Colonel: By King George I was referring to GWB; being cynical I guess; not the King George.
I am with you on this one. No offence meant

Salman, King George was not a Scot. And anyway, what’s wrong with Scottish Highlanders?  And go a little easy on the U.S. There are tens of millions of Americans who, like you, utterly reject what Israel is doing in the Middle East. You’re on the side of God against the Israelis, but don’t make any more enemies than you have to.

Frank, the cowardly Israeli Defense Forces are those who ride down the streets of Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon in heavily armored tanks to fight kids throwing rocks and a few men firing antiquated light arms; and cowardly Israeli jet pilots flying at high altitude dropping bombs on civilians; and Israeli ground forces in heavy body armor harrasing unarmed civilians. Man for man, on the ground, they have just proven they are not equal to the Arab defenders of Israeli-occupied countries. Without state-of-the-art weaponry, the Israeli Defense Forces would be a joke!

Frankie I was just wondering why the Jews( now I know it upsets you when I use the word Jew, it’s so anti-semitic; it’s not a polite word like Islamofascists); as I was saying, I wonder why they didn’t use suicide belts instead of just obligingly hopping on to those trains in Europe to be quitely escorted to their new heated lodgings? But then you quite rightly point out that would have been so COWARDLY AND UNETHICAL AND IMMORAL. Killing innocent German civilians would have been a deliberate fascist act of terrorism and murder! Right?

BTW even as a second language, my language skills are way better than your Lord and Master His Royal Highness King George, formerly of the Scottish highlands.
Pull out any Word Power from a Reader’s Digest and we can settle that score at least.

TERRORISM IS ALL ABOUT INTENT and TACTIC( FROM CATATONIC FRANK):

So if you intend to kill a thieving bast*rd who has come from Europe, because there were too many swastikas in his face and occupied your land. IS THAT A TERRORIST intent?

And if you do not have Apache helicopters but only a suicide belt to use; IS THAT A TERRORIST TACTIC?

Remember it’s all about intent and tactic!

I wonder why the U.S. is not concerned about Israel’s growing nuclear arsenal. What if they turn around and threaten the U.S. one day for refusing entry to Jews escaping Germany in the 40’s? Remember the Voyage of the damned?

Frankly Frank you are not just a twisted soul soaked in racist blood but a Zionist apologist. Comparing the redrawing of boundaries in Africa and the redrawing of European boundaries over the centuries in inter-European and inter-tribal wars with the trans-atlantic migration of Europeans from all corners of the continent to commit mass extermination of the indigenous peoples of America, occupy their lands; and boasting about the fact that” Well we didn’t kill them all; theirs still a few left” and we have “ civilized them”. How sick and racist can you get? Yes Frankie I do know that the Romans invaded Britain and I do know that there probably were less than a quarter of the nation states a century ago than there are today, following the end of colonialism. Yes, I know that Yugoslavia is now five countries; and boundaries have disappeared. But how does all of that compare with the Americas?
You are one hell of a sicko kid!
I have read the history of India since the time of the Buddhist Emperor Ashoka; prey which land did the Indians invade across the seven seas and commit mass genocide? Which continent did the Chinese sail to, to decimate the natives and still ocupy?

Defending the indefensible is a trait known only to warped minds. Someone who defends mass murder is condemning the terrorists for not using F-16’s instead of suicide belts. What a joker!!

Of course I forgot to mention that India did take over the Portugese colony of Goa; killed all of the Mohawk Indians and civilized the remaining few; and of course China went into Tibet; killed all the Apache Indians and civilized the remnants; not to forget the Aryans who invaded India in 1500 BC; killed all the Cherokee Indians and drew a swastika on a temple.
The same swastika which later terrorised your Zioinist brethren.

By the way, Salman, there are more than 2 million Native Americans living on ancestral lands in the USA today and another 5 million who claim Indian descent. I doubt they would appeciate you telling them that they don’t exist. Granted, they are a civilized people that have assimiliated into the American culture and live peaceably with other ethnic groups, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t here.

