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Rumsfeld Goes Off the Deep End

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Posted on Aug 29, 2006
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Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld, insisting that extremists must be confronted, continues to gloss over the fact that America is confronting extremists of its own making in Iraq.

The Secretary of Defense compared critics of the war in Iraq to Nazi appeasers, saying the critics have failed to heed the lessons of history. (story and video)

History, huh? Well, based on current policy, one imagines that Rumsfeld would have recommended invading China in response to the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor.


AP via CBS:

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Tuesday the world faces “a new type of fascism” and likened critics of the U.S. war strategy to those who tried to appease the Nazis.

In unusually explicit terms, Rumsfeld portrayed the Bush administration’s critics as suffering from “moral or intellectual confusion” about what threatens the nation’s security. His remarks amounted to one of his most pointed defenses of President Bush’s war policies and was among his toughest attacks on the president’s critics.

Speaking to several thousand veterans at the American Legion’s national convention, Rumsfeld recited what he called the lessons of history, including the failure to confront Hitler in the 1930s. He quoted Winston Churchill as observing that trying to accommodate Hitler was “a bit like feeding a crocodile, hoping it would eat you last.”

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By GW=MCHammered, September 2, 2006 at 7:30 am Link to this comment
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This reminds me of a joke told on Comedy Central’s The Daily Show. It went something like this:

President Bush is building a dam in Arkansas to solve the crisis in Louisiana and Mississippi following the devastation caused by hurricane Katrina ... ... ... He decided it was best to fight the water there so we don’t have to fight it here.

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By joey, September 1, 2006 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Don Rumsfeld
Don’t sprain your brain.
the analogy is easy
GW + Cheney equals Hitler
Rove is Goebbeles
Rumsfeld is Schultz
(the poor dumb thing that never had a clue.)
Does Walter Reed do nursing homes?

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By John C. Bonser, August 31, 2006 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
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I always thought that fascism was when the state owned the means of production. Seems to me that now the means of production (corporations) control, is not own, our government.

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By Baruch Atoi, August 31, 2006 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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You can debate whether the ‘islamofascists’ should be annihilated - there are pros and cons on both sides - in many ways this is just a re-hash of the old ‘Capitalism’ vs ‘Communism’ of the 1950’s - because there are socialist elements running through Islam such as “if your neighbor is hungry, feed him” - intolerable in modern Capitalist America.

At any rate, this is a decision (to annihilate or not to annihilate) that should be allowed for the United States to make on its own time and on its own terms - not because the Israelis appear to blow up bombs all over the world and make it look like the Arabs are doing it.

Why do you think all these terrorist investigations that seem to point to Al-Quaeda and are expected to yield huge results all fizzle out and disappear and are never heard from again ?

You don’t suppose that at some point in the investigations, it is found the Israelis are behind it, and then it is covered-up and muzzled ?

How naive and stupid can people get.

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By John C. Bonser, August 31, 2006 at 9:16 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Me

You are to be commended for your ability to imagine straw men and invent new stereotypes while using disgusting language.

Maybe you could sonsider changing your name to Mr. Potty Mouth!

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By L W Rolph, August 31, 2006 at 6:12 am Link to this comment
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By the way, if it were not for the USA they would be speaking Japanese in China! Some of you NEED a good history lesson.

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By L W Rolph, August 31, 2006 at 6:08 am Link to this comment
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The caption under the image states that he is the Secretary of State, you can’t even get that right! Stupid!

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By Mr. Me, August 31, 2006 at 6:08 am Link to this comment
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I liked what Mr. Rumsfeld had to say and I am in agreement with his statements. 

Whether you left-wing idiots want them to or not, the US military is ensuring your freedom and covering your asses.  Keep your heads in the sand, smoke your weed, and pretend the islamofascists that want you dead will just go away and stop trying to kill you…if it happens it will only be because of Western military force and security measures; not pipedreams and wishful thinking.

