To start, I’ve been away from this site almost a year. Even back before then somehow I missed this one. It’s 2008 now.
After reading over the blog a few times I got a little sleepy. I’ve gotta admit it is well written and insightful.
And then I began reading the posts. My eyes got crossed. LOL
From what I read, once again I see that most everyone gets far away from the subject matter.
The xtian bible attempts to place a Nazareth Jew in line with the house of David. 
Let’s not forget that at that time the Jews held anyone with a blood line back to David in very high esteem. High enough to make sure they would not hurt for comforts at the very least. Why was Joe and Mary so darn poor then? And Nazareth back then had very few Jews even living there...go ask a Rabbi, I did. They were mostly goyims. Oy Vay!
And why oh why does the entire story of a god’s virgin birth, death and resurrection replicate that of their southwest neighbor not to mention the Greeks who borrowed it from Eygpt? 
Ask any Rabbi to interpet the meaning of what the Messiah was to do according to his Bible. He was to be a leader such as King David was. A visionary who would lead His people back to the glory of the days promised in the Covenant. 
The very idea of a Messiah with a message that all would be alright once one died and got into heaven was horribly blasphemous to them. 
Indeed, even Rome considered the early christians as heretics. 
But back to that Nazarene. There is actually only one or two historical references to him. I’m tired and sleepy so I need help remembering that Jewish historians name but he was considered the first of the historians to try and stick to the facts. Ask any good historian of that era, the one I am referring only reported that he had heard rumors of a Jesus from Naz. who was a most learned rabi, but he knew no one from that area who had actually seen the guy.
By the way, the majority of first/early xtians did not believe that Jesus was the only one that came from G-d; they believed what he said, that we all were of G-d. They did believe he was special. You can read that above in the text of this blog.
They also did not believe in a virgin birth; that idea happened many years later and was pushed through at the first council. That myth got started by the goyim...as the early followers were mostly Jewish and were looking for a new vision. The goyim were probably reading a lot of myths from Egypt and Greece.
To end, I must admit I do admire the many incredible sayings put forth by this mystic being whoever he/she was. Many of these sayings can be found in the writings of the early Rabbis & Jewish Mystics of the Merkabah.
A respected old Rabbi of Jesus’s era was once told by a goy; “I’ll get circumsized and join your faith if you can stand on one foot and sum up your beliefs before putting your foot back down.”
The wise Rabbi held his foot with his hand and began hopping up and down as he said; “Don’t do to nobody what you wouldn’t want done to yourself!”
That day there was a new convert to Judism.

dats okay.....you are correct.

You forgot the most dramatic part: “And lo I am with you always”...haha

Sorry..feeling like laughing.

lol...imagine that as well.  Now that is credible.  )

not even close....

just remember the conversation in due time.  I have told you the truth.  so, I must go now......got things to do.

I can’t help it.  I think I coughed up blood on that last one.  OMG!  haha.

You’re right.  The more the merrier.  And there will be more and more now with Ben Stein sticking his Jewish nose into it.

It’s funny how xians and Jews don’t see eye to eye unless it’s against the atheist.  And the Catholic and Protestant can’t get along unless it’s against an atheist.  haha Hell, in Yugoslavia, the entire country is cut into a pie of threes.  Catholic, Orthodox and Muslim.  Civil war unrest.  But they have a 91 percent rate of people who believe in GOD!  haha Which one, is the question.  Also, I have it on good authority, that most don’t believe in a god at all.  Especially since the civil war there.  Vukovar apparently still looks like it’s at war.

Annie!  Stop!  He isn’t worth it.  He is a loon.  You have been completely right in every comment.

The more the merrier.

HAHAHAHAHA Annie is now pounding out the keys in alugter. OMG!  I am going to go and hit my head on a wall.

You are out of your mind!!  They have opened doors for every apologist to attempt to discredit what they have unveiled for all to see.  And hahahahahahahah

Okay!  Enough. You are a LOON!

“All Bible owners believe the way you do?”
****those that read it with God’s guidance and a sincere desire to learn about it and from it.  If they don’t, Manson can own a Bible and teach Satanism.  Owning one doesn’t mean anything.  The same holds true for the Rockefellers that gives millions to churches, is worth zero.  A beggar giving his last dime to the Church and loving God, believing in Jesus will be the one that is in favor to God without question. 

“Might makes right?  Great Tom!  Now you’re sounding like Hitler. What critics have failed to discredit the Bible?”

******Nice try, but no bananas.  What critics have failed?  All of them; that’s the point. 

“Words of men, btw.”
*****Words by God, written by men as inspired by the Holy Spirit. 

“So who? Hitchens and Dawkins as well as Harris are doing a slam dunk good job of nailing it to a cross where it belongs.”

*****Not even close.  Only slam dunk to those that wants to hear the words, but not to those that knows the truth. 

“no pun intended).  People are waking up, Tom”

******Actually, people are falling asleep and selling their souls to false religions and false prophets.  There will be a massive awakening, but it will last a short time before the tribulations. 

“As far as “satan”, that’s such a cop out. And Oh the Holy Spirit showing people ...yada yada.”

*****That cop out exists in this world.  this, you will have to see for yourself. 

“I was never shown anything that even remotely pointed to anything “Holy” in that book.  Not as a xian and not now.”

*****:)) Imagine that. 

“It’s a book of violence, torture, infanticide, misogyiny, bears tearing children up in the name of the “lord”...please.  You must be Hilter’s nephew.”

******this is what you would see....

Or how about an even number?  Victor Stenger.  Oops!  Then there’s David Mills’ Atheist Universe.  ho-hum..

haha I can’t believe I left out Ayaan Hirsi Ali.  Shame on me.  That’s a sobering book.

Or how about an even number?  Victor Stenger.  Oops!  Then there’s David Mills’ Atheist Univers.  ho-hum..

haha I can’t believe I left out Ayaan Hirsi Ali.  Shame on me.  That’s a sobering book.

