Comment to Theway2K:

In no way am I suggesting that Mien Kampf be available reading material to anti semitics and zealots ANYwhere.  It is a book which should be available to civilizations for its lessons and the history that made up a personality such as Hitler.

Mein Kampf contains several of Hitler’s drawings; very poor but which, as an artist myself, I interpret as a mind with a world vision.  Consequently, history would record my interpretation as correct.  Indeed, had this vision been directed towards the good, Hitler would have gone down in history as a great leader.  However, damning to himself and the world, this vision led to the most monstrous of all leaders for it led him to attempt to conquer the world and so doing, created hell on earth that seems to have no ending.

My response to Theway2k’s Post #10:

You haven’t presented any counter arguments to show how the message – the arguments and facts on the links in my post #9 – was irrelevant.  Instead you attacked the messengers as “pro-Palestinian, liberal/left leaning or both,” but that doesn’t mean their message is irrelevant or incorrect.  Next you tried to tie the Palestinian cause to Nazi ideology and portray Yasser Arafat as the father of modern terrorism.  Unfortunately, you need a reality check on what the Zionist Jews themselves did.

Even though the British went out of their way to help the Zionist Jews of Europe to migrate into Palestine after the First World War against the wishes of the indigenous Palestinian Arab and against the British agreement with the Arab leader, the Zionists turned against their British friends in the late 1930s and in the 1940s. Some Zionists turned to the Nazi Germany for help and the Zionist terror groups mounted terrorist attacks on the British.  In other words, when the Zionist Jews were not getting what they wanted, they behaved as bad or worse than the Palestinians who were indigenous to the land.  The difference between the two groups is that Zionists/Israelis are far better at downplaying Zionist terrorism and highlighting Palestinian terrorism.

As for Zionist cooperation with the Nazis:

In the 1930s until early 1940s, the Zionist Jews cooperated or had relationships with the Nazis ( especially after Hitler rose in 1933) and to some extent with Mussolini’s Italy and Tojo Hideki’s Japan. In 1937 the Zionist Haganah organization from Palestine met Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann and his associates in Germany, Palestine and/or Cairo to seek German help for a Jewish state in return for spying for the Nazis. (During the Holocaust , Adolf Eichmann was in charge of the trains which sent Jews to the Death Camps in Poland; he bragged that he had personally sent over five million Jews to their deaths.) In 1941 the Zionist Stern Group commandeered by Yitzak Shamir (future Israeli Prime Minister) offered to cooperate with Hitler’s Nazi Germany and fight against the British in the war, protect Nazi interests in the Middle East and express sympathy for the “German Conception” of Hitler’s “New Order in Europe” in return for Nazi Germany’s help in forming a Jewish state. Read Lenni Brenner’s “51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis”and Hannah Arendt’s “Eichmann in Jerusalem”.
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner05252005.html

As for Zionist and Israeli terrorism:

- Israelis should know that spectacular terrorism works for them. During the 1940s Zionist Jewish terrorists carried out many terror attacks against the British in Palestine. In one savage attack in 1946, Zionist Jewish terrorists bombed Jerusalem’s King David Hotel (site of the British administrative headquarters) murdering 92 people. The leader of the Zionist terrorist group was Menachem Begin, who later became a prime minister of Israel. Eventually, Zionist terrorism possibly worked—in 1948, the British withdrew and the Zionists declared the founding of the state of Israel against the wishes of the clear Palestinian majority.

In 1948, a future Israeli Prime Minister (Yitzhak Shamir) ordered the assassination of the high-profile United Nations mediator Count Folke Bernadotte because he was trying to resolve the Israel-Palestinian crisis. The Zionists murdered Bernadotte, even though he was the hero who had helped save 20,000 Jewish lives during the Nazi Holocaust just a few years before. In fact, Bernadotte did far more for the Jews than Oskar Schindler of Schindler’s List ever did in reality. Yitzak Shamir was the leader of a Jewish terror group called the Stern Gang which carried out a string of assassinations in the 1940s.

