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Ear to the Ground

Condi: Still Drinking the Kool-Aid

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Posted on Dec 22, 2006

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice indicated on Thursday that she still believed Iraq would emerge “as a country that is a stabilizing factor” for the Mideast, and that President Bush would not ask for continued investment if he—and she—did not believe the venture was worthwhile.  Well, that’s good to know. For a few years there, it seemed like they didn’t know what they were doing.


AP via Yahoo:

Rice was asked whether an additional $100 billion the Pentagon wants for the Iraq and Afghan wars might amount to throwing good money after bad in Iraq.

President Bush and Congress have already provided more than $500 billion for the two conflicts and worldwide efforts against terrorism, including more than $350 billion for Iraq.

“I don’t think it’s a matter of money,” Rice said. “Along the way there have been plenty of markers that show that this is a country that is worth the investment, because once it emerges as a country that is a stabilizing factor, you will have a very different kind of Middle East.”

The top U.S. diplomat made the remarks as Bush faces mounting pressure from the public and members of Congress to find a fresh course in the long-running war. More than three-and-half years after the U.S. invasion that deposed Saddam Hussein, the conflict shows no signs of nearing an end and has cost the lives of more than 2,950 American troops.

Bush conceded this week for the first time that the U.S. is not winning the conflict, though he said it is also not losing.

“I know from the point of view of not just the monetary cost but the sacrifice of American lives, a lot has been sacrificed for Iraq, a lot has been invested in Iraq,” Rice said.

Bush would not ask for continued sacrifice and spending “if he didn’t believe, and in fact I believe as well, that we can in fact succeed,” Rice said.

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By afm, December 23, 2006 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment
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Condi I wonder how the families of the dead and woundedwould feel about your comment?  You have no idea.  My father and father-in-law had over 20 yrs each in the military.  They were both wounded in WWII.  You have never fought in a war and seen their nightmares like many family members have.  No one should have died in this war that should not have ever taken place.  The president should be impeached for his lies.  The adminstration and his cabinet members will always have blood on their hands.

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By Quy Tran, December 23, 2006 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment
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She believes her blow-job foreign policy is efficient to Middle East situation.

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By mrJJ, December 23, 2006 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment
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Rice says Iraq is worth the sacrafice of lives and money…..

Rumsfeld….
“We don’t take our forces and go around the world and try to take other people’s real estate or other people’s resources, their oil. That’s just not what the United States does,” he said. “We never have, and we never will. That’s not how democracies behave.”

Nonsense aside, the sands of Iraq hold oil… lots of it. According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), “Iraq holds more than 112 billion barrels of oil - the world’s second largest proven reserves. Iraq also contains 110 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, and is a focal point for regional and international security issues.”

Iraq’s Oil Reserves: Untapped Potential
While its proven oil reserves of 112 billion barrels ranks Iraq second in the world behind Saudi Arabia, EIA estimates that up to 90-percent of the county remains unexplored due to years of wars and sanctions. Unexplored regions of Iraq could yield an additional 100 billion barrels. Iraq’s oil production costs are among the lowest in the world. However, only about 2,000 wells have been drilled in Iraq, compared to about 1 million wells in Texas alone.

Its about ENERGY… nothing more nothing less! Were all in the game. China, Russia, France & the US are all supporting or courting the major sources for ENERGY. It is imperative for each country to stake out their claim… thats all there is to it people. No one seems to be able to come to grips with reality. Everyone is trading money, weapons and technology (including nuclear technology) and veto votes to the UN, to secure Energy for their countries present and future needs. Forget religion, freedom, democracy these are all just words spoken to make what we are doing in Iraq palatable to our citizens. Synthetic and reusable energy supplies and technology are not presently a viable solution for any of our current needs. Bubble Boys detour (from capturing/killing UBL) to the Oil fields of Iraq has thrown the whole damn Middle East into turmoil. These sons and daughters of America are not dying and being wounded in Iraq to capture or kill UBL… They are now dying for ENERGY… Our tax dollars arent being used to eliminate UBL they are being squandered for the control of oil. The Politicians are playing us all for fools…..sadly…they continue to get away with it.