Daniel Dennett does a mighty good job too.  Also Peter Atkins, Jerry Coyne, Rebecca Goldstein, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Harry Kroto, Steven Pinker, Lee Silver, Ibn Warraq, and Steven Weinberg.

“Discredits itself??  You just don’t do your research...its still a best seller since 1611....pretty good.  a lot smarter critics have come and gone and have failed to discredit the true word of God”. 

I own many Bibles.  So what? What are you saying?  All Bible owners believe the way you do?  Might makes right?  Great Tom!  Now you’re sounding like Hitler.
What critics have failed to discredit the Bible?  Words of men, btw.  So who? Hitchens and Dawkins as well as Harris are doing a slam dunk good job of nailing it to a cross where it belongs.  (no pun intended).  People are waking up, Tom

As far as “satan”, that’s such a cop out. And Oh the Holy Spirit showing people ...yada yada.  I was never shown anything that even remotely pointed to anything “Holy” in that book.  Not as a xian and not now.  It’s a book of violence, torture, infanticide, misogyiny, bears tearing children up in the name of the “lord”...please.  You must be Hilter’s nephew.

“I don’t need to discredit the Bible.  It discredits itself.”

Discredits itself??  You just don’t do your research...its still a best seller since 1611....pretty good.  a lot smarter critics have come and gone and have failed to discredit the true word of God. 

“In fact, I have discovered that most atheists know the Bible better than xians.”

****of course, Satan knows the Bible better than any human.  Atheist know the Bible just from the point of view by reading it, they can make a vain attempt to discredit it....which has obviously failed.  However, not due to atheist, but globalist, the church will fall away making way for the Luciferian worship or New Age religion. 

If one was to read the Bible they could see the validity of the Holy Spirit inspiration.  However, because of your disbelief in Jesus Christ, God send great delusion to those that are unbelievers that they should believe a lie.

Well, Tom, I know you live in the “mist” but AKgurl is around some of the time or she wouldn’t have posted again.  Maybe she’s a holy spirit--who can say? 

I don’t need to discredit the Bible.  It discredits itself.  I only petition those with a mind of their own to concider that they are as duped as they think Islam is.  Their book is just as erroneous if they would only READ it instead of listening to preachers, (yes!  Like Shockley) or people like you or me, for that matter.  And really read it for themselves from front cover to back cover.

I have already done this.  I see how out of date it is and that it is not for people of today.  Those who are still following it, however, simply have not read it or are stupid.

Since I believe in the intelligence of most people, I have to say most do not read. They rely in the dogma of their particular religion.  In fact, I have discovered that most atheists know the Bible better than xians.

Tom, I can’t prove Harry Potter to you by using books about Harry Potter.  By the same token, you cannot prove anything about the Bible by using the Bible--don’t be a goof.  And there is absolutely NO outside evidence for the validity of any of these writers being “inspired by a spirit”.  That’s just nonsense.  If there were, you would have gladly spilled it out on page.  As it is, you have yet to come up with anything other than the Bible which discredits itself; and conspiracy theories--which are nothing more than theories.  And THEY have nothing to do with the Bible.

As far as my “plight”...secularists are growing by the day.  Unbelievers are in every nation and CHURCH.  Religion has taught people NOT to believe through war.  And xians, muslims and Jews have led the way with their hatred. I would love to take the credit, but alas, I am just a small voice.  And I am innocent of hate.

Very well put.  I almost didn’t see this post.  AKGurl, you have a good heart and you know the character of God.  The church is falling away as its predicted and Satan is deceiving the clergy.  I found that Billy Graham is not whom he claims to be and so goes many more.....they are following the New Age Movement as its not time they came out.  It was a hard pill to swallow but deception abounds.  Trust no clergy until he claims that Jesus Christ is the son of God, he died for our sins and was resurrected from the Dead to life to be our savior.  When that church believes that and the clergy [pastor, minister, Priest, whomever], supports it as well then they can be trusted with the true word.  The New Age Movement believes in “christ” but not Jesus.  It is preparing the way for the false Messiah or false Christ soon.

Annie, your plight to discredit the Bible will fail.  I have to hand it to you for trying.  But, its impossible to succeed when you deal with truth.  The only success that you will have is to confuse those Christians weak in faith and weak in the knowledge of God’s word.  Most of what you have written up there are lies based on a distortion, not misunderstanding, of Gods word. 

I have a feeling that AKGurl isn’t around about this time because she has figured what I found some times ago that the truthdug is an atheist site, duh.....!!  ) It should be renamed “Athiest dug”.  As the forces of Good will come down hard on “Rev Shackly”....)

By AKgurl, April 28 at 3:53 pm #
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This is what I have noticed ..

AKgurl, you should register so we can see your comments at the top.

Anyway, you’ve noticed that we are the ones Jesus spoke of when he said that “they” would try to turn you away, etc.  I am fully aware of what Jesus said.  And while I DO sincerely applaud your idealism, the Bible CONDONES rape.  Do YOU have a daughter?  Then you need to concider certain parts of the Bible that show us that we, as women, are not worth but half a male to the great “I am”.  He conciders women less and if you’re flirty, you get scabs placed on your head and your vagina laid bare for all to see.  It’s in there!  I will provide references if you like.

Also, the male is worth 20 shekels of silver--you and I as women are worth 10. Half a male.  “God” is only the imagination of the men wrote him, just as the Koran is which bears the same warning about “us”.  Scribes of an iron-age.  Don’t take MY WORD for it!  No!  That way your Jesus (who condoned slavery btw.  read the book of Luke) won’t be in your head saying “it’s them, they’re the ones trying to take me from you"-which is your own mind based on your own belief system anyway.

So, I suggest you read the Bible.  Don’t listen to your priest or your pastor.  They have agendas, too.  READ the Bible.  All of it not just the nicey-nice parts.

God was written by men.  He didn’t exist so they mae him up!.  Do you ave a daughter?  Would you drown her?  God supposedly drown the entire creation except for Noah.  Do you condone this?  Isaiah 45:7 says that God created evil.  Read it.  Don’t pay any attention to my ramblings.