- Israeli terrorism against the US and Britain was again proven in the Lavon Affair or Operation Suzannah. In 1954, Egyptian Jewish and Israeli terrorists, ordered by the Israeli government, fire bombed several US and British buildings in Egypt, including a US diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind in an attempt to implicate Arabs as the culprits. Israel planned the terror attacks to upset budding US-Egyptian relations. In March 2005, Israel’s president honored nine of the Egyptian Jew terrorists. “We decided now to express our respect for these heroes,” President Moshe Katzav said after presenting the three surviving members of the bomber ring with certificates of appreciation at a Jerusalem ceremony. Incredible – Israel honors terrorists who attacked America as heroes and gives them certificates. Do you know of any Palestinian terrorists getting certificates of appreciation?

- Count Bernadotte was not the only public figure the Israelis tried to murder. In 1979, Israeli agents attempted to assassinate the US ambassador to Lebanon in a way that would point to Lebanon as the culprit, according to a former U.S. ambassador to Qatar. But fate intervened, and things went wrong. The tires on Ambassador John Gunther Dean’s limousine automatically re-inflated when they were shot out. And the light tank shell simply bounced off the car’s armor. Mossad’s specialty was to pull off a dirty trick but make it appear somebody else had done it. Andrew Killgore: “Had Mossad, Israel’s secret intelligence organization, succeeded, it would have been the perfect crime—the crime of the century. The plan was breathtaking in concept: to assassinate the American ambassador to Lebanon, in Lebanon, with American weapons, intended for Israeli’s defense only. Everything about it would point to Lebanon as the culprit.”

Read the following United Nations history of “The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem”.  It is largely based on the British documentation and history.  The British were the colonial rulers of mandate Palestine and they supported the Zionist establishment of a homeland in Palestine after 1917.  Click on the blue sublinks especially Part I.  Even from a British perspective that’s sympathetic to the Zionists, it is clear that the Zionist Jews dispossessed the indigenous Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians of their land and that they had been scheming to do this since the late 19th century. 
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/aeac80e740c782e4852561150071fdb0!OpenDocument

The Edward Said archive provides a Palestinian perspective. Also read Prof Noam Chomsky’s book: “Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel and the Palestinians”; Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein’s book: “The Israel Palestine Conflict”; and Prof. Francis A. Boyle’s book:  “Palestine, Palestinians and International Law”.
http://www.gush-shalom.org/Docs/Truth_Eng.pdf
http://www.edwardsaid.org/modules/news/
http://www.counterpunch.org/boylebiglie.html
http://www.ameu.org/uploads/vol31_issue1_1998.pdf
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=4&ar=10

I guess we can disparage these writers as “left”, “liberal-leaning”, Islamofacist, anti-Semitic, anti-whatever because we don’t like what they have to say based on true facts and sound arguments and we don’t have any good arguments or facts to debunk waht they said. Unfortunately facts are facts, and history is history.  Finally, for the people using anti-Semitism as an excuse, please learn to spell it properly - the “S” is capitalized.

My response to Lorin G’s Post #12:

The pro-Israel and anti-Muslim propaganda has been to portray it as “a religious and cultural battle against any non practicing Muslims and Israel is the closest thorn in their side” in order ot deflect attention from the problems the Zionists and West caused in the Middle East. Directly or indirectly, Zionism and Israel’s policies fueled anti-Semitism, anti-Israel and anti-Western sentiments in Arab/Muslim countries.

One of the Zionist myths is that Arabs always hated the Jews, British and Americans. Not so before the First World War. This is true and important to note. Before WW1, Palestinian Arabs and indigenous Jews (they were mostly not interested in Zionism) got along relatively well. And during WW1 the Arab leaders agreed to help the British against the Ottoman Turks in return for independence of Arab lands after the war.

