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Mexico Recount Denied

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Posted on Aug 5, 2006

A Mexican election tribunal has denied presidential candidate Manuel Lopéz Obrador a full recount of votes cast in last month’s election.  The ruling will surely disappoint the thousands of Obrador supporters who have been protesting in Mexico City for weeks.  Mexico’s election commission declared a narrow victory for Felipe Calderón, who won by only 243,000 votes.  Obrador has said he does not accept the findings of the tribunal.


New York Times:

MEXICO CITY, Aug. 5 ? A seven-member electoral tribunal on Saturday unanimously rejected a demand from the leftist candidate for president for a complete recount of votes, setting the stage for more protests by thousands of his supporters who have camped out in the capital, claiming the election last month was fraudulent.

Later in the day, the candidate, Andrés Manuel Lopéz Obrador, a former Mexico City mayor who champions the cause of the poor, refused to accept the ruling. At a raucous rally in the Zócalo, the city?s historic central square, he called on his followers to continue a campaign of civil disobedience in support of a full recount. He gave no hint of what the next move in that campaign would be.

?We demand that the magistrates rectify their decision because they have the ability and the moral responsibility to do it,? he said, as a crowd of several thousand chanted ?fraud, fraud.?

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By Spinoza, August 7, 2006 at 1:02 am Link to this comment
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The news that the recount was denied is disheartening.

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By Spinoza, August 6, 2006 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment
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Socialism is a philosophical position that the golden rule be respected—-that we should do unto others as we would wish others to do unto us.  It is opposite to the capitalist position that we should do in our neighbors before they do us in. Politically socialism stands for liberty equality, fraternity and the idea of the rule by the demos. Economically socialism stands for production for use and a economy based on fair-play and equality. Ideally the workers own and run the means of production and not capitalists. Socially socialism stands for equality and respect for all peoples. Freedom and democracy are alternate but subordinate words for socialism.

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By TruthPlease, August 6, 2006 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment
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It’s amazing that anyone thought the election in Mexico would go any other way but towards Corporatism - multinational companies have a great deal of money invested in controlling the elections in places like Mexico, the USA, Iraq - all somehow innocently tied to BIG OIL!!!  My daddy used to say that if it smells like shit, looks like shit and feels like shit - only a real dummy would have to taste it….Things have been smelling bad here in the states since 2000, but people get more excited about Paula Abdul screwing a contestant on American Idol, etc….If America is dying, it is due to the average American just turning his eyes away and grabbing the television remote.  People have been taught how “not to think” anymore - schools used to teach people how to find information and use their brains - now it’s just follow the rat’s butt in front of you on the wheel, and don’t ask too many questions.  We can take back the wheel of the Ship of State but they’re not going to just let us!  They’ll fight and it will bet tough - the mexican citizenry seems to know that - but they’ve been lied to and manipulated by their government for a long time now - we’re just realizing it, apparently.  Hope it’s not too late - did they have Diebold machines in Mexico? Just asking.

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By Liz, August 6, 2006 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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The guy that they have in there now the one everyone hates is anti-us!!! stop this madness and demand the recount and get orbador in there!!

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By Hilding Lindquist, August 6, 2006 at 10:22 am Link to this comment
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Re: Comment #16990 by Collin on 8/06 at 4:43 am

“The Left is truely amazing.  Apparently they can only lose if something is “fixed”.  Maybe someday they’ll actually realize the Freedom is the opposite of Socialism.  (Isn’t Socialism what the Left is all about?)”

How does a discussion of possible election fraud become an indictment of Socialism? Because you (Collin) equate the Left with Socialism they shouldn’t be allowed to demand fair elections? Isn’t that all getting a wee bit convoluted?

Being of Swedish-American heritage and having traveled to Scandinavia numerous times ... I always find it amusing when someone tries to bash something they like to call “Socialism” ... whereby it quickly becomes obvious that they know very little about it.

I lived in Alaska for seven years where residents are given an annual amount of money out of the oil revenue trust fund ... based on the concept that the North Slope oil actually belongs to the State of Alaska which is the people of the State of Alaska. (I only collected it one year because I traveled out of state so much. And it is amazing how many Libertarians and Republicans support the Alaska Dividend.)

And, of course, Social Security might be called a form of “Socialism”.

But we just aren’t very good at it, as the Scandinavian countries (plus others like Switzerland) consistently rank higher in living standards than the good ol’ USA.

Like, where are we on infant mortality? Out of 226 countries as listed in The World Factbook for 2005, and provided via wikipedia.com, the USA is 184th. (226 is the best, Singapore, with the lowest number of infant deaths per thousand births at 2,29; Sweden is next at 225 with 2.77 per thousand; the USA at No. 184 has 6.5 infant deaths per thousand births—meaning there are 42 countries better than us at caring for their babies—primarily due to universal health care, also often touted as “Socialism”.)

So I would ask, what are one’s core values? And then, what system of governance with what forms of social and economic justice best provides outcomes in keeping with those core values?

Or do we really believe that if we pursue personal goals (greed?), the Invisible Hand will take care of the common good? Like in the Judaic-Christian (not Christian) belief that God rewards His followers with wealth.

References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Factbook

Note: “The World Factbook is an annual publication by the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States with basic almanac-style information about the various countries of the world.” -wikipedia.com

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By Mao Tzu, August 6, 2006 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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Actually socialism is the opposite of capitalism or at least a transition period between capitalism and communism.

If people are in power as opposed to corporations and their government pawns then their is a much better chance for freedom.

However understad that freedom is not an economic system like, capitalism, communism, socialism, fudalism and slavery.

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By Mao Tzu, August 6, 2006 at 9:29 am Link to this comment
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Just think, if the US was as democratic as Mexico, in at least holding some sort of recount before allowing bushI’s supreme court to declare his son winner, we would not be at war with a country that did nothing to us.

Israel would not be destroying Lebanon

Heroin production in Afghanistan would be about 25% what it is now.

New Orleans would not have been the disaster that it’s turned out to be.

on and on and on…

Maybe we need more Mexicans in the States to show us how it’s done!

Keep On Crossin!

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By Collin, August 6, 2006 at 4:43 am Link to this comment
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The Left is truely amazing.  Apparently they can only lose if something is “fixed”.  Maybe someday they’ll actually realize the Freedom is the opposite of Socialism.  (Isn’t Socialism what the Left is all about?)

Collin

http://www.evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com

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