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Jesus: The Man, the Myth

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Conclusion

So, is there a meaningful way to speak of “Jesus Christ”? There probably is not. To speak of Jesus is to continue the “quest,” to continue to draw out implications for who this man was. To speak of (the) Christ is to assert a faith that can be defined (in historical fashion) according to the needs of one’s own constituency. Traditional Christians will continue to live quietly in their personalized religion with their forgiving Christ, who absolves them of sin, promises them heaven when they die and motivates them to pious behavior until that day. Liberal Christians will continue to ignore the more miraculous elements of the Bible and of Jesus’ story but maintain their embrace of the Israelite prophetic tradition and the social justice implications of Jesus’ teaching and preaching. The real battle will be between the fundamentalist Christians on the right and the progressive Christians on the left.

Fundamentalism has a voracious evangelical appetite. It is not enough that its adherents be convinced themselves that they are correct; they must convince the world to believe the same way as they do. Not only must they convince the world, they must transform the world, and those that oppose their transformation are no less than evil incarnate because they are opposing the true will of God (as it has been revealed to fundamentalists). Traditional, liberal and even progressive elements in the religion don’t even have an oar in the water when it comes to resisting the overwhelming current that is fundamentalism. This is true in Islam as well as in Christianity.

Progressive Christianity is beginning to fight back. The Westar Institute (sponsor of the Jesus Seminar), the Center for Progressive Christianity and dozens of regional “progressive” Christian movements are starting to speak loudly and forcefully, from the pulpit and in the media,  against what they see as dangerous distortions of the meaning and message of Jesus by the fundamentalists. Progressive Christianity, grounded in an intellectually rigorous study of the historical Jesus, committed to a vision of social, economic and political democracy, radically open to all varieties of religious expression (more than one path up the mountain to God) and understanding the need to build strong communities of faith, is beginning to make its mark in many parts of the United States, Canada, the UK and Australia in particular.

The truth about Jesus will continue to be the fulcrum that each side seeks to leverage against the other. This dig will continue to monitor and map that struggle as this new dispensation of the “religion wars” comes into full view.

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Hallelujah! Easter is almost here. Aren’t you glad? What’s that low sigh I hear? Ohhhhh that’s right, you’re one of those progressive Christians. Easter is probably the most conflicted time of the year among progressive churches, even more so than Christmas. Even a progressive Christian can reasonably assert that Jesus was really born, even as the debate goes on among others about how he was born. But this is not so with Easter. Either he was resurrected or he was not. And when we say he was not, then someone somewhere will quote I Corinthians 15:12 to us, “Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead?”

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Dec. 22, 2005

Shockley addresses reader comments regarding the historical Jesus and representations of “the Christ.”

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Dec. 21, 2005

The culture wars have clearly gotten out of hand when the front line is Christmas.

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By tgambill, February 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

“Shut the fuck up you foul spirit”

Don’t say a word, the only thing I want to hear from you is your name !!!

In JESUS NAME I command you give me your name !!!”

*****so, your unclean spirit is coming out as I suspected.  I wouldn’t give you my name now if you gave me 10,000 dollars.  Reason?  Just to make your spirit unsettled and I don’t do anything when its demanded by man.  Only God can demand and receive my servitude.  Now, I will say whatever I want, anytime I want.  You will not tell me to shut up and get results.  Your soul is in dire danger and if you step back you will see that you in fact have an unclean spirit of pride and Mammon is there….Baal is lurking.  no kidding.  What kind of Christian can you say and WRITE,

“Shut the fuck up you foul spirit”

then in the same post or breath….

“In JESUS NAME I command you give me your name !!!”

You have issues my brother…...serious issues.

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By tgambill, February 3, 2009 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

What is your name you foul evil spirit foul in Jesus name I demand you give your name ?

*******oh pleaszzz, get over yourself.  Jesus isn’t listening to you.  YOU DEMAND, that I give my name? you got to be kidding. 

“One strike and he out”
tgambill while you are waiting for that “One Strike”” the ballgame will be over !!!

******Dawg, took the words right from my mouth.  Leon, seriously, we have to humble ourselves, acknowledge the true word of God, stay away from the false prophets that are on TV and green prayer hankies, miracle water, setting dates for the final days, and go with the King James Bible teachings.  Even the New King James Version, has a Satanic cult symbol on the front.  Satan is ramping up his agenda.  God is in total control and Satan cannot do anything that God won’t allow.  That Rapture is coming soon.

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By lastdaywatchers, February 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

Shut the fuck up you foul spirit

Don’t say a word, the only thing I want to hear from you is your name !!!

In JESUS NAME I command you give me your name !!!

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By tgambill, February 3, 2009 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

wink) you demand?  forgive my lack of a Christian response, but people in Hell want icewater and I doubt that ice grows there.  So, you work with the CFR or funded by a Rockefeller Foundation fund? 

Now why would a Christian like you want my name for?  Like Benny Hinn?  Looking for that verse? 

You true colors will come out as the unclean spirit will reveal itself when truth is brought to the surface.  Look upon Ezekiel 33 and you will find my true name.

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By tgambill, February 3, 2009 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

LDW, here are false prophets and those that will hear….

The truth…...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jauZJAro2Yg

The lie…....

Benny Hinn a real false prophet and no doubt has many demons in his ministry. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2becyRCK6LU

Listen to this sinner and full of demonic influence,,Benny Hinn!!!!!!!!! I call him Ben-nie Hinny. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wAQ5ftiEqE&feature=related

watch this nutcase…...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7q0xynqcC4

bush a born again??  NOT!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8GoF9SLas

Osteen???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPeYUXuuRUM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di9-PebV634

Billy Graham…“you don’t need to know the name of jesus?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0&feature=related

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say unto me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:21-23)

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.” (Matthew 23:15)

They may be atheist but they are honest atheist and good people.  Leave them alone until you get right with God. For me its a daily struggle but I humble myself every day in prayer.  Its hard.

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By lastdaywatchers, February 3, 2009 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

What is your name you foul evil spirit foul in Jesus name I demand you give your name ?

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By lastdaywatchers, February 3, 2009 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

“One strike and he out”

tgambill while you are waiting for that “One Strike”” the ballgame will be over !!!

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By lastdaywatchers, February 3, 2009 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, you said “Who the F is that idiot trying to kid.  Real truth?  What the fuck is that?  Don’t test me LDW”

I won’t but God will test you and your faith and see if it found wanting!

tgambill you “how good they are or he is in prophesy.  One stike baseball game and he’s out.”

The people who are dammed are dammed because they are forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth

You sound just like a bitch who used to leave comments on my site name scooby
to which I had to curse that spirit to the pits of Hell never to leave comments again

I wish all of you hear the voice of God that you may be saved but you have to believe !!!

************ added note *************

About the comment “One stike baseball game and he’s out.”

While you are waiting for that “One strike”” the ballgame will be over !!!

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By tgambill, February 3, 2009 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

“You sound just like a bitch who used to leave comments on my site name scooby to which I had to curse that spirit to the pits of Hell never to leave comments again”

******She needs to leave comments.  YOU AS A CHRISTIAN DO NOT CALL ANYONE A BITCH!!!!! YOU HAVE NO POWER NO RIGHT TO CURSE ANY SPIRIT TO ANY PLACE. WHEN YOU NEED TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR FIRST!!

I am a true Christian.  I believe in the humbleness of spirit and the greatness of God and his son Jesus Christ.  You are a follower of the former Gene Scott and his lovely sexy, ex-porno star, “speak all kind of languages” wife, melissa.  They are not teaching the true word of God they are teaching classes on tranlation and exercising the skill of how to make money.  I visited your site and discovered that the person named leon davis has too much pride and is selling his prophesy skills like the falling away preachers TD jakes.  The others that are falling away is Billy Graham, Benny Hinn, Hagin, Hagee, Copeland, certainly Joel Osteen a heretic, for starters.  There are prosperity preachers with the “Jehova Tsaba” or false prophesy of the Wealth Transfer, the “talmud Jmmanuel” and no wonder there are Atheist in this world.  there is but one truth.  that truth lies in the King James Bible and the only truth is Jesus Christ our lord and savior.  If you made even one tiny error in prophesy then that makes you a false prophet.  If you give any future dates of his return, you are a false prophet as are ALL that use the 2012, or December 23, 2012 blah blah blah….are all false prophets in for the buck.  REPENT yourself and leave these people alone until you get yourself right.  Pray in private, remove your website and stop promoting yourself but promote Jesus Christ…......

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By lastdaywatchers, February 3, 2009 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, you said “Who the F is that idiot trying to kid.  Real truth?  What the fuck is that?  Don’t test me LDW”

I won’t but God will test you and your faith and see if it found wanting!

tgambill you “how good they are or he is in prophesy.  One stike baseball game and he’s out.”

The people who are dammed are dammed because they are forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth

You sound just like a bitch who used to leave comments on my site name scooby

to which I had to curse that spirit to the pits of Hell never to leave comments again

I wish all of you hear the voice of God that you may be saved but you have to believe !!!

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By tgambill, February 3, 2009 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

“Tom, you say that god created the universe from nothing?  What is nothing?  Please describe to me what YOU think (since that’s what you’re doing anyway) god was doing with “nothingness” before he decided to create the universe.”

******Well lets see, my question is how did nothing create life. 

“The word nothingness still leaves something.  A void, a vaccuum, etc.  So I am dying to hear what you think “nothingness” is.  Also, I would like to know why a perfect god (flawless, lacking nothing) would need to make humans or a universe for?”

*****Nothing is the spirit world of which is really the reality.  Us trying to defend our sides or speak in realistic terms to define any world past our four dimensional existence would be like two monkeys trying to explain how to understand rocket science, and quantum physics.  To understand the world of these supernatural beings is like trying to pour the ocean into a pint cup.  We as humans DO NOT have the capacity to understand the spirit world that is the reality.  We are an anomaly in their eternal world.  God created and then commanded the physical properties of this world in order to create us.

“Boredom?  He still lacking something
Need?  Definitely lacking.
Loneliness?  Lacking
creativity?  See boredom.”

****Trick question.  smile  If you want to think like God, I will listen when you create your first universe.  Otherwise lets talk about peeling banana’s. 

“No matter how you slice, your god cannot be perfect”

******he made you didn’t he?  Yes he is perfect in every way.  He’s also your God whether you like it or not or, you believe it or not you have no say in the matter.  You will also meet him for a short period at death or after the Tribulations whichever comes first.

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By Annie Reitano, February 3, 2009 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

Holy hell!  This forum is riddled with the superstitious.

Tom, you say that god created the universe from nothing?  What is nothing?  Please describe to me what YOU think (since that’s what you’re doing anyway) god was doing with “nothingness” before he decided to create the universe.

The word nothingness still leaves something.  A void, a vaccuum, etc.  So I am dying to hear what you think “nothingness” is.  Also, I would like to know why a perfect god (flawless, lacking nothing) would need to make humans or a universe for?

Boredom?  He still lacking something
Need?  Definitely lacking.
Loneliness?  Lacking
creativity?  See boredom.

No matter how you slice, your god cannot be perfect

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By tgambill, February 3, 2009 at 12:52 am Link to this comment

A lot of it has to do with money.  “The televised eccentricities of the white-maned preacher included chomping on cigars, wearing a variety of hats and featuring young women dancing in the broadcasts. In fundraising during his live broadcasts he would stare into the camera and order viewers to “Get on the telephone!”, successfully raising $1 million a month. His charitable activities included raising money for the Los Angeles Public Library and the Rose Bowl Aquatic Center in Pasadena. Mrs. Scott’s personal history previous to becoming involved with Gene Scott includes a career as a nude model, actress in pornographic films, and producer of pornographic films. Her stage name was Barbie Bridges. Films in which she performed continue to be available for sale. Mrs. Scott’s succession to her husband’s ministry was the subject of considerable controversy among church members.”

Unrelated but related to the NWO….

google, talmud Jmmanuel on you tube.  this non-sense has the UFO angle and is moving up fast.  It talks about lightworkers protecting the planet….lol..and Obama is a lightworker.  I hear a great delusion on the horizon. 

Talmud Jmmanuel and Billy Meier,

Satan is working hard at deception, and for those that know, God will also send a strong delusion. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmuAA6nmjfE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmuAA6nmjfE&feature=related

“Billy” Eduard Albert Meier, a New Age prophet educated by wise celestial teachers from the Pleiades star cluster.  The discoverers of the scrolls have since been persecuted by Christian and Jewish orthodox groups and by political shadow governments.

NOTE: that the interviewer determines that the “plant” is a lightworker.  Listen to how they interact. 

Here are the UFO – Pleiadians, Defenders of Earth RJ Anthony Dixie Caris and Talmud Jmmanuel are the same. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-wZLUsdjeA&feature=related
Obama The Lightworker

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By christian96, February 2, 2009 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

Tgambill——Trying to impress others could be a
compensation for fellings of insecurity or perhaps
she just wants to feel accepted by others as we all
do.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

This is the common thought about Ms Scott was how she is impressing with the teaching and thats about it.

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By christian96, February 2, 2009 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

To Tgambill——I first stubled onto Gene Scott years
ago and was turned off by the way he spoke to his
flock.  Not very humble nor Christian.  After he died, I found Melissa Scott on DISH Network one night.  I didn’t know she was a porn star.  I would
like to have seen that.  Oops!  There comes that
devil out in me.  She could have repented.  I don’t
know.  She doesn’t show any flesh now.  I’m not sure
how much she knows about the Bible.  Instead of feeding and comforting the flock, she spends a lot of
time trying to impress her audience with her knowledge of various languages.  What a waste of
precious time.  She is a good singer.  Probably had
aspirations to be an actress at one time.  Perhaps,
that is how she got into porn; wanting someone to
notice her.  Well, that’s enough judging for now.
I better go look in the mirror at the log in my own
eye.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

Someone told you wrong about the KJV.  It is the only book in the entire library of congress and in the entire world that is the true word of God.  A God that created a universe from nothing, can surely inspire and have his message of love and hope to be put together.  He did. 

