Thanks for the cut and paste, Saul. Can you supply the biblical orgins of the phrase ‘tongue and cheek’? As in “That comment was...”

I’d rather “cut and run” than STAY AND DIE!

Killing people is the preferred solution for the arms industry. No matter what the problem, we have a bullet for that.

Take the profit out of war and voila!
Bankers suffer, the poor prosper.

An old tale of entrenched vested interests.

Divest the govt. of vested interests.

Does anyone know if the buggy-whip makers had tax breaks?

When are these self-proclaimed “Christians” going to realize that killing people is wrong and dumb?

>>>A bit disingenious. To be fair, WWII resulted in a continuous US military presences in Europe and Asia since forever that will last until rapture.<<

Rapture is not coming, Jesus is dead and except in hearts and minds of thos that have been had.

Let’s look at the God you hawk.
The god of the Bible said that a man who slept with the wife of another both shall die but when his Chosen David did this not only didn’t he die but he also got to keep the kingdom and this God that says in Deuteronomy 24:16 that a son shall not die for the sins of a father causes the death of David’s son for just that reason.
This very same God who is supposed to know future otherwise no prophecies smiles on Solomon, gives him everything only to have Solomon turn around and spit on him by building altars to other Gods.
While many say this story is about redemption, it really is a story that if you have an in with the judge you can break every LAW and not only get to keep the kingdom but the object of your crime, in this case Bathsheba. God’s action in this case proves he is an inept lying baby killer not someone capable of being true Creator

Many people believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, but that is a fallacy. How can I say that. Well, no other authority then Jesus said so. When Jesus talked about divorce he said “ Moses gave that to you, that is not how it was from the beginning (Mark 10:2-9 & Matthew 19:7-8).
The fact that Jesus disagrees with Moses blows the conception of many that while the Bible may have been written by men , they only wrote what God wanted. But with Jesus saying that Moses’s decree was not God’s, that argument goes out the window.

Lets look at the following Hebrews 1 talking about
Jesus v5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
As for the question in 5 above about father and son relationship let us look into the
following which is what David was told when told that he could not build a Temple but it applies to Solomon and NOT Jesus as shown by:

2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy
fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for
ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men
:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
Now some take this to be the Messiah; however, since it talks about if he commits inequity, I will chasten him, it clearly is not talking about Jesus but about Solomon
which also is borne out in 1 KI 5:5 5
And, behold, I purpose to build an house unto the name of the LORD my
God, as the LORD spake unto David my father, saying,
Thy son, whom I will set upon thy throne in thy room, he shall build an house unto my name.
Continuing in Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any
time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Jesus is also quoted saying this in Matthew22 41-45; Luke 21:41-44, Acts 2:30-36

The above 13 appears in Psalm 110: 1Psalm 110 Of David.

Anybody that has a problem with this can refute it at http://www.religionquestioned.com

I’m a former Special Operations Operative, a former SWAT team member, a Former FBI Defensive Tactics Instructor and a Patriot. Since this war began, since I’ve looked into the Pentagon bombing, the Twin Towers, Tower 7, Cheney and Haliburton, Rumsfeld and the Anthrax Vaccine, Aspartame or even Tamiflu, I have to say something just doesn’t wash. Just who in the hell is getting rich off of this war? Follow the money and you’ll get your answer.

If terror was such a threat, why isn’t our borders being secured? Why is the President in secret dealings with Mexico and Canada to remove our borders forever and make this nation part of the North American Union? Just what the hell is going on?

If you let the soldiers fight, they would win this war with no problem. However, war is not a good thing. People die all around and the sight of such horror tends to force our citizens and politicians to fold within the military itself. Why have all those generals been removing themselves from duty after their tours in this war were complete? Is it the possibility of becoming sick if they stuck around any longer from the tons of dupleted uranium that our warriors are now surrounded by?

Just who wants to use oil from a hot zone? Will it too contaminate our cities as well? It is being pumped out of the ground that’s hot enough to kill you and everyone on this planet for eternity. Is this worth the price of your wealth?

I don’t much care about which side of politics you feel you can rule under. To me, you’re all the same. Only thing different is how and when you make your dollar and how you force those under you to earn it for you.

Being ignorant does not give you the excuse to be walked over and act timid. Then again, in America, our citizens are killing one another over a gaming system. It seems those out of uniform find other things worth dying for.

Why are our men and women dying for freedom the Iraqis don’t want? It’s because they are really fighting for Exxon Mobile,Texaco,Shell,Halliburton,Kellog,Root,and Brown and all the billionaire crony companies that elected Bush and Cheney. These are the real owners of America. Elections mean nothing when you’ve bought the Bush Administration. The only way to stop the greed of corporations who could care less about American soldgiers who are shedding blood for corporate profits is for the Democrats to finally set a set of balls and stop the funding for this war. We need to support our troops by bringing them home fron a civil war they can’t win. To the Bush Adminstration staying the course means keeping the corporate profits flowing for his friends while looting the treasury of the American and Iraqi people.

This is the most compelling and succinct argument for getting our of Iraq I’ve heard yet.  My only question is what will be the fallout of our leaving on the stability of the region and long term impact on the world?

Agree with “Amigo” about being ruled by our inferiors. We would have been better off with GWB’s daddy.  He at least had sense enough not to make the biggest foreign policy blunder in U.S. history.

It’s frightening to me to know how many of our “Leaders” are either too stupid to lead or too self-serving (Halibutron).
The insanity of the invasion of Iraq is only surpassed by the insanity of how the “Liberation” has been conducted by Contractors in all facets of the action. Why pay a G.I. to run a communication system for under 30K per year when the Government will pay a “Contractor” 125K? Why require the Military to prepare their own food in their mess halls where they have two choices of ice cream, Vanilla and Vanilla, when a contractor will provide them with 10 flavors and Pie/cake to boot on a cost plus basis thereby running the cost of food per Soldier up ten fold.

What makes Michael Moore unique is the fact that he tells the truth! Bless you Mr. Moore!

Michael, if you’re serious about ending the War of Terror and this Strage-Love madness, lend your voice to 911Truth — investigate, indict, prosecute and execute!

There you go again.  The US always seems to think it has played a role is “saving the world”.  This of course justified the future invasions, well, those days are over. 

Please remember, you did not defeat these tyrants alone.  The blood of soldiers from many other nations were spilt in these conflicts. Not so in this one with the majority of troop deaths being US soldiers. 

What will it take for Americans to realise that they are not the only people in the world (evidenced by the reporting of troop deaths in the absence of that of the deaths of the Iraqi people).  Its this mentality that helped lead you to Iraq in the first place.  Its this attitude that will lead to the downfall of this empire.

superb!
A wise man said this a long time ago - - - -

“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”
-Plato

You tell-um Michael.

“Are The Sheep Ready TO Shear?”

Secret Treaty Of Verona- Congressional Record- Senate, 1916, p.6781

The American Diplomatic Code, Vol. 2, 1778-1884,
Elliot, p.179

`Behold A Pale Horse’ Milton William Cooper

`rule by secrecy’ Jim Marrs

Well said!  Too bad that Michael is not our president.  He understands the world a lot better than anyone in the White House does.

A bit disingenious. To be fair, WWII resulted in a continuous US military presences in Europe and Asia since forever that will last until rapture.

I am not sure why everything needs a comparison or an analogy to have the gravitas hit home. Iraq is a mess. A mess is a mess is a mess.