Yes, they could be ignorant failures (and I’d say it’s highly likely that was all there was to it). 

However, if you EVER see a group of successful, seemingly capable people outright fail in many ways, with every-changing positions, and no real consequences..consider that they have not failed their actual goals, only their stated goals. (works for any scenario), and that in reality they are hitting a homerun with their real agenda.

Consider: The neocons succeeded.

Is it likely that this group of successful, dedicated, somewhat intelligent (although contradictory and incorrect in their stated philosophy), with all that time, planning, money, and effort, actual failed that miserably?  Based on their own philosophy, the basic instint tells us no, it’s unlikely.

What is likely is that this movement was specifically about decoupling those in power from needing to have approval or evidence, to act in any way they see fit (power increases).  The CIA provided data, if it didn’t agree with their policy, they had issues with it, it limited their power and agenda.  Instead, they have indeed succeeded, they got their decade long war (it’s nowhere near over), it did not depend on truth or the CIA getting it right, they are not in any way at risk of being “punished”, they acheived high ranks in government, the military contractors and oil companies have made more money than anyone..ever.  That win alone can carry them in terms of power and money, for generations.  And oil/military profits..that’s not a conspiracy, it’s real, public, published information, no one is hiding anything or conspiring.

If you really think they failed, or that they need better luck next time…then indeed you may just be supporting their warped philosophy that there are elites who rule, and the masses who can’t handle, or can’t decipher, the hidden truths behind the powers that be.

Try it, tally up a scorecard and see who is on the winning side, and who is on the losing side.  Iraq lost.  Miltiary families lost. Average americans perhaps lost. Big business and specifically oil/military co. won, energy companies won, the administration won…re-election and have carried out their ambitions, Cheney won, Rummy got to be in the military history books with his blitz, he won…Wolfowitz won then got a cush job.  Who’s losing here? Please don’t kid yourselves.  Score one for necons.  And don’t bother looking for them after this, they are set for life.  New power players will re-brand, grab a new extreme philosophy, tout the same rhetoric intended to hide power, and play ball…

-Mach

Wolfowitz and Perle are quite likely to be agents of the Likud party, IMO.  Both have consistantly espoused the Likud’s stated policy of attacking “one nation over.”  Let’s see, jump over Jordan and where do you land? Iraq.  Leap Lebanon and come down in Syria. Fire a missile over Saudi Arabia and it hits Iran.

Isn’t it about time we stopped having any truck with these foreign agents?

So Gary Schmitt says it’s obvious that the specfic failure in Iraq made it difficult to implement the neo-con philosophy of the now defunk or almost defunk PNAC. Why don’t you explain Schmitt to all the inocent souls in Iraq who have had their bodies shredded by the shards of IEDs’about the difficulty with implementing your neo-con philosophy. Explain to the father or mother holding the blood soaked body of their dead child that your ideas would have worked if it wasn’t for the failure of others. I’m sure they’d understand. Never mind the lies told to the world so the true reasons about starting an unwarranted, illegal war wouldn’t be known. Thousands and thousands of people dead, even more thousands maimed, billions of dollars spent and for what, your failed experiment in neo-con philosophy, bravo, you did good, it was everyone else who failed right?

The policies of the neocons (emphasis on con)have been based on ideals instead of reality.
  This is seen clearly when one looks at the people appointed to carry out these policies: purity of neocon ideals is more important then competence…no wonder the USA is poorer and weaker then it was before the neocons.

The so called american century should have been built on economic strength, not the military one.
Waging war is an easy task, savages throughout the history had done it, not all had succeeded in their endeavor including neocons. Yes, neocons in suits and ties.

“George Bush is about the last neo-conservative standing, Cheney as well maybe. Bush is not an analytical person so he just adopted the neo-cons’ philosophy.

It fitted into his Manichean, his black and white view of the world. After all, he gave up his dissolute youth and was born again as a new man, so it appealed to his character.”

And that is why Thomas Jefferson wrote the following:

“Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church and State” (Letter to the Danbury Baptists, 1802).

Sadly, we have witnessed a presidency void of introspection but surfeit with theology, 600,000 Iraqi civilians perished; while National Prayer Breakfasts were conducted, perhaps, a more secular presidency will prove to be less deadly.

It seems PNAC has gone from sugar to crap according to the BBC article. I was never a believer in neo-conservatism because it seemed too good to be true and unfortunately everyone involved (and uninvolved) is finding out the hard way I.E. Massive Insurgencies.

I pity the person who takes over for Pres. Bush. I think there may be bigger messes in the White House than what is being let on. I was never a fan of the Clinton administration but the Bush administration has just been one mess up after another.

Firing Defense Scretary Rumsfeld was performed an excellent licking boots his King when saying
“This president is really almost a victim of his own success…”

Absolutely. Thanks to his King’s own success the number of U.S. troops died in vain in Iraq exceeds the victims of 9/11. This number will surely be increased when the King is still keeping this success.

We ought to make a correction from Rumsfeld’s saying with new declaration that :“This president is really almost a victim of his STUPIDITY”.

Because of his stupidity his had to use the subordinates like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Bolton, Rove, Wolfowitz…and so on….

Because of his stupidity we have to look down in front of civilized world.

Because of his stupidity we are less safer than eight years ago.

Truth always hurts !

The trouble with the Schachtmanites was not that they were mostly Jews but that they developed an ideology, an extreme right wing ideology that worshiped the United States and Israel.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15989.htm

On his sleeping habits, King George said :“I’m sleeping a lot better than people would assume”.

No surprise at all because with conscienceless like him “sleeping lot better” is not unusual.

It was a big fart !