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Top General Contradicts Bush’s Iran Bombs Claim

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Posted on Mar 15, 2006
Gen. Peter Pace
From Helene C. Stikkel / U.S. DoD

Gen. Peter Pace, now chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, responds to a reporter’s question during a Pentagon press briefing on Feb. 3, 2005.

Remember how Bush claimed on Monday that Iran was providing many of the roadside bombs killing U.S. troops in Iraq? Well, the U.S.’ top military commander just told the Pentagon that there is no proof for such a claim.

Usually it’s someone opposed to Bush’s policies who makes him look so foolish—not the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Truthdig’s Juan Cole was all over this apparently bogus claim yesterday.


Reuters:

The top U.S. military officer said on Tuesday the United States does not have proof that Iran’s government is responsible for Iranians smuggling weapons and military personnel into Iraq.

President George W. Bush said on Monday components from Iran were being used in powerful roadside bombs used in Iraq, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said last week that Iranian Revolutionary Guard personnel had been inside Iraq.

Asked whether the United States has proof that Iran’s government was behind these developments, Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Pentagon briefing, “I do not, sir.”

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By sid, March 18, 2006 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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nixon went to china, maybe the two most conservative governments on the planet can find a common ground

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By MartinM, March 17, 2006 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment
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Liontooth, I’m sure going to believe the British over Iraq and Iran.

Remember their allegations before Iraq that Saddam had sought Uranium from Niger. 

and that Iraq had an ability to launch an attack with WMDs within 45 minutes.

The UK apparently has as many big liars as the US does.

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By Neal, March 17, 2006 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment
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Bush is a stinking piece of crap…  He can choke on my pretzel.

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By Stinji, March 17, 2006 at 11:50 am Link to this comment
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Jac, our government is so oppressive that the massive street demonstrations that do take place (and they really do)are completely controlled by the police from the planning stages through execution. Corralling marchers, blocking access to public spaces, preemptive arrests all take place during the event, long after organizational groups have already been infiltrated by undercover law enforcement. Of course, what’s left of the press is almost entirely in the pocket of the men of power, and demonstrations that would have been front page news thirty years ago are lucky to make page three. Sound like the rantings of a paranoid liberal? Look up the NYPD’s recent assessment of its actions during the protests there in 2002. Here’s the NY Times coverage: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/nyregion/17police.html?hp&ex=1142571600&en=c95cc57c363de57c&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Some of us are trying. You have to understand the size and power of the machine we’re up against.

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By jac, March 17, 2006 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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Question from overseas: Why are you all so smart, so brassy on blogs and not a single rally, no street presence, no loud noises in the real air?
From over here it looks like all is quiet on the front.
I think everyone who writes in blogs like these is a leftist at the desk and a lazy American at heart.
When is the wake-up call to get people on the street? The new debt ceiling? Iran? Spying? Ho-hum.
Well, just blog on and sleep deep. Your kids will be on the streets for you – but not protesting. Begging.

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By David, March 17, 2006 at 8:57 am Link to this comment
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We are simply bluffing.  We would go right to hell and lose any kind of power superiority that we might have if we actually mess with Iran.  This ain’t no Iraq (I think our president would probably understand this kind of language).  Our magnificent dollar will become worthless soon with our massive national debt of nine trillion dollars and our totally dependent economy.  I’m not sure if we are sane enough to realize our problems, wake up and smell the roses or coffee or whatever it is we should smell!

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By liontooth, March 17, 2006 at 1:31 am Link to this comment
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“Asked whether the United States has proof that Iran’s government was behind these developments, Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace,...”

The British were the ones that made this allegation against Iran almost 6 months ago. So the United States wouldn’t have any proof.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4312516.stm

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By tharpa, March 16, 2006 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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Nico et alia:

after reading the various posts the thought occurred to me, not for the first time that what’s going on is somewhat simple:

The function of the USG, to put it somewhat cynically, is to collect and redistribute taxpayer funds. Congress has ultimate authority on all spending, but the President runs the executive administration of the bodies and programs therein authorised by Congress.

The Executive can also use tax funds in military and other foreign-based operations, which although also controlled by Congress, are subject to far less stringent and immediate review, since all these things take place elsewhere, or within the quasi foreign country of the military communities. Not to mention the State and Intelligence areas, many of which, like the military, are set up in an endless maze of mutually hidden compartments, departments, divisions, layers, levels and so on.

So the easiest way for an Administration to exert its power to distribute funds is to put them more and more into the military-industrial complex, especially the military side of that. IN this way, politicians in lead positions and administrations weild more power and influence - which is really what they are working for - and thus rank and status. Working on domestic programs and issues is far more obstructed, challenging and difficult because it is an endless maze of conflicts between local, regional and federal interests speaking vertically, not to mention competing states and regions and various bureaucracies and industries horizontally. Ghastly!

Much better to start a war, because that way the funds keep flowing somewhere and that flow is controlled by the government. Once the go-ahead for war has been given, Congress has little part to play and if they become too difficult the administration hits the airwaves and accuses congressional delegates and senators of treason essentially. Same for intelligence and media employees who go against the party line.

If you didn’t read Ike’s famous speech warning about what in his notes he first called ‘the military-industrial-congressional’ complex being the greatest danger to the US, you should. It’s a fantastic speech. It also shows just how far to the right is the current Republican ethos and rhetoric. Compared to them, Eisenhower (a Republican military general), is way left, and even quite a bit further left than most mainstream Democratic Party officials.

