Secret!!
But they always were that way…But I think this one comes from higher up. They are becoming precditable. I belive that many, those in the here and now, are afraid. The coradors of lies keep getting narrower. I wonder if they can predict what the people will do to them, when they lose power? And I wonder what they will do to retain power.
Must I install an early warning systen to my home? Or can I just made sure I can feed and care for myself for a while. I know the feds arn’t coming, I’m poor. Remember the old joke about “I from the goverment, I here to help!”
If you are given an order to break the law, and then you comply so quickly. Then I tend to wonder… how long have has this been going on?  Brady in AZ

Cheney: I Would “Probably Not” Testify Before Congress Even If Subpoenaed…

This morning on ABC, George Stephanopoulos asked Vice President Cheney if he would testify before Congress if he was subpoenaed. Cheney said “probably not in the sense at that vice president and president and constitutional officers don’t appear before the Congress.”

Arrogance

WHEN WE ARE IRRETRIEVABLY WRONG AND WE KNOW WE ARE IRRETRIEVABLY WRONG WE ALWAYS PREFER OUR ACTIONS NOT BE KNOWN.

And if they tell someone that they were tortured, what will happen? Will they torture them some more? And torture anyone who heard the prisoner say they were tortured? Man, suppose they blurt out details about the torture to the cleaning lady, and she gets tortured? That’s going to make it damned hard to find good help, unless they only hire deaf people. Or people whose hearing was destroyed by 24/7 playing of 130-decibel music as part of a torture program.

Oh man, I can see a whole new business model coming out of this one, the “torture-industrial complex”! Those Repiglicans are farking geniuses, the things they do to stimulate economic growth. Only it will be economic growth in countries like Egypt, Syria and Uzbekistan, where the United States outsources its torture. Then you’ll get some whingeing Democrat saying “We should bring those torture jobs back to America where they belong…” Of course, he’ll be tortured for saying that.

to the CIA claim - also made by our wayward president and dark-side vice president - that revealing the ‘secret methods’ would endanger national security   .....

..... one word,  ... 2 syllables ....

bullsh-t

revealing secrets (thank G-d Cheney got a shredder to his residence before the courts impounded everything) just might show the level of criminal disregard for law, constutition, national interest, and human decency our government has fallen to in the hands of these leaders - their shame is all of ours ... the difference is, they don’t blush, they brag

As a child I thought as a child. I was proud of Americans when I was taught in school ‘we have high morals, and ethics.’ We would never torture or mistreat others. Unfortunately, I grew up and lived long enough to see the Bush regime torture prisons, kidnap anyone they deem a terrorist, or terrorist sympathizer.
Some are foolish enough to believe ‘if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn’t mind the government spying on you.’ I live in Pittsburgh and two women lost their jobs because they ended up on a list of suspects. Fortunately, after these older women were scared half to death, humiliated, names plastered across newspapers they got lucky. Our state stood up for them, One being a cook in a school cafeteria, neither ever having traveled, etc.No one ever said what the reason was for these suspicions, no apologies for having them fired. They are lucky to have their live and jobs back, but the harm can not be undone.
The day may come when you or your loved one disapears, is whisked to another country to be tortured and imprisoned, and should they be released not allowed to reveal what was done to them. Why? We as Americans have a right to be heard,to state our opinions, protest and walk down a street without fear of the Bush regime.
Revealing that one has been tortured by fellow Americans, describing the methods of torture such as ‘waterboarding’ in no way is giving up secrets that will help the enemy.
It however shows the world how low those who give orders to practice torture as well as those who carry them out have sunk. All agree it doesn’t work. If I was being tortured day in and day out, I would admit to whatever I was asked to just to make the pain stop.
God have mercy on us for allowing our government such liberties.

Never before in the recorded annals of human history was there a greatest falsehood than the falsehood of all that was done by the dominant U.S. political establishment in the name of national security. I am ashamed of the 50% or so of fellow Americans who has sheepishly bought into this enormous falsehood. Moreover, I am equally ashamed of the other 50% or so of fellow Americans who did not do their minimum work to expose this falsehood and punish the criminals.I belong to this second group. Shall I say, with excruciating pain, that America deserves all the evil befallen her now and would befall her in the future!

What else would you expect from King George the Decider. All we have ever got from this man is lies, coverup, more lies and more coverup. Torture is a matter of policy. So is illegal wiretaps, ignoring the U.S. Constitution, the bill of rights,  and the Geneva Convention . I guess he will next try find a way to keep his job past January 2008. Secrets and lies. Fear and smear. I can see why Bush gets along so well with President Putin and Arab Dictators.

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On the face of it this makes no sense.  Since torture does not elicit viable information, the only possible reason for it being used is to deter people from engaging in any activity that may result in their capture.

No, it’s about CIA operatives facing possible accusations of torture should their practices be revealed.  In other words, they know they have committed crimes which could subject them to trial and condemnation in the international courts.

The Bush administration’s shameless cover-up of their torture policy in their ‘war on terror’ is nothing new. In June 2002, John Walker Lindh, the young Californian captured in Afghanistan and touted by John Ashcroft as an ‘American Taliban’ was about to take the stand to tell of his repeated tortured at the hands of U.S. soldiers. A Federal Judge was going to allow Lindh to put on the stand military officers and Guantánamo detainees who were witnesses to or participants in his alleged abuse.

According to one of Lindh’s attorneys, George Harris, the Bush administration offered Lindh a deal. All the serious charges-terrorism, attempted murder, conspiracy to kill Americans-would be dropped and he could plead guilty just to “providing assistance” to an “enemy of the U.S.” and of “carrying a weapon,” a twenty-year sentence, half what he faced if convicted otherwise.

In return, BushCo demanded that Lindh sign a statement swearing he had “not been intentionally mistreated” by his U.S. captors and waiving any future right to claim mistreatment or torture. Also attached was a “special administrative measure,” a gag order, barring Lindh from talking about his torture for the duration of his sentence.

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