I wouldn’t take anything this person of May 15th blahblah blah serious.  I’ll handle him if I’m here….He is a fraud.  He is selling himself and how good they are or he is in prophesy.  One stike baseball game and he’s out.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

“But I cannot agree that KJB (King James Bible) is the book to end all books.”

 

“Well. exuse me, the forum just attracted a bit of vermin.  Again!  I wouldn’t go to the LDW site if someone gave me a mill ion dollars.  Well, maybe a million.  Except I’d get my feet all dirty in the bullshit that is covering it.  My gawd! Who the F is that idiot trying to kid.  Real truth?  What the fuck is that?  Don’t test me LDW.  You ‘ve been here before and we chased you off!  Remember?  Either go get a ‘real’ life or commit suicide.”

******I don’t know the background on this explosive reaction however, your instincts are SPOT ON!!!!  The person named Leon Davis is a fraud and he apparently is a follower of a pastor named Gene Scott.  Scott was a hard line preacher and used the word of God to make money.  Just another prosperity teacher like Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, Benny Hinn, Copeland, and other false teachers.  They give just enough truth to make people believe and also feel good about themselves and not the fact that we are all sinners and come short of the glory of God and that Jesus is the only way.  Now, as an Athesist you won’t buy this anyway, but that’s not the point.  If they claim to be a christian then act like one and not use it for money.  They aren’t. His wife was a former porn star.  Her name is Melissa Scott and has her own TV night time program. She has her own issues and misleading ministry.  Gene Scott took large amounts of money from the weak minded and used on Hookers and how he met his wife, the ex-porn star, booze and fine clothes and luxuries. As I said, Satan is clever and uses counterfeit Christians to make money, discredit the truth and in addition on a secular view.

You are an atheist, and so you will talk like an atheist, a hindu will do the same for hindus, and so forth, then fine.  but a Christian that does this is called not a Christian but a charalton, or Snake oil salesman.  Liars….........they will pay a heavier judgment than even an unrepented murderer. 


Anyway, tgambill, as I was rudely interrupted.  I happen to know how the KJB came into existence.  And it ain’t pretty.  The vicars and obscure scholars from Oxford and Cambridge, drunks, pornographers and most worldly people in the English 17th century, more than 50 translators, under the express charge of James I, retranslating from a translation of a translation and then when that wasn’t successful, the translators went to Greek texts.  Many arguments and errors were not uncommon as is told by several historians.  As one, a very august one, Adam Nicholson says, “the standard of scholarship among Christ’s disciples was despicable.”
What shall we do with that knowledge, plow right ahead anyway?  Without good reason other than someone’s say so.  As I said, why wouldn’t my interpretation be less worthy than yours? But as our resident Christian, tgambill, I look to you.  How much can I believe of the newcomer you seem to have established a conversation with?  He seems to know a great deal too.  You know me from way back now, I don’t believe anybody.

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By Shenonymous, February 2, 2009 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

Jesus may be real, and his redemption may be a real possibility, and that tgambill is a real mouthful coming from me.  But I cannot agree that KJB (King James Bible) is the book to end all books.

Well. exuse me, the forum just attracted a bit of vermin.  Again!  I wouldn’t go to the LDW site if someone gave me a mill ion dollars.  Well, maybe a million.  Except I’d get my feet all dirty in the bullshit that is covering it.  My gawd! Who the F is that idiot trying to kid.  Real truth?  What the fuck is that?  Don’t test me LDW.  You ‘ve been here before and we chased you off!  Remember?  Either go get a ‘real’ life or commit suicide.

Anyway, tgambill, as I was rudely interrupted.  I happen to know how the KJB came into existence.  And it ain’t pretty.  The vicars and obscure scholars from Oxford and Cambridge, drunks, pornographers and most worldly people in the English 17th century, more than 50 translators, under the express charge of James I, retranslating from a translation of a translation and then when that wasn’t successful, the translators went to Greek texts.  Many arguments and errors were not uncommon as is told by several historians.  As one, a very august one, Adam Nicholson says, “the standard of scholarship among Christ’s disciples was despicable.”

What shall we do with that knowledge, plow right ahead anyway?  Without good reason other than someone’s say so.  As I said, why wouldn’t my interpretation be less worthy than yours? But as our resident Christian, tgambill, I look to you.  How much can I believe of the newcomer you seem to have established a conversation with?  He seems to know a great deal too.  You know me from way back now, I don’t believe anybody.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

“You describe a number of men as having been exalted by men for no apparent reason. Why are the Biblical authors, translators, transcribers and hijackers above being men exalted by men for no apparent reason?’

*****They weren’t.  They wrote what they saw, their communication with God, and what happened.  God exaulted them and he punished them.  The Bible was just translated into what was already written by eyewitnesses and others inspired by Gods spirit. 


“If “God offers us forgiveness and life eternal” it could only be that he is forced to due to our greediness in that the life he gave and that we have is not enough for us.”

*****the problem of free will.  he wasn’t forced.  he chose to, big difference. He also took the punishment meant for us on the Cross.  He gave us his only begotten son, God incarnate in human flesh, to save our souls if we believed on him and repented of our own. 

“The whole “garden” but we wanted more. And if “Satan offers hate and unforgiveness for a life time”, then you have accepted his offer for this life time.”

*****This is the deception.  Satan cannot offer anything.  He lies and deceives many into thinking that he can.  He tried that with jesus.  He failed.  Jesus knew the scripture.  He was the scriptures. 

“It is not that you hate or are unforgiving of others. You hate your own perceived sinfulness and refuse to forgive yourself for being human. And thus Satan has rendered you harmless against him.”

******I don’t hate anything.  If God,sole creator of the Universe, forgives me for my sins; who am I to not forgive myself and others?? Satan has NO power over any of us unless we give it to him willingly.  He is powerless to overcome anything but powerful to deceive and lie.  I have total power over Satan with the cleansing blood of Jesus.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

[June 1932 - Burned out veteran’s homes in Shanty Town, to prepare them to run a coup,  Then entice US. General to march on Washington, the U.S. Capital to take over using the 500,000 disgruntled Vets.]

July 1932 to November 1933 – Good timing for an actual planned Coup of the American Government by American big business by attempting to recruit a Major General Butler in the U.S.M.C.  as the commander.  This true to life plan involved a very colorful character named Major General Smedley Butler of the USMC.  He was approached by certain wealthy capitalist from the United States to lead a revolution to overthrow the government and establish an American Fascist dictatorship.  He was even tempted by this offer of $60,000.  Three men, representing a body of planners, proposed to General Butler a plan to seize the White House with a private Army of 500,000 very disgruntled veterans, hold FDR prisoner, and get rid of him if he refused to serve as their puppet in a dictatorship they were going to control.  Do a search on Butler and discover what he said about war and what he knew already.  He asserted that the military really served the role as a collection agency for big bankers.  The Senate munitions investigating committee confirmed this assertion in 1934.  Major General Butler had won two Congressional Medals of Honor, and had been involved in many campaigns.  This committee confirmed that; remember this word; “Standard Oil”, along with United Fruit, the sugar trust, the big banks, had been behind most of the operations he had lead.  Do another search to find the McCormack-Dickstein Committee that investigated Butler’s charges.  They confirmed his allegations.  There are other folks that believe that Butler was maybe being set up, and that this incident was actually going to be the means that these big businessmen and FDR was going to use.  Butler would lead this private Army to DC, this action would have resulted in FDR declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law and being supported by the American people.  It was planned and would have succeeded, however, Butler, being a Marine in true form, revealed the plot and FDR had to be happy just being a President.  The investigation went lame and just disappeared from sight.  Among the powers that be, it was decided that the main way to recover and still achieve this goal was to involve the U.S. in a war.  Note that in 1927 was the start of Standard Oil supporting Germany by refining the oil necessary to begin WWII.

NOTE: Replay or chance repeat of history in the St Petersburg massacre in 1905 or even better the 12 September 1917 when Civil War Breaks Out in Russia as Kornilov’s Army Marches on Petrograd to assume Power.

NOTE:  Speculation from historians is that FDR knew ahead of time, would have committed active duty troops to stop the treason, and have a mass slaughter, St. Petersburg worked once, why not again.  He would have then declared Martial law and a dictatorship.  Plan fails, and is swept under the carpet.  FDR settles for a war with Japan and entering the World war by setting up Pearl Harbor.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

“But onward Christian soldiers and all that rot. I’m not being judgmental I’m just saying that good men like yourself (I’m assuming, I don’t know for sure and haven’t read your 2000 year old multiple authored biography) have been coerced into doing the unthinkable by corrupt, coercive forces beyond their comprehension.”

*******read “War is a Racket” by Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC retired, who won 3 medal of honors and turned one down making it two officially, discovered this exact point.  He was also offered a deal to organize a coup of the US Government in 1933. He blew the whistle. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PUmMC5P8IE

***They are mistaken in the film about FDR.  they are not aware of his evil intent. 

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

It might be noted that they had demanded immediate payment of bonuses due them according to the Adjusted Service Certificate Law of 1924. They were called the Bonus Army and were led by Walter W. Waters, a former Army sergeant, and encouraged by an appearance from retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, who had considerable influence over the veterans, being one of the most popular military figures of the time. The bonus, however, wasn’t due to be paid until 1945; and a few days after Butler’s appearance, the marchers were by decree of President Herbert Hoover removed, their camps destroyed by US Army cavalry troops under the command of General Douglas MacArthur.[ Business Plot; From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]

lololol…I just found this…..smile)  i’m dying here….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjmscPrsSF0&NR=1

you got to be kidding me…....what would General Butler have to say about this tribute….lolol.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

“Take heart though TG. They clearly separated us.”
*****none of us were born believers.  We were born rebellious.  We like to think of the new born baby as innocent and cute.  Well, the reality is the baby is cute but was born on the day to be rebellious.  He/she was not born with kindness, but with rebellion and wants.  The baby’s nature takes shape after a period of time and at birth…..was given free will to chose.  Whether good home, bad home, or whatever, the freedom of choice is there.   

“First, at one point in your life you would have killed another person in the name of Jesus even though that would never be condoned by Jesus.”
*****We learn from the false teachings that comes from our history which is mostly fabricated and this can be proven without a doubt in any court of law and with no refutation from ANY history professor in any college or university.  Our entire history is full of bunk and lies.  The results are true, heros are true for the most part with some exaggerations, the electic light was not invented by Edison who was a lying sack of cross wires.  The invention was stolen from N. Tesla by JP Morgan and Edison took credit in history.  The Communist Manifesto was not written by Karl Marx.  Karl Marx plagarized the root document provided to him by Albert Pike who got it from an ANCESTOR of FDR, Clinton Roosevelt in 1841 also a Mason.  He got it from Adam Weishaupt who wrote it in 1776, a former candidate for the Jesuits.  FDR should be tried from the grave for the murder of 2,000 marines and sailors at Pearl Harbor as being mostly responsible for direct and planned provocation to start WW II for us.  reference “Lt.Col. McCollum’s memo”.  declass, 1994.  Wall Street fully funded Hitler to ensure that the Nazi party was off and running to start WWII.  Prescott Bush, DuPont family, henry Ford, Rockefeller’s, and many more, were main contributors….through I.G. Farbin Chemical Cartel in 1928.  AIG…guess what they do and who they connect.  smile)  Wall Street FUNDED the Bolsheviks, American and Europeans elite funded Lenin and the Russian Revolution…...shall I continue with these historical facts that you won’t see in the worthless history books. 
“Even a “commie” would have been loved by Jesus and surely not killed by him under any circumstance even if that “commie” undermined whatever man-made construct Jesus would have represented.”
******That is true exactly.  we both agree but what did I know then.  However, the concept of communism was born in the United States by Adam Weishaupt to Clinton Roosevelt to Albert Pike,Mason to Marx to set up WWI, WWII and WWIII, from 1850-1871.  Communism and socialism became a force in the 1850’s after Marx finished his copying and rewriting.  Now to place it into the hands of activist. 
“In simpler terms the United States be damned I will not kill to protect it. I think that is WWJD in that case.”

******these people will kill you as they too have been fooled into thinking you are an enemy.  It boils down to self protection.

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By Annie Reitano, February 2, 2009 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

“*****nope.  written by the hand of men but by witnesses of God’s presence, miracles and through the inspiration of God’s power, actual words and presence it was put together.”

Where are these witnesses today?  Fundamentalists preach from a book that’s entirely different from the original papal Bible.  How is it that god allowed that one to slip by? 

David Koresh said he was the messiah.  He was a maniac to my way of thinking.  But, how do you know that he wasn’t the messiah?  You’re so quick to believe what has been preached to you about men from 2000 years ago, but I would bet you didn’t believe Mr Koresh.  Why not?  There were some who did and most perished for it.  Why not you?  Afterall, you believe the unseen and unprovable.  At least he showed up in your lifetime.

It’s just habit.  It shows how the fundies will believe a book, but if a real messiah came, they would burn his house down just like they did Koresh’s.  It’s all nonsense.

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By Hemi*, February 2, 2009 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Here is a segment taken from the website The Skeptic’s Dictionary
that seems to describe us TG. I think you’ll get a kick out this. This comes under the title:

Illuminati, The New World Order & Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs)

“In the paranoid mind, the Illuminati succeeded in their goals, and have now infiltrated every government and every aspect of society. They are responsible for every evil and every unjust act that ever occurs anywhere; the fact that absolutely no evidence of their existence can be found only serves to make them stronger and more frightening. They are the demon in the closet, and will probably never disappear from the paranoid fantasy world of right-wing conspiracy theorists. -New England Skeptical Society

There are several “sects” of PCTs. Among the more popular are the militant Christian fundamentalist branch and the UFO/alien branch. They each think the others are evil or nuts but their paranoia has the same focus: the end is near.”

And there lies the rub!

Take heart though TG. They clearly separated us. But I don’t think you are evil or nuts. At least no more so than myself. I know, faint praise from a non-believer.

