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Carter Rails on Fundamentalists

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Posted on Aug 15, 2006

Former President Jimmy Carter, himself a famously pious Baptist, lets loose on religious fundamentalists in an interview with Der Spiegel—how they won’t admit mistakes; how they won’t negotiate with people who disagree with them; how they dehumanize people with other beliefs; and how Bush & Co. fit that bill perfectly.


Jimmy Carter in Der Spiegel:

Carter: The fundamentalists believe they have a unique relationship with God, and that they and their ideas are God’s ideas and God’s premises on the particular issue. Therefore, by definition since they are speaking for God anyone who disagrees with them is inherently wrong. And the next step is: Those who disagree with them are inherently inferior, and in extreme cases—as is the case with some fundamentalists around the world—it makes your opponents sub-humans, so that their lives are not significant. Another thing is that a fundamentalist can’t bring himself or herself to negotiate with people who disagree with them because the negotiating process itself is an indication of implied equality. And so this administration, for instance, has a policy of just refusing to talk to someone who is in strong disagreement with them—which is also a radical departure from past history. So these are the kinds of things that cause me concern. And, of course, fundamentalists don’t believe they can make mistakes, so when we permit the torture of prisoners in Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib, it’s just impossible for a fundamentalist to admit that a mistake was made.

SPIEGEL: So how does this proximity to Christian fundamentalism manifest itself politically?


Carter: Unfortunately, after Sept., there was an outburst in America of intense suffering and patriotism, and the Bush administration was very shrewd and effective in painting anyone who disagreed with the policies as unpatriotic or even traitorous. For three years, I’d say, the major news media in our country were complicit in this subservience to the Bush administration out of fear that they would be accused of being disloyal. I think in the last six months or so some of the media have now begun to be critical. But it’s a long time coming.
[...]
Carter: For a while, yes. As you possibly know, historically, our country has had the capability of self-correcting our own mistakes. This applied to slavery in 1865, it applied to legal racial segregation a hundred years later or so. It applied to the Joe McCarthy era when anti-communism was in a fearsome phase in the country like terrorism now. So we have an ability to correct ourselves and I believe that nowadays there is a self-correction taking place. In my opinion the election results in Connecticut (Eds: The primary loss of war supporter Senator Joseph Lieberman) were an indication that Americans realized very clearly that we made a mistake in going into Iraq and staying there too long.

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By slim jimmy, April 6 at 3:01 pm #
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Carter forgot to mention that Jesus commanded everyone to love thier enemies while Mohammed fought battles to kill any one that wouldn’t convert to islam. All fundamentalists are not the same.

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By Doug Watts, August 16, 2006 at 6:10 pm #
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Read the whole interview on Der Spiegel. Talk about a breath of fresh air. Carter is almost the “anti-GWB.” The man is intensely religious but treats the separation of church and state as reverently as the tenets of his faith. Heard that one lately?

The guy believes that the “works” of faith are far more important than the words. So the guy builds houses for poor people. Couldn’t our brush-clearing president at least build one house for every 100 stems of “brush” he cuts?

Unlike our sitting president, Mr. Carter does not seem intoxicated by the Book of Revelations, Armagideon and the end times, etc. He seems to genuinely believe that the articles of faith to which he has subscribed compel him to do as much good on Earth as he can during his lifetime for people of all faiths and generations to come—and to not make excuses.

It needs to be remembered that Carter was the first lawfully elected US president after the 1972 Nixon debacle and Ford’s desperate “filling in” for Nixon. It is important to remember how close the US came to a constitutional meltdown during this period. Carter in a very important sense returned normalcy and stability to the entire US system of government because ... well ... he was not a crook. While Carter was criticized for his religious piety, the honesty and self-awareness contained within it proved immensely important to getting the US past the Nixon debacle and Ford’s blanket pardon of Nixon. Carter restored faith and trust in the office of the President just by being himself—a basically honest person—at a time when faith and trust in the office of the US President was at its lowest ebb.

Then a guy who never went to church got elected partly on the grounds of being “one with the faithful.” go figure.

I’m glad Mr. Carter is still around. If Mr. Clinton and Mr. Bush Sr. could start talking as soberly, honestly and forthrightly about the future of the USA as Mr. Carter has just done we might be getting somewhere as a nation.

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By tomack, August 16, 2006 at 3:36 pm #
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Dear Jose Chung (nice stage name by the way), you need to study history. Both, Kwagmyre and Amicusbreifs are correct. You are as misdirected as a Blue Tick hound on cocaine.

Dear James, better git back to the still…moonshine’s perkin up nicely.

Dear Presisent Carter, a pleasure, as always.