You are all WHINY POUTING VAGINAS.

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By harsaru, August 31, 2006 at 3:02 am Link to this comment
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Re # 20534
Good for you Ga.

The likes of j-red are unbelievable . Where do they get their information?? Do they actually believe:-

a) that Iraq started this war?

b) that God talks to George Bush?

c)that God “chose” George Bush to rule America.?

d)that God promised Palestine to the Jews?

e)that People hate America for her freedoms????

Oh Lordy lordy!!!!!

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By Baruch Atoi, August 30, 2006 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment
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The truth of the history of the region is that there has been terrorism and violence on BOTH sides - both Israeli and Arab.

When the Israelis blew up the King David Hotel early in the century (on the orders of future prime minister Menachem Begin), the bombing killed not only British officers in the hotel, whom the Israeli underground was driving out, but also about 17 of their own Israeli people. So the Israelis are not averse to killing their own people in order to achieve their own violent objectives.
Just prior to the World Trade Center disaster, there was a wave of suicide bombers in Israel, but this only happened after the Israeli Army had machine-gunned to death the entire Palestinian police force (about 400 men) while they worked in their kiosks, in retaliation for the assasination of s single Israeli politician by a single Arab extremist. Of course, if the Israelis eliminate the police force that has volunteered to keep order in the Palestinian territories, you can expect a wave of lawlessness, as in suicide bombings, to occur.
The United States is making an extremely serious error in judgement if it thinks the only terrorism than could take place will come from Islamic extremists. Unless the Israeli and Mossad intelligence operations taking place against America are watched as closely as the Arab, the United States can expect serious trouble in the future. Our current intelligence monitoring is seriously lop-sided - leaving us open to attack.

And I am an American Jewish person telling you this.

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By saul, August 30, 2006 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment
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It seems that Rummy along with the Dummy are the ones that didn’t study the history in the area or they would not have gone in with so few ill equipped troops seemingly with NO Mission statement and a refusal to to reassess their actions when the situation demand it and keeping Generals who claim they could not see a Civil War brewing when others did.
It is the complete and utter incompetence and lies of the dick Cheney, Rummy and the Dummy that has people upset.

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By John C. Bonser, August 30, 2006 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment
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Plan for victory! What a novel idea.!
Unfortunately this administration is driven by ideology. Facts can ve ignored by true believers. The GOP propaganda machine has left Goebbels in the dust. Thus far it has beeen quite successful in dealing with the American people. However, it does not seem to be getting to far when dealing with the opposition in Iraq.

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By james mcewen, August 30, 2006 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment
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who knew they would have digital cameras ?
confound those bad men

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By Gandersen, August 30, 2006 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment
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Re: Comment #20521 by J-Red

Your opening line Shows your utter ignorance. “No one wants war”  The average working stiff does not want war, but Bush and his regime DO.  This is 90% of the problem.  War is big business.  Every time a republican gets in office, there is a surprising need for War.
Defense contractors, Haliburten and the oil cartel in America all love war. It is a time for them to get rich.  And, guess what, they are.

Bush rummy and all their cronies are tied big time to these industries.

Even some of our red-neck Americans like to see the good old USA kick someones/anyones ass,(currently the 36% who are pleased with our current situation)

What you can not grasp is a simple equasion.
War=profit for bush cronies
Endless War= afraid americans and biger profits for bush cronies.

As long as there are rich there will be poor. As long as there is good there will be bad.  You can not have one without the other.  Terrorism, will never ever, ever “go away”  there is no “end” there is no “winning” there is just people in this world that will always operate on hate and fear.  What we can not do is invade every country in the wold as a “premetive” defense agains these people.  Hell, they are in our own county for christs sake, are we going to attack ourselves, oh wait, we are spying now on our own people and suspending the due process we are guaranteed under the constitution, yes we are attacking ourselves.

Bush and is admin. have figured out a way to keep us in a perpetual state of war and fear because it is good for the ultra rich in our society.

