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Religious Left Leader: Jesus Was Mum on Gays, Abortion

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Posted on Jul 11, 2006
Reverend Tony Campolo
From CBS

The Rev. Tony Campolo said: “We are furious that the religious right has made Jesus into a Republican. That’s idolatry.”

“Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” said a prominent religious left leader in an article about religious progressives trying to regain the political ground they lost after the MLK Jr. era. (h/t: Huff Po)

  • The mixing of religion and politics is a bad idea regardless of the ideological slant. But until Sam Harris wins that argument, we suppose we’d rather see a lefty religious movement based on eradication of poverty and a committment to world peace, rather than the conservative religious push against against gays and abortion.

  • CBS:

    At a church in Washington, hundreds of committed Christians met recently and tried to map out a strategy to get their values into the political debate.

    But these are not the conservative Christian values which have been so influential lately. This is the religious left.

    “Jesus called us to love our neighbor, love our enemy, care for the poor, care for the outcast, and that’s really the moral core of where we think the nation ought to go,” Dr. Bob Edgar, General Secretary of the National Council of Churches told CBS News correspondent Russ Mitchell.

    The National Council of Churches represents about 50 million Christians in America ? the majority of them mainline Protestants.

    “Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” Edgar said.

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    By Paul, July 14, 2006 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment
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    Jesus did not say anything about homosexuality, because of the fact that this was not a serious problem in the Jewish nation.  The mosaic law is very clear about this being a sin, and if you consider that the old testament and new testaments have both been inspired by God and are holy, therefore they are both EQUALLY inspired by God.  Jesus mentioned to the Jews that he didn’t come to abolish the law (or any of the commandments) but to fulfill the law.  Therefore Jesus himself is the perfection of the divine law.
    Some argue that whether our Human laws have abortion illegal or not doesn’t matter.  “People will still do what they want to do”, right?  45 million abortions later in the U.S. alone since Roe v Wade, and people are still repeating that same error of Cain when God asked him, “Where is your brother?”  And, he responded “Am I my brother’s keeper?”  Only as a result of activist judges in 1972 did “abortion on demand” prey on women like never before in history.  “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Freedom has its limits.  Real freedom is being free from the bondage of sin.  So freedom does not equate itself with license.  Just because you are free does not mean you have license to kill your own unborn child.  You did not bring yourself to life, therefore your life is NOT your own, and, therefore, it’s not yours to take.  So, our Human laws should not be contrary to the natural law or the divine law, because in doing so, we act contrary to Christ himself, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.  Who can forget the question of Pontius Pilate, “What is Truth”?

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    By Hondo, July 12, 2006 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment
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    To Tim Dunn: I hope I didn’t give the impression that I believed that Jesus was a Republican. Such a statement would be blasphemous! The GOP is just as corrupt and sinful as any other group of people (in some cases, more so!) but Jesus was without sin. I do believe that the principles of conservatism are more closely aligned with the teachings of the Bible than the principles of liberalism, but that certainly doesn’t make Jesus a Republican!

    To R.A. Earl: Your hate of all things Christian has blinded you to the fact that killing an innocent, unborn baby is an abomination. The taking of innocent life is wrong, and it’s a sin. The Leviticus verse you quote is an example of an Old Testament era civil law (not applicable to the 21st Century) that allowed for the taking of life that was not innocent. Jesus simplified all of the moral, civil, and ceremonial laws that had evolved by condensing them down to two basic commands—Love the Lord God with all of your heart, mind, soul and strength, and love others as much as you love yourself. Those of us who call ourselves Christians are supposed to express our love for God by following all of his moral commands (don’t kill, don’t commit adultery, etc.) and by accepting His Son, Jesus Christ, as our personal Savior. We Christians fail a thousand times a day in trying to live lives that God would be proud of, but we continue to try. Why? Because He loved us enough to sacrifice His Son on the cross for us. As a Christian, I will continually strive to hate sin, to love the sinner (as God loves sinful, old me), and to point others to Christ. I will pray for both you and me that God will draw both of us closer to Him.

    To saul2006: I truly and sincerely pray that it isn’t too late for you to give your life to God, and to accept His Son, Jesus Christ, as your personal Savior. I am praying for you as well. God bless you, sir!

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    By R. A. Earl, July 12, 2006 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment
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    Abortion… baby killing… ugly stuff.

    Far better to protect them in the womb, raise them at great expense to be good consumers, THEN ship them off to ridiculous wars to be slaughtered.

    You narrow-minded, short-sighted, bigoted fundies are absolutely beyond comprehension.

    Hondo: ““Thou shalt not kill” means that murdering unborn babies is a sin.”

    But Hondo, your favorite author, Leviticus, advises “For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death” 20:9. So this means, clearly, that KILLING (stoning is the favorite method, it seems) is quite OK in many situations (the list is long).

    Using bible verses to support arguments is so lame-brained it isn’t worth even commenting on. However, since so many still believe that garbage and actually, in spite of all logic and reason to the contrary, lead their lives by it, it’s worth pointing out such nonsense whenever it appears.

    Who the hell is Leviticus to tell me how to live my life in 2006? What BS.

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    By R. A. Earl, July 12, 2006 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment
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    Here it is again… homosexuality is “unnatural sexual behavior.”

