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Congressman Suggests Jesus Surge for Iraq

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Posted on Dec 28, 2006
Robin Hayes
Largest Minority

While the Bush administration has busied itself thinking up ways to sell a troop escalation in Iraq, North Carolina Republican Rep. Robin Hayes had a better idea, saying stability in the war-ravaged country hinged on “spreading the message of Jesus Christ.”

Hayes went on to offer this pearl of wisdom for a nation divided by sectarian violence: “Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the savior.”

It’s bad enough Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other, this man wants to introduce Christianity into the mix?  Seriously, he’s in Congress. He makes laws!

(h/t: Largest Minority)


Charlotte Observer:

Robin Hayes is an heir to a textile fortune and a former GOP candidate for N.C. governor. Since 1999, he has represented part of the Charlotte area in Congress. Next up: missionary to the Middle East?

A weekly newspaper in Concord, Hayes’ hometown, quoted the congressman this week as saying that stability in Iraq ultimately depends on “spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men.” Hayes was speaking to the Concord Rotary Club.

“Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the savior,” Hayes added, according to the Concord Standard and Mount Pleasant Times.

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By BONK, December 30, 2006 at 9:21 am Link to this comment
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Well now that you boneheads are in power you have to come up with a solution not just a litany of complaints…so what is you solution…at least the Congressman suggested something-albeit far fetched…and no just getting out and retreating is not a solution…so what is it????HUH!  You’ll be held accountable now by the American people who expect to be defended. I have a feeling your solution is just retreat and cower to the islamic fascists in hopes that they’ll leave you alone…not a solution just a prescription for WWW III for your children…you cloth of Neville Chamberlain…same folks who would have hugged Hitler and begged for peace in 1938…At least Bush did something dammit..more than I can say for your sorry #sses.

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By MaryOGrady, December 30, 2006 at 12:09 am Link to this comment
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So, let’s send him!

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By jkoch, December 29, 2006 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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Congressman Hayes’ idea has been tried before by medieval Europeans, who spent some 300 year trying.  I’m sure his audience nodded and whispered Amen.  But will painting crosses on our tanks, planes, and body armor do much good?  Are the Revs. Falwell, Robertson, Hagg, or Swaggart particularly fluent in Arabic?  Is he in any way even dimly aware that Iraqi Christians are severely persecuted these days?

But don’t get too mean toward his constituents or Red America in particular.  After all, Connecticut re-elected Lieberman, whose latest ravings espouse more troops and war.

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By David, December 29, 2006 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
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I can not beleive that we are talking about a public official in the US.  What in the world is happening in the US.  We are a secular society, with a clear separation of “Church” and state.

We must return to that ideal and soon or Christian fanatics like this representative will transform this wonderful country into a theocracy.  This nation has already walked down the path toward a form of militant nationalism but now it is clear that this ideology is peppered with a dangerous religious fervor that speaks of “Armageddon and Rapture” as a good thing.

This former Congressman is a foot soldier for this movement which is corrupting our country and leading it down a disasterous path. But I consider myself a secular American who thinks there should be a group of secular Americans who must challenge these fanatics intellectually in order to perserve the non-religious identity of America.

If we secular Americans, do not stand up to these fanatics, they will transform this nation into a Neo-Fasist religious society.  A society which will be unrecognizable from what exists today. 

Thanks

PS. I would suggest everyone should go and watch “Children of Men” directed by Alfonso Cuaron in order to get a glipse of the hellish world this Congressman and fanatics like him would like to create.

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By HeadlessHessian, December 29, 2006 at 11:59 am Link to this comment
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Bukko….you are welcome…use at will specifically with respect any wacko republican…Lord knows its getting cloudy….What a great saying…I love it!  grin

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By Bert, December 29, 2006 at 11:27 am Link to this comment
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I think war is a racket, and for that matter, so is organized religion. Two people to reference that viewpoint on, I choose Eisenhower, his famous farewell address speech, and beloved(well, sort of) ‘sticky fingers’ televangelist Jim Bakker. These two people are at opposite ends of the conscience spectrum, one a president and former general, the other a fly-by-night money-raking, bible-wielding fraud. When you have people from the latter group trying to call people from the former group to action on behalf of and in service of their prosyletic ambitions,
there is, I believe, Cause For Concern. Pat Robertson tried to call for war against Venezuela,
and he was far from the first person to try such a thing, I think what’s really needed is a call for common sense and temperance of the ‘urge to surge’ etc. With great power comes great responsibility, and I think it’s time to call some of these religious people to account for some of their inflammatory verbiage. When they, themselves, are willing to pick up rifles and go after their ideological and religious foes, then by all means, let them. But, have them do so one-on-one, something a la Westworld. Until and unless they are willing to do so, and stop abusing their faith as a tool to political power,
then let them focus on the kingdom of heaven, or whatever. The catholics, as one standout, have been party to supporting warring parties, the Crusades were largely a catholic venture, organized religion is little more than a sophisticated attempt at mind control, it’s up to
the remaining free thinkers and people possessed of good reasoning capacity to call for a demurral on the part of such religious leaders in the name of the Greater Good from their appetite for war and violence. We live in the 21st century, arguably in Interesting Times, and for those who aspire to recieve the Enlightenment, it’s time to call Bullshit on the purveyors of religious dogma and calls for war and violence. Put DOWN the religious literature, AND the rifle, and slowly back away…