You said it yourself, this has been going on long before Iraq and september 11th.  This has been going on since the dawn of time. 

Once again, i will repeat.  If it was not for september 11th Bush would have had nothing do and probably would not have been re-elected.

Once again i will repeat;  Sept. 11th, the worst thing that has happened to USA is the Best thing that ever happened to Bush and his cronies.

Sad but true.

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By NO LIFE JACKET for RUMMY!, August 30, 2006 at 10:15 am Link to this comment
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And the music is playing while ship slowly decends.  Taking on more and more water into the shark infested waters.  NO LIFE JACKET for you Rummy!

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By Hilding Lindquist, August 30, 2006 at 9:19 am Link to this comment
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OK, let’s take a look at WWII ... the war we won.

I. The president was a Democrat: Franklin Delano Roosevelt or FDR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

“In July 1941, Roosevelt ordered Secretary of War Henry Stimson to begin planning for total American military involvement. The resulting “Victory Program,” under the direction of Albert Wedemeyer, provided the President with the estimates necessary for the total mobilization of manpower, industry, and logistics to defeat the “potential enemies” of the United States.”

II. FDR selected General George Marshall to lead the military into war—a war we won, by the way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Marshall

“On September 1 1939, the very start of World War II in Europe, he was selected by Franklin D. Roosevelt to be Army Chief of Staff, a position he held until 1945. In 1944, became the first U.S. General to be awarded 5-star rank, otherwise known as General of the Army. This position is the American equivalent in rank to Field Marshal. Marshall once joked that he was glad the U.S. never created a ‘Field Marshal’ rank during World War II, since he would then have to be addressed as ‘Marshal Marshall’.

“During World War II, Marshall was instrumental in getting the U.S. Army and Army Air Corps reorganized and ready for combat. Marshall wrote the document that would become the central strategy for all Allied operations in Europe, selected Dwight Eisenhower as Supreme Commander in Europe, and designed Operation Overlord, the invasion of Normandy.”

III. Harry S. Truman as a Senator (another Democrat) made sure we got a bang for our taxpayers buck—in the war we won (but I repeat myself shamelessly):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman#Truman_Committee

“He gained fame and respect when his preparedness committee (popularly known as the ‘Truman Committee’ ) investigated the scandal of military wastefulness by exposing fraud and mismanagement. His advocacy of common-sense cost-saving measures for the military attracted much attention. Although some feared the Committee would hurt war morale, it was considered a success and is reported to have saved at least $11 billion.”

The problem with the Bush Adminsitration is that they think competence is loyalty to them. And the Republican Party is still the party for what big business wants and opposed to what we the people need.

I wish they would have run this war like WWII ... maybe we’d be winning. Selecting competent generals to fight the war and having strong oversight to eliminate egregious fraud would have made a HUGE difference ... don’t you think? That is, if we were fighting the right enemy—in the first place.

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By joe, August 30, 2006 at 9:13 am Link to this comment
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Facist Rummy calling critics of Bush’s war and his bungling of it “facists?” Isn’t he a little confused? Hasn’t he looked in a mirror lately - or maybe he has! Sieg Heil!

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By cognitorex, August 30, 2006 at 8:47 am Link to this comment
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VOTING, OUT OF FEAR, FOR MORE INEPT GOP LEADERSHIP IS APPEASEMENT

If Rummy actually thinks we’re in some WWIII, world domination scenario he shouldn’t be serving up another day’s worth of “GOP Security Theater.”

ARE YOU AFRAID NOW??
ARE YOU AFRAID NOW??
ARE YOU FEARFUL NOW??

Given the fact that he made such a consistent cock-up of a piss ant small operation like Iraq, he should resign.

If the Democrats want to serve up some fear, they should point out that Osama is off merrily making videos, Iraq is in flames despite untold thousands of deaths and half a Trillion dollars wasted, and ‘The Great Satan,’ as the U.S. is affectionatly known, is now many times more reviled and significantly less feared.

