I agree with you Earl. The people you see in the riots, smashing and destroying the properties are the people who are jobless. They are the people who are playing in the hands of politicians, who black male them in the name of, jobs, bright future for them and their children, pure and clean environment, better education, justice and many more. You know, those politicians are very clever. They know if they provide all these things to the common then no one will be begging and saluting them bowing and kissing their feet. If the son or daughter of the poor families gets good education and justice then who will come to them for mercy. To them, power and money is much more important then the honour, dignity and respect of the country. And what would you say to those people who are slaves from generation to generation to their own land lords and politicians. These poor people have no self respect or honour, all they want is bright and prospers future for them and for their children but I know they will not get it until unless there is a revolution as we had in France and USA. And you know who are these landlords, they are the people who were rewarded by the British Raj for killing and suppressing their own people, they have been taught how to rule’ divide the people and rule them’.

If you say that, all these thing have to do anything with the religion then I am sorry it is not. Islam doesn’t allow or permit anybody to do anything like that. It is as simple as if some one does a crime will that be taken as the law of that country allowed him to do it, no.

Unfortunately all the wars are being fought in the Islamic countries just as we had world war1 and world war 11 in the Europe and it will be like this in the future. We all will see more riots and killings in the Islamic countries for the sake of freedom and top most democracy, thats how it is. But you know who are behind these atrocities, people how are money and power hungry.

Above all the super powers have their own interests, they have to sell and test their weapons and where else they will find the best test ground other then the third world countries after all they have to make some money. Our politicians and landlords are ready as always to help their master.

I agree, Saeed, “it’s all about money and power.”

I also agree that those who gain “money and power” by instigating, fostering, promoting, supporting, participating in war and war-making machinery, will not EVER willingly give up either that “money” or “power.”

Somehow, religions have become embroiled in the “money and power” game… BIG TIME. And, from my viewpoint, some members of some religions are MUCH more likely to “war” about issues than are others. Almost every night on TV I witness coverage of riots and killings involving Moslems… not Christians or Buddhists or any other religion or sect… just Moslems. (I’ve often wondered if anyone is actually WORKING in these countries… the streets are FULL of MEN doing nothing but destroying property and each other. Don’t they ever get tired of such emotionally immature behavior?)

I’m sure every one of them thinks and feels justified in taking such action for one reason or another. I’m sure they’re not all crazy… but I’m equally sure many are MADE crazy by their religion and politics.

Anyway, I get NOTHING out of using my time on earth fighting battles I can’t win… or even influence. There’s nothing I can do or say that will convince any of the warring parties to put down their swords and start using their brains.

So I opt out. Some will roundly criticize me for making this choice. I don’t care. It’s my life and my time, and until someone points a gun at my head, I’ll live it the way I choose to. If they pull the trigger on that gun to my head, I’ll be the LAST person to give a damn. I’d far rather be dead than to have to participate in such insanity as I witness on TV coming from Iraq and Afghanistan and a dozen other places. It’s all so stupid and useless.

Thanks for the correction, it is my mistake I wrote Albert instead off Earl,5903. So how will you take the profit out of war any good suggestion? Will those people who are making money and power out of innocent people’s blood, let you to do that, I am sorry to say, they will not. In their eyes, humanity means nothing otherwise they would have learned the lesson after the two world wars. The only way to end this bloodshed is if humans can understand that, this life has no meanings, every living thing has an end and when we all have to die then what is the point fighting each other for the worldly things. Sorry to say humans will not understand this and will keep on fighting as they did in the past and are doing right now. You will see many wars in the near future, this is not going to end that easy. Don’t just have debates or protests on different issues, do something good, understand, love and respect each other and disconnect you ties with those who are war mongers even if it is in the name of religion or democracy. It is all about money and power.

I don’t know who “Albert” is, Saeed, but you quoted my posting so I’ll add this addendum.

I didn’t mention any religion. I tried to make the point that it is HUMAN FAILING that is the root cause of the world-wide, ongoing strife we witness daily.

You wrote: “Lets have peace in the name of peace before it turns to peace in the name of hundreds of thousands of dead bodies.”

