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Are you a Christian who doesn’t feel represented by the religious right? I know the feeling. When the discourse about faith is dominated by political fundamentalists and social conservatives, many others begin to feel as if their religion has been taken away from them.
The number of Christians misrepresented by the Christian right is many. There are evangelical Protestants who believe strongly that Christianity should not get too close to the corrupting allure of government power. There are lay Catholics who, while personally devout, are socially liberal on issues like contraception, gay rights, women’s equality and a multi-faith society. There are very orthodox believers who nonetheless respect the freedom and conscience of others as part of their core understanding of what being a Christian is. They have no problem living next to an atheist or a gay couple or a single mother or people whose views on the meaning of life are utterly alien to them--and respecting their neighbors’ choices. That doesn’t threaten their faith. Sometimes the contrast helps them understand their own faith better.
And there are those who simply believe that, by definition, God is unknowable to our limited, fallible human minds and souls. If God is ultimately unknowable, then how can we be so certain of what God’s real position is on, say, the fate of Terri Schiavo? Or the morality of contraception? Or the role of women? Or the love of a gay couple? Also, faith for many of us is interwoven with doubt, a doubt that can strengthen faith and give it perspective and shadow. That doubt means having great humility in the face of God and an enormous reluctance to impose one’s beliefs, through civil law, on anyone else.
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By marcus, May 10, 2006 at 12:02 pm #
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I remember mr. sullivan from all the news show i watched to affirm that a coup had truly taken place in america. I found it hypocritical (like jews assisting nazis to capture other jews), for a homosexual to support a party that frowns on his lifestyle. He did this with so much verve and gusto to put down “liberals” and others who practiced a bit of tolerance for differences. Like previous posts, sullivan knew what he was doing and deserves all that he gets from the vengeful republicans for being a traitor.
Report thisBy Ga, May 9, 2006 at 1:25 pm #
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And he’s just figuring this out NOW?
You know, perhaps that’s the thing about “Christians”—they are extremely closed minded and are not the kind of people to broaden their intellect.
I mean, say one dis-believes in evolution. Well, I read a lot—biology, botany, culture, history, etc.—and evolution and its ramifications and implications generally comes up is all those areas of knowledge and more. Ideas evolve and cultures evolve, much like organisms evolve, etc.
So, what then, would a creationist think, coming across a mention of the concept “evolve” when reading about culture or history, etc? Suddenly declare, “This can’t be true!” and discard the book? What about reading that something occured more than 4200 years ago? (Or whenever it was calculated that God created the world.) Same thing?
To be a Christian, then—as in all those who believe in the absolute certainty of biblical reasoning as espoused by Christian leaders—is to be ignorant.
Imagine that.... Purposfully ignorant of history, science, culture and oh so many things.... Hatred an intolerance of oh so many other thoughts, ideas and points of view....
Considering that there are oh so many “Christians” in America it is actually no wonder why this country is so screwed up. Because “Christians” generally are people who have an absolute belief in what they are told by their leaders in the church (and their government when Christian Conservatives are in power) and do not think for themselves!
And so, Andrew Sullivan, it appears, is someone who has started to think for himself. Well, its a start.
Report thisBy R. A. Earl, May 9, 2006 at 12:18 pm #
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Candide, in @8887, wrote: “Forget this unreal difference between Christians and Christianists. Christianity is a serious mental disorder.”
Perhaps she meant that Christianity is one of the many fairy tales concocted over the ages to calm fears and control the masses, and that it is those who actually BELIEVE that a Supernatural God as described in the Bible even exists who suffer from a serious mental disorder.
As Sullivan wrote: “… God is unknowable...”. I’m always puzzled why any more needs to be said or more time and effort invested in the issue. Chewing on issues that are not knowable seems like a “serious mental disorder” to me.
Report thisBy Mike, May 9, 2006 at 8:49 am #
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Sullivan has only himself and others like him to blame. He and his conservative pals have done everything in their power to increase the power of the Republican Party, knowing full well that the Republican base has for years consisted of the “Christianists” he now apparently finds alarming. What utter B.S. The torches and pitchforks have been out for some time, but Sullivan—his head in the sand until lately—seems just to have caught on. Better run faster. You’re one of those they can’t wait to burn at the stake.
Report thisBy PamAlonia McCrary, May 9, 2006 at 8:20 am #
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Pledge Your Allegiance to Freedom
I am a simple person. I dont like complications, encumbrances, entanglements. Freedom is my most important value.
Freedom does not come without courage. I consider myself a person of courage. I have many experiences that inform this opinion of myself.
It is because I am a person of courage that I am not a Christian. I am not a Christian because I refuse, on ethical principle, to worship a God who tells me that if I dont worship him he will destroy me.
Courage does not mean anything if it isnt informed by integrity. It is my integrity that demands I not worship a God who will kill me if I dont do what he demands. I cannot kiss the ass of an asshole god. Id rather die first. Id rather be tortured to death first. That, in short, is why I am not a Christian. I cannot bow to a bully. It goes against the grain of my character.
Unlike Christians who choose to go along with the tyrant to save their own skin, and then call themselves saved, oh sure, saved, but at what cost to their soul, I will spit in their gods face and go out, in my estimation, a hero. I can do no less. My integrity, my courage, my love of freedom will not allow me to cower before such immorality.
For every person who reads this and feels as I do, Im asking that you sign your name in the comments section as a testament to your integrity. I am asking that you ask your friends to come and sign the comments section. Come out and take a stand against tyranny. Let your name be in this book. Let it go out around the world. This is your opportunity to pledge your allegiance to freedom.
http://www.godisajoke.com
http://www.godisajoke.com/2006/05/08/churchstate/pledg e-your-allegiance-to-freedom/
Report thisBy David, May 9, 2006 at 7:20 am #
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But Andrew, my God tells me that you’re a disgusting little faggot who should be stoned to death for sodomy. I cannot disobey God, can I? The President cannot disobey God when God tells him to destroy Iran with nookulur weapons, can he? God’s will be done, Andrew. It’s not my decision after all, it’s God’s.
Report thisBy candide, May 9, 2006 at 2:44 am #
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Forget this unreal difference between Christians and Christianists. Christianity is a serious mental disorder.
Report thisBy Paul Murray, May 8, 2006 at 9:58 pm #
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The bible warns us of three great enemies of the faith: The World, The Flesh, and The Devil. Christendom in the US seems to have been completely defeated (co-opted, annexed) by The World: money, politics, influence, partisanship.
The Jehovah’s Withnesses, whatever else they may be wrong about, are right to refuse to salute the flag.
Report thisBy JP, May 8, 2006 at 7:29 pm #
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Well worth a read.
Report thisBy R. A. Earl, May 8, 2006 at 6:44 pm #
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Let it also be known also that there are many non-believers who have an “enormous reluctance to impose ones beliefs, through civil law, on anyone else.”
We each get to choose our beliefs (just following along believing what you’re told to believe by family, friends, church, etc. is also a CHOICE).
But NONE OF US has any more legitimate “insight” into the nature of God (if any) than anyone else. Therefore NONE OF US has a right to even SUGGEST what someone else “should” believe. It’s simply none of our business.
BUT… as soon as any one, or any group even hints at imposing THEIR views on anyone else, it then BECOMES MY BUSINESS. And I will fight tooth and nail to negate proselytism wherever I find it.
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