As for the Dead Sea Scrolls, they do NOT correlate with the Bible.  There goes your truth.  They have certain parts--Psalms. But they have more psalms than the Bible does.  Also, there are far more stories of Abraham than the Bible has.  THEY WERE JEWS!! haha Look, the rest doesn’t fit and since it was written before Jesus time (and an authentic writing) they mention nothing of your Jesus.  Why not?  Because it was before his time?  Why not tell of the coming messiah?  There’s nothing there.

Study up.  Then come back.  I would love to see you defend the indefensible.  But I would be happier if you just faced it--if there is a god, god is not the way these silly books are written.  I can think of a better way to save my “children” and so can you.

What does that say of your deity?  perhaps that he was written by men FOR men.  That’s why men can have concubines but women are to be stoned!  Still are stoned in some places today.  God demanded stonings.  Want to know what that is like?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIZJNrc8sKw

This is what your god called for MANY MANY TIMES in the Bible.  Jesus only called for the beatings of slaves.  He was, it’s true, the kinder face of god.  But then, he’s a sequel or after-thought.  Otherwise, why would he claim to be god?  He’s nothing like him. 

You need to truly study up.  First watch the video and then concider that this happened all the time because the writeres said “god told me to...stone you”.. Is this the god you wish to believe in?  IF so, you are evil. Full stop.

Prove it?  Sure, I can give you the verses in the old testament.  I can give you the history of each book however, this comes from the Bible and you don’t accept the Bible.  There are some outside evidence, however you will seek to find false diversions so what is the use..... None.

“First, that’s what the Taliban and Jihad freaks say.  But secondly, you don’t care what “humans” think.  It’s as if you’re separating yourself from the human race.”

******Exactly right.  They, clergy, family, friends from here on will be mislead by the big lie. Its coming. 

“You’re in way too deep.  And just because you blog about something, doesn’t mean you’re not afraid of it.  Especially since the things you fear are not real anyway.”

****Again, I have no fear of any of this, inclusive of Death, people, etc.....the only fear I have is whether or not I am completely obedient to God.  Nothing else. 

“God doesn’t bribe people?  I think you need to read Revelation and the streets of gold, walls of onyx, sapphires, rubies, topaz and every other gem.  Gates of pearls, etc. Revelation 21”

*****This isn’t bribery its called setting up a house.  An, none of this is for personal gain nor ownership.  Bribes are something entirely different.

“You fear Billy Sunday, Billy Graham, the Iluuminati.  I suggest you fear the political agendists that wrote to you that you’d better believe something or else.”

****Again, I tell you. I fear no one.  If I feared them then I wouldn’t use my real name on all blogs, become a whistle blower, and continue to use my name.  They all can kiss my “tuddiewacher”.....lolol..

“And then run!  They are the ones who have wreaked more havoc and evil in this world than any other force ever.”

*****Yes, and God will take care of that.  Yes they have hijacked “Religion, vatican, Masons, Jewish faith [zionist], and they pay in due time. 

Run???? since when?  I’m clearly not running anywhere.

“You already are showing your lack of knowledge and certainly shooting your credibility down as the Bible at no time was hearsay. It was written by eyewitnesses to the events with the exception of the creation and the future, but that was by the Holy Spirit.  The birth of Jesus was predicted in the Old testament, all through it.......and he actually fulfilled 37+ propheses in the OT of his being born”.

Okay then.  Feel free to prove this. If you cannot, then shenonymous is right, it’s your own belief, your own made up truth.  But go on, prove it.

The Bible is a historic mess.  Clearly you haven’t studied anything BUT the Bible. Of course it’s hearsay!  It was written by men who stole ideas from other men and even sages of the Tanakh! 

Why did you say “thank you but I am 55?” What is a mere 55 on Earth, much less in the grand sea of your immortal and eternal soul?  haha Tom, I know you’re in there.  I know it.  I know you know the truth but are afraid of it.

Tom, this statement is funny.  The height of it’s arrogance can’t be denied. I have to believe you didn’t mean this.  *I am laughing*

“I’m not on the Earth to be politically correct nor to care what other humans think.  That is the least of my concern with no exception”.

First, that’s what the Taliban and Jihad freaks say.  But secondly, you don’t care what “humans” think.  It’s as if you’re separating yourself from the human race.

You’re in way too deep.  And just because you blog about something, doesn’t mean you’re not afraid of it.  Especially since the things you fear are not real anyway.

God doesn’t bribe people?  I think you need to read Revelation and the streets of gold, walls of onyx, sapphires, rubies, topaz and every other gem.  Gates of pearls, etc. Revelation 21

The alluding to the Talmud was purposeful.  My point is, it doesn’t matter which of the Abrahmic faiths you choose.  They all claim to have the truth.  And they all want to scare you into believing that truth.  And all three wish to bribe you into believing.

You fear Billy Sunday, Billy Graham, the Iluuminati.  I suggest you fear the political agendists that wrote to you that you’d better believe something or else. And then run!  They are the ones who have wreaked more havoc and evil in this world than any other force ever.

“You are completely wrong as the gospels were written about 40 years after the alleged death of Jesus.”

******The last book of the Bible was written about 70-90 AD give or take.  The rest were written before that and by eyewitnesses.  Most enemies or unlearned persons of the Bible will say it was written hundreds of years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. 

“There are credible histories about who wrote the gospels, Matthew Mark Luke John and how they compare with each other.”

*****yes they are credible histories written by the gospels.  The Gnostic versions have no place or credible source part of the Bible.  The differences in the Gospels aren’t contradictions they complement each other.  This is what you people are missing. 

“You are not a scholar.  You are a bibliophile and want to believe the stories of whatever version you have decided you like the best.”

******You have no clue of my knowledge nor my background and yet you make assertions that are invalid but in your mind definite. This is what blows your credibility. 

“Your personal views do not make the truth.”