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By Hemi*, February 2, 2009 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

TG,

First, at one point in your life you would have killed another person in the name of Jesus even though that would never be condoned by Jesus. Even a “commie” would have been loved by Jesus and surely not killed by him under any circumstance even if that “commie” undermined whatever man-made construct Jesus would have represented. In simpler terms the United States be damned I will not kill to protect it. I think that is WWJD in that case. But onward Christian soldiers and all that rot. I’m not being judgmental I’m just saying that good men like yourself (I’m assuming, I don’t know for sure and haven’t read your 2000 year old multiple authored biography) have been coerced into doing the unthinkable by corrupt, coercive forces beyond their comprehension.

You describe a number of men as having been exalted by men for no apparent reason. Why are the Biblical authors, translators, transcribers and hijackers above being men exalted by men for no apparent reason? Don’t bother, I’ve heard your god inspired pat answer. We know even less of these men than we do of the pope.

If “God offers us forgiveness and life eternal” it could only be that he is forced to due to our greediness in that the life he gave and that we have is not enough for us. The whole “garden” but we wanted more. And if “Satan offers hate and unforgiveness for a life time”, then you have accepted his offer for this life time. It is not that you hate or are unforgiving of others. You hate your own perceived sinfulness and refuse to forgive yourself for being human. And thus Satan has rendered you harmless against him.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

I agree with this statement completely, Tom.  If you hadn’t noticed, the Bible was authored by mere man and not some deity.

*****nope.  written by the hand of men but by witnesses of God’s presence, miracles and through the inspiration of God’s power, actual words and presence it was put together.

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By Annie Reitano, February 2, 2009 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

::“A very different trinity. As you’ve noted, they play both sides against us. It’s easy to fullfill prohesies when you have authored them. Could any of us imagine anything more evil?”::

I agree with this statement completely, Tom.  If you hadn’t noticed, the Bible was authored by mere man and not some deity.  But you’ve turned Hemi’s words into your own form of the truth when what he stated is factual and sound.  Telling us that man, god and the devil play us against each other is interesting to me.  Which one are you playing with such messages of fear?  Where are your messages of love?  Or did they just get washed away with YHWH’s version of love when he killed the firstborn child of every Egyption because he was ticked at their parents for disregarding the feeling of his favourite people—the Jews?  And yet, he’s supposedly not a respecter of persons….on and on the problems with the story go.

And I don’t see where you’ve responded to Shenon’s query of you that ANYONE can write a blog about whatever they believe…it means nothing to me.  I search for facts, you search for scary-tails with no validity whatsoever.  You are looking for “dirt” so that you can have your day at armageddon and meet your King with smiles and clapping.  Meanwhile, the rest of us who “get left behind” (haha) will be burned with fire and brimstone.  What does all of that say about you and your king?

You’re philosophy is evil.  That is what it tells me.  Your king is evil…he creates a faulty world only to be beaten to death as a human, then comes back to get you and those who believe what you do to take to the REAL heaven where he didn’t screw things up…and everyone else he kills. 

Huge problems with this dogma.  HUGE.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

“You see?  You have projected your thoughts of fear and paranoia because the government let you down”

*****I am busy today, but I do want to bring this up.  Remember the info I gave you about the concentration camps in the US?  Well, meet them officially…..HR 645 actual detention centers of which there are over 3,000 empty and ready to start receiving.  I have no fear and no paranoia just absolute facts that are irrefutable

http://thecaptiansquarters.blogspot.com/2009/02/bill-creates-detention-camps-in-us.html

The proposed bill, which has received little mainstream media attention, appears designed to create the type of detention center that those concerned about use of the military in domestic affairs fear could be used as concentration camps for political dissidents, such as occurred in Nazi Germany.

Heed the warning of a former Hitler Youth who sees America on the same path as pre-Nazi Germany in “Defeating the Totalitarian Lie”

The bill also appears to expand the president’s emergency power, much as the executive order signed by President Bush on May 9, 2007, that – as WND reported – gave the president the authority to declare an emergency and take over the direction of all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments without even consulting Congress.

As also reported, DHS has awarded a $385 million contract to Houston-based KBR, Halliburton’s former engineering and construction subsidiary, to build temporary detention centers on an “as-needed” basis in national emergency situations.

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By tgambill, February 2, 2009 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

“You’ve not only given unto Caesar but given unto God and the one point you have missed is that Caesar(man) and God(good) and Satan(evil) are one in the same.

*****they are not the same by any stretch.  God gave us Free will with a set of standards to live by and obey.  Its simple.  He loves us whether we obey or now, however our disobendience has its consequences.  Caesar is just a man like you and like me as the pope is no different.  The pope is just a man exaulted by men for no apparent reason to tell the truth.  God offers us forgiveness and life eternal and Satan offers hate and unforgiveness for a life time.  Do the math. 


A very different trinity. As you’ve noted, they play both sides against us. It’s easy to fullfill prohesies when you have authored them. Could any of us imagine anything more evil?

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By Annie Reitano, February 2, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Hi Tom!

Let’s assume for a moment that you’re not shell-shocked and suffering from PTSD.

Let’s also assume that what YOU say is the truth.  How, then, do you know that the time is “very, very short”...if the Jewish Temple has not yet been built?  Maybe it will take a century to rebuild it with all that war going on.  Why do you send signals of fear to others?  Because it motivates people faster than any other emotion, that’s why.  For shame!

It’s my experience that we project what we feel.  It is true that in the everyday world we rely on our experiences and what we’ve learned in order for that projection to be made sound and reasonable.  Your’s, however is not.  You say that you know the KJV and Jesus only and that he didn’t bring religion…but brought redemption.  Why is it that the real truth (according to you) wasn’t written until the 16th century by King James?  Why did Jesus wait to bring the whole truth and nothing but?  Also, why is it that you believe Jesus didn’t bring religion, knowing that he sure practiced it (concider what happened to the money-changers), and he also asked that his disciples be like him?

You see?  You have projected your thoughts of fear and paranoia because the government let you down.  And while I understand that, it still does NOT make the bible or any part of it valid.  It simply is an out of date book.  Nothing more.  You may as well read the Qu’raan.  There are some pretty spooky things in there as well.  There’s enough in there to drive people to strapping on bombs.

Scary, fairy-tales that produce no evidence, much less proof, should be ignored completely if we ever hope for a more peaceful world.  Riding on the coat tails of fear, guilt and anxiety is not love.  It is abhorrent abuse.  And I cannot imagine any deity, be it YHWH, Allah, or Jesus being so cruel and unkind as to allow this strain of superstitious fear to continue through violence in their name.  For if any one of them are real…what does that say about them?

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By Hemi*, February 2, 2009 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

TG,

I appreciate your candid response. I am not trying to assign blame as we are all human but I am trying to support my position. While at one point in your life you considered “kill a commie for Christ”. Following your realization of the evil guiding your actions your faith in the book disarmed you against that evil the NWO. Kill the innocent but don’t lay a finger on the devil. Yes, they “actually funded and started both sides” in these various conflicts. So what would stop them from prophesying their own triumphs over humanity centuries in advance? By writing the “New Testament” they actually disarmed all future dissenters. They turned the militant Jewish Testaments that protected their tribe from Roman aggression into a new passive form that let tyranny reign with but a promise as it’s reward. They gave the world “hope” as our new president is known to throw around. Hope never amounts to much. At least we have hope! Very simple to give hope or a promise while robbing you blind. I’m not stocking the pantry with “hope” for the end times.

And so, if you agree with them you “kill a commie for Christ”. If you disagree you retreat to Matthew 5:44 “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”. Thus you have been brainwashed not to stop the evil but to accept that all has been prophesized. Just like the conquered peasants of Rome. There’s nothing you can do but prepare for your worldly demise and the promise of eternal life in another realm. You’ve not only given unto Caesar but given unto God and the one point you have missed is that Caesar(man) and God(good) and Satan(evil) are one in the same. A very different trinity. As you’ve noted, they play both sides against us. It’s easy to fullfill prohesies when you have authored them. Could any of us imagine anything more evil?

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By tgambill, February 1, 2009 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Light, All prophesies to day have come to pass.  The truth that is more accurate than tomorrows newspaper is the KJV of the Bible.  Secondly, there are only two more prophesies waiting to be fulfilled, falling away of the Church; which is now happening and the rebuilding of the temple by the Jews..to begin sacrifices….No dates not 2012, no nostradamus, or whomever, just plain truth and the time is very very short.

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By lastdaywatchers, February 1, 2009 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

If you want to know with 100% accuracy the May 15th Prophecy is the ONLY proven source that will give you the correct answer to what is about to NEXT

Click on the LastDayWatchers name and you will see!, or Google search the May 15th Prophecy

Because none of what yall are saying is coming to pass and you are just talking out the side of your neck

If you want real truth it up to you to read what GOD has provided!

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By tgambill, February 1, 2009 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

sheno, I’ve been trying to tell you and link up the reality of this lie we are living.  You as an atheist and me as a Christian, although I don’t trust religion nor follow “religion”, I follow the KJV and Jesus Only.  Religous dogma was designed by man to lead man from truth, control and start wars.  Jesus did not bring religion to us, he brought redemption. 

Anyway, the objectives of the NWO is directly given in prophesy from the prophets of the Bible.  It is really happening and they are closing in with their evil scheme.  It is directly linked with Biblical prophesy.  This is my only agenda is to warn those in my “area”, personal, internet or whomever I get in contact that the Bible is the living Word of God and it is now coming to pass right before our very eyes.  You and I haven’t seen anything yet.  Jesus is real….his redemption is real and the prophesy is coming true now.

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By tgambill, February 1, 2009 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

“Maybe you did at some point.”

*****:))  I resigned in May 2004, went public in 2005 and allowed my testimony to be put in the book, “The Coming Balkan Caliphate”.  While in the Marines, I was a “Christian” but I was of the frame of mind to “kill a commie for Christ.”  Little did I know that our fellow American not only funded lenin in 1905, Bolsheviks in 1915 timeframe, and fully finded Hitler in 1928.    I also always thought that we really fought for democracy and freedom blah blah blah….but I come to find out our elite and Europe’s elite actually funded and started both sides of every single war for profit and collection of debts and to further the NWO agenda.  We have lived a lie exactly since May 1, 1776.  its all been a facade.  Evidence is in fact irrefutable and all one has to do is look for it.  That trail has been already blazed.  A Major General in the Marines, named Smedley D. Butler won three medals of honor and turned one down due to him not believing that he deserved it…...found out the same thing.  He wrote “War is a Racket”....interesting reading, google it.

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By Hemi*, February 1, 2009 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

TG,

A little presumption on my part here. I presume you were a Christian prior to and while in the military. In that time did you ever do anything to further the NWO agenda? What about in Eastern Europe? This is not a tribunal, I am curious how you handled that in that I assume nearly everything the military and the UN is doing and has done furthers the NWO agenda. And if so why not opt out? Maybe you did at some point.

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By Shenonymous, February 1, 2009 at 8:22 am Link to this comment

Okay, what the f is going on?  tgam, what is going on?  What is this new guy talking about? My atheiist head is getting all gummed up.  If he is right, then what can I be atheistic about?  No, you are not telling the whole truth tgambill.  I am feeling a bit sick.

Don’t you know tgambill that youtube will let anybody say anything.  How do you check out what you watch?  Do you check it out?  I suspect you don’t.  You are so slick to get everybody else to do your research. You always say you do research but you don’t, tgambill.  I’ve been watching you do this for almost a year.  Cool man, a real tomsawyer. 

Well I check stuff out.  I checked out your youtube video and check that out too!  Using the quasi report of 50 usc [u.s. Code], Sec. 1520 Jan. 16, 1996, title 50 - War and national defense, Chapter 32 - Chemical and biological warfare program is a real crock of puke!  I say quasi, because it parades as a real report, but it is invention of the freak who runs zianet.com/web who really wrote it citing a dead actor Robert Stack’s old Unsolved Mysteries television program that gives no sources for its accusations.  What a crock.  First there is the conspiracies then the reliance on a personal interpretation of the KJB for trooth, which is a sin, then television programs for nothing even remotely related to the trooth.  I don’t mind arguing religion with you because at least there is a book for reference to which we can all check out the trooth of your loquacious interpretations, and which we can do with the same degree of credibility that you can.  Who is to say your views are more correct than mine?  Did your God publish that somewhere?  I don’t think so.

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By tgambill, February 1, 2009 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

This is what they are doing and people still aren’t getting it.  Its all about the NWO.  They always warn ahead and let you know and then they do it.  An excuse or a scapegoat for denialability purposes is set up.  They also practice before the major operation.


THE CHEMTRAIL RAIN - Biological warfare TESTED against a small U.S. town

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxxoBSVQaVg&feature=email

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By Hemi*, February 1, 2009 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

TG, good answers, I will look further into the subject.

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By tgambill, February 1, 2009 at 2:03 am Link to this comment

Touching them and writing them same thing.  I could answer the questions, by spending a little time researching and working for the “most succinct” and complete answer.  You and I both know that the questions are not asked to find the answer but to find my answer so that you can attempt to debunk it.  The Best answer comes from you.  You spend the time for honest research and with no loyalty to any group, family, political persuasion, or even membership but to find truth no matter what.  You need to find those answer with good old fashioned desire to find truth.  God created all of us with a reasoning mind and free will. 

“To blindly accept that which to me is clearly the work of power-hungry, jealous, greedy men is ludicrous.”

****you are already making a false assumption   Not a good start to finding truth. 

“I will be corrected if I am wrong due to the confusion caused by my human limitations and punished eternally by the jealous vengeful god of the confusing book that contains both approval of slavery and love for my fellow man”

*****Again false assumptions and incorrect conclusions by a country mile.  The book is everything but confusing.   

We are punished by our own lack of following Gods commandments. 

“I will suffer my humanity and I will suffer any punishment attached to that as I have little choice but I will not suffer a heavenly tyrant any more than an earthly one.”

******you have all the choices that you need to make either good or evil,  No exceptions. The tyrant is Satan. 

***** The same types you apparently fear as Illuminati.

Make no mistake, it’s not the Illuminati that I see fear.  With Christ all things are possible.

