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Posted on Aug 16, 2006
Bush butchers the language
Crooks and Liars

Joe Scarborough, of all people, began his program on Tuesday by asking: ?Is Bush an ?idiot?? ? To provide context for his question, the MSNBC host let loose with a must-see highlight reel of the president?s assault on language and logic.


Crooks and Liars:

Lawrence O?Donnell made an interesting statement that Bush is an easy target and probably “the easiest ever at this point”. Fund worked his hardest to defend Bush and even resorted to saying it was the left who made these claims because “they can not argue with his policies”.

Scarborough probably had the most interesting observation when he brought up talked about old clips of when Bush was Governor of Texas and did not make anywhere near the number of mistakes that he does now and said it “seems like he is losing confidence by the day”.

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By salman, August 19, 2006 at 4:42 am Link to this comment
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To Mad as hell:
I bit of hype is okay when empasising a point; but I think in your case that doesn’t apply; because in quite a few countries now, if you dispute the figure of 6 million( which you’ve pushed to 6.5 ), you are in big trouble.
So Hitler and the Europeans killed them; and they suddenly remembered that all their grannies were born in the middle east. I am sure there were Jews living in that area for thousands of years, and they have every right to be there; but how does “Mad guy” get that birth right?
And of course you have conveniently forgotten the remaining 4 million homosexuals and Romanis. By that logic should they also be entitled to a country in the middle east? And shouldn’t there be “holocaust museums” for them as well?
I thought this website was devoted to the truth; so if it hurts, just too bad.
I remember a time in England when Jews used to be hiding their identities; changed their names and did everything possible. And of course we all remember how the civilised Oxford Dictionary defined the word Jew in those days. Today they openly flaunt the symbols of their identity. They are the strongest single group in politics; business, media and Hollywood. So when you mention your individual experience, I do find it a little hard to believe. However I think you should add that the guys who did that to you were the WASPS and not the Palestinians; and therefore you should not be taking out your revenge in the middle east.
There’s an actual competition going on between the Dems and the Repubs on who is a bigger supporter of Israel. Truly disgusting!
A few links to enlighten you, that’s if you have an open mind:
http://www.counterpunch.org/bricmont08122006.html

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060814/aipacs_hold

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,431793,00.html

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By Mad As Hell, August 18, 2006 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment
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Dusty R:

I continued to be amazed by how you misread everything I wrote!  Or ignored it.

I am not anti-semitic.  I am Jewish (but Agnostic) and have had my eyes blackened and my nose broken simply for the “crime” of having been born Jewish.  I’ve had girls refuse to date me, and my son rejected by a private school because of it.  I’m sure Salman thinks I deserve far worse for simply having picked the “wrong” parents. (I dunno.  I thought Mom and Dad were pretty wonderful.) In fact, I read between Salman’s lines that he thinks the world would be Paradise if every Jew was murdered. “Hitler kicked their butts” he said.  No, asshole, he murdered 10 million human being in his concentration camps, and 6.5 million of those humans were Jewish.

But Dusty: You refuse to recognize that there is NO historical evidence of Mussolini practicing anti-semitism prior to 1939—and he had been in power 16 years then. When, in the course of WWII, Mussolini’s weakness as a military leader began his end, Hitler propped him up—and the price was that Mussolini had to implement race laws.

Now: Read this carefully: The dictionary and the encyclopedia are NOT by definition source materials.  The entry in the encyclopedia you quoted was written by a historian with a particular point of view—it is his INTERPRETATION, not fact.

Now, Read THIS carefully too: Nazism is a particularly virulent form of fascism.  Its peculiarity is its biological racism and this DIFFERS if from Italian fascism.

Finally: The fact that the student exceeded the teacher does not change the fact that Hitler was the student (kind of like Darth Vader) and Mussolini was the teacher (but he was no Obi-Wan Kanobi).

Timelines are critical to understanding history.  “Names and Dates”, dreaded by students everywhere are no more than the alphabet of history.  Mussolini’s March on Rome was in the early 1920’s—I believe 1922.  He rose to become the Prime Minister in 1923 and took on the title “Il Duce” or “Leader”.  Hitler attempted to overthrow the democratic German government in 1923 and was sent to prison.  In 1925 he was described by the political scientists as a figure who had faded into oblivion (Yeah, I’ve read those texts, but it was 30 years ago, so I’d have troubles digging it up). When Hitler came to power in 1933, he had to move slowly and carefully—the President was Paul von Hindenburg, the Field Marshall and he DETESTED Hitler—and Hitler was terrified of him. Only when Hindenburg became infirm and died in 1934 (I believe) could Hitler move ahead with set-ups like Krystalnacht. (Night of Broken Glass). Hitler, IMITATING Mussolini, also took the title of “The Leader” which, of course, in German is “Der Fuhrer”.