******Gotcha....I don’t use my personal views.  I use Biblical views based on Biblical principles.  You have no idea as you read the Bible not to learn but to discredit.  A poor job at best. 

“People like you are blinded by belief.”

*****oh...thank you. That is a complement. 

“It is too bad as you seem such a bright young man.”

****thank you....but, I’m 55.. 

Where exactly did Jesus say whatever you claim he said?  Your delusion is almost at bad as tgambills.

You are completely wrong as the gospels were written about 40 years after the alleged death of Jesus.  There are credible histories about who wrote the gospels, Matthew Mark Luke John and how they compare with each other.  You are not a scholar.  You are a bibliophile and want to believe the stories of whatever version you have decided you like the best.  Your personal views do not make the truth. 

People like you are blinded by belief.  It is too bad as you seem such a bright young man.

“If fear doesn’t work, bribe them with virgins, streets of gold, etc. If that doesn’t work, go back to fear and use seven headed dragons and boiling hot excrement or whatever else evil man has placed in the “true book”.”

******You are speaking of the false Gods and religions, [talmud]. 

“Sure, the love of money is the root of all evil.  But I guess if you’re god, it’s okay to bribe people with it.”

*****God doesn’t Bribe, or promise wealth.  Satan does.  Want the scriptures?  Otherwise, this is the what they would say.

“Tom, who do you think you’re kidding?  You’re scared to death of every conspiracy theory that you come across.”

*****lol...if I were I wouldn’t be on many blogs, with my very own name and speak out in public.  Google “Thomas Gambill + Kosovo”. Wrong again. 

“I know this was ingrained from religion.  Unless you’re mentally ill.  I have never thought that of you--I suppose it’s possible. You’re definitely deluding yourself”

****Religion has nothing to do with knowing the truth.  It just happens to be the truth.  Your option of being mentally ill is your own personal thoughts which have no basis of truth due to a biased attitude.  You can think anything you want of me, its not significant.  I’m not on the Earth to be politically correct nor to care what other humans think.  That is the least of my concern with no exception. 

“They’re all three CHOCK FULL of man-made lies and errors.  For you to sit there and say the KJV is intact is a bald faced lie.  You must know that!”

*****Not at this point.  I’ve been through all of this and discovered that most all are manmade and inspired by satanic inspiration to different levels.  This includes the Charasmatic movement brought about by the Illuminati. 

The push is for a new Messiah, a new Christ to come into view.  The only one is Jesus who died on the cross and rose again.  The wolves in sheeps clothing now and supporting the same religion that Oprah is coming up with are the following: Robert Shueller, Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Bishop Pearson, Bishop Braizer, the list if growing.  I also found that the Illuminati has widely used these folks.  I quote from Roosevelt’s Communist Manifesto, by Emanuel Josephson, 1955, page 62-63.

“Whenever under attack, the Rockefellers make such “philanthropic” gesture, particularly to religion.  In the early part of this century following the outraged outcry of the nation at the brutal Colorado Fuel & Iron massacre of their workers, the set up hte Laura Spelman Rockfeller Memorial.  It initially was entirely devoted to “charity” and support of churches; but as soon as pubic attention was diverted, its moneys went ot the support went to the support of subversion and the Illuminati-communist comspiracy under the direction of Beardsley Ruml.  THEY ALSO LAUNCHED BILLY SUNDAY ON HIS EVANGELICAL REVIVALISM IN THAT ERA AS THEY ARE NOW DOING WITH BILLY GRAHAM. [1950’s].  Weishaupt taught his followers well the value of using “religion” and “philantropy” as a cover for the conspiracy.  In 1936, Naval Intelligence pronounced the “Federal Council of Churches of Christ” ran by John Foster Dulles [Dulles Airport], a one of the most dangerous subversive institutions in the country.  Dulles worked for Rockefellers.

“However, you don’t know that,...” However, if one doesn’t know, there is nothing more that can be said that could be believable.”

*****Actually, speaking in reality we do know. The Bible tells us what we want to know.  You are the ones that have nothing to go by but your own devices, personal wisdom based on your past, the History books, your personal desires etc.....which we know that the history books is bunk....and the MSM lies and has lied since before any of us was born...the only book in existence, literally is the Bible....

“You are trying to say that a thing exists without having any knowledge that it does exist.”

*****The knowledge does exist for us that believe and subsequently knows that the Bible is correct.

“And you are offering fear of the unknown as a justification for your beliefs.  You are exactly using fear to try to force the belief that there will be a day of reckoning by some supernatural entity.”

*****you call it fear, but it is reality of what the result of sin will be.  Its like you tell a person who is getting ready to commit mass murder that he can be executed if caught.  Is that fear or is that the truth of what the punishment will be.  In this case, any sin that is committed in the sight of God is death...and a permanent separation from his grace.  This is the reason he sent Jesus [God incarnate] to take the punishment for those sins.....and all we have to do is believe on him and repent.  simple truth.

“Your bible is not historically correct, and that has been proven.”

******I know that you haven’t but, you will say so no matter what to cover all your bases.  It has never been proven historically incorrect.  The only controversal part of the Bible are the miracles and proving the claims that Jesus made referring himself to be God. 

You already are showing your lack of knowledge and certainly shooting your credibility down as the Bible at no time was hearsay. It was written by eyewitnesses to the events with the exception of the creation and the future, but that was by the Holy Spirit.  The birth of Jesus was predicted in the Old testament, all through it.......and he actually fulfilled 37+ propheses in the OT of his being born.

“And you are offering fear of the unknown as a justification for your beliefs.  You are exactly using fear to try to force the belief that there will be a day of reckoning by some supernatural entity.”

Ew!  Well, put!  I am in such a crappy mood tonight, but I wish I had noticed that.  It makes my very point.  If you can’t love them into heaven, use fear.  If fear doesn’t work, bribe them with virgins, streets of gold, etc. If that doesn’t work, go back to fear and use seven headed dragons and boiling hot excrement or whatever else evil man has placed in the “true book”.