If voters this fall do anything to let Rummy, Cheney and el nino de Crawford remain in power, then they, the voters, will be the appeasers to an inept and disgraced leadership.

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By Mike Nomad, August 30, 2006 at 8:41 am Link to this comment
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What a sad, crazy, little man.

Terrorism is a tactic. One does not “declare war” on terrorism, rather, one declares war on terrorists. However, to get into “the spirit” of this particular mis-use of the language, AmeriKa (yes, on purpose) should not declare war on terrorism, but instead declare war on the motivations of terrorists: Globalization that leads to poverty, famine, and the crushing of the human spirit. We are the largest advocate of Globalization, so I guess that means we need (another) Civil War. Oh great, I live in Texas.

If the system that the top .001 percent of AmeriKans are advocating (Capitalism as they practice it) is such a great idea, let’s set up a deal with the BBC. Instead of Frontier House, or 1940s House, advocates could have On The Border NAFTA House. Too much of a bummer? How about Most Countries In Africa House, or Lower Caste In India House?

The reason I’m not suggesting Iraq House, or Something That Ends With Stan House, is that I wouldn’t want anybody to get shot in persuit of television ratings.

Further, a comparison between anti-war beliefs of the US Citizenry and Nazis is a Propaganda 101 move. Also, any comparison between the capabilities of Nazi Germany and present day Iraq are so mind-numbingly stupid as to be almost beyond belief. Iraq has no Inter-Theater Power Projection.

As a vetran of the “Indian Wars” back in the 1980s, it seems that what Mr. Rumsfeld promotes is a continuation of a Big Man Society approach to Government.

OK. Mr. Rumsfeld, let’s go, and for all the marbles. Old school, and in the Pentagon parking lot. We’ll have one of our wrists bound together, with a rock (get it) placed on the ground between us. Better yet, a knife. A knife made out of Damascus steel. You may have a suggestion even more fitting. Hopefully, I am not the only one here with a sense of irony.

Mr. Rumsfeld, If I win, the United States leaves Iraq. Immediately. If you win, you get the propaganda coup (woops) of a lifetime.

I dare you. I double-dog dare you.

Mike

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By Richard, August 30, 2006 at 7:48 am Link to this comment
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“An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland,” said Hitler when he created the Gestapo. But this quote, in different syntax, could just as well be attributed to Bush, Chaney and Rumsfeld today. And this same mentality is being used to stifle free speech and otherwise curtail our civil liberties in the name of fighting people who “hate our freedoms.”

This kind of rhetoric was used during the Vietnam War. The difference is that that war was remotely justifiable by Americans’ communist paranoia in the 1960s. The war in Iraq is built on a pile of lies by a man whose primary goal as president is to one-up his daddy by ousting Saddam Hussein, feed a war-based plutocracy, and transform the U.S. presidency into a monarchy.

If there’s a lesson from history, Mr. Rumsfeld, it was given to us by Ho Chi Minh, who said (roughly): “You’ll kill a lot of us, we’ll kill a few of you, and you’ll leave.” Just as in Vietnam, Iraqi resistance fighters (euphemistically called “insurgents” by the administration and the gullible media) are willing to sacrifice every man, woman and child to be free to go about the business of repressing and killing each other without outside interference.

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By Ga, August 30, 2006 at 6:53 am Link to this comment
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You how some people who lie about something, can end up covering up that initial lie with more lies? Unable to admit even making a mistake, someone who lied about something will, upon evidence to the contrary, fight so hard to cover up his lie that he will enter a spiral of deceit and deception and misdirection, ending up lashing out in anger at those around him, all to avoid being perceived as weak and imperfect.

The Axis of Idiots—Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld—are in this spiral.

Dick “I never said that” Cheney is a pathological liar.

Donald “We know where they are” Rumsfeld is an ego maniac.

Bush ... Well, he’s just an idiot.