It is this kind of addle-minded nonsense that gets us nowhere. To have peace, you need ALL the people, on ALL sides of issues, to WANT PEACE.  WAR brings HUGE PROFITS to those who “pull the strings” on this planet. Until the profit is taken out of “war” we will NEVER HAVE PEACE.

To 5873, Mr Albert, for your info I was not talking about the thousand years old history as you have mentioned’ It’s mind-boggling to realize that, as a species, judging by behaviour, mankind seems no more enlightened or sophisticated or intelligent today than before recorded history began thousands of years ago. We haven’t learned a thing about living and let live, etc’.
I am talking about very recent brutal acts, like Bosnian Muslims, like in Iraq and will be in Iran soon.
What was the mistake of Bosnian Muslims, were they fighting with Christians? no my dear no, they were punished because they were Muslims. How many females from the age of 8,9 years to 50,60 years were gang raped by the Christian soldiers and were killed. same thing they did in Iraq and will do in Iran as well but for you and people like you it will by the an event of thousands of years ago. 
Lets have peace in the name of peace before it turns to peace in the name of hundreds of thousands of dead bodies.

My comment were in reply of 5804 as Donna said’ they are the ones who are following the laws of their holy books most closely’ for your info our holy book doesn’t say anything like that. It is in their own culture, the holy book says, people who leave Islam they will be answerable to Allah not to any person. As the book says’ There is no compulsion in religion’. Now to 5873,Albert,As far the unity among the different religion is, Islam has always put emphasis on that. Muslim had peace treaties with all the other religions and were living very happy life with each other. Muslim’s rule on Spain for 800 years is the best example. I will be among the first ones who will welcome and put efforts to any kind of peace and harmony among all the religions, but you should not blame Muslims for every thing. I know there are some people who are trying to achieve their agenda in the name of Islam and don’t forget same people like them are in other religions as well who have their own goals to achieve.

I’m really wierd.

I think it’s fall-down-on-the-floor funny to read comments such as those offered by Saeed #5817.

Oh, it’s not that I don’t think he’s at least partly correct… it’s just that he could be the poster boy to illustrate exactly why we humans will NEVER resolve our religious/philosophical differences in the foreseeable future.

With attitudes and views such as those held by Saeed ..."whom should we hate most, that minority or you majority? How can even begin to find solutions when we’re focussed on, and struggling with, deciding who’s at fault or who to hate most?

It’s mind-boggling to realize that, as a species, judging by behavior, mankind seems no more enlightened or sophisticated or intelligent today than before recorded history began thousands of years ago. We haven’t learned a thing about living and let live, etc.

“Man is absurd.” (Albert Camus)

Pity on all of you who are condemning Allah for this un-Islamic act. And pity on you who see it as un-human and barbarian act which makes you sick of killing an innocent man but you all are agree and determine to kill, rape and torture the innocent men, women and children in the name of so called democracy, what a double standard. Those people who are killing that man are in minority but you people who have killed and are killing, raping and torturing hundreds of innocent people are in majority, so, whom should we hate most, that minority or you majority?

Oh well chalk this up as another victory for US foreign policy - US brought democracy to Afghanistan, remember?  Like Iraq is being democratised.  And Vietnam was.

These nutcases may be a minority but they are in no way a “fringe"… they are the ones who are following the laws of their holy books most closely. They are the best followers of their religions. Moderates are moderate simply because they ignore much of what is taught in the Bible or the Koran.

As long as these religions exist and as long as these holy books are revered and as long as we think we have to respect what people believe simply because they beleive it, we will be empowering violent extremists.

Touche. Abdul Raoulf has no tolerence for for Christianity or Pat Robertsons or radio hosts in Armageddon America.

This guy converted 16 years back. Why try to kill him now?
Possible reasons:
Afghans are not very sophisticated people - uneducated with very medieval tribal customs.
Fact is Hundreds of Afghan Muslims have also been killed or maimed by the same people.
Christian evangelists ( disguised as Peace workers and Aid workers ) are descending enmass in areas where US has totally demolished the government infrastructure and civilian institutions. They even have US military escort and protection.
As the Pentagon was training forces for Iraq invasion, the church was training Missionaries in art of covert infiltration and dollar based preaching. Such coordination can’t be accidental.
People are in dire need in Afghanistan and Iraq.
There is hunger, disease, cold, bombs, snipers, bandits, Taliban resistance, rival tribes.. It is US responsibility (as an occupying power) to provide for these things in Iraq as well as Afghanistan. we by our embargos and direct bombing have destroyed their lives and occupied their countries.
Instead, only help that comes to these desperate people is in form of well financed well equipped US Christian evangelist machine that gives bread with one hand and offers bible with other. It is preaching to a captive audience. Imagine getting your meals delivered by Jehovah’s Witness’ every day.
Catholic missionaries operate in all counties, they are not resented any where because they do not act in this manner. US missionaries are War/Famine chasers (like Ambulance chaser Lawyers) and opportunists.