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By kevin99999, December 29, 2006 at 10:24 am Link to this comment
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This country would be better off if morons like Robin Hays do not run for office.

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By Paul Magill (Smith), December 28, 2006 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment
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HAYES! You idiot…wake up! Solving the problem of religious conflict in Iraq by throwing more religion at the problem is akin to throwing gasoline on a fire in the hopes of drowning it out with a liquid. You appear to be a very foolish man brainwashed by dogma & mythology, rather than guided by reason & logic. You also seem to be prostituting your religion in search of votes. I wonder if you are being paid by the Moonies to propagandize us.

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By DennisD, December 28, 2006 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment
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Is the separation of church and state just an illusion like everything else since 2000. Republican Rep Hayes wouldn’t have the sense to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel. I’m sure he’ll be in the bunker with the rest of the zealots when the religious war starts that he seems to want so badly. Another Bu$hbot speaks George’s mind.

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By Jon B, December 28, 2006 at 10:31 pm Link to this comment
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Sheesh, here is another bloodthirsty christian crusader from Congress.

On seeing so many war loving and hate filled christians in DC, I wonder if they are christians at all. Devils and evildoers are more like it.

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By Bukko in Australia, December 28, 2006 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment
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If this dip-sheep wasn’t so iggerent, he’d realise that Muslims already regard Jesus (“Issa” in Arabic) as a prophet—just not the FINAL one. They know a lot more about HIS religion than he does of THEIRS. But I get the impression that most people know a lot more about many things than does Rep. Hayes.

BTW, Headless, I like that saying. I will be using it a lot in life. In English, though.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 28, 2006 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment
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Every time a wacho neocon politician opens his mouth, he practically [expletive deleted] through it, and it really smells so bad.

This ignorant should know that Muslims are more akin to the teachings of the true Jesus Christ (peace be upon him)than himself. Every Muslim, as a prerequisite of his or her faith, must acknowledge Jesus Christ as a great Messenger of God who came to reform the erring ways of the Jews. Everyone in that neighborhood knows about the peace and civilizing mission of Jesus Christ. Thus, the historical Jesus Christ and his great teachings form an integral part of Islamic theology. This is basic knowledge for Muslims that even illiterate people who never gone to school know about.

But what the people see in that area of the world is that the fictional Jesus Christ of the West is only coming to them on top of tanks, with his deadly weapons of mass destruction, and evil schemes to exploit the natural resources of the area and to sow the seeds of strife, division, and wars based on the colonial concept of “divide and rule.” This is how Israel is seen in the area as the most effective Western evil scheme of divide and rule. Till this evil is removed, no amount of hollow preaching would do any thing to improve the conditions.

Doctor Mr. Robin Hays, heal thy-self first, or shut up!

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By mite, December 28, 2006 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment
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Truth hurts Huh!!!!!!!!!

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By arthur grupp, December 28, 2006 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment
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If god gave us Dubya…twice! He can certainly get his own kid a job in Bagdad if he really wanted to.
i agree with the other comments…let congressman Hayes spread the word directly,up close and in person!! Great idea!!!

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By rae2, December 28, 2006 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment
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I might be wrong, but this approach to problem solving DIDN’T WORK FOR JESUS… (call for peace, turn the other cheek, and get crucified for your trouble)...

... so why do these imbeciles persist in continuing to do what CLEARLY doesn’t work?

I really do believe that religious fundamentalism - any flavor - is the definitive symptom of an underlying, socially condoned profound mental ILLNESS.

Of course, when half the population can’t think straight because of their LEARNED insanity, it’s an uphill battle to convince them to change things. It doesn’t seem to matter that what they believe, just ain’t so.

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By Anchorite, December 28, 2006 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment
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If you read the full article it is pretty clear his idea is that certain peace principles need to be tried.  Yes he is a Christian and perhaps he overascribes the peace principles to Jesus, and so on.

What I find interesting is that people, no matter what their ideological persuasion, still think they have to justify peace extrinsically.