While I’m no expert on Italian Fascism, I clearly am far more comfortable with the names and dates of the Italian Dictatorship than you are.  I am also clearly far more familiar with the German version as well.

Notice that you and I agree that Salman’s views are pretty disgustin.

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By salman, August 18, 2006 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment
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Just one more thing Dusty:
It is not anti-semitic to question that a tiny minority should have control of your media; rather it is pro-free media; and it is not anti-semitic to question your representaives about how much money they are recieving from an influential group of people; rather it is pro-democracy.
A media and a democracy can only flourish if it has the freedom to do so. The Zionists and the neo-cons and their right-wing Christian fundamentalist allies have deprived democracy of its oxygen.
One day Nancy Pelosi is saluting AIPAC, the next day its Rumsfeld; the day after Hillary Clinton is saluting them and the next day its Bush.
Isn’t their anyone in America who can ask these people. Hey! Who the hell are you serving?

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By salman, August 18, 2006 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment
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To Dusty:

“I do, however, have a problem with Islamic fundies attacking children at Beslan, trains in India, Subways in Britain and Spain, and flying jumbo jets into the WTC.”

When you deprive people of their freedom, a basic human right; they will react in all sorts of violent ways. If they don’t have F-16’s they’ll use a suicide belts or bows and arrows. You are too brainwashed to understand that because you have been programmed to accept what your leaders have dictated to you, rather than think for yourself.
They have said “nothing can excuse such behavior” and you have accepted that. For every single crime in the world they look for a motivation; when it comes to terror attacks; they say: no we mustn’t look for a motivation.
Grow up Dusty!
It is laughable when you talk of our allies! What allies do you have? Israel? Oh, sorry Britain as well; whose Dy PM referred to the idiot the other day as “crap”.
The death toll from those terror attacks which you mention is far less than one months slaughter of innocent people in this world by the U.S. and its Zionist partner Israel.
No one in the world wishes to be a slave and be humiliated or robbed. Freedom is not a terrorist craving. The Chechens, the Kashmiris, the Palestinians WANT THEIR FREEDOM.

Incidentally which WTC did sitting bull bring down before you killed him?

The whole world now scoffs at the ‘anti-semitic’ jibe. Its been overplayed to such an extent, that its lost its sting completely for all times to come. No one in the world has carte blanche to commit crimes and atrocities and then conveniently use the cover of racial immunity ( a la diplomatci immunity ).

You may refresh your memory for just a few anti-Arab Jewish leaders statements:
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
—David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.  From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
—Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”
—David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech
“[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.”
—Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the ‘Beasts,”’ New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
“The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”....
—Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

“If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force….”
—Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

“I would have joined a terrorist organization.”
—Ehud Barak’s response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha’aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

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By Dusty R, August 18, 2006 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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And, the truth comes out. A few quotes: “Excuse me Sir, can you tell us how much money you’ve recieved from the Jews whether directly or indirectly?” or “While only 2% of the American population is Jewish, almost every single news anchor is Jewish and there have been countless times, when if there’s 4 so called experts on the middle east all of them are Jews. That I guess is a free media?”
I could go on. I think everybody knows where i’m taking this. Its such a shame that the one proud DNC, or Left (not to be confused with the Neo-Left) has gone so virulently anti-Semitic.

Ugh, it sickens me.

And by the way Salam: I have no problem with Arabs. Arab, is a race. I am not racist. I do, however, have a problem with Islamic fundies attacking children at Beslan, trains in India, Subways in Britain and Spain, and flying jumbo jets into the WTC.

To Mad As Hell: Let me quote:

often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. 

vs
Nazism = The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy.
What does that mean? IDENTICAL. Give me a break.

Now you want me to show YOU the facts on Mussolini’s anti-semitism, as if you make it an issue of DEGREE of anti-semitism? Give me a BREAK. There is no “Degree” of “Anti-semitism” There only is YOU ARE, or you AREN’T.

You want me to order things? Hitler was the first person to implement the “Final Solution”, Hitler was the starter of WW2, Hitler was the master planner of WW2. Not Mussolini. Mussolini, in terms of being a master ‘leader’, if you want to call it that, wasn’t even comparable.