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By Hemi*, January 31, 2009 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment

TG,

“The Illuminati didn’t touch the Scriptures as this is proven since the final draft of the Bible in 1611.”

I didn’t ask if they touched them, I asked if they wrote them. Who in 1611 translated from the original Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek or whatever the Q documents were in? Why were they qualified? And who qualified them to translate? What about the missing Gospels? Why weren’t they the “word of God”? Was the Council of Nicaea composed of only those in touch with God’s will?

If a god created me, he created me with a reasoning mind and if that were the case it would be his will that I use it. To blindly accept that which to me is clearly the work of power-hungry, jealous, greedy men is ludicrous. I will be corrected if I am wrong due to the confusion caused by my human limitations and punished eternally by the jealous vengeful god of the confusing book that contains both approval of slavery and love for my fellow man. I will suffer my humanity and I will suffer any punishment attached to that as I have little choice but I will not suffer a heavenly tyrant any more than an earthly one. I respectfully suggest that despite your familiarity with the writings and your adept mental gymnastics that you are following the rantings of the afore mentioned power-hungry, jealous, greedy men of old. The same types you apparently fear as Illuminati. The same types that currently fill pulpits. And so they have infiltrated every human endeavor with the exclusion of one book. A book of untold revisions and translations. And I repeat my earlier question, who documented Gethsemane as everyone was asleep?

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

The Illuminati is setting it up, with project Bluebeam, fake and erroneous bible translations, and the Charasmatic movement, with fake TV evangelicals…..and then you have this twist.

http://theedgeam.com/edgetube/play/Edge_Staff_Special_Reports/The_Holographic_Rapture

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

The Illuminati didn’t touch the Scriptures as this is proven since the final draft of the Bible in 1611.  IF they did, then you have to ask yourself why are they trying so hard to change it and discredit their own tool.  smile  and get rid of it.  Why does the Bible expose them as evil, and helps to fight them with the spirit.  People will believe what they want, and many do not have the ears to hear nor the eyes to see until its too late or they have to endure the Tribulations.

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

Its going to get interesting, as of yesterday Florida, Maryland, Utah Banks Shut as Financial Crisis Deepens By Ari Levy Jan. 31 (Bloomberg)— as regulators wrapped up the busiest month for failures since the housing slump began in 2006., Russia has riots now, France, Mexico, Iceland went bankrupt and more, this is all perfectly orchestrated for the big crash.  Satan is working harder now as time draws near.  The King James Version of the Holy Bible is the only true word of God.  The Bible tells us that according to just one for example, as there are more, Romans 10:9, tells us that God is a personal God and he came down to Earth as Jesus to take our punishment so that we can have everlasting God.  We can’t second guess or create God in our image.  I talked to someone on via Youtube comments that makes up her own gods.  How can we create the god that has already created us?  we can’t.  There is but one God, one parent and he is coming back soon by way of Jesus Christ after the Rapture.  The ONLY way to God is through Jesus Christ, and not even Mary.  Mary can’t hear your prayers nor would God hear her pray for us.  MARY didn’t die on the cross…..ONLY JESUS.  There is coming a leader after this “conspiracy kicks off” that will be accepted by all religions.  He will be a false god and this person will become most evil.  For sure.  We can’t outthink or put parameters on God.  His character, personality and salvation is very well put in the Bible and its timeless.  Time is very very close at hand.

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By Hemi*, January 31, 2009 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

Folks, what if the Illuminists wrote the scriptures setting us up for what is believed to be forthcoming? They would appear to have that level of sophistication.

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By Hemi*, January 31, 2009 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Part 2

I thought for the first 50 years of my life that all of the god questions were answered long before I was born. My parents believed and their parents believed and so on. Who am I to waste my time questioning what the world apparently known and agreed upon long before there was a me? I was mistaken, I was brainwashed. But I’m better now. I think religion was possibly seen as a useful tool by the Illuminati and they latched onto it and guided it probably from the time of Constantine and possibly from nearly the beginning. (A talking snake? Maybe the snake was a reptilian alien. Why would god create snakes just to have them lead us astray? After all he knew all in advance.) Convincing humans there is a vengeful god that will judge them at the end of the world is perhaps the greatest deception of the Illuminati. I think it’s possible they created both sides of the coin. Good and evil, ying and yang. Got us away from that survival of the fittest mode and into a more docile form that would be more readily enslaved. With survival of the fittest there is no good or evil just life and death and we’ve been led to believe that life is good and that death is somehow evil. And yet we all will experience death and the unknown. So of course we had to invent heaven to escape death and the unknown.

Here’s another way I look at this. I am a father and I have children. My greatest joys in life have been when my children have surpassed me in any way. I don’t want my children to feel subservient to me or anyone. Why would a creative force want to create things inferior to itself? Jealousy? Insecurity? I don’t think so. I think it is more likely not there or completely indifferent. What we perceive as evil or violent is imperceptible and inconsequential to most of the universe. And most of that universe is from what we know inhospitable toward our existence. Why? I think it’s that nobody’s home. It could have and would have been a much easier ride for everybody if there was something acting like our parent. Now if you want to discuss an alien or aliens as possible explanations for god or gods then we can really spice up this forum. And as you know in the 10 commands “He” deals with that like the jealous old man he was “thou shalt have no other gods before me”. And that infers there were actually other “gods” “He”  was competing with. If it was just a golden calf why write the rule it was just a piece of metal and would have proved itself so when they died dancing around it in the dessert. But I know, he had to jump in there because they were his “chosen” bunch. More likely Moses, if he actually existed, jumped in there before they got too off track. For Pete’s sake you would think god could have given him a GPS with the damned tablets. 40 years? My wife complains if I miss the exit. No wonder they were partying around the calf, they were bored to tears. He could make planets but not a GPS? But I digress.

What would I say if I’m wrong? “Hey look, you made the book virtually unbelievable with all the corrupt crap you let them put in there. And how ‘bout a better miracle that we all could see? Like maybe a mountain levitating permanently over the ocean? Water into wine is only good if you were there. This “because I said so” just doesn’t cut it especially since we’ve never met. I’m just sayin’.

TG, I’m much more in tune with you on the existence of a conspiracy against the free peoples of this planet than I am on how we both got here and that probably strikes most of the others as rather funny. I know it does me. Maybe at some point you will present your thoughts on this and if not that’s just fine with me, I look forward to whatever you do post. There are obviously bigger fish to fry and more vital information that you can convey to this group. Thanks again.

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By Hemi*, January 31, 2009 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

Part 1

TG, I want to sincerely thank you for the information and links. This video clips are excellent proof of how honest and unconnected citizens have attempted to expose and challenge the NWO plans for decades.

We agree on much of the conspiracy material but I think we diverge at the religious aspect. I have reached a stage in life where I have questioned and come to the realization that there is no personal god/creative force guiding my corporal existence. I currently have no way of determining if this will be my only incarnation and so I live as if it will be. From reading a number of others I have toyed with the notion of once again joining a collective consciousness in a metaphysical realm. Whatever that entails, other dimensions and more, I’m not that fluent in all of this. I regard religion as a human construct to explain the unexplained and it grew like Topsy from those humble origins. I can imagine a scenario, likely one that was shared in multiple primitive civilizations in some form, where for example a human saw a boulder tumbling down a mountain or hillside due to an earthquake. This same human, having thrown or moved a much smaller rock, envisions a much larger human having thrown the boulder. And with such an experience an invisible super-human gets the credit for an as yet unexplained phenomenon. With this in mind I can see how different cultures developed gods with attributes from the natural world. And so a god of the sea, thunder, wind, fire, etc.

I have many problems with the Judeo-Christian religions. First, I think there are universal truths contained in the Torah and Bible. I think that’s what traps many people into the belief that it’s all true. Children of the world are introduced to their clan’s book by studying mostly these universal truths and not the entire volume. For instance, the Ten Commandments in it’s original form contains instructions on what not to covet the likes of:


“Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. “

But our anglicized versions of this never mention the slave part. Why? Because we have chosen not to enslave others unlike Yahweh. No I don’t think a personal god put instructions on slaves into the guidelines he handed down. I think that sounds more like the thinking of men. The reason we are not confronted by this every time we read the 10 commandments is that at some point an enlightened shlub doing a translation said “Slaves? We don’t do that, it’s time for a little rewrite.” I think it’s hilarious how the Jews are perceived as being persecuted throughout history and yet there is historical evidence throughout their Torah that they in fact were doing the same. OK to persecute others but us? Not so much! There were many traditions during the Iron Age but the Jewish book survived and so we deal with that. They were strong on literacy. The Pagans and others, not so much.

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

THE FOOLISH WILL BE SURPRISED

Matthew 24:48-51 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming ; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

THE WISE WILL NOT BE SURPRISED

Matthew 25:4-9 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.


THE BIBLE SAYS WE CAN S E E the DAY APPROACHING
Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another : and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching .


THE “DAY OF THE LORD” - THE TIMING OF ITS START
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


[WHEN Does it Come?]

1 Thessalonians 5:2-6 For when they [the unbelieving left behind] shall say, Peace and safety ; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape . But ye, brethren , [the believers] are not in darkness , that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

So, when, the people believe that “Peace and Safety” has been achieved, the Rapture will come suddenly and then comes sudden destruction- the events of Revelation 6-19.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmLhyPjHVes&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYz7AHtKfEE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5rgiLcdKVg&NR=1

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

These people believe in Satan/Lucifer and they are not playing around.  I am actually getting tired of warning people and just sitting back and wait for this to finally break in the open.  The whole idea is to increase people’s awareness so when it does happen, people won’t be shocked and freaked out not to act.  Those not expecting this will react as predicted according to the shock doctrine. 

Here is the other side of the coin…...and one of the Purposes….

http://theedgeam.com/edgetube/play/Edge_Staff_Special_Reports/The_Holographic_Rapture

Scifi movies, superman characters, TV Scifi have all been designed to prepare mankind to accept the secular belief in UFO’s, Aliens and so forth and not the Revelation of God and tribulations yet to come. 

The Rapture or disappearance of millions will be a bit hard to explain. but through encounters or abductions, Star Trek and what we learned by the transporter will explain the disappearances as the evil ones left but it will be the born again…...its still not too late.

  1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout , with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first :

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Brothers, I can not wait to hear the voice of the LORD HIMSELF shouting “Come up hither.”


“Behold, I tell you a mystery:
We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye”
(1 Cor 15:51-52)

“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” (1 Thes 4:16-18)

“For in the time of trouble (‘Jacob’s Trouble’ ... the coming Apocalypse) He shall hide me in His pavilion; in the secret place of His tabernacle he shall hide me; he shall set me high upon a rock.”
(Ps 27:5)

“Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation [the great Tribulation] is past. For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity [the coming Apocalypse]; the Earth will also disclose her blood, and will no more cover her slain.” (Isa 26:20 - 21)

“Seek the LORD, all you meek of the Earth,
Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden
in the day of the LORD’S anger.” (Zeph 2:3)

“Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial
which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the Earth.” “Behold, I come quickly!”
(Rev 3:10-11)

“But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.” (Matt 24:36)

“Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.”
“Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.” (Matt 24:40-42)

“Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” (Luke 12:40)

“But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren,
you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.” (1 Thes 5:1-2)

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

TV and movies are in fact owned and designed by the Rockefeller foundations and elites for launching a massive brainwashing campaign since at least 1938.  The education system in fact was targeted as far back as 1904 to misdirect the education making this denial and lack of awareness possible.  They actually tell you up front what they are going to do even though it is masked as a movie, TV program or other means.  They hide the truth in plain sight like you have demonstrated by the placement into movies and TV and books so that the truth is considered fiction but when it happens it is burned in the subconcious as fact.  Clever operate conditioning. 

I don’t make this stuff up….its has everything to do with this article as well….

The Frankfurt School began its ‘Radio Research Project’ in 1937 with funding from the Rockefeller Foundation. The purpose of the project was to test the hypothesis that radio could be used to “atomize” and manipulate the thinking of the population. Frankfurt School ideologue Theodore Adorno had observed that people “listen atomistically and dissociate what they hear… They are not childlike… but they are childish; their primitivism is not that of the undeveloped, but that of the forcibly retarded.” Among the findings of the Radio Research Project were

1) People tend to become addicted to the radio based on a “what happens next?” format.

2) Listeners react to format, not content, as in the famous Orson Welles, War of the Worlds broadcast which many believed was describing an actual invasion, in spite of the fact that there were repeated clear warnings that the show was fictional, and

3) Repetition is the key to popularity. That is, if you play it enough, people will think it’s good, even if it’s awful, and, most importantly, they will believe it, even if it’s a lie. Any lie can become popular opinion if it is repeated enough times on the radio.

30 October 1938 - The plan to create an artificial extraterrestrial threat to the Earth was first mentioned by the Marxist, John Dewey.
“Some one remarked that the best way to unite all the nations on this globe would be an attack from some other planet. In the face of such an alien enemy, people would respond with a sense of their unity of interest and purpose.” John Dewey, New York 1917.

The premise was tested for credibility with the CBS presentation of War Of The Worlds on the CBS Radio Network by Orson Welles and the Mercury Theatre. At 8:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, on the evening of October 30, 1938, the night before All Saints Day, now generally celebrated as Halloween, an estimated six million Americans listened to the famous Orson Welles broadcast, War Of The Worlds. The broadcast described an extraterrestrial invasion from Mars. An estimated one million sheople responded with sustained credulity and fear. Thousands responded with sheer panic.  The broadcast was a psychological warfare experiment conducted by The Princeton Radio Project. The Rockefeller Foundation funded the project in the fall of 1937. An Office of Radio Research was set up with Paul F. Lazarsfeld as director. Frank Stanton and Hadley Cantril were named associate directors. Cantril used a special grant from the General Education Board to study the effects of the broadcast. Cantril published the study as a book titled The Invasion From Mars - A Study In The Psychology Of Panic. It contains a complete script of the broadcast. The book is one of a series of studies sponsored by the Federal Radio Education Committee.