The problems started after WW1 when the foreign Zionists started arriving from Europe in mass migrations with the help of the double dealing British.  These European Zionists were coveting the Palestinians’ ancestral homeland, which was a Zionist goal set in the late 19th century. By 1919, the indigenous Palestinians realized what the foreign Zionist Jews were up to and realized they were being dispossessed of their land and future political control over their land. Of course the Palestinians began to distrust and hate the Zionist immigrants and the Western powers supporting them (first the British, then the US and Europe) that supported Zionist goals. Of course the Palestinians took steps to try to protect their rights and stop the mass immigration of foreigners against Palestinian wishes. Imagine for a moment if millions of Russians or Chinese or Arabs suddenly migrated to your neighborhood and were taking your land, town and country. How would you react?

According to the British records on Palestine from The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem: Part I 1917-1947: “(Palestinian) revolt of 1929…A special Commission, headed by Sir Walter Shaw, a retired (British) Chief Justice of the Straits Settlements.. observed in 1929: ‘In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. FOR 80 YEARS BEFORE THE FIRST OF THESE ATTACKS (1920) THERE IS NO RECORDED INSTANCE OF ANY SIMILAR INCIDENTS. It is obvious then that the relations between the two races during the past decade must have differed in some material respect from those which previously obtained. Of this we found ample evidence. The reports of the Military Court and of the local Commission which, in 1920 and in 1921 respectively, enquired into the disturbances of those years, drew attention to the change in the attitude of the Arab population towards the Jews in Palestine. This was borne out by the evidence tendered during our inquiry when REPRESENTATIVES OF ALL PARTIES (JEWS AND ARABS) TOLD US THAT BEFORE THE WAR THE JEWS AND ARABS LIVED SIDE BY SIDE IF NOT IN AMITY, AT LEAST WITH TOLERANCE, a quality which to-day is almost unknown in Palestine’. ”
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/aeac80e740c782e4852561150071fdb0!OpenDocument

Juan Cole: Have Arabs or Muslims always Hated Jews?
“The premise is that there is an “eternal Arab” or “eternal Muslim” that is defined as essentially fanatical and intolerant and full of hatred toward Jews. These are universal characteristics of this race, and unvarying over time. Of course, if it were true that “Arabs” or “Muslims” partook of this eternal character, then it just wouldn’t matter what Israeli hawks do to them. Kill civilian Arab children with helicopter gunship fire? So what if that upsets the Arabs? They are already fanatical and hate-filled, so it just doesn’t matter. You can’t throw a glass of water into the ocean and thereby cause the tides to rise. But what if Arabs and Muslims were human beings like everybody else? Wouldn’t it be the case that if you punched one in the nose, he would try to punch you back? And if you didn’t punch him out, he’d be more likely to greet you politely? And if you tossed his distant cousin out of his house, wouldn’t he mind that? Actions have consequences. What are the facts?...”
http://www.juancole.com/2004/12/have-arabs-or-muslims-always-hated.html

Palestinian Christians (many are descendents of the early Christians), not just Palestinian Muslims, also have concerns about Israel’s policies. This debunks the premise that it is a religious and cultural battle against non-Muslims. The following is the Christmas message from the Christian mayor of Bethlehem:
http://www.bethlehem-city.org/news/BM-Xmas Message.htm

What’s interesting is that Arabs (there are 300 million of them) are also Semites, just like Jews.  Both Israelis and Arabs can be virulently anti-Semitic against each other.

First, I’d like to make clear that my last name does not indicate that I’m Jewish.  I am 100% English and simply married a Jewish man.  Barksdale is my maiden name.  This is not, in the slightest, suggesting that I’m prejudiced or in any way, opposed to the Jewish population, anywhere.

Now, it seems to me that Bush may be softening up on Iran because, to his dismay, Iran suceeded in putting it’s people in power in Iraq.  At the moment I don’t recall which paper reported it but I only read the Washington Post, Village Voice and NY Times; all well respected news sources.