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By One Way Stox, August 30, 2006 at 5:56 am Link to this comment
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“...invade China in response to the Japanese bombing Pearl…”

You must be some sort of moron. 

Rummy is 100% correct.

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By cognitorex, August 30, 2006 at 5:33 am Link to this comment
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CAN YOU KILL THEM ALL, MR RUMSFELD?

In a world where a cell phone applied to a cup of liquid can cause untold horror who in their right mind thinks destroying sovereign nations who already detest us is going to make the world safer? It seems plain nuts.
Somebody needs to tell Kristol and Cheney to shut their yaps for at least a few minutes each day to see if there is not some alternative to incinerating a goodly chunk of humanity in the name of self defense.
Surely there has to be some middle road short of ‘War-mageddon.’

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By Joe, August 30, 2006 at 5:24 am Link to this comment
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Rummy must have seen himself in a mirror! Imagine that Busho-facist calling critics of the Iraq invasion and this administration “facists.” Bet his staff has to greet him with “Sieg Heil” when he enters a room

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By Melker63, August 30, 2006 at 1:09 am Link to this comment
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Continents and countries that starts WW-style wars loose worldpolitical influence afterwards. Just look at Europe and Germany - relatively seen they are weaker now the prior to WW1.

Talking about WW1: I cant help getting that pre-WW1 feeling all over again. Some people wants to start something confident about the outcome and that it will preserve certain values. Then it plays out in a far, far worse manner then anyone possibly could imagined.

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By Merkwurdigliebe, August 29, 2006 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment
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Fascism: a system of government where titular ownership of property is vested in the people but control of that property is exercised solely by the government.  Sound familiar, Guantanimanians?

Rumsfeld is a neocon wannabe, a wannabe OPEC-buster , and a fool; led into this debacle by his buddies Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, long since departed to their new appointments, courtesy of Einsatzgruppenfuhrers Sharon und Olmert. 

(When you f…. up in this adminstrayshiun, you gets yerself the medal o’ freedum and a top job at the wurld baynk.)

How much longer are Americans going to be forced to live under Israeli domination?  For how many more elections are we going to allow AIPAC to select our candidates? 

When the next elections come, and all AIPAC allows you is a choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche, write in a vote for anyone but either of their preselected candidates.  (My thanks to Trey P. and Matt S. for their highly accurate characterizations of our candidates for national office)

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By C.P.T.L., August 29, 2006 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment
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There is no moral or intellectual confusion about this rule of history: First, before anything, we must be vigilant against the old brand of fascism, and a leader who suggests otherwise is a liar.

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By joey, August 29, 2006 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Don
Don’t sprain your brain.
the analogy is easy
GW + Cheney equals Hitler
Rove is Goebbeles
Rumsfield is Schultz
(the poor dumb thing that never had a clue.)
Does Walter Reed do nursing homes?

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By Bukko in Australia, August 29, 2006 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment
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To paraphrase Peewee Herman: Rumsfeld calls his opponents fascists: “I know what I am, so that’s what I’ll call YOU!”

The reason this is ominous is that it’s part of a trend to demonise anyone who opposes the madness of President Cheney and War Minister Rumsfeld. “You don’t like us? You’re like Hitler! You support the terrorists! Therefore, we can crack down on you and put you in the new Guantanamos that KBR is building on the American mainland.” And they’re the ones who control the guns.

You’re right, Americans are sheep. I used to be one, but I ran the hell away from the flock. Good luck when it comes to the fleecing and abbatoir…

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By expornstar, August 29, 2006 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment
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Nazi comparisons hey….... Did not Germany invade Poland on a lie.