A damn shame we didn’t stay the course and go after and eliminate UBL with our limited lives and money!!!!!

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By Mark, December 23, 2006 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment
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Not that this war has gone well but what exactly did you guys expect?

Did you expect Saddam’s Fedayeen and Mukhabarat to simply give up?  Did you expect the 20,000 criminals he released just before the war to not be a problem?

Did we expect the remnants of his army to just go away?  Did you expect the terrorists in Baghdad, Ramadi, Mosul, Salman Pak, Biyara, al Qaim and elsewhere to help prop up a Democracy? 

I don’t think you guys did. 

It’s a shame the real monsters (Baathists and jihadists) are still terrorizing the Iraqis who have suffered enough, in spite of the brave efforts of America’s forces.  This is absolutely no time to abandon our pro democracy Arab friends guys.  Let’s think about that instead of just looking to rip Bush and trash the U.S. efforts there.

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By Rodney Matthews, December 23, 2006 at 8:14 am Link to this comment
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That was a powerful statement casey

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By Louise, December 23, 2006 at 1:33 am Link to this comment
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Condi IS the Kool-Aid.

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By Montie Shields USAF RET., December 22, 2006 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment
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Well I see old Condi is still packing old Shrub’s
water. She had better continue or look at what
happened to the old General that was just being
a good soldier. Any Minority in that Neo Con
outfit calling themselves a Republican is about
the same as BAMBI joining the National Rifle
Association, or going hunting with Cheney. I
am still waiting for Condoleezza to explain how
Saddam Hussein could have got a NUCLEAR MUSHROOM
CLOUD making weapon, even if he had one at the
time She made her Statement that TERRORIZED the
Nation. She also mentioned money. She should
tell the people about Subsidizing the Poppy
crops in Afghanistan to the tune of $1.5 million
dollars. This money was given to the Taliban.
Her and “W” was doing this instead of studying
TERRORISM. In a previous comment by DennisD he
said Condi Rice-another Bush hand puppet speaks
his mind. I say who in their right mind would
say, “I want to be the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF-OF-
THE-FIRST-WAR-OF-THE-TWENTY-FIRST-CENTURY?

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By Ken Larson, December 22, 2006 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment
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There are good points in your article. I would like to supplement them with some information:

I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.

If you are interested in a view of the inside of the Pentagon procurement process from Vietnam to Iraq please check the posting at my blog entitled, “Odyssey of Armaments”

http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com

The Pentagon is a giant, incredibly complex establishment, budgeted in excess of $500B per year. The Rumsfelds, the Administrations and the Congressmen come and go but the real machinery of policy and procurement keeps grinding away, presenting the politicos who arrive with detail and alternatives slanted to perpetuate itself.

How can any newcomer, be he a President, a Congressman or even the new Sec. Def.Mr. Gates, understand such complexity, particularly if heretofore he has not had the clearance to get the full details?

Answer- he can’t. Therefore he accepts the alternatives provided by the career establishment that never goes away and he hopes he makes the right choices. Or he is influenced by a lobbyist or two representing companies in his district or special interest groups.

From a practical standpoint, policy and war decisions are made far below the levels of the talking heads who take the heat or the credit for the results.

This situation is unfortunate but it is absolute fact. Take it from one who has been to war and worked in the establishment.

This giant policy making and war machine will eventually come apart and have to be put back together to operate smaller, leaner and on less fuel. But that won’t happen until it hits a brick wall at high speed.

We will then have to run a Volkswagen instead of a Caddy and get along somehow. We better start practicing now and get off our high horse. Our golden aura in the world is beginning to dull from arrogance.

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By Rodney Matthews, December 22, 2006 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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Is it possible that you have lied so much that you believe your own lies? Or, you have no credibility, don’t care that you don’t have any, and the only thing you can do is continue to feed us the bullshit because you and the people you work for are all lame ducks so it no longer matters? The only problem with that is American lives are being lost. Do these people have no shame?

 

 

 


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By Lee Zehrer, December 22, 2006 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment
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“I don’t think it’s a matter of money,” Spoken like a real bureaucrat.