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By Shenonymous, January 31, 2009 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, that’s what comes from watching too much TV.

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By christian96, January 31, 2009 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

To Shenomymous——I based my comment about the
poor security of imports in Long Beach based upon
a documentary I saw either on The History Channel
or The National Geographic channel.

To Tgambill—-You might be interested in a comment
I recently posted about Germany following the
article “Obama Must Halt America’s Moral Decline.”
The article is no longer on the Home page.  If you
click on “reports” you will find the article.

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

the spirit world is more real than we are.  We are temporary.  One of Satans greatest achievements was to convince the World that he does not exist.  This allows him to operate and influence and not be given credit which serves him well.  The idea is to separate our actions from what God describes as sins and keeps us from having eternal life.  To others he comes to them as Satan, doing evil and they identify with that, and to the elect as Lucifer, son of the morning Star, benevolent and all wise but inside as evil as anyone can imagine.  These things are invisible and spiritual and only understood through the scriptures of the true word of God. 

Many people imagine that what we see, touch, hear, and taste are the only truly real items.  Actually through the ages, Philospher’s have realized that these senses are not truely real.  They are temporary and often deceptive.  You cannot only rely on your senses.  Paul himself said that the things seen are fleeting and the things that are not seen are eternal.  Shenom, our sensory world is passing away and only partly real because it does not endure.  2 Corinth. 4:18.  The Spiritual world that we cannot see that we cannot perceive with our senses is the true reality.  With this reality the constrait of time is removed to reveal spiritual beings that live in an eternal world which we are not able to perceive as of yet. 

God is in control and the Revelation will come to its fruition.

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

It is directly tied to the discussion and it brings this discussion to our daily life.  The False Jesus that is going to appear is using these very forces that we are talking about.  It is a fact that there are over 3,000 FEMA concentration camps in the US, over 1,000,000++ UN and Russian troops on the North American Continent, ready to invade soon.  It is a fact that the CIA is orchestrating a massive crime wave using MS-13, and LGF Mexican gangs in 3,500 cities after the next incident to allow Obama to declare Martial Law and thus lead the US into a dictatorship as has been planned since FDR was the first major traitor.  Now, these people planning all this are Luciferian and Satanist that are called the Illuminati.  They are linked to the coming anti-Christ or the next world leader that will declare himself God.  This is sooner than later. 

The next anti-christ will be the actual one and is groomed to be the returning Jesus.  There are foundations and groups that are setting up the new Christ and discrediting the truth of Jesus.  This article is just one such effort as evidenced in the falling away of the so called; “men of God” I have mentioned before.  It has everything to do with thei true agenda.  They are going to kill millions and destroy the US as a separate nation.  The North american union is already signed as of two years ago, the AMERO is set up to be the next currency by 2010.  Better research this before responding as I have already.  Its going to get ugly.  this article is designed to discredit the real Jesus with this fake one and make room for the most evil dictator in the history of mankind.  He will appear peaceful and kind at first…then It will be Hell on Earth.

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

Christian96, did you know that Mazzini and four others FOUNDED the Mafia.  The Mafia was designed by the Illuminati to in fact organize crime and assassins since the 1890’s.  This is why the CIA and Mafia work hand in hand and for deniability.

It was this band of criminals that Mazzini gave the name ‘Mafia’, which was an acronym for Mazzini, Autorizza, Furti, Incendi, and Avvelengmenti. Known as the Mafiosi, they were authorized by Mazzini to commit thefts, arson and murder. It was this organization that came to America during the 1890’s with the beginning of Italian immigration.

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By Shenonymous, January 31, 2009 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Well one is about a tangible security system (people known who are physically involved), tgambill, the other, a is fictionalized anthropomorphomized character invented in an old story book.  I’d go with what the real person says over what someone who alleges a supernatural being exists.

What in the world are you and others unknown talking about?  This is truly weird stuff that showed up on this forum.  Secret whats?  FEMA whats?  Have you gone over to another darkside tgam?  I understood your position on Jesus, but this stuff is off the wall.  Is this a secret game you are playing with somebodies? 

Hey Annie, what do you think about this new non-religious stuff?

Well I’ll keep feets to the fire on the Jesus thing.  This other stuff is totally out of my ballpark.

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Secret FEMA Plan To Use Pastors as Pacifiers in Preparation For Martial Law Nationwide initiative trains volunteers to teach congregations to “obey the government” during seizure of guns, property, forced inoculations and forced relocation
 
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | May 24 2006
 
A Pastor has come forward to blow the whistle on a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to “obey the government” in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.
 
In March of this year the Pastor, who we shall refer to as Pastor Revere, was invited to attend a meeting of his local FEMA chapter which circulated around preparedness for a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.

The FEMA directors told the Pastors that attended that it was their job to help implement FEMA and Homeland Security directives in anticipation of any of these eventualities. The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often taken out of context bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to “obey the government” when martial law is declared.
 
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/240506femaplan.htm

Bush Admits to lying??????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSBgGXoNgrQ&feature=related
 
FEMA coffins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYp85QMJd1Q
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MPgpK0uHfk&feature=related
 
Red and Blue lists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K9dgqKmJ50&feature=related
 
Secret Session
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6oa_VwiPvM&NR=1
 
verichip mark of the beast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpj4HRmJFiU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adM9V-gFV00
 
Official mention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgcZUIc3oks&feature=related
 
JESUS CHRIST is there and waiting….....................
we are in the final days and all can be well, just some rocky roads ahead.

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

http://www.rense.com/general17/statebystate.htm

NOTE:  Now guess what…...?/ they want to make them legal right under our noses….no, but wait, Wasn’t there presidents there since 1984…..?  /sarc

Congress Seeks To Authorize & Legalize FEMA Camp Facilities Published on 01-26-2009
   
http://www.roguegovernment.com/Congress_Seeks_To_Authorize_&_Legalize_FEMA_Camp_Facilities/14007/0/13/13/Y/M.html

Text of H.R. 645: To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

NOTE:  How about Transportation…..??  Auto bailout was to mask the purchase of thousands of SUV’s by the government and there was a major hiring of FBI agents this month. 

NOT FOR CARs on the road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPhHHqSZxs&feature=related

The very beginning of the filming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rx-r1yjY68&feature=related

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

NOTE:  Folks, the SAME MAP, SAME REGIONS AND SAME PLAN…..It was revoked in 1978 so as not to be discovered or on the records.  Out of sight out of mind…...NOT TODAY!!!!!!!  Now, they have the concentration camps legalized as I said, over 3,000 of them, and now they have the North American Union plans ready for 2010, and the Real ID Act, National ID Card, that was supposed to go into effect in May 2008.  It was pushed back to 2009, speculation, that the planned bombing of Iran in the Fall of 2007 was discovered and 9 Air Force personnel from Minot to Barksdale, 6 nukes under the B52, if you remember.  They were in my humble opinion murdered by CIA Nilhilist after they were going to break the silence.  The bombing of Iran had to wait, the Real ID Card Act was delayed as was everything else. 
 
NOW WE KNOW…...why this speech was made…....
 
First indication by Jack Brooks in session 1984
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ
 
Peter DeFazio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk&NR=1
 
Rep, Ryan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiUDKI0ptyk&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEDuXyRQR28&feature=related
 
GETMO was a practice for the USA citizens not Islamic, Al Qaeda members. 
 
Here are the traitors leading us to a dictorship…...
Bill Clinton is asked about Concentration camps (clean)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPsHPKY0y8&feature=related

NOTE:  This was published 8 years ago….........!!!!!!

State-By-State Index Of Potential
US Concentration Camps
CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN AMERICA
From http://gulagamerika.homestead.com
Revised September 18, 2001
11-26-1

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

In Executive Order No. 11647, the President decreed:
“There is hereby established a Federal Regional Council for each of the ten standard federal regions. Each Council shall be composed of the directors of the regional offices of the Departments of Labor, Health, Education, and Welfare, and Housing and Urban Development, the Secretarial Representative of the Department of Transportation, and the directors of the regional offices of the Office of Economic Opportunity, the Environmental Protection Agency, and the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration.

“The President shall designate one member of each such council as chairman of that council and such chairman shall serve at the pleasure of the President. Representatives of the Office of Management and Budget may participate in any deliberations of each council.”

The “ten standard federal regions” referred to by Nixon were delineated by him in a press release issued by the White House on May 21, 1969. Purporting to “streamline the structure and processes of federal agencies in the field,” the President then gave the alignment for the federal regions as follows: (The city in parentheses is the federal capital of each region.)

•    REGION I (Boston) - Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont.
•  REGION II (New York City) - New York, New Jersey, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.
•  REGION III (Philadelphia) -Delaware, District of Columbia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia.
•  REGION IV (Atlanta) -Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee.
•  REGION V (Chicago) -Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin.
•  REGION VI (Dallas-Fort Worth) Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas.
•  REGION VII (Kansas City) - Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and Nebraska.
•  REGION VIII (Denver) - Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming.
•  REGION IX (San Francisco) -Arizona, California, Hawaii, and Nevada.
•  REGION X (Seattle) - Alaska, Idaho, Oregon, and Washington.
As can be noted in the foregoing list, in all cases the lines drawn for these federal regions cross State lines, thus to all intents and purposes obliterating the sovereignty of the States.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/beware_metro.html

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

shenom,

“Just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean security does not exist.  You don’t have any idea what they do to keep the harbor safe.”

*****Just because you can’t see God doesn’t mean that he does not exist even though the evidence as laid out in the Bible says that he does.  The thing is that you do have an idea who is keeping us close through his son Jesus christ.

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

I remember the planned coup of 1970-1974 with Nixon, Watergate and the fact that Americans had to many guns…...they cancelled the COUP and civil war. 
 
Now watch this little gem…......page down to 181 of 238…..of the attachment of “Transition2009” leaked FEMA current plan.
 
NOTE:  If you can’t download the document then know that on page 181 is a map of the FEMA regions. 
 
Quote:  REMINDS ME OF KOSOVO when I was there, a third world country…..I wonder.
 
The FEMA Regions
VISION FOR ROBUST REGIONS
Building strong Regions is a core tenet of the FEMA and a critical enabler for each of the objectives in the FEMA Strategic Plan.
 
The Region is the essential echelon of FEMA that engages most directly with State partners and disaster victims to deliver frontline services. It is the Region that can build and nurture State and local capabilities across the
spectrum of prevention, preparedness, protection, disaster operations, disaster assistance, mitigation, and continuity programs. It is also the Region that will lead the Federal response and recovery efforts for incidents across the spectrum of all-hazards events. A strong FEMA will rely on strong Regions to maintain the trust and confidence of governors, leaders in the private sector, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), volunteer organizations, and citizens of our homeland.  Strong Regions means more than having additional resources to deliver frontline services; it also means uniform operating structures and policies to consistently implement national policies throughout the country.
MISSION
The Regions’ mission parallels and augments the FEMA HQ mission. The mission of the FEMA Regional Offices is to reduce the loss of life and property and to support the development of a regional, all-hazards, risk-based emergency management system through communication, collaboration and coordination with current and new stakeholders, including, but not limited to, Federal agencies, States, Tribal nations, localities, business and industry, faith-based organizations, NGOs, and State and local volunteer organizations.
 
FEMA Regional Administrator:
 
The 10 Regional Administrators (RAs) report directly to the FEMA Administrator, who exercises direct oversight and supervisory responsibilities.
 
Regional Office:
 
The Regional Office (RO) represents a microcosm of FEMA with the responsibility to implement the broad spectrum of FEMA policies and programs at the Regional level. Regions are expected to adhere to programmatic and administrative guidance provided by FEMA Headquarters’ organizations, so as to maintain a consistent application of national initiatives.
Programmatic guidance may come from HQ counterparts in the form of policies, standards, priorities, and administrative direction. In the course of implementation, Regions also prepare standard operating procedures and/or guidance in support of HQ policy and doctrine that address the regional specific risks, geography, stakeholders, and other characteristics.

The Region is also the principal conduit for the delivery and integration of programs, services, and support to Federal, State, Tribal, Territory, and local governments; NGOs; the private sector; and citizens. This includes:

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By Shenonymous, January 31, 2009 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

Fear is a fierce and irrational companion especially when fanned by ignorance.  A relative was the customs inspector for the Long Beach harbor and you are completely wrong about how secure that place is.  Probably the safest place on the planet!  Just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean security does not exist.  You don’t have any idea what they do to keep the harbor safe.

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By christian96, January 31, 2009 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

Tgambill——Your comment about FEMA establishing
10 sites to replace states is kind of scary since
Revelation talks about a 10 headed beast.  Do you
know where I could read that on the internet?  In
2004, I went to California to assist my 86 year old
aunt with Alzheimers.  One day, I caught a train to
Long Beach to tour the Queen Mary.  I read where
Long Beach is the largest area for imports and does
very little to search the large number of railcars
coming in from other nations.  Seems it would be
easy for terrorists to use that area.  Also, the
train I was riding would stop periodically for
passengers to enter and exit the train.  There was
absolutely no screening of passengers.  I thought,
“Lord, let me get off this train before someone steps
on with a bomb!”  By the way, while looking for a
lawyer I thought, “I don’t know any of these people
so I’ll ask each lawyer if he/she happens to be a
Christian.”  Then, I thought, “I could probably find
a Christian used car salesman before I could find a
Christian lawyer.”  After interviewing several lawyers I finally found one who said he is a Christian.  I hired him.  After the court awarded me
custody of my aunt, my lawyer recommended a real
estate agent.  He got me to sign a contract which
was significantlly below what the house was worth.
What did I know?  I was a stranger.  Thank God, a
lady commissioner working for the court discovered
the discrepancy.  She said the court would accept
bids on the house.  I fired the deceptive real estate
agent and hired a truly Christian real estate agent.
My so-called Christian lawyer got mad because I fired
his real estate friend and drug the case out over
two years until I finally received a letter from him
saying he could not represent me because the California Bar Association had censored him for
misconduct in another case.  I, then, hired a lady
lawyer I had met and trusted.  She got my aunts case
finished.  The Christian real estate agent sold my
aunt’s house for significantly more money.  I learned
Jesus’ words, “You shall know Christians by their
works(behaviors).”

