasten the trigger so others can fire… then sit back and watch as the death count grows higher.”

Truth is often painful.  My generation was “played” by a lying president also… Only difference, he was a Democrat.


Are you referring to JFK?  I too went through all that and lost many friends in Vietnam, my brother served 2 yrs there.
I questioned my son’s decision to join the Marines and go to Iraq and his response was that he wants to protect me and all his fellow Americans. He believes that if it is not taken care of, there will be more 9/11s in the future. I have not really liked things that Bush has done but to be honest with you, I wonder where we would be right now had Kerry won the election?  I have to stand behind the President at this time, he was elected by the people and especially now I feel that we should support his decision to end these terroristic acts on our country.
In closing, I would like to request prayer for not only my son but also all the other men and women that are in other countries to protect and serve us.
I remember a time when everyone complained about what Hussein got away with and now that it has been taken care of, people still aren’t satisfied.

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By Kentucky Mike, January 2, 2007 at 6:21 am Link to this comment
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How does George get around the TOTAL ban on handguns in DC???  oh…. yeah, that’s right, he’s the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF!!!

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By Boggs, January 1, 2007 at 11:50 am Link to this comment
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How disgusting…..
I wonder if Bush has figured out which piece of Saddam he should give to Laura. She is just as much a beneficiary of this “War of Choice” as Bush/Cheney.

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By HeadlessHessian, December 31, 2006 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
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This entire matter is beyond sick, it’s brutally primitive and demonically barbaric. Bush is no better than a common criminal. Actually a common criminal would have enough guts to do the job himself. Bush did not, so I apologize to the common criminal.
As for:Comment #44455 by Sony:
First of all I’d like to say that I am very sorry that your son is going to Iraq, and I sincerely hope he comes back ok.
I agree with 44557. He will be risking it for GWB and the oil companies, and nothing else. Saddam was in no position to threaten us at all, this was all a hoax perpetrated by a murdering president. This president stated that he would ‘rather err on the side of life’ with respect to Schivo, why not with the rest of the nation?
The pistol is not a trophy of American victory, period. If you believed in this war at all (I never did) then we as a nation have failed miserably. Remember ‘win hearts and minds’? We have done neither, actually we’ve done worse.
As for the pistol, hah! It is just an object retrieved from a despot hiding in a dirt hole underground. Some trophy! That pistol should be returned to Iraq and its people. Lord knows how many were murdered by it.
I don’t see any other world leader holding something from another as a trophy!
One despot holding another despot’s weapon…as a trophy?...How ironic.  How idiotic and barbaric!!

Headless

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By Bluestocking, December 31, 2006 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
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The fact that Bush apparently has Hussein’s gun and displays it proudly in the Oval Office as a trophy of sorts makes it very difficult if not impossible to dispute the allegation that Bush was determined to topple Hussein for personal reasons—whether to take revenge for Hussein’s plot to assassinate Bush Sr. or as a way of getting the better of Bush Sr. (or possibly both).

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By mickeyjay31, December 31, 2006 at 5:05 am Link to this comment
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Can someone please take the gun away from this man before he decides that the 7/11 on the corner has weapons of mass destruction and “goes in himself”.  Bush with a weapon—scarey!

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By Louise, December 30, 2006 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment
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I think it’s kind of sad ... in a sick sort of way ... Bush showing off the one and only tangible he can see and touch and claim as validation of his GWOT, his Global War On Terror ... his “mission” ... celebrating what smug conceit demands he call a victory! The closest Mr. Bush can come to any of it is to display an empty gun, eagerly surrendered ... taken by someone else, in a war being fought by someone else, in a place and a way that he can never, ever know. That trophy probably feels about as real as his plastic turkey did. Then again, when ego is everything it’s probably a terrific attention getter!

On second thought, waste no sympathy on the “war prez.” The sympathy should be saved for those who chose and still choose to believe this man is behaving responsibly. Marines and soldiers are risking and giving their lives every day in Iraq, but not because of Hussein. Need I remind anyone Saddam Hussein never in his entire bloody career actually did anything to us!

Nor, did the Iraqi people ... until WE invaded THEIR country!

Even members of the Iraq Study Group accept that the people of Iraq are probably worse off now than under Saddam.

Since it turns out the only close to legitimate excuse for this war was to remove the dictator Saddam, and since we did and since he’s dead now ... lets call the war over and busy ourselves with repairing the damage Rummy’s bad management and Bushes bad judgment have done to our military our nation and our reputation in the world. Then, after the Iraqis have sufficiently forgiven us, we can go back and rebuild the infrastructure we destroyed.

I know ... but wouldn’t it be nice?

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By Skruff, December 30, 2006 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #44455 by Sony on 12/30 at 7:51 am says

“Hell, I would mount it and show it off also!  My son is a Marine and will be risking his life this March because of Hussein!  That pistol is a trophy of American victory, not only for us but also for Iraq.”