Sure, the love of money is the root of all evil.  But I guess if you’re god, it’s okay to bribe people with it.

Tom, who do you think you’re kidding?  You’re scared to death of every conspiracy theory that you come across.  I know this was ingrained from religion.  Unless you’re mentally ill.  I have never thought that of you--I suppose it’s possible. You’re definitely deluding yourself.

“If you choose Salvation, repent and follow Jesus Christ, and for sake of argument he didn’t exist and you followed his commandments, plus to love one another, I don’t see anything wrong with that.  You just lived a good life.  However, if you are wrong and he exists [which he does], your eternity is set.......easy choice.”

Yes, yes, unless the Jews are right or Islam’s truth is THE truth.  Then we’re all fucked.  And all because “god” (whichever one is real) asked us to choose based on a blind faith that was written by untrustworthy sources: MEN.

The Muslims say the same.  They have the book of the prophet.  The Jews say the same.  They, too, have a book that holds the truth.  The old adage comes in handy.  You can’t all be right, but you can all be wrong. Since all three are politically motivated, my guess is that they’re not just wrong, but that they are evil.  Yep!  If there is a god, s/he/it is nothing to do with those books.  They’re all three CHOCK FULL of man-made lies and errors.  For you to sit there and say the KJV is intact is a bald faced lie.  You must know that!

The problem is tgambill, if you don’t know, then whatever it is you don’t know, nothing at all can be said about it.  No knowledge exists.  You say, “Okay, then you live, die and then that is it for you.  However, you don’t know that,...” However, if one doesn’t know, there is nothing more that can be said that could be believable. 

Again, if someone doesn’t know what an afterlife might offer, nothing at all can be said about it.  One cannot make any assumptions at all based on ignorance.  Nothing assumed can ever be checked out because there is no knowledge involved, but that is exactly what you are trying to do.  You are trying to say that a thing exists without having any knowledge that it does exist. 

And you are offering fear of the unknown as a justification for your beliefs.  You are exactly using fear to try to force the belief that there will be a day of reckoning by some supernatural entity. 

Your bible is not historically correct, and that has been proven.  You simply refuse to believe the evidence that it is incorrect.  The bible you are referring to is merely a bunch of scribbles by a collection of goat herders who wrote down hearsay stories.  Nothing is corroborated by any reliable sources.  Even the gospels contradict one another.  The stories don’t match up, even of the same alleged events. 

No only that but your last post sunk into incoherent babble.

“You know what’s even more amazing, Tom?  Your paranoia.  It’s another “tell”.  It reveals why you would fear for an afterlife.”

******There is no paranoia.  There is concern for the truth to be known and told.  Not the lies, the evil that pervades in peoples lives and they don’t even know it.  You mistake my drive to inform people; linked with my personal fears or feelings.  They are not. I have no fear of the after life.  I have a concern to spread truth among the liars in the same vein that the Liars want to spread their lies and misconceptions.  So, you continue to make erroneous assumptions about what people think or feel or know for that matter. 

“By the way, AKgurl didnt’ say that she would go out of her mind without her god.  This is what she said: “That when you die, you just dissolve into the ground and thats it..?? For me, I would go absolutely mad if that was how I saw my present and future existence.”

*****okay, so......?  Its linked to the same thing.  Again you like to split hairs and twist things to fit your perception and spreading the misconception.  It just means she is honest about truth which is unlike those that are in denial of truth. 

“More paranoia.  What’s wrong with falling to sleep?  I didn’t hear Beethoven.  Neither did you.  We won’t hear the next prodigy after we die either.”

******For someone that has no real clue about the afterlife you sure are pretending that you do.  Just because you don’t know, doesn’t mean that you can make any assumptions as you say that we as Christians can’t make.  you have no idea..........you have no evidence either written or otherwise that you can even call false.  We at least have the Bible that no one can refute, is historically correct....so that is more than you have.

“Non-existence isn’t anything to fear.  However, did I or didn’t I please such and such a god, is something to fear.”

*****okay, lets assume that you are right.  Non existence isn’t anything to fear?  Okay, then you live, die and then that is it for you.  However, you don’t know that, nor do you have any reports, dogma, or otherwise to point to.  True or not from your perspective, we have the Bible to back it up.  Now, if you are right, assuming, then there isn’t anything to fear either way.  However, if you are wrong.......as the Bible says, or even if you don’t read the Bible, you have picked your eternity and you chose to spend it in Hell.  Its your choice.  If you choose Salvation, repent and follow Jesus Christ, and for sake of argument he didn’t exist and you followed his commandments, plus to love one another, I don’t see anything wrong with that.  You just lived a good life.  However, if you are wrong and he exists [which he does], your eternity is set.......easy choice. 

Whether you have the right god or not.  Whether you had the right religion or not...fear, fear, fear, fear.  Control the people with silly tales of fear. Fuck love! FEAR.  Love is a hippy thing.  FEAR is a religious thing.  It works!  Just look at yourself and you will see it.

You know what’s even more amazing, Tom?  Your paranoia.  It’s another “tell”.  It reveals why you would fear for an afterlife. 

By the way, AKgurl didnt’ say that she would go out of her mind without her god.  This is what she said: “That when you die, you just dissolve into the ground and thats it..?? For me, I would go absolutely mad if that was how I saw my present and future existence.”

More paranoia.  What’s wrong with falling to sleep?  I didn’t hear Beethoven.  Neither did you.  We won’t hear the next prodigy after we die either.  Non-existence isn’t anything to fear.  However, did I or didn’t I please such and such a god, is something to fear.

Whether you have the right god or not.  Whether you had the right religion or not...fear, fear, fear, fear.  Control the people with silly tales of fear. Fuck love! FEAR.  Love is a hippy thing.  FEAR is a religious thing.  It works!  Just look at yourself and you will see it.

As I told you, paranoia will destroy ya.