I try to give the devil his due but the fact that President GW Bush expected to democratize Iraq, Iran and Syria is a bit beyond the pale.  It may have begun as a dream of his but I fear that he awoke to a nightmarish reality.  The change he aspired to only comes about through the process of evolution.  For millinia these nations have been frought with zealotry and fundamentalisms; neither pleadings, promises of gold nor wars will make a change.

“To be able to distinguish between creative and the destructive use of conflict is extremely important to our growth and development and serves to enhance the dignity and well-being of oneself and the other.  The destructive use of conflict violates the integrity and diminishes the well-being of oneself and others, whether it be another person, a nation or nature”.  Craig Schindler and Gary Lapid, from “The Great Turning”.

I fear that Mr. Bush overestimated his powers when he attacked Iraq and indeed, had no idea that his abuse of conflict would backfire in his face like a mishandled firecracker on the 4th. of July.  Perhaps, due to his lack of oversight, he was forbade to consider that, but for Israel, the Middle East is populated with the aforementioned zealots and fundamentalists.  Undoubtedly, it is unfortunate that Israel is geographically placed rather in the middle of unreachable dogmatisms.  But it a fact that must be dealt with and I personally do not feel that Mr. Bush is capable of getting the job done.

“On some positions, cowardice asks the question:  “Is it safe?”  Expediency asks the question:  “Is it politic?”  Vanity asks the question:  “Is it popular?”  But conscience asks the question:  “Is it right?”  Martin Luther King, Jr., from a speech in March, 1968.

Even with all the drawbacks Mr. Bush embodies, he cannot help but know that his position in permitting nuclear materials to be transported from Russia to Iran is of great concern to Israel.  With Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s declaration that Israel should be wiped off the map and his denial of the holocaust, what are the Israelites to believe?  Surely, abandonment by their greatest ally enters their minds.

Mr. Bush must know that the question, “is it right?”, asked by martin Luther King, Jr., is the major that must come into play here.  He cannot doubt that Israel would come to the aid of our nation should the need arise.  I believe that he now must prove to the AIPAC that America would reciprocate in kind.

In Response to Tony #9, Anti_semites have have been around long before Sharon or any modern day policies.If it weren’t for Israel then the number one enemy would be USA and any non-Muslim Country would be right behind. This is not about land or Iraq, it is a religious and cultural battle against any non practicing Muslims and Israel is the closest thorn in their side. Yes, the USA helps protect them and we get negative points for that, but it is from those that hate us already.
Just to be clear, I am not talking about all Muslims , nor knocking their faith or practice. Everyone should be free to practice their Religion just as long as it does not force others to do so.

Sorry, in post #9 I meant to write: “There is a distinction between criticizing a state’s unacceptable policies and making unacceptable comments about any group of people”  instead of “There is a distinction between critising a state’s unacceptable policies and making acceptable coments about any group of people”.

I suspect the links in Comment 9 are pro-Palestinian, liberal/left leaning or both. That renders the links irrelevant to the cause of a Jewish state. In particular pro-palestinian links due to the immense amount of Nazi deification Palestinians exercise in reference to wiping the Jews off the map. Litterally Mein Kampf is a best selling book in Palestinian territories and Mohammedan lands in general.

THE FATHER OF MODERN TERRORISM: The true legacy of Yasser Arafat

A World Without Israel

If the Problem Is Muslim Terror, Then What? We need to get serious about keeping our enemies out

Hezbollah: Israel’s Northern Menace

Hitler book bestseller in Turkey

The above links demonstrate anti-semitism, anti-Americanism and anti-Israel stances by Islamofascists. Hitler is the hero of the Middle East, while the Jews are just asking to exist in the land of their origins. For that matter, a small dinky parcel of land that racist Mohammedans begrudge to give them.