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By Jose Chung, August 16, 2006 at 1:16 pm #
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Gandersen,

It is obvious to me that you do not know the difference between European values and American values. You are so confused, my friend, which is obviously the result of your college education. You are truly lost when it comes to understanding these topics. But, of course, that is why you are on the Left—because of your confusion.

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By TruthPlease, August 16, 2006 at 3:15 am #
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I’d like to say something that my daddy told me long ago- it’s easy to tear down another man’s work - any fool can set up shop and be a critic - takes no talent, education or training.  But those who would put down the things that Jimmy Carter has done during his sabotaged presidency and after (with his own hands, not just donating money and going to mega-$$$ fundraiser dinners) had better be doing just as much for the world themselves.  There’s no way anyone but an uninformed fool could say that President Carter is not an honest man who tells it like it is,  and does it with true Christian love and humility.  GW, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, Karl ....none of them are fit to lick his shoes.  And they know it. They’ll have a tough time trying to ‘swiftboat’ him, but they’ll undoubtedly try or say he’s ‘irrelevant and outdated’ like the Geneva Conventions and the U.N.  He seems from another, courtlier time, since seaminess and fraud appear to be the name of the game these days.  But Truth with a capital ‘T’ will come out, and History, in my humble opinion, will show these crook’s true agenda of robbing us blind while baffling many of us with Bullshit. They make Nixon and Watergate look like a cheesy minor-league soap opera in comparison! I wish a whole lot more folks would wise up, get mad as hell, and go out and vote (not in a Diebold Voting machine, I hope!)  Let’s practice our Constitutional right to throw the bastards out on their butts! Then they might have to get real jobs…oh yeah - I forget - they’ll just turn into lobbyists.

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By William Histed, August 16, 2006 at 1:31 am #
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I did not agree with President Carter on everything, but I think he was one of our most intelligent leaders and he saved probably tens of thousands of lives by not rushing into Iran in a fit of anger.  His decision, some of them unpopular, cost him re-election.  I think he had a cooler head and was less compulsive than George W. Bush.

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By Gandersen, August 16, 2006 at 12:14 am #
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Jose:

You are a pittful excuse for an American.

What are European values?  For that matter what are American Values?  Values are like truths, if you believe something is the truth, then it is.  The same with values.  Values are different for each American. 

We in America need to stop being so ethnocentric and realize the USA did not invent the world and did not play even a small part in it’s creation.  Of the last 2-5,000 years of modern history, our great nation has only been around for 200+ years??

If there are 300 million Americans, then there are 300 million different opinions on what values are.  Yes, there are many values that cross over, but if you are an educated person you will have to concede values are not a static
concept.
Example(s):
If one considers honesty a value, then why do the vast majority of our prolitical leaders not adhere to this sacred value. 
If we as americans value the rule of law in our society, then why do so many corporate executives constantly break the law?(most are already wealthy)
If we as a “christian nation” value the bible and it’s teaching so much, then why when it says thou shalt not kill, do we kill at will?

In America the truth is we stand on principals and values only when it servs our purposes.  When it does not, we abandon them faster than an uderperforming stock. 

We are a culture of War, material posessions, Fast food and Cars. Europeans share not only many of our values, but offer such a wide diverse culture to the plant that we can not even begin to compete.

So, when you allude to the fact that American Values are lofty and high and mighty and European values are the exact opposite you only show your true ignorance.

So, assuming I have not used too many big words or compound complex sentances and you are still reading, shut the hell up.  You are the type of hillbilly that the Bush Administration makes sense to.

Sincerly,

Proud to Be an American, but lately, Embarrassed.

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By Mad As Hell, August 16, 2006 at 12:10 am #
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I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976 (when he ran against the last decent Republican President—Jerry Ford) and again in 1980, when we started once again down the slippery slope to fascism. 

While I despised Ronald Reagan, I gotta say this: He was awfully classy next to Mad King George.  He had the charm to see across differences to commonalities.  That’s why his FAVORITE dinner guest at the White House was Tip O’Neil.  Still, he gave us Scalia…

But I’ve ALWAYS admired Jimmy Carter.  He made hard decisions even though they cost him the presidency—and his vision was far reaching. 30 years ago, Carter saw TODAY’S Oil crisis and tried to prevent it.  He bit the bullet, along with Paul Volker, to make the country take the bitter medicine it needed to cure the sick economy. Of course, Reagan got the credit, even though HIS policies kicked us back into recession and unemployment.