The freedom is truth.  She was honest to say that if she didn’t have God in her life she would be out of her mind.  Meaning, because of the evil that persists and the supernatual presence of God through Jesus Christ he sustains her.  I can’t judge your claim to be Christian, and I can’t judge, assuming you are truthful, you LOSS of faith as we all are tested, but the true of faith doesn’t leave.  He is there for us and will test our faith.  You have shedded reason and you have shedded light.....others won’t suffer like you since then have stronger faith and patience. 

You tend to act friendly or write that way to sway, then you go off on a tangent...) very clever.  Anyway,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549

Its long but interesting of the what’s going to happen.  It is a fact that there is an ancient plan hidden for centuries deep within secret societies.  It has been designed to bring all of mankind under a single world government, A NEW WORLD ORDER.  It is so old it is even mentioned in the Bible, even as to the characters.  The Rule of the Anti-Christ mentioned in the Revelation of Saint John the Divine. 

He’s not talking about the communists, he is talking about the 33rd degree Masons, Skull and Bones, control of the media.  The Kennedy’s are a part of the Illuminati.  A true American.  He died for it as did Robert and many others.  Major General Smedley Butler did also, “War is a Racket”....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS7l6i4w11U&feature =related

“ have news for you, the truth will come out one last time before the Tribulations start.  AKgurl already is many light years ahead of learning anything from this conversation I am having from you two.”

Like I said, Tom, tick tock.

As for AKgurl I applaud her for being honest enough to reveal that “she would go out of her mind” if she didn’t have her belief system.  But in the long run, my guess is that she’s going out of her mind wondering anyway.  Otherwise, what is she doing here?  For that matter what are you doing here, Tom?  Anyone with a half wit can see your tales are tall and belong solely to you.

As for me, I am shedding reason and light so that others never suffer what I did when I was a Christian.  If anyone takes something from the logic I type, I am glad, glad, glad.  Thats one step closer to freedom for them.

Prayers are useless.  But if it makes one feel better, go for it.  Psychological devices can be helpful to make it through the night (or any anxious problem).  Course I think a glass of Cabernet could do a lot more good.  At least one can feel the effect, it tastes great, and you can have a great salad with it, and....some fresh bread.  But facing the reality of truth, now that is the hard part, and the delusional fairy tales keep the veils over one’s eyes and prevents one from being a whole and integrated human being.  Religion is a narcotic and keeps truth from the door.

Its interesting to hear that we go out of our mind, by believing in Jesus.  Its quite the opposite.  They are providing labels that could very well be Freudian slips......You are right about praying for them, as I don’t really flame anymore like I did.  Every once and a while I’ll throw a negative comment or judgment in that direction but, I catch myself afterwards and realize that it was not the thing to do.  I’m working on that.  We cannot trust any human, Pope, Preacher, Minister or pastor, etc....until we know the or she is teaching that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way.  Not Christ, but, Jesus Christ.  A false christ and messiah is coming soon that will make even the atheist bow down or die......this is by their own plans and quotes. 

August 15, 1871 - Now, can any thinking person doubt that the intrigue now going on in the near Middle and far East is designed to accomplish that satanic objective? Albert Pike himself foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini. Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England; he said:

“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both ! conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

This is entirely wrong at what you are saying.  The Lack of awareness and denial on the part of Atheist will be the shock and awe they will experience when the time of judgment comes.  Science fails, evolution fails, the New Age Designers have failed in producing results but succeeded in misleading an unaware public.  Atheism and New Age Religion have no root system but they do have a common internal fear.  The fear that just maybe Jesus doesn’t really exist.  If I close my eyes and believe otherwise maybe it will just be.  I have news for you, the truth will come out one last time before the Tribulations start.  AKgurl already is many light years ahead of learning anything from this conversation I am having from you two.  I’m surprised that Jimmy the Rocket hasn’t shown up by now.....)

part II, we have an incredible future up ahead. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M&feature =related

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Hello, I agree with you.  We have have to watch our backdoor as well.  I have discovered that the church is falling away as the Revelation has said.  The push is for a new Messiah, a new Christ to come into view.  The only one is Jesus who died on the cross and rose again.  The wolves in sheeps clothing now and supporting the same religion that Oprah is coming up with are the following: Robert Shueller, Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Bishop Pearson, Bishop Braizer, the list if growing.  I also found that the Illuminati has widely used these folks.  I quote from Roosevelt’s Communist Manifesto, by Emanuel Josephson, 1955, page 62-63.

“Whenever under attack, the Rockefellers make such “philanthropic” gesture, particularly to religion.  In the early part of this century following the outraged outcry of the nation at the brutal Colorado Fuel & Iron massacre of their workers, the set up hte Laura Spelman Rockfeller Memorial.  It initially was entirely devoted to “charity” and support of churches; but as soon as pubic attention was diverted, its moneys went ot the support went to the support of subversion and the Illuminati-communist comspiracy under the direction of Beardsley Ruml.  THEY ALSO LAUNCHED BILLY SUNDAY ON HIS EVANGELICAL REVIVALISM IN THAT ERA AS THEY ARE NOW DOING WITH BILLY GRAHAM. [1950’s].  Weishaupt taught his followers well the value of using “religion” and “philantropy” as a cover for the conspiracy.  In 1936, Naval Intelligence pronounced the “Federal Council of Churches of Christ” ran by John Foster Dulles [Dulles Airport], a one of the most dangerous subversive institutions in the country.  Dulles worked for Rockefellers. 

http://youtube.com/watch?
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http://procinwarn.com/billy.htm

http://100777.com/node/498

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Thanks for the prayers AKgurl, but I believe that’s when you don’t do anything and feel like your have helped.  So it’s really not necessary.

As for this statement: “At least for me in my defense of believing in Christ and the Lord our God I can safely say,..Why live your life everyday thinking that you were just here by chance?”

Don’t you think you’re taking just as big of a chance in believing Christ is the Lord your God and not Allah?  No, because my guess is, you live in the western world.  You’re really no different than anyone.  You’ve just deluded yourself that you have the answer.  I say there’s no god.  You say it’s Jesus.  Someone else says it’s Allah, and yet someone else says it’s YHWH.