Colonel, are you talking about the same “cowardly Israeli Defense Forces” that kicked the ass of three Arabic countries at once? Their soldiers are out there in uniform, in the open, every day, ready to fight to protect their country from the Islamofacist cowards that are just waiting for another chance to send some brainwashed kid to blow up a bus or coffee shop full of women and children.

Salman, try reading my original post again and try to let it sink in as you have gone off on some bizarre tangent.  Here goes:

“Occupying land does not make a terrorist state. Nearly every country in the world occupies land won from some other group or nation state. ”

This simple statement obviously flew right over your head. Maybe English isn’t your first language, so I apologize if this is a language comprehension issue.  Let me try and rephrase for you: Nearly every country in the world, namely England, France, Germany, China, India to name a few, occupies some land that was won from another nation/state in war. If you think otherwise you might want to look at historical maps going back a thousand years or so and you will be amazed to find that borders change and empires come and go! Shocking, but true.  Israel is no different in this regard. It occupies some land it won in war, like nearly every nation on earth, as well as land that Israelite ancestors lived on for thousands of years.

Many nations also occupy lands where large populations of the original native inhabitants were mostly killed off. Where in the world you got the goofy idea that this only happened in the USA is beyond me, so I will just hold your school teachers accountable.  This has happened throughout history, Salman, not just in Canada, America, Mexico, but throught Europe and the rest of the world going back thousands of years.  The majority of the original tribes of Switzerland were wiped out by Roman invaders and occupiers. The original indigenous habitants of Ireland vanished after several waves of celts, vikings, and normans settled there, etc. Many tribes in Africa were virtually exterminated by other tribal states. There was genocide of Australian aboriginals by European settlers.  There are examples in every part of the world.  What you don’t know about history could fill alot of books, Salman, so I honestly suggest you start reading if you want to learn.

If you are averse to books, you can start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

You also completely missed the point about terrorism. It has nothing to do with weapons used or number of people killed.  It is about INTENT and TACTICS.  You do understand that in the laws and morals of most nations, there is a difference between deliberate pre-meditated murder and causing an accidental death, right?  The intent of terrosists is to target civilians directly, because slaughtering people causes widespread fear and can be used as a means of political coersion.

Terrorism is a tactic of last resort for a militarily weak force (clearly not Israel) who have no chance of achieving clear military victories by conventional military means (obviously not Israel as Jordan, Syria, and Egypt can attest) and are unable to muster enough political support to achieve their goals diplomatically.  Terrorism is the tactic of cowards who are afraid to put on the uniform of a soldier and take to the battlefield and face other soldiers directly, and who see no ethcial difference between fighting armed soldiers and intentionally slaughtering unarmed civilians.

Israel is not terrorist because it has no need to be as it is clearly militarily superior to any nation state in the region and can achieve it’s security goals through military means by fighting armed enemies directly. It has spent vast quantities of money on precision guided weapons to allow it to target militants individually while minimizing civilian casualties. This is the opposite approach that terrorists take, who try to maximize civilian casualties by targetting them directly, while avoiding direct confrontation with the enemies military whenever possible.

If Israel was a terrorist state they would forgotten about fighting militants long ago would have simply carpet bombed the Palestinians into oblivion.

Mr. Frank sounds like a typical American Fascist. Why are there so many fascists in this country?

Sorry, Frank (Comment #20335), but Salman is right. The Israeli thugs who invaded Lebanon are nothing but terrorists with 21st Century weapons. Worse than that, they deem the lives of others (goys) to be less valuable than the lives of Jews. Goys are just cattle to be slaughtered when the occasion arises, that is, when the cowardly Israeli Defense Forces can do it with a minimum of danger to its precious soldiers.

Frank you may have a point; the Chinese went to China from the U.S. and exterminated the natives there! I think you are too far strayed for any realignment.