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By jon eden, December 28, 2006 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment
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All you dead-enders, saddamistss, rejectionists, sectarian shiates, and separatists or every stripe ...in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat…I command you in the name of Jesus Christ GET OUT OF IRAQ NOW.

That should take care of it.


Jon

http://StudentsForTheEarth.org

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By Stanley, December 28, 2006 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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This from the article regarding the foolish comments:
“After his speech, Hayes revised his comments. He said they were in “the context of spreading Christian principles rather than Christianity.”“

Perhaps on second thought, Hayes is on to something. Last I heard “bringing them on” and “shock and awe” are decidedly not Christian principles.  Someone needs to tell our president, but it is probably too late.

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By Ga, December 28, 2006 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment
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Yeah, right. Learn about the Savior or we’ll bomb you to Kingdom come. Nice message by the Republican morons ruling this country.

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By PeeJ, December 28, 2006 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment
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Oh those wacky christian supremacists! 

Last night we watched Omega Code II (that may not be the actual title - I didn’t pay that much attention) because we both love really REALLY BAD movies.  It was a HOOT! Michael York was over the top.  And Biehn did pretty well for a guy who toxified his brain pretty much down to a half-dozen functional neurons.  (does anyone know, by the way, whether either of those two have gone over the edge or was it just a paying part?)

C’mon Hayes -  stop holding back and give us some material we can enjoy!  For example, tell us in explicit detail just HOW you would go about “spreading the message of Jesus Christ.  Will you be channelling Torquemada?  Will you force feed the body of christ to those heathens like corn into a duck?  C’mon already!  You’re just depressing me so far - make me laugh!

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, DD, December 28, 2006 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment
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This is what we have in congress.  What hope can there possibly be that anything can get better for average people/workers?  I assume he was elected, so what does that tell us about the electorate?  We’re doomed.  But, who cares?  Jesus will save us.  For those of you who feel a need to cover your ass, I’m doing some research into the concept of a new polytheism, where the danger of picking the wrong savior is negated.  I’m planning a ConsummateGodsummit(summits have a proven track record.)I think I know a way to get these guys together. (I know they all love CocaCola.)  Soon, I’ll be soliciting input from concerned citizens.  This could be a breakthrough.  I’ve even picked a moderator and you won’t believe who it is. (I hadn’t heretofore considered Hayes but, he does have That Look.)

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By felicity smith, December 28, 2006 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
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Where have you been, Mr. Hayes, since March, 2003?
How about since Sept., 2001?


The Iraqi people - not to mention the rest of the Muslim world - are well versed in Christian “principles” already.  They have been   invaded by people who profess to represent a Christian nation. They understand that Christians bomb, kill, torture, rob, and exploit for their own gain.  They probably would be less than appreciative of any more examples of Christian “principles” in action.

Perhaps what you’re really advocating then is we must kill, torture, rob and exploit more of them   so they’ll REALLY believe in the “principles” of Christianity?

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By Quy Tran, December 28, 2006 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment
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Is this guy sleeping in cloud ? Pity for his local voters !

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By Rodney Matthews, December 28, 2006 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment
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Maybe we should sent the congressman to Iraq, let him knock on doors like Jehovah Witnesses, hand out christian literature, and turn them all into god fearing christians. See you when you get back!

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By mite, December 28, 2006 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment
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You know Truthdig.org I am starting to wonder about your agenda’s. Are you allowing those spooks (NSA, CIA, MI6) and other Alphabets to maintain space in your operations?

To even post this sh*t from another beast from the depths of earth is shameful on your part. Why would you print such propaganda here. I am sure there is more important issues then some puppet Trustee of the Bilderbergs, CFR, IMF.

I am no fan of ‘The Bible’ but I must say everything I read in this final chapter explains a lot of things going on now and the past 60 years. Try reading Revelation Chapter 13.

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By Lance, December 28, 2006 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment
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Sounds like Amos wants to accompany the Congressman on his mission to “Christianitze” Iraq.  Please, Amos, go.

Remember, Amos - you don’t need to tell anyone you’re an American.  Just a Christian, a simple, peace-loving practitioner of the faith that has had nothing whatsover to do with violence in its entire history.  Oh…except for the Crusades.  Oh yes, and tnd the auro-da-fes of Spain.  Ooops, and the persecution and expulsion of one after another “disobedient” sects from Europe in the 16th and 17th centuires.  Of course there’s also the little 100 year old tiff in Northern Ireland among a more than a few “nonviolent” Christians.  And the brutalization of the “wogs” in India.  I may have missed 30-40 other examples.  But hey - who’s counting?  After all, you have Jesus and peace on your side.  I’m sure the Sunnis and Shi’a can’t wait to hear your theories on the violent tendencies of all Muslims. 

Remember - enunciate, and speak very, very loudly.

Thanks.