Former CIA analysts Billl and Kathleen Christison on “It’s More Important Than Halting Nuclear Proliferation:  Let’s Stop a US/Israeli War on Iran”
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison12292005.html

Jim Lobe discusses ‘why do they hate us’ in : “Familiar Debate Resumes in Wake of London Bombings”
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=29430

Thanks for your comments, Antoinette.  As for “anti-Semitism”, the following articles (a number by Jews) explain how the term is being misused to silence criticism of Israel’s policies.  Such abuse is diluting the important value and meaning of the term anti-Semitism: hostility toward, discrimination against or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.  There is a distinction between critising a state’s unacceptable policies and making acceptable coments about any group of people.  In fact, Israeli Uri Avnery argues that his government’s policies are manufacturing anti-Semites.
http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h092903.html
http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=116
http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann12302003.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery1002.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,1098625,00.html
http://www.zmag.org/meastwatch/fiskjourn.htm
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/

Thanks Tony N- for your comments. Not afraid of being called an anti semite are you? Truth could be a scarce and dangerous commodity these days.

The US has turned a blind eye to Israels WMD weapons. Isreal has repeatedly ignored UN sanctions. Their ‘war forays’ to occupy more arab land. ‘Importing ‘of european and african citizens to populate settlements. IS it a surprise that the Arabs supported the 9/11 attack due to the US policies in regds to our one sided (or blind sided) support of Isreal?

Bush’s explanation that the arabs are envious of our freedom, is absurd. How does Condi and Bush explain the London bombings, by home grown islamist terrorists, they had all the freedom and british education available? There goes that orwellian theory.

I cannot remember the name of one of our founding fathers that contributed to the Bill Of Rights, forewarning america that aligning themselves too closely with another countries problems would weaken our own state. .Could someone help me out here? was it Jefferson or Franklin?

Actually the most recent info I have read is that Iran has rejected Russia’s offer as well. Iran is making a big confrontational push with their Islamofascist agenda. I don’t know what that is, but it can’t be good.

Israel needs to be concerned that Bush will turn to Iran for the same reason Nixon turned to China, to extricate himself from a stalemated war.
If that happens, Israel will be to Taiwan as Iran will be to China in U.S. foreign policy.
Maybe that will open the eyes of Israel’s willfully blind leadership and let them see the advantages of a fully viable Palestinian state,

Tony N, thanks for the great links. I added a couple to my late November piece, The Nuclear Club, at http://dailydocket.blogspot.com/2005/11/nuclear-club.html

As a progressive, you’ve got to be very careful when you use AIPAC’s position on anything to support yr own views.  Sure, AIPAC is alarmed by, & critical of current U.S. Iran policy.  But the enemy of your enemy isn’t necessarily your friend.  If you scratched the surface of any AIPAC staffer or major donor worth their salt you’d find an advocate for a U.S. invasion of Iran or at least a military strike to dismantle its nuclear capability (a la Michael Ledeen).

I’m by no means supporting the current Bush position on Iran.  I think we should be at the UN right now demanding international censure &/or sanctions against Iran.

But AIPAC’s views on Iran are far more draconian I’m sure than those of Robert Scheer, myself or most Truthdig readers.

Well, Israel should have been careful of what it asked for.  Besides the US, Israel was the only other country in the world where polls showed a majority of people supported the invasion of Iraq. Ariel Sharon, other Israeli leaders and AIPAC at least supported the US invasion of Iraq, and quite possibly helped drive it.  Israel supplied anti-Iraq propaganda before the 2003 invasion, just as they are doing against Iran today, and Israel even helped to train some US forces in combat operations. The Bush administration’s neo-cons are strong supporters of Israel’s right-wing politicians and support Israel’s domination of the region.  Indeed, Bush advisor Philip Zelikow once admitted that the Iraq war was launched to protect Israel.  Had Ahmad Chalabi become Iraq’s leader and recognized Israel, in disregard of majority Iraqi opinion, Israel’s supporters would now be cheering the Iraq invasion.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/justify/2004/0329israel.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison01252003.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison09062004.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/benn02182003.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/estabrook02262003.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery0910.html
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Iran shouldn’t have nukes in future.  But neither should Israel today.  Israel is the far bigger culprit.  If Israel wants Iran to give up its POSSIBLE DESIRE to have a few nukes at some point in future, then Israel must give up its ACTUAL MASSIVE ARSENAL of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction that it possesses today. By granting Israel the right to produce weapons that can be used for one purpose only, mass killing, then demanding Iran to cease the mere desire to have them as a deterrent is the ultimate hypocrisy. Israel’s nuclear arsenal has motivated other Middle East countries to consider developing their own nukes as a deterrent. 