Only the Soviets refered to Hitler as a Fascist? Incorrect. American, British, French papers all considered Hitler a fascist.

Ah yes, your attempt at labeling “Anti-Semitism” as a level, is well, pathetic. Either your A: Anti-semitic, or B: not Anti-Semitic.

As far as you destroying my arguments? Please. You lack the A: Historical background (By god, your denying Mussolini was anti-semitic!) B: You fail to grasp that A: FDR and HST had to initiate very complicated, and very controversial policies in times of great pain and danger. The same with Bush.

But thats okay, I didn’t figure you’d believe that the Cold War was dangerous: Nor the National Socialists in WW2.
Objective research on the hand of Neo-Leftists is flimsy, by their very account they are post-modernists.

Dusty R

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By salman, August 18, 2006 at 7:27 am Link to this comment
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America is not a democracy by any stretch of the imagination. When the road to the highest office in a country goes thru Tel Aviv then you can’t call that a democracy. The first question I’d like to ask the talking heads on controlled TV on the subject of the middle east is: Excuse me Sir, can you tell us how much money you’ve recieved from the Jews whether directly or indirectly? I guess that’ll be the end of the discussion. In fact there’s two Knessets in the world today; one in Tel Aviv and the other in Washington. How much more pathetic can it be when there’s more dissent of Israeli poilicies in Tel Aviv than there is in Congress?
It is a well known fact that, on several issues Congressmen will vote for the side which has given them a bigger check.
While only 2% of the American population is Jewish, almost every single news anchor is Jewish and there have been countless times, when if there’s 4 so called experts on the middle east all of them are Jews. That I guess is a free media?
And you hear them decry the Arab press for showing all those pictures of death and destruction. One should ask them: Is it a crime now to tell the truth? Isn’t that what democracy is all about freedom of information; not censorship.
Hitler kicks their butts; all of Europe joins in; and they go running to the middle east claiming that Lord Balfour has decreed the land to them. Not satisfied with what they got and living peacefully with their neighbours; for sixty years now they’ve killed and grabbed and pillaged all day and every single day and in the evening they don their hats and suits and go off to another fund raiser for the holocaust.
And who do they have backing them in such unparalleld evil is Columbus’s new discovery the USA.

Shame shame shame! shalom shalom shalom!

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By Mad As Hell, August 18, 2006 at 4:52 am Link to this comment
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Dusty R:

I can’t help that you don’t know history and twist what you do know.

Give me FACTS that Mussolini was as virulently anti-semitic as Hitler.  Remember: Mussolini was anti-Catholic (And how come you didn’t pick up on the FACT that Mussolini had once BEEN a Socialist?) You are just guessing.

Give me FACTS that your order of events that Italy engaged in happened.  They didn’t. Italy’s implementation of race laws didn’t BEGIN until after WWII began (Sept 1, 1939 in Europe, a few years earlier in Asia when Japan invaded China).

This stupid comment that “everyone knows Hitler was fascist” reflects a lack of understanding.  Pretty much only the Soviets referred to the Nazis as “Fascists”. Fascism was an Italian movement that has become the generic for various forms of totalitarian regimes.

Sure, Nazism is a variant of fascism—and the key difference is the level of integration of anti-semitism. Nazi anti-Semitism was/is a peculiar form called BIOLOGICAL RACISM.  Most anti-Semitism throughout Europe was, for hundreds of years, primarily RELIGIOUS, but with 3rd rate thinkers in Vienna in the 19th Century, they corrupted the already corrupt concept of Social Darwinism to invent this Darwinistic competition between the races.  This is WHOLLY an invention of German-speaking thinkers, and Hitler was influenced by them—he WAS Austrian remember, and hung around Vienna in his youth.

I’m not even going to waste time destroying your argument that Mad King George is the same as FDR, JFK and LBJ—I’ve already done so I won’t do it again.  You clearly understand even less of that than you do of Europe between the 2 World Wars.