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By Spinoza, August 29, 2006 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, Rumsfield is a fascist but what are we going to do about it????  We need to get out in the streets. Please contribute to world can’t wait.

http://www.worldcantwait.net/

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By Ga, August 29, 2006 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment
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<blocakquote>No one wants war, its a natural reaction to avoid confrontation and violence. unfortunately, if you look at what is happening in Aceh, Indonesia, Lebanon and Israel, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. you will notice that violence is the way people solve problems in many arab and muslim countries (extremists).</blockquote>

No one wants war? Except them!  Like just who invaded who?!??! Oh, I get it, they hate our freedom so we have to force them to have freedom too. I get it.

Violence is the way they solve problems? What country do you live in or are you simply a TROLL?

The U.S. has killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Iraq over the last three years alone and you have the gall to post here saying that they solve problems by violence?

We, the U.S., via the CIA and it’s Military and the Corporations they have backed, has been screwing the people of the Middle East ever since oil was discovered there.

Are all supporters of the Axis of Idiots—Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld—as ignorant of the history of the U.S. as J-red?

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By Hans, August 29, 2006 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment
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I absolutely agree with Rummy. Just think of it, if back in the 1930s, the western democracies launched a preemptive attack on Sweden, the world would have been a much better place - just like it will be with our current invasion of Iraq.

GOTT MIT UNS !!!!

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By yours truly, August 29, 2006 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment
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Rumsfeld’s the one who’s confused since it’s not Iraq or Iran but the USA that threatens the world now, just as Nazi Germany did in the first half of the last century.  Which means that the appeasers today aren’t those who oppose the Iraq war but those who support.it.

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By Paul G, August 29, 2006 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment
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Fascism: an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and and social organization.

These terms that the Bush admin puts out to describe the enemy are ridiculous attempts at dodging the truth.

They know very well that the only way to eradicate terrorism is to get it at its source. The madrasas. The children’s care centers. The slums. Disaffected youth that no nothing about the Western world and are told that the West is after their families and that we are the devil and have to be destroyed.

But they (the Bushies, the Roves, and the Cheneys) don’t care about that stuff. I don’t think people realize who exactly is profiting from this war. The people in power in our government aren’t concerned with the lives of our troops, nor innocent Iraqis, of which tens of thousands (perhaps 50,000 already) have been killed. Yes, many have been a result of internal conflict and bombings, but who started all this crap?

Saddam was a bad bad guy. But there are ways to get rid of people like him. Destroying an entire country that was on the brink of failure anyway is   NOT ONE OF THEM.

Don’t be surprised if this ridiculous effort bites us back. Hard.

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By kevin99999, August 29, 2006 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment
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This man is too dumb to give anyone lessons of history. He is an ideologue, not an analyst or a student of history. He is engaging in sophistry.

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By slg, August 29, 2006 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment
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Rumsfeld Goes off the Depends?

A bunch of people will be pissed about that.

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By Merkwurdigliebe, August 29, 2006 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment
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“all 100 senators & 98% of house members were thrilled when israel bombed lebanon to smithereens—”
Probably not, but if they want to stay in office they’ll have to toe the AIPAC line.  Ask Rep. McKinney about ticking off our Israeli masters.  We’ve got the best Congress our ($2bn annual) foreign aid to Israel can buy!  And the best Judiciary.  And the best Exec…. Well, never mind about our Execumative branch.  (When you buy wholesale, sometimes you get shoddy merchandise.)

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By proudtobeanamerican, August 29, 2006 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment
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A new type of fascism? Atrocities committed by Bush & his cronies?Israeli bombed Lebanon to smithereens? Hey, are you guys college students
hitting the bong? Or even worse, the crack pipe?
No, that’s right, you’re a couple of foreign pussies who hate the greatest country that’s ever existed…...we’re not sheep. We are shepherds, and we’re baaaaaaaaaad!

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By J-red, August 29, 2006 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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No one wants war, its a natural reaction to avoid confrontation and violence. unfortunately, if you look at what is happening in Aceh, Indonesia, Lebanon and Israel, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. you will notice that violence is the way people solve problems in many arab and muslim countries (extremists).

This violence has been brought to bear on the western world, before 9/11, before Iraq. Although Iraq has been a complete disaster, the aim is to face the issues head on.