I’ve seen Jimmy Carter continue to TRY to do good in the world after he left office. Very few ex-presidents have done so much—there was George Washington, who nearly allowed himself to be established as a military dictator while Adams was President.  There was J.Q. Adams who served in the House.  There was William Taft who served as Chief Justice.  And there was Jimmy Carter. Only the third President to win a Nobel Peace prize, and the only one to do it for his work AFTER leaving office!

If all religious people thought and acted about their faith as Carter does, I might actually think there might be something to it.  But I know that there will always be little punkinheads like Jose who don’t have a clue about Carter the man.

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By kevin99999, August 15, 2006 at 11:07 pm #
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All of a sudden, Islam is looking pretty good.

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By kasinca, August 15, 2006 at 10:00 pm #
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James, who would support the trailer trash red states if you bomb the states with all the intelligence and economy?  Why would you think that would solve anything?  And Jose, you are a fool…Jimmy Carter is a real Christian…something that the Republican Party would not recognize if it hit them between the eyes…Christ is not Republican, he was liberal before and he would be liberal today…

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm

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By Dan, August 15, 2006 at 9:38 pm #
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I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and having brief conversations on three occasions with President Carter. Actually four if you include meeting him when I was twelve while he was campaigning for President in Wisconsin

Mr. Carter is one of the most intelligent, insightful, humble and genuinely nice people I have ever met. (It’s a toss up between him and Bart and Cherrie Starr…) Bush may be the kind of guy you’d like to have a beer with but Carter is the kind of guy I’d actually go to a Bible study class with - and I’m a pagan who folows a native American path…

I’m convinced that’s why so many Right Wing wackos hate him so much. He’s something they could never be.

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By Kwagmyre, August 15, 2006 at 9:34 pm #
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Jose Chung writes:

“Yes, thank God we had Ronald Reagan to “self-correct” the course of our country after the miserable failure of the Carter presidency which ushered in the era of Muslim totalitarianism in Iran
and embraced the likes of Fidel Castro of Communist Cuba and Yasser Arafat, the architect of modern terrorism.”

What???  No way, Jose!!!

What REALLY happened(which you’d learn if you take the trouble to do some research)was that this Muslim backlash resulted from the CIA’s overthrow of Mossadegh(this may be misspelled)in 1953 and the subsequent installation of the Shah to which many Iranians didn’t take too kindly(especially with his use of the SAVAK agents to terrorize the populace with).

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By james, August 15, 2006 at 7:04 pm #
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after Iraq ..... BOMB THE BLUE STATES JEB BUSH FOR PREZ

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By Jose Chung, August 15, 2006 at 6:50 pm #
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Yes, thank God we had Ronald Reagan to “self-correct” the course of our country after the miserable failure of the Carter presidency which ushered in the era of Muslim totalitarianism in Iran
and embraced the likes of Fidel Castro of Communist Cuba and Yasser Arafat, the architect of modern terrorism.

The real Jimmy Carter is a mean and nasty and venal little appeasement weasel who will always give the benefit of the doubt to the bad guys, whether they be Hezbollah or Hamas or the PLO.

Jimmy Carter does not hold American values; his values are European, so for him to lecture George Bush is revolting.

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By rachelle, August 15, 2006 at 5:22 pm #
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Now there’s a man who practices what he preaches. I am not a believer but I’d like to say… God bless him!

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By Amicusbriefs, August 15, 2006 at 4:23 pm #
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President Jimmy Carter was ambushed by the ‘October Surprise’, the Republican plot to delay the release of the American hostages in Iran until after Reagan’s election. Since then, he has become a respected international statesman, the leader of Habitat for Humanity and the acknowledged voice of reason to counter Bush-bred hysteria.

Fundamentalists behind the pulpit and behind the podium are a deadly threat to Democracy and world peace. We laud the accomplishments of President Carter and wish him well. We also support Jack Carter’s run for the U.S. Senate. Like father, like son.

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By Spinoza, August 15, 2006 at 2:34 pm #
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Slavery was corrected by a civil war and the Anti Jim Crow Civil Rights movement ended with King’s assassination.

We will only be able to get rid of the NeoCon ideology through violence as far as I can see assuming that the GOP revolution intends to make non-violent change impossible. (which is there stated aim).

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By R. A. Earl, August 15, 2006 at 1:14 pm #
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Again I applaud Mr. Carter for having the uncommon decency and humility to separate his PERSONAL philosophy of life and religious beliefs from his roles as a public servant and his responsibility to provide for the needs of ALL people, not just his personal favorites.

I greatly respect his demonstrated courage to speak his mind regarding the present administration’s complete inability to understand the meaning, spirit and reasons for total separation of church and state.

I sure hope he’s right about Americans having the ability to self-correct because there’s sure a lot of correction URGENTLY required.

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