Read on:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide5.htm

“The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world.” David E. Stannard. 4
“This violent corruption needn’t define us.... We can say, yes, this happened, and we are ashamed. We repudiate the greed. We recognize and condemn the evil. And we see how the harm has been perpetuated. But, five hundred years later, we intend to mean something else in the world.” Barry Lopez. 3
“By then [1891] the native population had been reduced to 2.5% of its original numbers and 97.5% of the aboriginal land base had been expropriated....Hundreds upon hundreds of native tribes with unique languages, learning, customs, and cultures had simply been erased from the face of the earth, most often without even the pretense of justice or law.” Peter Montague 1

Yet we don’t see any holocaust or genocide museums for the Indians; why? cuz remember only the other day VA’s Allen was jeering at another Indian, with a macaca slur. Racism is not only alive and well in America, but comes crashing down across the planet in the shape of deadly bombs and sweeps thru the corridors of the Abu Ghraibs and the Gitmos; EXTERMINATION the common denominator!

To Frank:
The Arabs live in the middle east( except for some European intruders); the Persians live in Iran; there was a partition of India( between India and Pakistan), but it was meant for the people of the Indian sub-continent; the Thais live in Thailand; the Burmese in Burma or Myanmar; the Russians in Russia; for the most part of history, the indigenous people still inhabit their ancestral lands through the ages. Which other example is comparable to the Americas, of boatloads of undocumented aliens from Europe coming to vaporize the indigenous people, through military and chemical warfare?
Since you are a history buff, why don’t you give me just one identical case.
So if the difference between evil and civilized is a suicide belt and an F-16; then have you tried offering F-16’s to the Palestinians to maintain a balance of power.
“ Hezbollah hid behind civilians”. Right! Where did you hear that Frank? From the Jew controlled media; when Human Rights watch and others have confirmed that that was NOT the case and the UN which you have scorn for, have declared those as war crimes.
Which civilians were the Palestinian family on the Gaza beach hiding behind? It is only when you live in a place; where you are not safe at home; on the road; on the beach; out shopping; visiting a hospital; where your electricity and water has been cut off; your home bulldozed; your brothers killed and across the wire fence you see a gun toting soldier, who you can tell for a fact looks as middle eastern as Christ would have looked Scandinavian; only then will you begin to fathom the motivation for revenge; i.e terrorism the way you define it.
I hear that a lot of people are brainwashed; however I think there’s some who don’t have any brains to wash!

Salman said “The Africans live in Africa, The Chinese in China, the Indians in India; it was only in the Americas that boat loads of illegal aliens came from Europe and wiped out the local peoples. No other nation was created on the blood of others.”

Salman, seriously, get back to school and take world history. I’m not even going to touch that one it’s so hopelessly naive. I suppose I could respond on the same simplistic level by saying “the Americans live in America” to illustrate the naivete of what you said, but I doubt you would understand.

You also said :“ Any group which utilizes F-16 bombers and knows that it will be killing thousands of innocent civilians is a terrorist group, plain and simple. ”

You clearly don’t understand what the term ‘terrorism’ means. Civilians die in warfare, that is inevitable. By your definition all the allied powers that defeated Nazi Germany in WW2 are terrorists for bombing targets in cities and killing thousands of civilians in the process.

Israel was targeting a military force to achieve a military goal, while avoiding civilian casualities to the extent possible. That’s why Israel was dropping leaflets in civilian centers before the airstrikes began telling civilians to get the hell out of the area. Civilians were killed by Israel because Hezbollah hid among civilians while launching rockets into Israel, giving the Israelies no way to fight them without killing innocent civilians who did not heed the call to evacuate. 

That is a far cry from deliberately targeting civilians for murder to create terror as a means of influencing public policy.  If you are honestly too daft or amoral to understand the profound difference, then I’m not going to waste any further posts trying to enlighten you.

Comment 20186, the bulloney special:
“Any group which utilizes or has utilized suicide bombers to deliberately target civilians is a terrorist group, plain and simple. 

Occupying land does not make a terrorist state.”

My reply: Any group which utilizes F-16 bombers and knows that it will be killing thousands of innocent civilians is a terrorist group, plain and simple.
Let’s give the suicide bombers F-16’s so that they may throw away their suicide belts and join the F-16 group. Plain and simple.