I throw it back at you: Facts, please!  You have none. (like missing Mussolini’s background)

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By salman, August 17, 2006 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment
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Dusty I think it’s time for you to realize that the world is no longer fooled by you and your ilk. There’s exactly 6 billion people in the world today who hate your leaders guts. And I can assure you they are not all terrorists or mad. In fact you can call who you like terrorists; doesn’t matter any more.
One day they are Mujahideen, freedom fighters, warriors of God ( Quote Brezinski); the next day they are terrorists. The 45 million native Indians murdered by your forefathers were also ” terrorists” I guess.
Every single news conference in which the “idiot” appears is meticulously planned; the questions all pre-screened; the reporters carefully chosen for their political leanings. I mean who on earth are you trying to fool. The British media on the other hand is not scared of its leaders and will embarras them if need be. Here the idiot is like an Emperor. Just put your idiot in the same room with George Galloway; he won’t last more than 10 seconds.
The U.S. media is the most servile media on the face of the earth; all speaking for their Jewish overlords; one single word against Israel and they’ll be out on their backsides the next second.
In fact Lamont’s success is evidence of the fact that people are truly disgusted with the shamelessness of their mainstream media and rely on the blogosphere.
As for Israel being a democratic state and Hezbollah being terrorists. Israelis are the worst criminals on the face of the earth; European converts to Judaism who have no business thieving and robbing middle eastern lands and murdering and raping and pillaging those who resist.
Why don’t you Dusty offer your property to these predators? Ask them to perform another flip diaspora; back to Palm Beach.
Check out: http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2006/08/why-do-we-hate-them.html

You my friend can call who you like evil, no one gives a tinkers fart.
To you the suicide bomber is evil, to me the thieving F-16 Jew bomber is evil.
Unfortunately you hate the Arabs so much that nothing can convince you. When a poor Arab child is killed by a U.S. bomb you will go open a bottle of champagne. So the debate ends there. Period.

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By Dusty R, August 17, 2006 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment
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To Salman:
Last time I checked, there hasn’t been a purging of anti-government reporters committed by the US government. The US media is still anti-government, and has been for a long time. In fact, i’m surprised the government hasn’t created an “anti-media” agency that confronts and disproves many of the media’s false reporting.
Dangerous? Your right. People like the Taliban, the Husseins, and the Syrians have all been slapped by the US and our allies.

Indeed, she is sorry for the “innocent” loss of life. Two problems, that you’ve failed to mention that does great harm to your initial statement: A: Hezbollah stations their garrisons, supply depots, rocket launchers, and other logistics/infrastructure in civilian areas. Just for the fact with the amount of tonnage deployed in Lebanon, with this FEW casualties, shows that the bombing campaign did relatively little damage to the civilian population.
Hezbollah claims a few dozen fighters killed, Israel claims hundreds.
I would rather believe the Israelis, due to the fact much of their fire was directed by anti-artillery radar, forward looking observers, and recon using FLIR technology that detects such areas.

And indeed, the US government did approve of the selling of US made munitions to a government that was fighting a terrorist organization.

And finally, your “evil” comments are a joke. One of the least corrupt governments on the face of the planet (Transparency International) along with being on the top level of civil, political, and economic freedom (Freedom House, Heritage Foundation).

To Mad As Hell:
Please. Everybody admits that the regime in Germany before WW2 and during WW2 was indeed fascist. Any debate of that is nonsense, unless you want to make the post-modernist case using flimsy terminology and semantics.

“Mussolini wasn’t in imitator of Hitler—it was the other way around.  Hitler admired and adopted Mussolini’s tactics and when he became Chancellor, looked to Mussolini for his role model. ” - Please. Using that expression, Mussolini FIRST wiped out the Jews, attacked Poland, and setup the European, African, and Asian continent for WW2.

Now your saying anti-semitism wasn’t one of its main traits of fascism? Are you kidding me? Italy, the home of the Catholic Church, has a long and bloody history of anti-semitism, and much of the cultural traits that developed in Germany to lead to anti-semitism were, if anything, stronger in Italy. The difference? Mussolini wasn’t as capable as a butcher as Hitler.

Concerning Fascism and Socialism: The Time magazine article from 1939 says plenty. We all know Hitler proclaimed to be a Socialist, so let me post something from San Jose State University: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/germany.htm#NAZI - The Nazi Government reacted to the threat of inflation by declaring a general price freeze in 1936. From that action the Nazi Government was driven to expand the role of the government in directing the economy and reducing the role played by market forces. Although private property was not nationalized, its use was more and more determined by the government rather than the owners. “

How has Bush tried to “un-do” what we have? According to Freedom House, Transparency International, and Heritage Foundation (I know i’m going to take a smach for using Heritage’s economic freedom data), the US is still on the top level of civil/political/economic freedom, and still one of the least corrupt governments on the face of the planet.