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By tgambill, January 31, 2009 at 3:06 am Link to this comment

To Christian96, yes, LA is going down. What people don’t realize is that as of recent, HR 645 LEGALIZES the U.S. Concentration Camps in the open.  Secondly, the Real ID Act was delayed to 2009 instead of May 2008.  Third, The FEMA Operations Manuel was leaked to the net.  On page 181 is a map of the 10 Fema Regions that will abolish States boundaries forever.  Well, Nixon already designed this for his COUP Attempt, in 1969, put into an Executive Order 11647 in 1972, in time for HIS Coup that failed.  In 1979, it was revoked from the rolls and removed.  Well, the FEMA Manuel 2009 for disasters has that exact diagram in the 2009 FEMA manuel.  TRicky huh??  Our government is planning on creating a crime wave after the next major incident.  Sources say that 4-6 Cities will be nuked which Miami, and LA were two mentioned.  The Russians would launch an assault among many from Cuba to the Galveston area as a beach head since the Government took over the land…...interesting huh…

Earthquake also is possible as we can only say what man is planning and that is spectulative anyway…..but God has his own timing and his own plan.

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By christian96, January 30, 2009 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

Tgambill—-You amaze me with the amount of information you have.  You might be interested to
know that one of the cops who caught the cockroaches
at Watergate is from my hometown.  I noticed you
mentioned Los Angeles.  You might be interested in
my prediction about Los Angeles I just posted following the article “Obama Must Halt America’s
Moral Decline.”

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By tgambill, January 30, 2009 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

This follows the same MO from the 1960’s. THE CIA/FBI organized the Black Panthers, KKK, later the Skin Heads and other subversive groups as the decades progressed, to create the havoc and conflicts in order to justify passing of laws, legislation, task forces, excuses for crime and to keep people on edge but all to build to the World Order, step by step. 

The CIA even worked closely with MAFIA heads to bring tons and tons of Drugs in from South America, Vietnam to Mena, Ark and other specially build airports.  This was to orchestrate the change of culture from the traditional 1940’s to the 1950’s in order to set up the rebellious 60’s.  This was designed through think tanks under the program of TRAVISTOCK….....CIA program.  Linked with Rockefeller foundations…..neat trick huh.  Flood the Black communities with drugs and make sure they are unsettled.

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By Hemi*, January 30, 2009 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

Understood.

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By tgambill, January 30, 2009 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

September 1993 -  [The major goal of the Clinton Administration is] the remaking of the American way of politics, government, indeed, life….Let us be willing to remold society by redefining what it means to be a human being in the 20th Century, moving into the new Millennium.  Hillary Clinton [Hillary Clinton in a speech delivered at the University of Texas, Austin quoted in Vanity Fair, September 1993, pp 74-80]

11 March 1993 -  “We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ...” Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

22 March 1994 - “When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans… And so a lot of people say there’s too much personal freedom.  When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.  That’s what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we’re going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.” President Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV

Glasshouse Tapes: Story of a planned military coup during Nixon’s years, and June 1972 Watergate was the incident that brought it to the surface.  I wonder if the security guard that caught the cockroaches knew he was on to part of an ongoing coup attempt?  Might have been responsible for delaying the dictatorship of the U.S. by his discovery.  I also wonder if Agnew knew he was going to be assassinated by members of the LAPD to touch off the violence and bombings.  This was to allow Nixon the approval of the public to accept martial law.  Nixon even discussed with General Cushman on how they could get 10,000 Marines to surround the White House if this happened.  Schlesinger, Sec Def.  investigated how quickly the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division could be brought to Washington, from Fort Bragg, NC,, to counterbalance Marine contingents loyal to Nixon.  per a quote from Department Officials at the time, August 27, 1974, that Schlesinger and General S. Brown, chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, discussed among themselves how they should be aware of any illegal orders being issued to military units outside teh formal chain of command structure, unquote…....bet you won’t find that in the history books?  smile

Hey, does Minot to Barksdale flight of 6 nukes come to mind?? 

‘Mystery Surrounds Deaths
Of Minot Airmen’
9-23-7

http://www.rense.com/general78/minot.htm

LIES and a set up for a war with Iran but the Bush Administration got caught

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3hW5FB1DKY&NR=1

http://www.projectcamelot.org/barksdale.html

People just won’t come out of the fog….....
It came out in 1973, the third planned military coup of the US government by the specifica members of the US Government loyal to the Illuminati.  Louis Tackwood claimed to be a police agent. He claimed that there was a plot to create bloody chaos in the country which would help produce widespread fear and panic so that there could be a military coup overthrowing the government.

Related to the Planned Nixon Coup

http://www.namebase.org/sources/MN.html

Remember when I passed on the New Age Method of using gang members or felons as security or police and given choices.  Here we go….

http://crs.sagepub.com/cgi/pdf_extract/4/3/79


One more tidbit

Microbiologist Death Toll Mounts
As Connections To Dyncorp,
Hadron, Promis Software &
Disease Research Emerge
A Career In Microbiology Can Be Harmful To Your Health

(Revised/Updated)

By Michael Davidson
FTW Staff Writer
and Michael C. Ruppert
3-3-2

http://www.rense.com/general20/mic.htm
http://www.rense.com/general18/five.htm
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310108.shtml
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000623.html

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By tgambill, January 30, 2009 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

I wonder to what level of the FBI Task Force knows that this is a CIA operation in order to make us want martial law when the crime wave hits after the next 911, that is soon to take place. 

NOTE:  Folks just like I said, the past month or so, MS-13 is being organized via unions by the CIA and the Insider Government.  The next incident will task out the law enforcement and then when the crime wave, home invasions, use of weapons, weapon confiscation to take our weapons for “OUR” safety by Blackwater, National Guard members that agree to participate, minus those that refuse to work with the UN, Russians and Chinese that will appear from nowhere all of a sudden to HELP us, The Chinese will invade from Mexico and from mainland to the Northwestern USA area. 

Russians are already here, inside the US, Mexico, Cuba [Staging area], South America, Canadian border, and Alaska.  The Chinese will control the Panama Canel as pre-planned long ago.  Its an operation that failed to happen in 1972, Trilateral Commission was formed by Rockefeller, Bush, Zegh. BRZEZINSKI [Obama’s advisor], to plan for the next attempt that has been set up, it looks like soon. 

Wait until they release the Flu virus that is reengineered.  Why do you think there has been over 300 microbiologist dead in a short period of time.

21 May 1991 - “Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.” - Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France,. Transcribed from a tape recording made by one of the Swiss delegates.

June 1991 - “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.


20 July 1992 - “In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”  Strobe Talbot, President Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

  “Here is one optimist’s reason for believing unity will prevail… I’ll bet that within the next hundred years, nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. A phrase briefly fashionable in the mid-20th century—‘citizen of the world’—will have assumed real meaning by the end of the 21st ...”—US Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott, TIME magazine column, July 20, 1992.

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By christian96, January 30, 2009 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

To Annie Reitano—-When I read your question the
1st one that came to mind was Psalm 22.  While on
the cross, Jesus cried, “My God, My God why have
you forgaken me?”  Jesus was constantly talking to
God and definitely knew his father hadn’t forsaken
him.  Then, why did he ask the question?  He was
still teaching from the cross.  He was directing us
to Psalm 22 which begins with the same words, “My
God, My God, why has thou forsaken me?”  Then, the
Psalm goes on to describe a man being crucified.
Ask any medical doctor.  This psalm was written more
than a 1,000 years before Jesus was born.  When it
was written, crucifixion didn’t even exist in Israel. It was later introduced my the Romans.
Psalm 22:6.7,8 read, “I am despised of the people.
All they that see laugh me to scorn: they shoot out
the lip(ridicule), they shake the head, saying, He
trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let
him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.”
These verses were fulfilled in Matthew 27:39-43,
“And they that passed by reviled(taunted) him, wagging their heads, and saying, Thou that destroyest
the temple, and buildest it in three days, save
thyself.  If thou be the Son of God, come down from
the cross.  Likewise also the chief priests mocking
him, with the scribes and elders, said, “He saved
others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of
Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and
we will believe him. He trusted in God; let him
deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said,
I am the Son of God.”  Psalm 22:16,18, reads, “The
assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced
my hands and feet.  They part my garments among them,
and cast lots upon my vesture.”  John 20:27 reads,
Then saith he to Thomas, “Reach hither they finger,
and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and
thrust it into my side; and be not faithless, but
believing.”  Then said Jesus, “Father, forgive them;
for they know not what they do.” And they parted
his raiment, and cast Lots.  I am sorry but I have
been on this computer all week and my kitchen table
is covered with unopened mail.  I must pay some
bills today before the weekend arrives.  I’ll get
back to you later this evening.

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By tgambill, January 30, 2009 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

FBI: Burgeoning gangs behind up to 80% of U.S. crime

Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials.

The major findings in a report by the Justice Department’s National Gang Intelligence Center, which has not been publicly released, conclude gangs are the “primary retail-level distributors of most illicit drugs” and several are “capable” of competing with major U.S.-based Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

“A rising number of U.S.-based gangs are seemingly intent on developing working relationships” with U.S. and foreign drug-trafficking organizations and other criminal groups to “gain direct access to foreign sources of illicit drugs,” the report concludes.
The gang population estimate is up 200,000 since 2005.

Bruce Ferrell, chairman of the Midwest Gang Investigators Association, whose group monitors gang activity in 10 states, says the number of gang members may be even higher than the report’s estimate.

“We’ve seen an expansion for the last 10 years,” says Ferrell, who has reviewed the report. “Each year, the numbers are moving forward.”

He says the groups are moving to avoid the scrutiny of larger metropolitan police agencies in places such as Los Angeles. “These groups were hit hard in L.A.” by law enforcement crackdowns, “but they are learning from it,” Kaiser says.

MS-13 far-flung from L.A. incubator

One group that continues to spread despite law enforcement efforts is the violent Salvadoran gang known as MS-13.

Michael Sullivan, the departing director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, says the gang’s dependence on shocking violence to advance extortion, prostitution and other criminal enterprises has frustrated attempts to infiltrate and disrupt the insular group’s activities.

“MS-13’s foothold in the U.S. is expanding,” Sullivan says.

Kaiser says the street gang is in 42 states, up from 33 in 2005. “Enforcement efforts have been effective to a certain extent, but they (gang members) keep moving,” he says.

MS-13 is the abbreviation for the gang also known as Mara Salvatrucha. The group gained national prominence in the 1980s in Los Angeles, where members were linked to incidents involving unusual brutality.

Since then, it has formed cells or “cliques” across the U.S., says Aaron Escorza, chief of the FBI’s MS-13 National Gang Task Force.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-01-29-ms13_N.htm

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By tgambill, January 30, 2009 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

This is getting strange as I’ve been doing this since I left Kosovo and all during Kosovo.  I find it weird and thank you for bringing this article to my attention. 

My connections is a bit more than this web site and my sources are a bit off the record.

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By tgambill, January 30, 2009 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

yes, I have a major connection with CD, to include the Book, “The Coming Balkan Caliphate” by Chris Deliso. 

http://books.google.com/books?id=-7dq8mi0DWkC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq;#PPA62,M1

Chapters 3 and 6 throughout. 

you got it that’s me.

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By tgambill, January 30, 2009 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

oh missed you too….oh shucks…..you make me blush.

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By tgambill, January 30, 2009 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

Remember the concentration Camps I was talking about some time ago…well here you go they are finished and ready to take us in.  THE FEMA plan is dividing the US into 10 regions and fitted with a govenor and eliminating the state boundaries permantely, leading to the North American Union.  I know that after the next incident, the CIA is in the process of organizing a crime wave by using MS-13 and Mexican Mafia.  This will be used to justify martial law.  The agenda is not a conspiracy theory its an agenda.

Congress Seeks To Authorize & Legalize FEMA Camp Facilities
Published on 01-26-2009

http://www.roguegovernment.com/Congress_Seeks_To_Authorize_&_Legalize_FEMA_Camp_Facilities/14007/0/13/13/Y/M.html

Text of H.R. 645: To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

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By Hemi*, January 30, 2009 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

tg, regarding the upcoming crime wave this was a headline on the USA Today website this morning:

“FBI: Burgeoning gangs behind up to 80% of U.S. crime

Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials.” - By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY

That story is accompanied by a photo of members of MS-13 being questioned by L.A. Police. Are you clairvoyant? The morning after your post regarding that. Hmmmmmm!

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By Hemi*, January 30, 2009 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

tg, I’ll be busy cathcing up on your posts and links. Thank you. I’m very much a pragmatist so I wont be dissappointed by BO. It’s a hope against hope deal. Do you have a connection with a writer with the initials CD? Sorry to pry but I’m trying to get my bearings in our conversation.

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By Annie Reitano, January 30, 2009 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

Wow!  It’s been awhile.  What did I miss?  Evangelical conspiracy theorists and proposed biblical scholars.  huh.  I didn’t miss much.  Same ol’ same ol’.  Religion and the fear factor.

Christian96.  Just what prophecies did “jesus” fulfill?  Your own words and thoughts please.

I didn’t miss much.  But I did miss you, Tom. smile

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By tgambill, January 29, 2009 at 11:24 pm Link to this comment

Hemi..here is an interesting link to his foreign policy…..as he says.