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By felicity, December 22, 2006 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment
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GOOD JOB, CASY #43340

Iraq has become a case of managing a catastrophic failure. It will never be recognized as such by those responsible because its failure is their failure.

At this point the only issue absorbing the attention of Bush/Rice etal is how they can successfully stall doing anything other than stalling so as to leave the next administration holding the bag.

I don’t know about Rice, but Bush has spent a lifetime leaving other people holding the bag - the ONLY thing that he’s ever been good at actually.

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By robert puglia, December 22, 2006 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
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regarding iraq (pbs newshour) ms rice said;
“we need to do what needs to be done”.
if this is the sum of her acumen i wish she’d spoken up sooner or not at all. so much for passionate intensity.
edward albee said; good, better, best, bested.

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By kevin99999, December 22, 2006 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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Rice “Bush would not ask for continued investment if he—and she—did not believe the venture was worthwhile.”

Yeah..as long as Rice gets to play your piano while other poor slobs are doing the fighting and dying. This administration is full of coward criminals who ran away into their rich daddy’s lap when it was their time to serve but they are brave when it comes pushing some other poor slobs into the fire….and they shamelessly claim it was worth it. Look yourself in the mirror Ms. Rice, what do you see?

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By DennisD, December 22, 2006 at 9:59 am Link to this comment
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Condi Rice - another Bu$h hand puppet speaks “his” mind. Money doesn’t matter(not hers) and certainly she wouldn’t have a relative there doing the fighting. Other’s lives are merely an “investment”. She’ll golden parachute out to a nice corporate do nothing job when her part in this fiasco is finished. It’ll be the same with the rest of our elected or appointed royalty - Nothing wagered, everything to gain. Guess who gets stuck with the bill.

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By Gold Star Father, December 22, 2006 at 8:40 am Link to this comment
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Real easy (read stupid) for her to say.  She has no child in the fight.  She, Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, Feith, the whole lot, had no children directly involved, let alone dead because of their infinite vanity.

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By Joe Quinlan, December 22, 2006 at 7:07 am Link to this comment
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Bush and Cheney both need to be impeached and convicted.  They should both stand trial at the Hague for crimes against Humanity.

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By Casy, December 22, 2006 at 7:06 am Link to this comment
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The above article brings to mind why any rational person would even think Condi Rice could be a serious contender for the Presidency? The monumental disaster in Iraq, together with the meteoric rise of muslim militancy the past five years, is as much her legacy as it is Bush’s and the neoconservative idiots who have moved this administration’s disastrous foreign policy; and who now just as cowardly try to wash their hands of any responsibility for its prosecution. This administration has shown very little regard for human life, whether American or Iraqi. Don’t be fooled by the supposed “listening campaign” this administration is pretending to be engaged in. He is “staying the course.” Bush will never willingly agree to a pullout because his legacy is already inextricably tied to a successful outcome in Iraq, an outcome that is not forthcoming. The supposedly resounding message of the midterm election has effectively been impeded in his brain. His unchecked ego prevents him from ever seriously considering the cost in human misery, and the danger he has brought to Americans both here and abroad. He is undoubtedly the worst president the United States has ever produced, and his mouthpieces in the administration among the most corrupt and morally bankrupt.

Mr. Bush has failed, and so have his puppet-masters Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Decades need not pass for Bush’s legacy to be fully understood. American pre-eminence and influence on the world stage has been battered severely. His administration has been the most polarizing of any in my lifetime. His years in office will leave this world an extremely dangerous place to live in. All this because he has chosen his monumental ego over the voices of four-fifths of the American public, where supposedly, his power emanates from.

On a final note, I feel that equal blame should be leveled on the Republican-led 109th congress, with its stalwarts Bill Frist, Rick Santorum, Dennis Hastert, Tom Delay, John Boehner, and the rest of Bush’s rah-rah boys. You have done a monumental disservice to the American people. You have completely abandoned your oversight responsibilities, and have instead relished in rubber-stamping this administration’s policies. May you all fade into oblivion, and forever live in ignominy.

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