Facts, please?

Comparing Bush to LBJ/HST/JFK is exactly right. All three had huge foreign policy decisions, in which it lead to the eventual downfall of Socialist forces. LBJ/HST/JFK were all proud and relatively effective cold-war warriors whose largely effective containment policy brought down the USSR and Communism as a threat. Bush, on the other hand, inacted largely effective policies to combat Terrorism, and brought down a socialist leader himself, in Saddam. I doubt many in these rooms realize, Saddam’s party name was the Arab Baathist Socialist Party.

Both policies, Bush’s, and earlier Democrats (From Wilson to Clinton) were largely in support of the expansion of economic, and thus, political and civil freedom. I could go through every single annual speech given by every president since FDR that supported Global freedom, and so forth.
Heck, tell me who said this: “Almost a year ago, in company with 16 free nations of Europe, we launched the greatest cooperative economic program in history. The purpose of that unprecedented effort is to invigorate and strengthen democracy in Europe, so that the free people of that continent can resume their rightful place in the forefront of civilization and can contribute once more to the security and welfare of the world.

Our efforts have brought new hope to all mankind. We have beaten back despair and defeatism. We have saved a number of countries from losing their liberty. Hundreds of millions of people all over the world now agree with us, that we need not have war—that we can have peace. ”
Jesh, it talks about Liberty! It talks about economics! It talks about peace! Security? Who could that be? not Bush, although thats something most people would say, said that. That, btw, was from Truman.


In Rebuttal:
1: You mean, tax cuts for those who pay taxes. Let me quote: To Salman:
Last time I checked, there hasn’t been a purging of anti-government reporters committed by the US government. The US media is still anti-government, and has been for a long time. In fact, i’m surprised the government hasn’t created an “anti-media” agency that confronts and disproves many of the media’s false reporting.
Dangerous? Your right. People like the Taliban, the Husseins, and the Syrians have all been slapped by the US and our allies.

Indeed, she is sorry for the “innocent” loss of life. Two problems, that you’ve failed to mention that does great harm to your initial statement: A: Hezbollah stations their garrisons, supply depots, rocket launchers, and other logistics/infrastructure in civilian areas. Just for the fact with the amount of tonnage deployed in Lebanon, with this FEW casualties, shows that the bombing campaign did relatively little damage to the civilian population.
Hezbollah claims a few dozen fighters killed, Israel claims hundreds.
I would rather believe the Israelis, due to the fact much of their fire was directed by anti-artillery radar, forward looking observers, and recon using FLIR technology that detects such areas.

And indeed, the US government did approve of the selling of US made munitions to a government that was fighting a terrorist organization.

And finally, your “evil” comments are a joke. One of the least corrupt governments on the face of the planet (Transparency International) along with being on the top level of civil, political, and economic freedom (Freedom House, Heritage Foundation).

To Mad As Hell:
Please. Everybody admits that the regime in Germany before WW2 and during WW2 was indeed fascist. Any debate of that is nonsense, unless you want to make the post-modernist case using flimsy terminology and semantics.

“Mussolini wasn’t in imitator of Hitler—it was the other way around.  Hitler admired and adopted Mussolini’s tactics and when he became Chancellor, looked to Mussolini for his role model. ” - Please. Using that expression, Mussolini FIRST wiped out the Jews, attacked Poland, and setup the European, African, and Asian continent for WW2.

Now your saying anti-semitism wasn’t one of its main traits of fascism? Are you kidding me? Italy, the home of the Catholic Church, has a long and bloody history of anti-semitism, and much of the cultural traits that developed in Germany to lead to anti-semitism were, if anything, stronger in Italy. The difference? Mussolini wasn’t as capable as a butcher as Hitler.

Concerning Fascism and Socialism: The Time magazine article from 1939 says plenty. We all know Hitler proclaimed to be a Socialist, so let me post something from San Jose State University: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/germany.htm#NAZI - The Nazi Government reacted to the threat of inflation by declaring a general price freeze in 1936. From that action the Nazi Government was driven to expand the role of the government in directing the economy and reducing the role played by market forces. Although private property was not nationalized, its use was more and more determined by the government rather than the owners. “

How has Bush tried to “un-do” what we have? According to Freedom House, Transparency International, and Heritage Foundation (I know i’m going to take a smach for using Heritage’s economic freedom data), the US is still on the top level of civil/political/economic freedom, and still one of the least corrupt governments on the face of the planet.