That’s why I think there is resentment against them and any one who associates with them. But, I may be wrong.
Muslim charities have been systematically dismantled in US by the evangelists in the administration. So they are also in no position to do much.

It’s time to solve a problem. Arabs think electrocution and gassing are hideous forms of capital punishment. Americans think decapitation is a hideous form of capital punishment. The time has come to call a conference of Representatives from all countries who practice capital punishment.  They will be expected to come up with, in two weeks, one form of capital punishment, agreed upon by all and signed into international law at The Hague. This is the only humane way to stop the polemics around how to humanely kill people.

The sad thing here that most people are missing the point that these “fanatics” of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism do not, in fact, represent the majority of the people who practice these religions world wide. They are the extremist, the lunatic fringe of each religion.  Religion in of itself is not an evil, as many will say when relaying these horror stories.  It is the people who wield the powers of authority within those communities that shape the practices of these religions, no matter how far off track they may be in regards to the actual teachings of their faith.  The problem that arises is multifold: in many of the multitude of sects within these religions, questioning authority is discouraged and even at times outlawed.  With that in mind, fanatics who gain power both in the religious arena and the secular one, are able to enforce their fanaticism via their unquestionable positions of authority.  I think this is best illustrated by the fact that the millions of people who do not agree with their fanatic leaders will not, or refuse to, stand up and publicly say so.  The majority’s silence gives these fanatics implied credibility and acceptance as the public representatives of the majority when in fact they do not represent how the majority practices their religion. This gives these fanatics the time and money to seize control of the ruling hierarchy of both their religious arena and their political one.  Islam is in no way unique.  What makes them stand out to us in the west is the fact that they do not believe in the secular realm.  Their faith declares that there is only a sacred realm here on earth and that they must act accordingly.  This gives them the power and ability to rule nations outright and unquestioned, unlike the West where there is at present a secular buffer.  One that is eroding right beneath our noses. I find no difference between the radical Muslims and the radical Christians of our country. The silence of their religious communities is what gives them their power, not simply the warping of their religious doctrine. Religion per say is not the culprit, it is how we choose to practice these faiths and wether or not we are willing to give up our personal responsibility, freedom of choice, and power to others who claim to be our leaders within our religious communities. It may be easier to let go and let someone else take on all the responsibility for making the decisions for us and telling us what to do rather than making them for ourselves, but it keeps us in a perpetual state of childhood (in my opinion), where the parents/leaders make all the important decisions, rules and regs.  The multitudes simply follow like children, like sheep if you will.  As a species, we need to fully enter adulthood with regards to power, faith and institutions if we ever hope to leave such horros behind us.

I can’t believe I agree with this nutball, but these are confusing times.  I am not religious at all and when I see all the strife created via conflicting religious beliefs, I can’t help but think if we wouldn’t all be better off if religion was outlawed. I especially agree with the “specific brand of crazy” quote,

And I’m also tired of atheists and agnostics being blamed for the worlds ills.  We are usually the most level headed, considerate beings when it comes to moral issues. A recent study confirmed this, showing a majority of christians who advocated torturing prisoners, while the majority of those identifying as “secular” did not agree that it was acceptable.

I find these comments interesting in that there is no mention of the christian zealotry that exists in our country.  Is there a real difference between christians who shoot doctors who provide abortions, who attempt to force their christian beliefs on our children in our public schools (creationism), and have no tolerance themselves for the rights of others to believe what they want?  Yes, these religious zealots in Afghanistan are crazy and dangerous, but are fanatical christians so much different?  Frankly, I’m tired of religion.  I wish religious fanatics of all persuasions would just go to the church of their choice and keep their big mouths shut.