He won’t be risking his life because of Hussein he’ll be risking his life because GWB had incorrect intelligence reports, wanted oil revenue, and The MID needed something to do now that the Soviet threat is evaporated (incorrect intelligence there as I recollect also)

Tell you what though… Your son who actually will fight in Iraq deserves the pistol far more than does the chicken-hawk in the white house.

“You fasten the trigger so others can fire… then sit back and watch as the death count grows higher.”

Truth is often painful.  My generation was “played” by a lying president also… Only difference, he was a Democrat.

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By Jon B, December 30, 2006 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment
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What if one of his guests asked, why did you get into Iraq to begin with?

I’ll bet ya WMD and false pretenses wouldn’t be part of his answer.

Good grief.

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By Rick, December 30, 2006 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment
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I’m sorry, could someone remind me again… which one of these guys is (was) the madman?

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By Quy Tran, December 30, 2006 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
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They both look alike brothers.

Congratulations to King George because he just got a new blood brother !

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By G. Anderson, December 30, 2006 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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“There is a sort of gruesome repulsion in the sight and story of an American President gathering trophies like some perverted serial killer.”

Truer words were never spoken….

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By dparker, December 30, 2006 at 10:32 am Link to this comment
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Maybe Bush could have a lampshade made from some of Hussein’s skin.

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By Rodney Matthews, December 30, 2006 at 10:31 am Link to this comment
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What else do you expect from a cowboy who thought the
Iraquis were his Indians. He caught and excuted Sitting Bull {Saddam}. He signed death warrants like the old west judges. He treats winning wars like sporting events,without any thought of the death and destruction left behind. He symbolizes White male supremacy and win at all costs. And he gloats and demeans his opponent without any degree of humility or respect for others. So I ask again,What else would you expect?

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By DOIretired, December 30, 2006 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
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A weapon on government grounds?  People get fired for that…

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By anonymous, December 30, 2006 at 9:46 am Link to this comment
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Where’s he gonna put Saddam’s head?

Bush paid for it with other people’s money & other people’s kids and proved long ago that he’d never risk anything of his own or even show up if he had to look at the results of his ignorance. 

Cheney pays people to make it easy to hunt but he’d never give up the killing.

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By Sony, December 30, 2006 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
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Hell, I would mount it and show it off also!  My son is a Marine and will be risking his life this March because of Hussein!  That pistol is a trophy of American victory, not only for us but also for Iraq.

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By DennisD, December 30, 2006 at 8:35 am Link to this comment
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As usual George was thousands of miles away when the fighting and dying was going on. I’m glad he got his souvenir, he can show it to the families of the dead and wounded American soldiers. I’m sure when they see it, they’ll feel much better.

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By Skruff, December 30, 2006 at 8:04 am Link to this comment
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No “serial killer” in US history…..has killed the number of people GWB has killed (by proxy)
as a matter of fact, All the serial killers together can’t get to 1% of the GWB deaths…. What bothers me most is that this doesn’t appear to bother him at all!!!

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By Remembering the Past, December 30, 2006 at 7:51 am Link to this comment
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Could someone tell me the difference between Bush and Hussein?  Bush has innocent blood on his hands from being an oppressive and lawless dictator/president himself.  Seriously folks…also….the U.S. appointed government in Iraq (colony government)is legitimate and fair?  Does anyone remember when the U.S. was backing Saddam Hussein when he was committing his atrocities?  Wasn’t Hussein with the Bathist, wich is the religous party?  Did the Christian U.S. president and his admin. in power set out to gain precious oil and slaughter the opposing religion’s President?  What was are reason for occupation of Iraq?  Can anyone expand on these questions?  I’m confused…but I will say this…..please don’t try to even explain that oil was not involved…Cheney, Bush, Rice, and the rest of the gang are all filthy rich in regards to oil.

One more comment…why do we deny that we are trying to take over the world when our input and our occupying military bases can be seen all over the world?  Why do we justify this?  Better yet, how do we justify it?

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD,PhD, December 30, 2006 at 6:05 am Link to this comment
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Forget the gun.  Except for the facial hair, don’t the two remarkably resemble each other in the above photos?

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By Ahmed, December 30, 2006 at 4:33 am Link to this comment
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Bush is really acting like a drunken monkey.It shows that Bush was no different that Saddam.Suppose Bush had grown up in the cercumstances and surroundings where Saddam grew up, Bush would have been a worse dictator the world ever saw.Infact Saddam is being punished for being a person which America once wanted.Fortunately American constitution wont allow him as a president for the thrid time.

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By Arno Damon, December 30, 2006 at 3:51 am Link to this comment
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It’s a neat adult souvenir. I would not mind having it myself. But if I were president Bush I’d be at least bit cool when showing off GUB-Instead of playing with a gun he ought to learn how to string two sentences together. The man is a dud and ought not be a head of state. It just goes to show you that here in the US of A all it takes is money and good PR firm. god bless the lobbyist

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By Druthers, December 30, 2006 at 1:37 am Link to this comment
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There is a sort of gruesome repulsion in the sight and story of an American President gathering trophies like some perverted serial killer.

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