Facts, please?

Comparing Bush to LBJ/HST/JFK is exactly right. All three had huge foreign policy decisions, in which it lead to the eventual downfall of Socialist forces. LBJ/HST/JFK were all proud and relatively effective cold-war warriors whose largely effective containment policy brought down the USSR and Communism as a threat. Bush, on the other hand, inacted largely effective policies to combat Terrorism, and brought down a socialist leader himself, in Saddam. I doubt many in these rooms realize, Saddam’s party name was the Arab Baathist Socialist Party.

Both policies, Bush’s, and earlier Democrats (From Wilson to Clinton) were largely in support of the expansion of economic, and thus, political and civil freedom. I could go through every single annual speech given by every president since FDR that supported Global freedom, and so forth.
Heck, tell me who said this: “Almost a year ago, in company with 16 free nations of Europe, we launched the greatest cooperative economic program in history. The purpose of that unprecedented effort is to invigorate and strengthen democracy in Europe, so that the free people of that continent can resume their rightful place in the forefront of civilization and can contribute once more to the security and welfare of the world.

Our efforts have brought new hope to all mankind. We have beaten back despair and defeatism. We have saved a number of countries from losing their liberty. Hundreds of millions of people all over the world now agree with us, that we need not have war—that we can have peace. ”
Jesh, it talks about Liberty! It talks about economics! It talks about peace! Security? Who could that be? not Bush, although thats something most people would say, said that. That, btw, was from Truman.


In Rebuttal:
1:www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/reports/factsheetwhopaysmostindividualincometaxes.update.pdf
That speaks volumes in rebuttal to your comment.
2: Wages have increased faster then the CPI, our hDR has gone from .939 to .944, and Americans are still fat. booo whooo. Try again.
3: You call it “politics” when he simply understands the situation involved with a multi-agency operation on all four levels of government in the United States. If anything, thats a US-Wide hairball, created by our huge ineffective government thats been evolving this way for decades.
4: Reactionary Judges? You mean either A: Evolutionary, or B: Strict Constructionists. If you think reacting to the perversion of the Constitution, then I guess so.
5: Show me where Bush has called one of his critics, “UnAmerican”. I’ll be waiting. As far as being “soft on terror”, that is very well true.
6: Once again: Freedom House debunks your “rights” issue. As far as “power” is concerned, that is an issue of Executive Power in times of war or disaster. Presidents, since Washington, in times of war or disaster, have used increasing amounts of power in order to solve policy and government problems. IF you want to knock Bush on being able to work the executive branch effective, knock Woodrow Wilson for the evolution of the executive branch into its current form.
7: What lie?

And as its shown: Fascists weren’t really big on Jews, Fire-Arms, Rights, Capitalism, etc
So, try again.

Dusty R

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By Alan Vander Wey, August 17, 2006 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment
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Bush is just a pawn.  His IQ would have to be raised for him to be an idiot, per se.  He is indeed a fascist for the above reasons.  He won’t be going back to his ranch, until after he goes to jail for the torture memo.

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By Mad As Hell, August 16, 2006 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment
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Dusty R’s post is so factually erroneous as to be hilarious.

First: Fascism is ITALIAN, not German. It derives from the Latin word Fasces for a bundle of sticks or spears.  Mussolini rose to power in Italy in 1923—10 years before Hitler, when Hitler had been written off as a clown with his failed Bier Halle Putsch and was sent to prison.

Mussolini wasn’t in imitator of Hitler—it was the other way around.  Hitler admired and adopted Mussolini’s tactics and when he became Chancellor, looked to Mussolini for his role model.

Fascism in its native Italy was never anti-Semitic any more than it was anti- all religions.  Despite Hitler’s admiration and support, Mussolini thought Hitler’s fixation on the Jews was absurd and even comical (I guess Benito had a warped sense of humor).  Only when Italy was in deep-shit trouble and Mussolini had to RELY on Hitler to remain in power did he, purely and totally cynically, implement Hitler’s race laws in Italy.

2nd: The idea that National Socialism and Marxism had anything in common is another one of the neo-con fantasies—like the Saddam Hussein/Osama Bin Laden collaboration on 9/11—despite the fact they are mortal enemies.  Marxist socialism, while it doesn’t work, was an attempt to find a way around the gross disparities that arose in 19th century capitalism.  Only under Stalin did it come to rival Hitler’s National Socialism.  Hitler CRUSHED the wing of the Nazi party that emphasised the socialism over the nationalism, having the Strasser brothers purged and eventually killed. Hitler wasn’t a socialist—he was simply a thug who grabbed ownership of the industries that put him in power.  Quite frankly, they got what they deserved.