You’re taking a huge risk.  Just as big as anyone else.  Your piety is only surpassed by your fear.  My question to you is: why live in fear?  You don’t KNOW that Jesus is lord or that he ever even existed- so why go “out of your mind”?  Just live the one life you know you have.

Akgurl, you can deny anything you want.  It is your prerogative to believe anything you want.  But if you make a public statement then you are hoping to receive confirmation of your beliefs.  Your comment is typical of those who have given up their own mind to fables and stories because of the fear of death and the ignorance of the nature of the universe in which you find yourself.  That is the ancient and primitive fear and origin of religion.  You feel the infant comfort in thinking you have “something” that takes care of you.  From your own words you are emotionally dependent on a caregiver.  Why live your life dependent on a fictionalized supernatural being?  Why do you not take responsibility yourself to make your life meaningful?  What is really so bad at dissolving back into the particles from whence you came?  You have no consciousness of yourself before you were born, why need a consciousness of a sort after you die?  You have your rathers and preferences of thinking you will somehow live forever, eternally even after your body dies.  And that is all you know.  You know only your own fear and have laziness of mind.  What might “you” be like after you die?  Will you still be you?  You might cruise the entire set of comments, all the pages of this article to see the evolution of the dialogue that tgambill and Annie Reitano are now having.  They represent the two different polls of the human mind.  Ignorance and truthful awareness.  You might learn something.

HAHAHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ANrvQC4wIk&feature =related

God, spirit, Nephilm, Cherubim, seraphim, satan, unicorns, half men-half creature/angel giants, lucifer, Joseph, twelve brothers, disowned by everyone but father, KING JOSEPH--Jesus, miracles, walking on water, healing the sick, making the parlyzed walk again, touch his robe and you’ll be fine, twelve disciples, one denies him, disowned by everyone except dad, (because he was his own dad) KING JESUS....

It’s a re-run of the OT.  But I am prepared.  tick tock tick tcck.

Dear gods and monsters, your time is running out. 

haha It IS bullcrap!!  It’s so mythological that anyone who believes it today is batshit crazy.  It’s like the Scientologist, alien huggers.  What is happening to the melted minds of people??

I think it’s our inner need to feel special.  I really do.  I know that’s what it was for me.  Terrible parents (good xians! go figure) but terrible parenting.  I never felt a part of any crowd or group.  Jesus made it all clear to me.  Until I read about his dad! 

Lewis Black was right.  God calmed down after having a son.  Enjoy the comic side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g&NR=1

What a bunch of bull crap!

no, not full stop.  Its all true and it all happened as it was written.  Read the prophesy of now and be prepared for the fulfillment of the next prophetic events that will happen. 

I have been fully aware of the different times.  You are smoking something and it isn’t menthol....

I’ll make is short and sweet.....He sent down Watchers, to guide man, as they were given human bodies, no parents of man.  There is a difference.  Son of man, daughters of man are just that....The OT was tough on those that were not in God’s favor.  They were evil and so forth...with Nephilim bloodlines.

“Well, at least you acknowledge that the times were different then and now.  Amazing.  You fail to be aware that the times were different except for now you freely admit it.....hmmmmmmm?”

Lay off the wine, Tom.  I never said that times today were the same.  Quite the contrary.  It’s been my main point.  You believe iron-age primitives and I believe what I understand today--it’s all bullshit and is impossible, not improbable.  It’s all simply myth.  I have always said that.  Full stop.

“And it came to pass . . . That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. . . . There were giants [nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” (Genesis 6:1-4)

Angels had sex with women.  So, we have half man-half human creatures on the earth.  mmm hmmm You’re drinking tonight, aren’t you Tom?  Angels came to bed down women with their giant penises.  Hey!  I thought that angels were androgynous.  Xian apologists say that they’re androgynis and try to dismiss Nephilm talk.  That’s one more version .....

“And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was 675,000 sheep, And 72,000 beeves, And 61,000 asses, And 32,000 persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him . . . of which the Lord’s tribute was 32 persons. And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord’s heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.” (Numbers 31:32-41)

Yep! ..As the Lord commanded Moses.  I must have that taken right out of context.  hahaha

lol.....wow. I’m sure dealing with two ladies for sure.  Got to eat a pizza or chinoese....ya’ll have a nice evening....naw....ye hear.

“There’s also a place in the Bible where giant in the land (Nephilim) had sex with women.  This is a lot more mythological than realistic, but it’s often passed over by xians.”

*****The sons of God were beings created after Adam and were created to help man.  They are also referred to as Watchers.  Read Nephilim Stargates, Return of the Watchers by Thomas Horn.  They are referred thoughout the old testament. 

“My point about that story is that god was all happy about it.  There’s another place where he said to “keep the women for yourselves as booty”.  Yep!  It’s in there.”

******You see, at this point you lie.  This is where my respect departs.  Anyone with half a brain would read the rest as this is typical of what I was referring to about taking scripture out of context.  Your credibility is shot.  You won’t agree with this but your and sheno’s disagreements are not even close to credible.  Read Genesis 6: 5-9.  If you can read English well, you will read that in verse 6, that God was not happy at all.......duh!!!!!

“If this god was real, he would have been killed already.  haha No woman today would allow scribes to write like that.”

******Well, at least you acknowledge that the times were different then and now.  Amazing.  You fail to be aware that the times were different except for now you freely admit it.....hmmmmmmm?

Of course the Angel appeared to her.  This was in an arabic country and computers or cars weren’t even in existence.  lolol....) Meaning, you have a different era, different culture, different set of morals and they weren’t atheist.  Also, the ERA wasn’t formed there until a few years later...) lol. 

I actually don’t have the time.  Its predictable your responses......and I have much work to do.  It has nothing to do with not liking it.  The day is in fact coming soon.

You are welcome Annie. 