Speaking as a Canadian who has lived often in the US, I feel for you guys down there. Not having your best period and looks like it could get a lot worse (and if so for all of us) before it gets better. And I also think your political-congressional-industrial complex of corruption is why things are getting so dangerous and if it were not for this corruption the world could be entering a quite positive phase. Unfortunately, World War III is currently in its initial skirmishing phase. Probably will build up and come to climax in the next 3-5 years. At which point the international order and global economy as we have known it since WWII will be over.

Well, I hope I’m wrong, but that’s what America’s behaviour of late make me start imagining, me and many of my neighbours here in rural NE Canada….

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By Nico, March 16, 2006 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment
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Man, this is a lot of contradiction by US government. First, when they got in to Afghanistan running after Osama, they decleared how pleased they were that Iranians helped the coalition forces with their links and intel to Northern Alliance troops of Afghanistan, then after the job was done, they decleared Iran as part of “Axis of Evil” and denied any help coming from them !! even though Iranians were among the first to respond with grief and any help right afer september 11 !!!
Now, it seems that Iran is back in the game!! Iran doesn’t even have sufficient enough passenger airplanes to move its people from one side of the country to the other, leave alone soffisticated weapone and intel system to blow up Bradlys, come on, u want their oil in caspian and Persian Gulf just say it!!

This hast to be stoped!! we are a country were over 2 million Iranians reside and leave and have contribute in all fields specially science with a great value and appreciation, in terms of $$$ and importants, on average there are 15 Iranian professors working and teaching in our top Universities, most are married to American or Vice versa and myself. California(specially L.A) is their base, Can’t we just get along and leave the past behind and treat them the same as we do with the Jews??????? after all they could bring us more $$$$$ then any other nation!

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By CYRUS THE GREAT, March 16, 2006 at 11:12 am Link to this comment
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Once upon a time a not so wise man said ” bring it on” to iraqi gurilla fighters and I would say try this with Iran and you’ll regret it for the rest of your life mistar buuush,  just DON’T MESS WITH IRANIAN POEPLE !!

Unless you want to add another $10 trailion debt on american people .

Iranian poeple hate their government but they HATE invadors even more just ask saddam .

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By realitycheck, March 16, 2006 at 11:11 am Link to this comment
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Let’s say that there IS evidence that some components came from Iran. So? As someone already commented, that doesn’t mean the Iranian government had any involvement. Or maybe the Iranian government is complicit because they aren’t stopping it.

Well if that’s the test, the US should invade itself. Remember the planes that were used in the Sept 11th attacks were from the US, the hijackers were in the US long before the attacks and the US government didn’t stop it from happening. What about it W?

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By karl, March 16, 2006 at 10:15 am Link to this comment
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when the US gave the material and the know how of bio wapons to saddam to use on iranian soldier did they end up at the UN security consol?
No they ended up in Iraq giving no bid contracts to halliburton and as a lot of people can see the same is going on with iran

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By truthserum17, March 16, 2006 at 1:54 am Link to this comment
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geez i remember a particular ammo station being raided on a daily or perhaps nightly basis could this be where the ied explosive components are coming from duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhbya why doesnt anyone challenge this administration and bring them to full accountability and responsibility through invesigation and prosecution. Our constitution is demanding closure on this administration for trying to strip every citizen of thier God given rights and liberties we didnt cause 911 why are we being chastised for this bullshit.

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By Marc Adin, March 15, 2006 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment
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Gen. Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has finally stopped dishonoring the code of military conduct that refuses to be the political mouthpiece of this administration? I find that hard to believe. Pace has been trotted out as a military propaganda expert who confirms exactly what the creep-criminal Rumsfeld says, or what numchuk nimrod, el prezidente, happens to say at any given point in time. If he finally has been shamed by his pandering to the whims of these idiots there is hope. His job is not to be used by his bosses as a political toady. His job is to give them an honest assessment of all things military, and let the politicos make the decisions. Pace should not be at the shoulder of Rumsfeld nodding affirmations at whatever drool dribbles out of the Sec of Def ‘s mouth. I hope this ends the rapid politicization of the highest ranking officers of the proud, and rightly so, U.S. military.

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By Alaskaman, March 15, 2006 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment
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Looks like the army is not going to follow him down “The Rabbit hole”

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By tharpa, March 15, 2006 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment
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Even if all components come from Iran, the real issue is whether or not their construction and distribution comes from the government of Iran and/or is happening with their knowledge, assistance etc. etc.

Otherwise, the fact that some Iranians are involved is somewhat irrelevant.

If not, then the US really should have hit back at Saudi Arabia after 9/11, because it was mainly Saudi Arabians who did the deed (reportedly).

The fact that this simple, but important, point is not brought out clearly in our reportage is further evidence of the decay in journalistic standards throughout western media, which is increasingly an entertainment medium masquerading as an information-disseminating function in society. The USG runs a perpetual campaign using the media as disseminaters of their spin.

It is refreshing, at least, to see a General not going along with this extremely sloppy, but potentially significant in terms of effects, propoganda.

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By Donna Russell, March 15, 2006 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment
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It sounds like we are starting “the run up to the war,” this time against Iran.  Why not North Korea?—-answer: Cars can’t run on spicy cabbage.

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By Ginny, March 15, 2006 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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Does this man (Bush) know the definition of the word “FACT”?  Does he care?  When are the American people going to get tired of listening to his “misstatements” (“lies”) and demand accountability?

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By nyc.kamel, March 15, 2006 at 10:17 am Link to this comment
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Bush claims that there is proof that some “components” of IEDs come from Iran. Even we assume that this is true, I would like to know where the other components come from…China, U.S., Eurpoe, Japan, etc…

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