But what Dusty R misses completely is that Mad King George, like Mussolini, looks for ways to un-do our checks and balances, to remove oversight on his administration, to silence critics with threats and punishments, to institute arrests without charges, attorneys, trials or Habeous Corpus, to fix elections and rig votes, and even to claim the right to determine the other party’s candidates (see Ned Lamont in Connecticut).  It is THIS that makes Mad King George a fascist, and it is EXACTLY what he has in common with Mussolini.

Now that I’ve demonstrated that you don’t know thing one about fascism (and only slightly more about nazism) I find it hilarious that you equate Bush’s stupid, mean, ham-handed, Boss Tweed policies with those of FDR, JFK, or LBJ—and even Wilson (a lousy president—I agree).

Those presidents were TRYING to use the largest actor in the economy, the government, to fix problems that brought so many people to misery.  Mad King George is using it SOLELY to help enrich the elite class he belongs to and further put down the rest of us.  Under MKG, for the first time since the Great Depression, the American middle class has receded—shrunk in proportion to income and the population. 

And, unlike the FDR, JFK, and LBJ, MKG lacks a fundamental capability those 3 had: When something doesn’t work, try something else—FDR did that par excellence.  MKG has the following solutions to every domestic problem: 1) more tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, the 1% who own 57% of the wealth in our country 2) Deregulate EVERY business no matter how devastating the results are. 3) Politicize EVERY federal agency no matter how a-political and innocuous it is—resulting in things like the FEMA/Katrina disaster 4) appoint the most reactionary judges imaginable, and when they can’t get past even the tame Senate, appoint them anyway in recess appointment. 5) Accuse every critic of being “soft on terror” and of “hating America”. 6) Seek and grab more and more power and look for ways to violate Americans’ rights (after all, he has tame judges to say it’s “Constitutional”). 7)“The Big Lie”. No matter HOW it’s proven a lie, just keep saying it and keep having your minions, like Cheney, Cristol, Limbaugh, and O’Reilly keep repeating it ad nauseum. 

Yeah, Mad King George is using EVERY fascist tool Mussolini laid down.  Wise up, bub, before it’s too late and YOU find out you cannot fight back or criticize anymore.

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By salman, August 16, 2006 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment
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Excellent spin Dusty. As we all know in the Pakistan press you can call Musharraf any name under the sun, in print and electronic media; but here in this sham democracy; you have to watch what you say about Bush, before someone knocks on your door.
Bush is not just an idiot but an extremely dangerous one. A man who thinks by dropping bombs on vast tracts of lands across the globe he will bring in a new era of democracy and win the hearts and minds of the people, has to be an unqualified moron. I mean how much more blood will be spilt before this man returns to his cattle ranch?
Such unparalleld evil could never have been witnessed in world history. Condi Rice actually looked the Lebanese PM in the eye and said with a straight face how deeply sorry she was for the innocent civilian casualties, fully cognizant of the fact that at that very minute thousands of laser guided bunker busters were being fedexd to Israel to blow the brains out of some more Lebanese.
I mean these guys are not just the incarnation of evil but the greatest actors on the world stage.
Her ancestors must be dying to come out of their graves and smack her with a broom for the shame. “Hey girl you treating the rest of the world the way these masters treated us. If you are not a slave no more; then no one in the world is a slave to America.”

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By cheryl, August 16, 2006 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
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Of course he is!!! The guy says “uhhhh, aaaand, uuuuh” whenever he responds to an impromptu question!!! He doesn’t have a clue!!! He’s an idiot!!!

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By Dusty R, August 16, 2006 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
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Technically, no. The term “idiot” is a evolved term that was created in the Athenian nation-state, of “idiotes”. During that time, the term “idiotes” meant someone who was not involved in the city-state affairs, meaning, politically. So, Bush, as the President of the United States, by very definition, cannot be an idiot because he IS involved with the politics of the US, and arguably, the leading politician in the world.

But I love posts like “mad as hell” posts…he calls Bush a “Neo-Con Neo-Fascist”....it makes me shudder that people like this are actually making political comments. Bush, if -ANYTHING-, is a LBJ/JFK/HST Democrat. Big deficits, big foreign policy decisions, and had relatively good numbers
So, if you consider a Neo-Con being a Old-School Democrat, so be it. Then again, even the FARFAR left considers Neo-Conservative foreign policy basically Wilsonian, with teeth.

