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Cheney Reportedly Pushed NSA to Spy Domestically

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Posted on May 13, 2006

In the wake of Sept. 11, the vice president argued that the NSA should intercept purely domestic calls and e-mails without warrants, reports the N.Y. Times.

The NSA ultimately decided against the idea, but this report leaves no doubt about Cheney’s regard for civil liberties.

N.Y. Times:

WASHINGTON, May 13 — In the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, Vice President Dick Cheney and his top legal adviser argued that the National Security Agency should intercept purely domestic telephone calls and e-mail messages without warrants in the hunt for terrorists, according to two senior intelligence officials.

But N.S.A. lawyers, trained in the agency’s strict rules against domestic spying and reluctant to approve any eavesdropping without warrants, insisted that it should be limited to communications into and out of the country, said the officials, who were granted anonymity to discuss the debate inside the Bush administration late in 2001.

The N.S.A.’s position ultimately prevailed. But just how Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the director of the agency at the time, designed the program, persuaded wary N.S.A. officers to accept it and sold the White House on its limits is not yet fully clear.

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By jc, May 15, 2006 at 11:09 pm #
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An over used cliche - those who dont read history are doomed to repeat it!

Shades of the 1920s and 1930s are upon us! One was communist Russia and indirectly China, the other Facist Germany.

Read carefully folks - what led to these 2(3) great civilizations to commit such gargantuan attrocities of the 20th century are/is what is happening in America today. Fear, exponded daily and incessantly on a daily basis, is driving Americans to slowly and mothodically relinguist any and whatever ights they have to a totalitarian state in order to be safe. This is what happened in Russia, China, and Germany. And millions upon millions paid the price. They were safe alright - from the othside but certainly not from the inside!

This NSA thing is just the tip of the iceburg - assuming I can even use that analogy! An iceburg may not be big enough!

We are in a crisis in America today. A very deep crisis! This goes deeper than a few crackpot wantabe dictators and thought police. This is a sign of a deep social malaise where the populace see their society as corrupt, sick, defunct, and any other negative you can think of. They feel powerless to do anything. Everything is overly complicated. Their lives are in ruins.

They seek a savior who will fix all these problems and simplify all this chaos - indeed bring them all back to that idealic time of the past when all these problems and ills of society were unheard of. So they are ripe for the plucking. Promise them this return to that idealic past and they will give up all and any rights they may have.

This is not nonsense. This is real and it happening today as we speak! US citizens just do not care about their rights, their country or their constitutional rights. They have become totally complacent and spineless. They are toting the line and whatever can be done to right the wrongs and get this country back on track is legitimate. If the constiution has to go and a totalatarian state created - or even better, a theocracy - to keep the terroists out and right all the wrongs and ills of socirty, so much for the constitution and our rights!

Its frightening but real! I just read where Bellsouth, who has 26 million land lines, only received 26 calls complaining about the NSA call records being release! 26! Out of 26 million!!!

You would think there would be rioting in the streets! But alas not so. They just dont care. Hell, I’m not a terroist - so what if the a super secret agency wants to see who i called or who called me - i have nothing to hide! Indeed you do not. But - the question to ask is - why? I’m not a terrorist. Why would they WANT to even know that. But never mind - too difficult to contemplate. If the government says its keeping me safe and terroists out so be it. But just hope that a real terroist does not dial YOUR telephone number by mistake! And oh, by the way, there are lots af false positives - like if the aliorhythm being used hiccups and targets you as a terroist - you will spend the rest of your life in a place where the world does not even know you exist!

Interesting to note that facist Germany did amass a hugh database on its citizens in the 1930s. Can anyone guess what it was eventually used for? I’d be surprised if 5 percent of our populace could answer that question. And oh, by the way, Germany was a Democratic society with a constitution and rights before they relinguished it all to their savior Hitler. At least anyone over 50 knows what happened after that, or do they?

Those who dont read history are doomed to repeat it. And America is not immune from this tired and now seemingly true cliche!

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By Skews Me, May 14, 2006 at 8:30 am #
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Making records of phone or email contacts in order to track down terrorists is a righteous goal if that were all it is, but I beleive there is deeper problem.

While there is apprehension regarding the government having access to our personal communications, we should already have taken notice that our email is routinely read by spam filters before they arrive to our mailbox. What algorithms these programs use are far from failsafe: I’ve had important email become buried in my spam box and hardly a day goes by that I don’t see in my inbox a “PayPal” claim that something is wrong with my account.

Some email providers have even begun to contemplate charging money to guaranttee that senders’ letters don’t get sorted to a spam folder. While this could in theory reduce the sheer amount of spam on the Internet, it also effectively limits legitimate email from individuals who post to several news groups but can’t afford the fees.

Now there is apparently yet another problem. Members of my news groups have started noticing that their email service, or some other source, is deleting their communications. For example, they may send a letter critical of the Bush administration, and while their email program reports the letter has been sent, no one receives it and a copy doesn’t even get saved in their sent mail folder. The letter effectively vanishes which makes me think, “Did the NSA grab a copy first?”

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By Alarmed, May 14, 2006 at 6:41 am #
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I am so scared.  What is going on in this country???

Are we behind the Iron Curtain? This morning (Sunday) on the news there is total damage control going on, Laura Bush on one, Cheyne’s daughter on the other. 

What is the 63% agreeing with the spying???! 

Show me the 63%!!! 

What happened to the law? What happened to liberty and justice?  There is a reason we have the laws we have, it is because of it’s abuse in the past. Have we not learned anything? How can we sleep at night and 63% of us actually say we are OK with it?

Sorry, normally don’t post ramblings like this I am just way too upset.

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