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By Cynthia Carlson, December 28, 2006 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment
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Well, he should be the first missionary:  let him leave today, and spend a year or two walking the streets of Bagdad, outside of the green zone, spreading the word.  And we shall all see if he is right….....  follow the actions not words of people with advice like that.

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By amos_hart, December 28, 2006 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment
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How shocking. Just when everything is going so well in Iraq, we have this lunatic wanting to introduce the notion of peace on earth. Obviously, Islam is more than sufficient as a basis for political and social stability. They’ve only been murdering each other for over a millenium, so let’s be patient. Hayes is just another right-wing wackjob who doesn’t recognize mankind’s potential for peaceful coexistence. I’m sure the 20th century, the bloodiest in history, was just a fluke. Let’s all sit down at the U.N. and play patty cake. We don’t need any of that “birth of a savior” malarkey. We’re doing just fine. Say, when does Iran get the bomb?

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By David, December 28, 2006 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment
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I think “wow” just about says it.  The scary thing is that there is no reasoning with people like this.  They believe their way is the only way and their truth is the only truth.  Their job is to save the souls of their damned brethern and show them the light. How can you argue with someone when the belief is based upon on only a belief and a personal intuition, no matter how misguided?  I think (yes, I…you either figure it out for yourself or you don’t) spirituality is intrinsic, human and necessary in individual life. I really scratch my head in bewilderment when people who proclaim to be fighting religious zealots who want to convert the West because they belive non-believers are evil, and then turn around and say they want to convert the evil non-believers.  Is this really happening? If we’re not careful, before long we’ll all belong to “The Church of the Because I Said So”.  Nothing ever changes with people.

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By richard, December 28, 2006 at 11:48 am Link to this comment
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A bonifide religious fundamentalist, eager for Armagaddon.

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By vet240, December 28, 2006 at 11:39 am Link to this comment
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Aren’t we lucky we don’t have any extremists in this country. Seriously, look at the deep, empty space behind those eyes. The meaningless mechanical smile.
Do you really believe that madness is the domain of the Iraqi insurgents? Do you really believe that America is the last great bastion of wisdom in the world? If you believe in Hayes God, please note, God gave you twice as many ears and eyes as mouths. That’s so you can look and listen twice as much as you speak. Discern truth. Nobody knows Gods name,  visage or plan. NOBODY! The God I believe in will deal with all those pretenders who usurp his/her/it’s authority. Can I get an Amen?

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By HeadlessHessian, December 28, 2006 at 11:23 am Link to this comment
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There is a saying in spanish that goes “If the assholes of the world could fly, we would never see the sun”.

Make your own conclusions!  grin

Headless

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By Lance, December 28, 2006 at 9:50 am Link to this comment
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Please, Congressman…go to Iraq.  Spread the word.  Maybe you should try reading from the Bible through a hand-held, battery-operated loudspeaker, as some of many American proselytizers do in city shopping areas.  Go now.  Head directly to Baghdad and spread the word until you and Jesus have solved the problems of Iraq.  Go.  Please.  Go.

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By WCG, December 28, 2006 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t it bad enough that we’ve got all those religious nuts in the Middle East? Why do we also need them in Congress,... and in the White House?

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By Don Knutsen, December 28, 2006 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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Hasn’t that already been tried a few times…..say 1000 years ago ? Is this guy that “IGNANT” to think that is solution. Oh, I know, its the wonderful example we have shown as occupiers that will sway them coupled with our forcing our religion down their throats. Just a few more years of bombing the crap outa them and I think they’ll be coming around to our way of thinking. Sounds more just like another politician saying what he thinks he needs to get elected. Though in a Red State, I think possibly there are enough folks that probably have wisened up over these past 6 yrs. to see the bu$h administration as the best example of why we need a secular goverment right here at home thats ever come along.

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By Alejandro, December 28, 2006 at 7:45 am Link to this comment
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Thats all we need, another Schizophrenic sect thrown into the mix. Is this guy insane or what? It’s idiots like this that are the cause of so much hate and fear in the world. If the situation that we are in were not so grave I would be laughing right now, instead I feel like throwing up.

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By vjack, December 28, 2006 at 7:32 am Link to this comment
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Unbelievable! I sit in front of my computer in stunned silence, unable to comprehend the idiocy of Christian extremists of this sort. I wonder if this is a sad case of mental illness, political pandering of the worst kind, or perhaps both.

This sort of thing is exactly why I started my blog, Atheist Revolution, in 2005 and why I have maintained my focus of “opposing Christian extremism in America” ever since. I appreciate your post on this important topic.

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By george, December 28, 2006 at 7:19 am Link to this comment
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Let’s add more stupidity to the fire.

Where are these elements cloned? We need to destroy that facility.

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