I agree with Rumsfeld, in principle, in facing the threat head on. You can all sit back and say that the US should get out of Iraq and blame everything on Israel, but that shows your lack of knowledge of the region and history.

The threat is real, not imagined. Ask the relatives of the victims of 9/11 (which happened before Iraq!!!) as well as Madrid, Bali etc.

Dont appease the muslim extremists like Europe appeased the Nazis.

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By Baruch Atoi, August 29, 2006 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment
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The Israelis have figured out a way to get American Boys and the American Army to fight and die and get blown to bits in military campaigns the Israelis themselves won’t send their own boys to fight.
They want to draft our kids to die, one at time, killing arabs in hand-to-hand combat all over the world. And if every American kid of fighting age dies in the process, this is OK with them. AND Rumsfeld and the pentagon are playing along with this strategy (really a stupid non-strategy).
If this continues as planned by Israel and our own ‘Military Strategists’, there many not be any Arabs left in 20 years, but there won’t be any American males left alive, either.

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By CapitalCat, August 29, 2006 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment
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Actually, Realist, the United States *did* declare war on Germany after Pearl Harbor, since the Reich had aligned itself with Japan and declared war on the US.

Of course, this was in 1941—two years after Britain, Canada, France, the USSR and other nations were fighting the Germans. FDR wanted to provide assistance to the Allies but the Republicans didn’t want to interfere with a Nazi government that, truth to tell, they didn’t find that offensive.

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By Fadel Abdallah, August 29, 2006 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment
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This is a case of the kettle calling the pot black! This happens on a day when they received a dictator in the White House and when we are supposed to be humbled by the memory of Katrina one year ago, and by the memory of 9 /11 five years after.

As we commemorate the first anniversary of Katrina, I would like to record my feelings about how bad an omen was Bush and gang for this for our country. Just nine months into his first stolen election, we were hit with the tragic events of 9/11. Whether this was an inside job or it was some outside enemy, history still needs to give its final verdict. However, the fact that it happened on Bush’s watch is bad enough of an omen for people to wake up.

Almost nine months into his second term, our country was devastated by the horrors of Katrina. This was, for sure, a wake up call from heaven; another bad omen about this evil imposed on the nation in the name of democracy and security.

How bad it has to get till the average American wakes up to the horrors committed by this administration in their names and with their tax-payers money!

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By nhpdm, August 29, 2006 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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Irony:  The CBS news article has Rumsfeld quoting Clemenceau—

“War is, as Clemenceau said, ‘A series of catastrophes that results in victory.’”

According to quotationspage.com Clemenceau also said this:

There is no passion like that of a functionary for his function.

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By myles, August 29, 2006 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder if the nazis also thought “...the language of the Geneva Conventions was too vague and needed to be better defined by Congress.”

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By The Last Realist, August 29, 2006 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment
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It’s a lot like declaring war on Germany in response to Pearl Harbor.  That would have been silly wouldn’t it?

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By daveydude, August 29, 2006 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, the world faces a new type of facism when the President of the United States of America continues to break American and international law over and over again.

I swear, you Americans got more upset over Clinton’s BJ than the string of atrocities Bush and his cronies have perpetrated.

Take back your country, dudes.

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By harald hardrada, August 29, 2006 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment
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rumsfeld knows that nearly all americans love war, provided other folks’ kids do the dirty work

about 90% of americans were thrilled when bush took us into iraq—the only reason that many have since changed their minds is that bush, cheney & rumsfeld bungled the job

all 100 senators & 98% of house members were thrilled when israel bombed lebanon to smithereens—hardly any americans realize how much damage israel’s bloodthirstiness has done to america’s standing in the world

rumsfeld knows that nearly all americans will fall in line when bush decides to attack iran

americans are sheep

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By Bushed, August 29, 2006 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment
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well he should be an expert on fascists, eh?

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