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/foreign_policy/

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By christian96, January 29, 2009 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

To Tgambill——Thanks for your information.  I have
read about the Illuminati, CFR, Masons and Trilateral
Commission but obviously not to the extent that you
have.  According to the Bible, our enemies are not
people but spirits working through people.  Which
explains the falling away of the church.  I wonder if
the people working in the Illuminati, CFR, Masons and
Trilateral commission realize they are being influenced by the spiritual world?  Perhaps, some
do and believe the spirits to be Holy and helping
them to establish a global military-industrial
complex.  I just re-read my last comments and the
word “astronomer” was the last word I used.  I, then,
went into the living room and starting watching a
program that was already on the TV.  It was “Naked
Science” on the Nat. Geographic Channel.  It was a
documentary in which ASTRONOMERS were discussing
various theories to explain the end of the universe.
I started laughing.  I have so many weird experiences
happen to me that I have stopped trying to figure
them out.  I just hope it isn’t the evil spirits
influencing me.  I don’t think so.  I know the Bible
so well I can usually recognize when they are working
through me.  For example, last evening while in the
grocery store I raised my voice to a lady working
behind the counter.  Definitely not the Holy Spirit!
Well, I am going to bed.  Take care.

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By tgambill, January 29, 2009 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

christian96 you are spot on.  Its sometimes difficult taking all this in, I have to go back to my notes and re-train myself to believe it.  The deception and control is more than the average person could take in 5 minutes of discussion and few can deal with it.  Many clergymen are clueless of this agenda.  They are however doing Gods work in getting people to take Jesus as savior but they ned to know who the real enemy has become and its in the backyard and in the Pulpit. 

One of the greatest challenges for the Church in the End-Times is the falling away from the faith. (Matthew 24:9-13;

2 Thessalonians 2:3; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 3:1-7; 4:3-5; 2 Peter 2:1-3).

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin (Antichrist) is revealed, the son of perdition… (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

The Illuminati has used the ingenius plan inspired by Satan, to Adam Weishaupt retained by the Rothschilds in 1776, to Albert Pike and his upgrade of the plans 1850-1871, to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion in 1905, to the CFR, in 1919 by the Rockefellers to the Bilderbergers in 1954 to the Iron Mountain Commission published in 1967, classified by LBJ, but leaked by a John Doe to Lewin, and with attempts to debunk it by the government.  Section 7 lays out Global Warming, UN Peace Keeping and many other objectives that we are dealing with today to the Trilateral Commission, 1973 by Bush and Z. Brzezinski, co-founder and today SECURITY ADVISOR to Obama.  sound familar?

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/ironmtn.html

Substitutes for the Functions of War: Models

The following substitute institutions, among others, have been proposed for consideration as replacements for the nonmilitary functions of war. That they may not have been originally set forth for that purpose does not preclude or invalidate their possible application here.

1. Economic. a) A comprehensive social-welfare program, directed toward maximum improvement of general conditions of human life. b) A giant open-end space research program, aimed at unreachable targets. c) A permanent, ritualized, ultra-elaborate disarmament inspection system, and variants of such a system.

2. Political. a) An omnipresent, virtually omnipotent international police force. b) An established and recognized extraterrestrial menace. c) Massive global environmental pollution. d) Fictitious alternate enemies.

3. Sociological: Control function. a) Programs generally derived from the Peace Corps model. b) A modern, sophisticated form of slavery. Motivational function. a) Intensified environmental pollution. b) New religious or other mythologies. c) Socially oriented blood games. d) Combination forms.

4. Ecological. A comprehensive program of applied eugenics.

5. Cultural. No replacement institution offered. Scientific. The secondary requirements of the space research, social welfare, and/or eugenics programs.

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By tgambill, January 29, 2009 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

hemi I’m sorry to disappoint you but…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3BqK-9ZiU

Barack Obama to pursue George Bush’s foreign policy
December 28th, 2008 | Barack Obama

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By christian96, January 29, 2009 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

To Hemi and Tgambill——-I appreciate your comments
and will look into some of your ideas.  I have been
studying the Bible for almost 32 years.  I am
especially interested in Bible prophecy.  Hal Lindsey, considered one of the leading experts on
prophecy believes the USA will be replaced by the
European Union as the dominant military-industrial
complex.  The Antichrist and his mark for buying
and selling is believed to come out of the European
Union.  As far as the fallen angels mating with
women, preachers refer to the 6th chapter of Genesis
for the explanation.  The Sons of God mentioned in
verses 2 and 6 are believed to be the fallen angels.
Their offspring became “Giants in the earth”(verse 4)
and are believed to be responsible for all the
violence and wickedness that led God to destroy the
earth with a flood.  Since Goliath was a “giant”
some believe he was a result of the fallen angels
mating with the daughters of man.  Some believe the
mating of the fallen angels with the daughters of man
will occur again in the last days and will bring
about the destruction by fire discussed in 2nd Peter
6:10, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief
in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away
with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with
FERVENT HEAT, the earth also and the works that are
therein shall be burned up.”  That verse should be
of special interest to astronomers.

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By Hemi*, January 29, 2009 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

tgambill, boy did I get you to open up. It’s great stuff and I had read about the McDonald incident. McDonald was a unique cat. An anti-communist democrat during the McCarthy era. I just checked out a video of McDonald taking on Tom Braden and Pat Buchanan on a 25 year old clip from Crossfire. Yikes was that strange. They were discussing the existence or not of the NWO as you can imagine. And at one point McDonald hammers Reagan for having over 250 members of the Trilateral Commission in his administration. Pat Buchanan almost lost his candy with that statement. He couldn’t dispute it. Braden and Buchanan are hitting this guy with “Crossfire” and he’s as cool as a cucumber and putting them in their place. Very impressive.

“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and communism under the same tent, all under their control…Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.” - Larry McDonald

Wow, that hits too close to home with our recent change in governmental direction. I’ve said just this week that these bail-outs make me feel like we’ve been tag-teamed by the “two” party system. Maybe I’m not far off there. Let’s hope I’m wrong.

I look forward to your next post tg!

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By tgambill, January 29, 2009 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Enough off topic, in a way, as I’ll address the “religious” aspects tonight.  The NWO issues are directly and perfectly aligned with the religion part of it but that link is hard to tie up sometimes.  Yes, this agenda goes back even before the Old Testament.  LONG BEFORE THE OLD TESTAMENT.


Congressman Larry McDonald Exposed the New World Order Tyranny


by Alexander James
The Hidden History of Money
June 15th, 2004
On February 17, 1950, CFR member James Warburg (banker, and architect of the Federal Reserve System) stated before a Senate Foreign Relations Committee, “We shall have one world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent.” Again, the media remained silent. In the April 1974 issue of the CFR journal, “Foreign Affairs”, page 558, Richard Gardener states that the new world order “will be built… but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault.”
Congressman McDonald, Heinz and Tower stated that this is a conspiracy. Again, the media remained silent. (Reference 14, P. 17, 18, 32, 33).

THE CFR WANTS TO ABOLISH THE CONSTITUTION. (Reference 14) WE MUST STOP THEM!!

Larry McDonald was killed along with 268 other passengers on Korean Air Lines (KAL) flight 007, shot down over Sakhalin Island in the Sea of Japan.
According to one version, all bodies were recovered, except the bodies of the pilot and copilot. Some of the extremely suspicious information regarding KAL 007 include that the Flight was off course with plenty of fuel while commercial flights commonly take a short cut over Sakhalin when low on fuel. Radio response in Russian airspace is commonplace with Russian pilots monitoring the path of commercial planes; Russian pilots radioed KAL 007 with no response from the pilots; Russian pilots fired warning shots with visible tracers past the cockpit; the KAL pilots did not acknowledge the warning shots or tracers; Two parachutes were seen by inhabitants of the Aleutian islands prior to the plane being shot down; the Flight recorder was recovered by a US. Submarine but the data was classified by the CIA. The media reporting was scant and short-lived and not a single mention was publicly made about the fact that McDonald had been heading a congressional effort to expose what he called a dangerous international conspiracy. According to another version, the plane landed on Sakhalin Island.

http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2253

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3100752722910819372&hl=en-GB

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By tgambill, January 29, 2009 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

“tg, I dig it. I’ve read all of that before. Why don’t you take it back any further? There are those that trace the 13 Illuminati bloodlines back into pre-Biblical times. What about the hybridizing with the aliens? No I’m not kidding. I said I love a conspiracy! I meant it. Weishaupt was late to the party.”

******I don’t know how far to take it with some folks.  It took me a long time to believe this myself.  Even most Christians cannot wrap their minds around this as its “FAR FETCHED” as I’ve been told many times.  Did you know that the CIA has been planning to use MS-13 and the Mexican Mafia to start a crime wave when the next incident happens?  yes, its true.  The Gangster Disciples changing their names to “Growth and Development” and my source has indicated that they were approached to become involved and they are aware of the Satanic influence of these groups.  They declined.  The MS-13 are in 3,500 cities + WHY??  Simple, they want to establish martial law.  This will be the fourth planned military coup in our history if it happens. The First was in 1933-1935, 1960-1963, 1970-1974…..main characters, General Butler [Hero], JFK [finally hero], Nixon [got caught at Watergate and discussion of Citizens with arms were too many],  I have the details of these unreported coup attempts.  By sponsoring a crime wave WE, Americans will want martial law because the Blackwater trained Police will be too few and unable to handle it.  The 3rd Army Division was put on active duty in the US which is against the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.  They have 10,000 on duty and want 20,000 in the near future.  The 3,000 FEMA Concentration Camps Myself and others have been warning people about are now brought to the public view and with a BS justification to make them legal. 

This post is detailing how Adam Weishaupt’s plan will be carried out for this generation and the final world war that was planned between 1850-1871 by Albert Pike in conceptional terms.  Three Revolutions, Three world wars were planned between 1850 to 1871 by the Satanist and 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Mason, in conceptional terms for the illuminati.  They literally dedicate their new born infants in a ritual to Satan and raise them to carry out this agenda.  If the offspring goes off course, becomes Christian, or any other religion or marries out of the bloodline they are to be killed, hence the Kennedy’s are one of the 13 Illuminati families as was Diana. 

http://www.roguegovernment.com/Congress_Seeks_To_Authorize_&_Legalize_FEMA_Camp_Facilities/14007/0/13/13/Y/M.html

Text of H.R. 645: To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

Keep in mind that as far back as 1969, Nixon’s administration has divided the US into 10 regions in preparation for the planned coup of 1972.  One governor per region, eliminating the statehood.  They will match the FEMA regions to a large extent.  They also have specially designed FEMA trains being sold off as designed for transporting cars, a lie.

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By Hemi*, January 29, 2009 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

tg, I dig it. I’ve read all of that before. Why don’t you take it back any further? There are those that trace the 13 Illuminati bloodlines back into pre-Biblical times. What about the hybridizing with the aliens? No I’m not kidding. I said I love a conspiracy! I meant it. Weishaupt was late to the party.

Of course they plan to destroy Christianity and atheism, they consider themselves “gods”. There was a reason for god and gods being described abiding in the “heavens”. That’s where the original aliens came from, the sky. Why were the Peruvian Nazca lines as well as the Chilean glyphs in the Atacama Desert created? They could only be seen from the air or space. Why would a flightless society create such works? Their “gods” could see them of course! I told you I love this stuff.

Here’s another one to float your boat. I had email communication with the Pope. I’m not shitting you! Keep in mind I’m a former RC. It was a couple of years ago. Not any Pope you are likely aware of. This was “Pope Michael” the former David Allen Bawden. His “papacy” is based on the fact that the Vatican II council handed over the control of the church to the Masons. I venture you know all about that tg but likely not about the Vatican alternatives that are in existence. Yeah alternatives, plural. There are more than two Popes on the planet. Maybe I should run for Pope? Or run for Poop? I bet I could get elected Poop! My wife says I’m a Poop. I know shenonymous, you’re rolling on the floor right now. Because you know just what a Poop I am. Check this out: http://www.bethepope.com/ Hey, maybe I’ve got a calling. Wait…..no, that was just somebody in the next office. Just let me say that I explored all avenues while making the decision to lose my religion. Anyway tg, this guy has extensive Vatican conspiracy knowledge as a defecting RC priest and you’ll be fascinated to read about it.  Here’s the site: http://www.vaticaninexile.com/  If I remember correctly he was elected Pope by 7 or 8 people. You would think he could have gotten a better turn out for something like that. It sounds more like a Las Vegas wedding than the start of a papacy but what do I know?

tg, I enjoy the challenge and hope you are not offended by my style. Of course I’m irreverent, you are aware of the corruption. So, how do you find evidence of “God” within all of this subversion? Even if all the conspiracies are true, they have not hidden any evidence of a creator. If they did, it wouldn’t have been much of a creative force or at least a force that gave a crap if we knew of it or not.

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By tgambill, January 29, 2009 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Now just why did the conspirators choose the word: “Illuminati” for their satanic organization? Weishaupt himself said that the word is derived from Lucifer and means: “holder of the light.” Using the lie that his objective was to bring about a one-world government to enable those with mental ability to govern the world and prevent all wars in the future.

In short, using the words: “peace on earth” as his bait, exactly as that same bait as: “peace” was used by the 1945 conspirators to force the United Nations on us, Weishaupt was financed, as said before, by the Rothschilds, recruited some 2,000 paid followers. These included the most intelligent men in the field of arts and letters, education, the sciences, finance, and industry.

NOW here is the true objective and the end game….

August 15, 1871 - Now, can any thinking person doubt that the intrigue now going on in the near Middle and far East is designed to accomplish that satanic objective? Albert Pike himself foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini. Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his [Albert Pike] own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England; he said:
 
“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both ! conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

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By tgambill, January 29, 2009 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

smile) Hemi, ok, so you are calling me out?  lol..  I’ll get back at you this PM later. 

Know that these “men of God” that I mention are following a well planned and thought out agenda that goes back to at least the 1930’s and the advent of the New Age Movement that will spawn a New Age Religion that will “replace” or in their own words, “Destroy” the Roman Catholic Church.  It has been designed for generations in a carefully laid out plan.  It lies within the Vatican, called the Black Nobility for starters.  In other words it is a Luciferian Theology that will take over appearing first as a counterfeit Christianity. 

Here is what “WE” are really dealing with even today, as the 13 Illuminati families have carried this agenda with objectives from father to son for generations…it encompasses the headlines today and the decisions the ones in control make today and the ones tomorrow….