A 2003 BBC report “Israel’s Secret Weapon” posed the following questions: ““Which country in the Middle East has undeclared Nuclear weaponry? .. Which country in the Middle East has no outside inspections? .. Which country jailed its nuclear whistleblower for 18 years? ..” Because of the BBC report, Israel officially declared boycotting the BBC company at the time. So much for press freedom and democracy.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6558.htm

Israel is probably the fourth biggest nuclear nuclear weapons power in the world.  Israel is estimated to have 200 to 400 nuclear and thermonuclear weapons, according to US intelligence and Jane’s Defence Weekly. Since the 1960s Israel had covertly developed these weapons with French, British and US assistance or acquiescence. The US and Britain don’t hold Israel accountable for its nukes.  Only the US, Russia and China have more nukes. Unlike Iran, Israel has refused to approve the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm

MSNBC’s interactive map of Israel’s massive weapons of mass destruction program (click the dots on the map):
http://www.msnbc.com/news/wld/graphics/strategic_israel_dw.htm

So far, the International Atomic Energy Agency has found no “smoking gun” in Iran that would indicate a nuclear weapons program, Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, the director-general of the IAEA, told The Jerusalem Post.  ElBaradei said there was now “lots of speculation” about an Iranian drive to nuclear weapons capability. But “we try to work on the basis of facts,” he said. And the facts, he said in response to a question from the (Jerusalem) Post, were that “we haven’t seen a smoking gun in Iran. We haven’t seen an underground production enrichment facility. We haven’t seen enough materials in Iran, other than gram quantities, to put into a weapon.”
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475695339&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Iran is still years away from even its first nuke.  The nukes can only be a deterrent, since Iran knows that launching a nuke will result in a massive nuclear reprisal by the USA and/or Israel. This whole nuclear WMD issue is possibly being used by the US and Israel to ambush Iran, just as they did with Iraq using fake WMD claims.

Unlike Israel, Iran has not attacked other countries except in self-defense since 1978.  The Arabs and Muslims are worried about Israel’s regional ambitions and greed for land.  The precedent of Israel attacking other countries is there – since 1948, Israel has attacked Palestinian territories, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and Tunisia at least.

Israel almost used its nuclear WMDS in the early 1970s against Egypt and Syria. In addition, Israel holds the world record for violating UN resolutions, and the US government allows them to get away with it.  If the US forced Israel to meet UN resolutions and make peace with the Palestinians and other Arabs and dismantled its WMD program, there would be far fewer problems in that region.

It’s amazing to see how some people continue to connect the Iraq war to every other problem in the world. In actuality it was the weak support in Congress with Bush’s low polls that most likely caused the sudden weakening of Bush’s stand on Iran.

Hopefully he will come to his senses and stop wavering on the issue and increase pressure on Iran to stop it’s Nuke program.

There’s no evidence that Bush is “cozying” up to the government in Iran.  For heaven’s sake, he’s trying to stop them from building nuclear weapons.  If anyone is doing the cozying, it’s Russia and the Europeans who, incidentally, didn’t invade Iraq and snuggle up to Iran for their own economic and political reasons.  Why aren’t you complaining about them?