    Marina… WHO APPOINTED YOU TO DETERMINE, FOR EVERYONE ELSE, WHAT IS “NATURAL SEXUAL BEHAVIOR?”

    Sure, the MAJORITY practise heterosexuality (most of the time) but, for a MINORITY of people, cats, dogs and elephants for all I know, SAME SEX BEHAVIOR IS NORMAL.

    I’ll say it again… for YOU, gay sex may be UNNATURAL… but it isn’t for MILLIONS of people… and YOU have NO RIGHT to determine for others what is unnatural!

    And presuming to “know” what Christ’s views might be on this topic is pure arrogance on your part. You DO NOT and CANNOT know these things so for Christ’s sake quit beaking off about something about which YOU KNOW NOTHING!

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    By saul2006, July 12, 2006 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment
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    Hondo

    Like quoting the OT when it suits him, does he also refrain from eating pork, shellfish, does he seprate himself during his wife’s period, does he check his clothing for the mixture of forbidden things and the lot?
    Has he read Deuteronomy 24:16 that says a child shall not die for the sins of the father and then read that the God of the Bible caused the death of David’s son for just that reason proving HIS God is an ignorant baby killing liar.
    Is he aware that the only reason people were looking for a Messiah was because of OT prophicies which never said a thing about releasing people from the curse of original sin, in fact the following may help the misinformed like Honda

    Romans 11:26

    And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The deliverer will come from Zion;he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. (Israel-Not World)
    27 And this is my covenant with them
    when I take away their sins.”[ The sins of Israel- not one word about Original Sin which is something Christian clergy dreamed up)

    The purpose was to return Israel to it’s former glory and the Earth to a Heaven like or Eden like place.
    Jews although as screwed up as any, didn’t have a problem with Original sin.


    If anyone is offended by this please take the offer to shut down at http://www.religionquestioned.com which is based on the misinformation taught Honda by the lying clergy about what is really in the OT Messiah message

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    By Tim Dunn, July 11, 2006 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment
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    Jesus as a Republican?  They’d never have let Him into the country club, with His long hair and anti-establishment ideas.

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    By Hondo, July 11, 2006 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment
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    According to the Gospels, Jesus was God in human flesh, here on earth to save us from eternal death. The commands of God and the teachings of Jesus are one and the same, so it goes against the teachings of the Bible to say that Jesus never talked about sexual sin or about murder (let’s use the real words for homosexuality and abortion). Dr. Bob Edgar is guilty of changing God’s perfect Holy Word to fit his own imperfect, human belief system. The Bible couldn’t be more clear. “Thou shalt not kill” means that murdering unborn babies is a sin. Read Leviticus 18:6-18 (incest), Romans 1:26-27 and Leviticus 18:22 (homosexuality), the 7th Commandment, or any of the many Proverbs concerning adultery. Any kind of sexual activity, other than between a husband and wife, is a sin. No amount of liberal obfuscating can change those very plain Biblical truths.

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    By Paul, July 11, 2006 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment
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    There is sufficient support in scripture to justify the harassment and discrimination of gays.  Any Christian sect purporting to act in an ethical manner rather than upholding Abrahamic absolutism should lose their charitable status immediately.

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    By Patrick, July 11, 2006 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment
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    We cannot have world peace, if that is the impossible goal you strive for, without acceptance of all people and no forms or prejudice. Homophobic feelings and the limitations being set on gay people are no better then racist feelings and the limitations once set on people of color.

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    By yours truly, July 11, 2006 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment
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    Wow, a Jesus mind-reader and two millenia post-humously.  That’s some trick.  Just give up on our rational, scientific and humanitarian principles, that’s all it’ll take, eh what?  Wait a second, how about you giving up on those holy writings from somewhere in antiquity?  What the heck, they’re mostly of dubious authenticity anyway.  We can make a deal.  You forsake those and we’ll surrender our principles, and then we sit down and work things out.  We could start by agreeing upon a few basics, such as the pursuit of happiness plus liberty, justice and equality for all, and then build upon that?  What d’ ya say?

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    By Marina, July 11, 2006 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment
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    First of all, anyone who thinks that everything Jesus the Christ did and said is in the bible is ignorant or lying to themselves. Jesus did not say anything about many topics. This does not mean that He approved of everything He did not speak of!

    Secondly, and more importantly, the Democratic Party and TV programs like Democracy Now! would help the innocents of war and would stop injustice much faster if they stopped focusing on gays and abortion. They would win over many more Republicans and middle ground people if they would just stop bringing up those issues and focus solely on what is destroying world peace, who and what are taking our country away from us, and on the danger of the Bush Administration’s plans to attack Iran and take over the Middle East. 

    Gays will continue to have sexual relations whether they are married or not. Women will continue to abort whether there are laws against it or not. Democrats must stop their obsession with these two issues or risk losing the election once again in 2008 and they will risk losing the chance to have a democratic controlled Congress this year.

    In conclusion, Jesus spoke of life and the laws of living in harmony with nature and purity. Anyone who knows Christ knows that this means His very life was contrary to killing the unborn and against unnatural sexual behavior.

    That is all I have to say.

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