1760 - Satanic plot was launched when it first came into existence under the name “Illuminati.” This Illuminati was organized by one Adam Weishaupt, born a Jew, who was converted to Catholicism and studied to be a Catholic priest, and then, at the behest of the then newly organized House of Rothschild, defected and organized the Illuminati.  Naturally, the Rothschilds financed that operation and every war since then, beginning with the French Revolution, has been promoted by the Illuminati operating under various names and guises.

1770 -  Professional money lenders, and recently organized House of Rothschild, retained Weishaupt, to revise and modernize the age-old Protocols of Zionism, which from the outset, was designed to give the Synagogue of Satan, so named by Jesus Christ, ultimate world domination so they could impose the Luciferian ideology upon what would remain of the human race after the final social cataclysm by use of satanic despotism.

1 May 1776 - Illuminati, allegedly - (Adam Weishaupt-Founder, Jesuit Priest and Freemason)  Illuminati name translated to “bearers of the light” - Lumen
derived from Lucifer, ancient “angel of light”.  Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit-trained professor of canon law, teaching in Engelstock University, when he defected from Christianity to embrace the luciferian conspiracy. 

Weishaupt completed his task May 1, 1776. Now you know why May 1 is the great day with all communist nations to this very day (May 1 is also “Law Day” as declared by the American Bar Association). That was the day, May 1, 1776, that Weishaupt completed his plan and officially organized the Illuminati to put the plan into execution. That plan required the destruction of all existing governments and religions. That objective was to be reached by dividing the masses of people, whom he Weishaupt, termed: “goyism” or human cattle into opposing camps in ever increasing numbers on political, social, economic, and other issues - the very conditions we have in our country today.

The opposing sides were then to be armed and incidents provided which would cause them to fight and weaken themselves and gradually destroy national governments and religious institutions.  This being a prime feature of the Illuminati plans. When and if their blueprint for world control, the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, is discovered and exposed, they would wipe all the Jews off the face of the earth in order to divert suspicions from themselves.
NOTE:  If you think this is far fetched, bear in mind that they permitted Hitler, a liberal socialist himself, who was financed by corrupt Kennedy, the Warburgs, and the Rothschilds, to incinerate 6,000,000 or whatever lower number it might have been Jews.

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By Hemi*, January 29, 2009 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

Part 2

tg, there is a measure of truth in all the old books but that doesn’t account for the 80% crap mixed in with it. You can twist your mind around in knots trying to explain the parable of the “prodigal son”. So, he went out and got hookers and booze but eventually ran out of money. He came back home not because he had learned the error of his ways but because he ran out of money for hookers and booze. And the moral is we can go out and spend our lives chasing hookers and booze until we die and our loving “father in heaven” will accept us back just like the father in the story? And the loyal, prudent son was just an angry douchebag and he will get sent to hell for thinking he had earned his father’s respect by living a life of obedience? Pardon but WHAT THE F*CK? Oh but that is all the inspired word of God conveyed through men, like the current Pope, that have a hotline directly to the boss. Just an aside but if there was a God handing down universal truths to mankind he wouldn’t need a 2000 year old book he would communicate directly to every living human and eliminate the messy priest class and translation differentials. Don’t you think?

Who wrote the story of the Garden of Gethsemane? Everybody was sleeping except Jesus and he didn’t leave a diary. Hmmmmmm? What’s the New Testament quote that goes something like “I write this so that you will read it and believe”. Basically telling you it’s true “because I said so” and nobody knows who is saying so. Gotta love it. Sorry tg, if God gave me a brain to think about the dysfunctional storyline it’s his fault. It’s not, it’s only my own fault for ever not thinking about what I was reading or being taught. Peace.

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By Hemi*, January 29, 2009 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

Part 1

“A few of those that are now teaching or stating false doctrine is Billy Graham, Osteen, Robert Shueller, Hagee, Hagin, Paisley, Benny Hinn, TD Jakes, and many Catholic clergy.  No wonder you atheist are atheist, how can they believe in Jesus Christ when followers of the word have no clue or are deviously working with the Illuminati agenda.
- tgambill

Good stuff tg. You leave only one stone unturned. That is the possibility that these subversive entities would not create a mind control cult based on Iron Age mythology. Humans have always sought answers to the as yet unanswered. Why God’s attachment to the Jews and their myths? Why were they chosen and not the Sumerians, Mayans or whoever predated the Jews? The Jews weren’t chosen. They in fact chose themselves and wrote it down. Why? To convince the uneducated among them of a mandate to defend their group against outsiders. Why were the Jews always the oppressed and always in the right whether killing and maiming or killing and being maimed? It keeps the tribe together. “First Bob, I want to thank the Lord my God, Jesus Christ for watching over me and our team as we triumphed today in a Christ-like ass kicking over those heathen Pittsburgh Steelers! God was surely on our side. Oh yeah, HI MOM!”

For instance did God really take time to tell the Jews “Oh and I almost forgot, you see I was busy listening to the thoughts and prayers of millions, no shellfish! And while I’m at it, tell Bernie I can see what he’s doing so stop touching himself. That’s disgusting and he’ll go blind already. Like I got nothing better to do? Oye vey!” Or was that simply the wisest among them expressing through the most authoritative pen name that “I don’t know why, you see science hasn’t discovered microbiology yet, we can get ill or die from eating raw shellfish!” Obviously not a bad thing to tell Iron Age peoples but how do you get them to obey? Of course. “Look these are not my rules (you don’t respect me, I’m just another man) I’m just saying what God told me to tell you! Yeah, he was way up there on the mountain out of sight, you should have seen it but you didn’t so you’ll have to believe me. And you saw Shlomo get sick from the clams last week so you know Yahweh knows his stuff.” And of course more than a few of them saw Shlomo so if that part of the story is true so is the Yahweh part. Who had time to check up on the rabbi? And the rabbis kept the truth among themselves and wrote down the bits for public consumption. You as a faithful member of the tribe, a Jew, accepted what didn’t kill you and you got on with finding food or work for another day and the lawgivers were the rabbis, wizards or medicine men of the village that blended the accumulated historical knowledge of the clan with a sugary sweet story to make it go down easy.

It goes on today. Look at the secrecy in the Vatican. Why a secret library with knowledge that we have no access to? Why secretive enclaves to elect a Pope? What is so horrible that the world can’t be in on what these men of God are discussing? Why are their minds, eyes and ears the only receptacles of God’s will? All this so Benedict could hide the pedophiles for decades? That was God’s will regarding that? “Yeah, just hush it up and shift them around. I don’t have time for this crap there’s a universe to run out here God damn it! Oops that’s me, my bad! And that brings me ‘round to a good point, why do I have to damn everything? You with the funny hat, how ‘bout you earn your keep and take on some of the damn damning? Alright, so you gotta wave from a window, get some of your kid touching lackeys to do it then!” But I digress. That was fun though, don’t you think tg?

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By Shenonymous, January 28, 2009 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

We were bound to meet again Hemi.  I am a Pastafarian.  I only eat al dente flying spaghetti.  It reminds me a tad of the Catholic host.  But in FSM, it’s the trinitarian of heavenly sauce, the specific gravity of the meatballs and levitating pasta.  But we cannot ignore the Baloney Detection Kit.

tgambill I’m sure will appear soon.  And maybe Annie.

Oh yeah, I’ve heard of the problems in Vistaville.  It isn’t pretty. 

Zoning out, meds have taken over.  Chin quivering.

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By Hemi*, January 28, 2009 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

Hi shenonymous!

It’s been a long time since we tag teamed any of the brainwashed masses.
The truth is I was jealous of all the fun you were having.

One correction though, you know I’m a stickler for religious terms and Flying Spaghetti Monsterism just wont do. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is their god. Their religion is called “Pastafarism”. Like “Rastafarism” but boiled until al dente instead of baked if you know what I mean. Rastafarian – baked, get it? See how I did that? OK, OK, I’ll get to the good stuff.

I love the thought of Bible prophesies fulfilled. I’ve been reading about a few theories that explain any seeming fulfillment. The last one I’ve explored was a book titled Caesar’s Messiah by Joseph Atwill. And the basic premise is that Josephus wrote both the Roman histories of the time of the destruction of the temple as well as the New Testament. The Biblical prophecies were fulfilled not by Jesus but by the military career of Titus against the Jews. Yep, very intriguing.

There was of course the Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby and his “The Myth-Maker, Paul and the Invention of Christianity”. A great book and what lead me out of Catholicism for good. Saul of Tarsus blending a Jewish messianic movement with characteristics of the adjacent pagan Mystery Religions. Oh what fun! Maccoby trashes his own faith in the process of undermining Christianity but he’s dead and wont be publishing a rebuttal.

There are others that say the Piso’s of Rome were the writers of the Gospels. I do like the Roman’s subverting the Jews by adopting Judaism in the denuded form called Christianity to control the masses. Could it get more evil than that? The “Church of Rome”, ha! “Now all you peons have to love your enemy, like me the emperor, or suffer eternal damnation! Now give unto Caesar what is mine! Oh yeah, you can give all that non-existent crap to er…… God! That’s it! Give that to God! But I get the tax money.”

But I digress. He who was, is and always will be knew everything before time existed and all that would transpire in this ant farm of a universe that he created and let things transpire here exactly as he knew they would despite the fact that 99.9% of all human actions hurt his almighty feelings. Is he a masochist or just a Jewish mother? He created everything including evil? Why would he do that? No that’s not free will. That’s evil and he created it. The creator of everything created everything. If not I claim evil. I’ll get in Wikipedia for creating evil. Now that sounds silly doesn’t it? They probably already list somebody for creating evil. Yeah that’s right, I forgot. Bill Gates created evil! He named it Vista. But I digress.

I do love the thread about the Illuminati. Conspiracy, my favorite! Along those lines look up just for shnitz und giggles the Sumerian version of the Biblical story regarding the Beni Elohim. These Elohim wrongly translated as “Children of God” and correctly as “Children of the Gods”. Gods? Not really, just extra-terrestrials. “Children of the Gods” being the Sumerian description of what we might call “hybrids” between humans and aliens. Woooooooooooooooooo!!! Pretty spooky!

But I digress. And as “she” who is and was and continues to be involved in this thread would tell you “He’s always digressing!”  There now, what was the original topic?

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By Shenonymous, January 27, 2009 at 4:31 am Link to this comment

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It is quite true that statistical probabilities can be applied to most anything.  Religion is obviously not exempt.  So in that case, allow me to talk about Bertrand Russell’s Celestial Teapot in fact.  BR correctly said, “If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.”

50 years later, Richard Dawkins writes “The reason organized religion merits outright hostility is that, unlike belief in Russell’s teapot, religion is powerful, influential, tax-exempt and systematically passed on to children too young to defend themselves. Children are not compelled to spend their formative years memorizing loony books about teapots. Government-subsidized schools don’t exclude children whose parents prefer the wrong shape of teapot. Teapot-believers don’t stone teapot-unbelievers, teapot-apostates, teapot-heretics and teapot-blasphemers to death. Mothers don’t warn their sons off marrying teapot-shiksas whose parents believe in three teapots rather than one. People who put the milk in first don’t kneecap those who put the tea in first[...]Russell’s teapot, of course, stands for an infinite number of things whose existence is conceivable and cannot be disproved.”

And Steve Eley writes,” “Invisible Pink Unicorns (the well-known IPUs) are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can’t see them.”

Then of course, there’s Bobby Henderson, who said, “I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world: One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.”

This is really a metaphoric example of exploring questions such as “does religion require a genuine theological belief or simply a set of rituals and a community joining together as a way of signaling their cultural alliances to others?” or in short, can an anti-religion like Flying Spaghetti Monsterism actually be a religion?

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By Shenonymous, January 27, 2009 at 4:31 am Link to this comment

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But my favorite is the Carl Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit to test whether any of your arguments for the existence of, say, God. is to provide answers to these set of questions:
  *Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts
  *Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
  *Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no “authorities”).
  *Spin more than one hypothesis - don’t simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
  *Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it’s yours.
  *Quantify, wherever possible.
  *If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.
  *Occam’s razor- if there are two hypothesis that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.
  *Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, is it testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

Highly recommended is to be sure to check out regularly, http://www.quackwatch.org/

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By tgambill, January 26, 2009 at 11:47 pm Link to this comment

If I may offer an exact number, 365 prophecies were fulfilled. 

http://bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm

You will find in the internet world as expected links to works that make feeble attempts to debunk the fulfilled prophecies, but its clearly written by those that only search for lies and not truth.

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By christian96, January 26, 2009 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous on a Jan. 5th post asked for evidence
to support the Bible.  In comments I made today
at 3:50 p.m. for the article “Obama Must Halt America’s Moral Decline” I wrote “Obviously you don’t
know much about science.  Einstein opposed Quantum
Mechanics because he didn’t like the statistical
probabilities associated with it.  Statistical
probability(science) can be applied to the large
number of prophecies in the Old Testament concerning
the coming Messiah, all of which Jesus fulfilled.”
Rev. Shockley, myself, or any other person speaking
about the Bible can mislead you if you are not familiar with the teachings of the Bible.
Satan(meaning “adversary”) is called a deceiver(Rev.
12:9) and the Father of Lies(John 8:44.) Satan and
his fallen angels are spirits.  Like radio and television waves spirits cannot be seen. 
2nd Corinthians 11;14,15 tells us that Satan transforms himself into an angel of light and his
fallen angels are transformed into ministers of
righteousness(preachers).  Rev. Shockley and other
ministers in the media, especially television, don’t
realize their thoughts and words are being influenced
by evil spirits, whose purpose is to deceive people
into believing lies.  I have a doctoral degree in
Counseling and Child Development.  I have studied
the so-called great psychologists. Believe me, they
have no idea where thoughts come from.  Do you know
where your thoughts come from?

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By tgambill, January 26, 2009 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

shenom, there was at one time no Universe.  He created the Universe and life as we know it, as he saw the future and has a plan.  Jesus Christ existed in this realm even before the creation as well.  This life we are living will end and he tells us how, just no when.  However, in accordance with Daniel 9:24 we can know the season.  its not far off now.  Man will be judged in the time that he has planned in accordance with his long term plan.

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