So if someone occupies your home when you are away, I guess it’s okay for the occupier to call you a terrorist if you try and repossess it? Which nations, BTW have occupied other lands and killed off the native populations? The Africans live in Africa, The Chinese in China, the Indians in India; it was only in the Americas that boat loads of illegal aliens came from Europe and wiped out the local peooples. No other nation was created on the blood of others.
I guess the brutal genocide of countless millions of native populations of North America is okay, because that’s not evil. Only suicide bombers are evil, nothing else in the world is evil? I guess the holocaust then was not evil because it wasn’t terrorism, cuz no suicide bombers were used.

Souldn’t it be helpful for Americans to get Hezbollah’s perspective on its conflict with Israel? God knows we get enough of the Israeli perspective.

>>>Yet more proof that the mainstream media is controlled by the Jews in the U.S.; denying Arab channels entry into the market. <<<<

Yes, but not all Jews! True, the mainstream are reactionary right wing Jews. (liberals) However, it is wrong (unethical) and counter productive to stereotype for political purposes. (Generalizations are of course perfectly valid sociology)

Though I have no way of knowing all or most Jews I would say a good number, possibly more than half, have a more progressive attitude toward the Palestine/Israel conflict then say the Congress-critters who are bought and paid for by the Israel Lobby.  I do however agree that the Jewish tribal unity is a very strong factor.(I have nothing against tribal unity until it becomes nationalism and the belief that my tribe is better then your tribe.  Then it becomes fascism).

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There are three anti war organizations who don’t seem to talk to one another due to ideological differences. This is stupid. We have to get International Answer, United for Peace and Justice and the World Can’t Wait people to act together.  (Anyhow the World Can’t Wait People seem most energetic)

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Today’s Reason to Drive Out the Bush Regime

I think I remember that al Manar was banned in France and possibly other “capitalist democracies” when the USA got the EU to declare Hezbollah a terrorist organization.

Capitalist democracy = plutocratic oligarchy

Nevertheless, freedom of the press should be sacrosanct along with due process and no uncalled for searches ans seizures.  They are fundamental values that the fascists are trying to thwart.

Any groups which utilizes or has utilized suicide bombers to deliberately target civilians is a terrorist group, plain and simple. 

Occupying land does not make a terrorist state. Nearly every country in the world occupies land won from some other group or nation state.  Are all Americans and Canadians terrorists because we occupy Native American/American Indian lands?

The idea of a free press in Fascist USA.

Yet more proof that the mainstream media is controlled by the Jews in the U.S.; denying Arab channels entry into the market.
I guess the spin maestros will shortly be coming up with new definitions of free speech; such as “ that it carry’s with it certain responsibilities”. We won’t be hearing the other argument about switching the channel if you don’t like what you see.
Shouldn’t the people decide what they want to see or don’t wanna see? I thought censorship was a tool of dictators; not part of a democracy!

Its ludicrous that the U.S. considers Hezbullah, whi is fighting Israel occupation, as a terrorist organization....and does not consider Israel a terrorist state who has occupied arab lands and destroyed neighbouring countries countries.

Americans!

Either complain effectively about this now or be prepared to shut up when “they” shut down CBS or NBC or ABC for alleged transgressions against secret state policies.

Either you have FREEDOM of speech or you don’t.

You DON’T. And you never will again unless you get off your fat asses and take back your Constitution and the fundamental rights it guarantees. What in hell are you waiting for? PERMISSION?

PS Please don’t reply offering excuses that it’s in the national best interest. Losing your freedom is a lot bigger tragedy than anything a “terrorist” could possibly do to you.

Anything that disagrees with Israeli propaganda is, of course, against the law here in the U.S. Once again, our freedom to even hear a dissenting political opinion is slowly being taken away.

It seems like the legal situation is a bit different than described in the papers. See http://www.discourse.net/archives/2006/08/can_us_gover nment_prosecute_providing_access_to_hezbollah_tv_as_support _for_terrorism.html for some analysis. It seems that the Congress explicitly excluded news coverage (including commercial) from the relevant law (IEEPA), so US Attroney office does not have a law behind them. Are they simply caving under AIPAC pressure?

You know you have problems when parts of the Arab world is beginning to have freer access to information than you. LOL