Concerning the “Neo-Fascist” part, ugh.

First and foremost, the most known part of the Fascist regimes in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s were their rabid anti-semitism. As its shown in Bush’s cabinent and our foreign policy decisions, he is FAR from an anti-semite. He supports Jews. He sees them as equals.

National Socialist German Workers Party:
Bush is a diehard capitalist, not a “Socialist”.
Some in here will claim that Hitler wasn’t a socialist, but that was just in his name. Well, he admitted he was a socialist, and I quote Time Magazine from 1939:
“Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.”
(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

With that being said, i’m sure other posters and I could go round and round on Hitler’s governmental foreign and domestic policies, but lets get back to the point of the original post: Is Bush an Idiot? The answer is, No.

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By salman, August 16, 2006 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment
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Unfortunately the whole world pays a heavy price when an idiot occupies the oval office. When measuring the success of any U.S. President I think the American people should do a tally of the hundreds of thousands of human beings who were removed from the planet by his decisions, and then add his name to the Walk of Infamy.

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By Ralph, August 16, 2006 at 11:59 am Link to this comment
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Somewhere in Texas there’s a village missing its idiot. But he’ll soon return.

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By felicity smith, August 16, 2006 at 11:22 am Link to this comment
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Bush is a clear and present danger because he doesn’t KNOW he’s a reckless, feckless, clueless non-entity of a rich boy who has never been held accountable for any of his life-long screw-ups. His entire life he has walked away from a string of self-inflicted disasters unscathed - thanks to his father’s money and his father’s friend’s money. Never having had to suffer any consequences for his disasters, how could he possibly know he was anything other than the (constant) victim of bad luck. He’d be a disaster as a zoo cage-janitor. As a president he’s our disaster.  Too boot, he’s being “managed” by a certifiable paranoid-schizophrenic vice-president whose only interest in life seems to be to die obscenely rich.

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By Broiler, August 16, 2006 at 10:16 am Link to this comment
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“Is Bush an ‘idiot?’”

No! Our country is full of people who are not intimidated by idiots. The president is manipulative to the point that he “plays the fool”, giving simpletons the comforting feeling that he is “one of us”. Gee, I say “nuculer” too! Bush is playing to his core supporters. How can the guy that says “nuculer” be bad? How can the smiling, funny, mispronouncing president be sending soldiers to their deaths for oil and big business? The two images don’t jive, so he must be righteous!

Bush is not the first to play this game (see also FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon…). Clinton played the part of the low morals, sleep-around, broken family man. I cheat on my spouse, I’ve got a broken family and everyone thinks I lie but “I feel your pain”. Hooray, the president’s just like me! We Americans don’t hold ourselves to high standards, why should we treat our leaders differently?

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By kevin99999, August 16, 2006 at 10:00 am Link to this comment
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It may be a part of a plan on part of Scarborough who is a Republican and a staunch defender of Bush and republican policies. May be he is trying to deflect criticism from the Republicans to pile it all on Bush who has only 2 years left and has no coat tails for the Republicans. I guess he, as a Republican, had nothing to lose. If he succeeds in shielding enough republicans, in his mind thats a price worth paying. At the same time, he can vilify democrats, which he has always done.

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By Bukko in Australia, August 16, 2006 at 8:44 am Link to this comment
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“Is Bush an idiot?”

Only an idiot would have to ask that question!

Oh, it was Scarborough. That explains it.

And why might he be mad at Bush? Might it have something to do with how the woman (Cruella Harris) who put the weasel into office torpedoed Joe’s chance to run for the U.S. Senate by threatening to Swiftboat the story about the dead girl in Scarborough’s office?

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By Mad As Hell, August 16, 2006 at 3:55 am Link to this comment
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Joe Scarborough may be a conservative with knee-jerk tendencies, but he’s not a neo-con neo-fascist.  And he has a brain and has NO problem hammering on the dolts and clods leading currently on the right.

If we ever get back to a proper 2-party system, guys and gals like Scarborough are the ones that we should want across the aisle: Smart, critical, bold enough to say what he thinks, and a true patriot—Democracy works best when you have true gadflies on both sides.  One party rule doesn’t work.

But in the meantime, we need to take back Congress and impeach the neo-fascist bastards!

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