However, more than 200 denigrating comments about women ought to be daunting to you tgambill since you never offer any evidence for your blatant and bombastic comments.  I just offered a guide.  You can eat your bible for all I care since it is perfect fodder for silverfish.  I haven’t taken anything out of context.  I just offered a guide.  The bible is there for anyone with half a brain to read.  Of course a male god would never have to think about asking permission to screw a young woman of 13!  You and your god are sick entities to be sure.  Why an all powerful god would need to issue his progenic self is, upon even the slightest thought, ridiculous, and a true blasphemy is raping a girl to do it.  Why didn’t he fuck a tree instead?  As an all powerful god he ought to be able to fashion a son out of a wooden tree, after all he fashioned a man out of dirt, didn’t he?  Well, so you believe.  And why would god need a penis anyway?  A ghostly Holy Ghost penis?  Slinking around laying on a young unmarried girl.  Another monstrous thought.  Only men can think of such inanity and excuse to scare the public to death.  You had better read some comparative religion histories.  Almost all the big kahoonas of the various cultures of the world had virgin births, even Ghengis Khans is reported to have been birthed by a virgin.  There is no talking to men of little brains about it.  They all lead with their big john thomases.  You are the one with two choices.  Believe your patronistically invented fictions so that you men may continue absolute control of everything, and every vagina or use the brain evolution gave you.  I do not believe you are capable of the latter.

Yes, I did know that Shenonymous. But I wouldn’t have been able to find so many verses as quickly as I can now. Thank you!

There’s also a place in the Bible where giant in the land (Nephilim) had sex with women.  This is a lot more mythological than realistic, but it’s often passed over by xians. 

My point about that story is that god was all happy about it.  There’s another place where he said to “keep the women for yourselves as booty”.  Yep!  It’s in there.

If this god was real, he would have been killed already.  haha No woman today would allow scribes to write like that.  But, we have laws and we have female law makers.  Somewhere in time, man figured out in a hurry that he had brute strength over women.  And he’s been using it for sex (and other things) ever since.

“Each verse if understood in its correct context is virtually opposite of what you say it is.  I don’t have the time to correct your spinning, however, the time will come when the truth will become undeniable”

Tick tock, like I said.  How ridiculous that “I spun those right out of context.”

Did an angel of the Lord appear before a woman named in Mary in Luke chapter one and tell her this or NOT?

Go ahead, I know you’ve the time. I also know that you know that I DID NOT take it out of context, but quoted it utterly.  You don’t like that so now you “don’t have the time” to refute my statements.  You’ve only the time to spew more rhetoric about how “the day is coming”...well, tick tick.

your lack of understanding and taking verses as you see them, spinning them out of context only leads to your own delusion and as God has said, “I will send them great delusion that they should believe a lie.”

Each verse if understood in its correct context is virtually opposite of what you say it is.  I don’t have the time to correct your spinning, however, the time will come when the truth will become undeniable. 

Isaiah 3:16-17 God scourges, rapes haughty women for example.  the dramatic vividness with which the prophet pictures himself the scene of judgment, he is obliged to break off at the very beginning of his description, because another world of Jehovah comes upon him.  This applies to the women of Jerusalem, whose authority at the time when Isaiah prophesied, was not less influential than that of their husbandas shoe had forgotten their calling.  The inward pride Ezek 16:50 and Zeph 3:11, they walk with extended throat bending the neck back trying to make themselves taller than they really are, because they think themselves so great.  winking and flirting.......basically the example is referring to the desire that we be humble in our walk and correct in our humility.  You write and speak with authority of the truth of the Bible that you know nothing about. 

God didn’t have to ask permission to bring into this world the savior.  He knew that the savior would be accepted.  You keep forgetting that you have only two choices...be with God or be with Satan.  You don’t have a third choice.  Life or death.  You pick Satan by default of your decision not to accept God’s offer of Salvation.  A person cannot serve two masters, he would love the one and hate the other.  You’ve made your choices.  Your interpretations are wrong and out of context, which will determine your eternity.  I wasn’t going to comment any longer as its turned into a time consuming effort......but, this I couldn’t help.

I do not consider myself a militant feminist, as I happen to think men are just as important as women.  But I believe the cult of the penis has kept women in their slavish place since the egalitarian goddess cultures from Neolithic period and a much more recent the culture centered on Malta about 3000 years ago.  The history of women and subjugation is fascinating and modern women ought to pay attention to their ancient development.  Men and women can live properly together but only with absolute personal regard.

Annie you probably already know this fact but there are more than 200 bible verses that specifically belittle and demean women.  Check out the following site as it was an eye opener

http://ffrf.org/nontracts/women.php

Here are just a few of the verses (I don’t know if the formatting will hold up on this forum but it was copied from the site noted above):
Genesis 2:22 Woman created from Adam’s rib
3:16 Woman cursed: maternity a sin, marriage a bondage
19:1-8 Rape virgins instead of male angels

Exodus 20:17 Insulting Tenth Commandment, considering a wife to be
property
21:7-11 Unfair rules for female servants, may be sex slaves
22:18 “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”
38:8 Women may not enter tabernacle they must support

Leviticus 12:1-14 Women who have sons are unclean 7 days
12:4-7 Women who have daughters are unclean 14 days
15:19-23 Menstrual periods are unclean
19:20-22 If master has sex with engaged woman, she shall be
scourged

Numbers 1:2 Poll of people only includes men
5:13-31 Barbaric adulteress test
31:16-35 “Virgins” listed as war booty

Deuteronomy 21:11-14 Rape manual
22:5 Abomination for women to wear men’s garments, vice-
versa
22:13-21 Barbaric virgin test
22:23-24 Woman raped in city, she & her rapist both stoned to
death
22:28-29 Woman must marry her rapist
24:1 Men can divorce woman for “uncleanness,” not vice-
versa
25:11-12 If woman touches foe’s penis, her hand shall be cut
off

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah’s nameless daughter sacrificed
19:22-29 Concubine sacrificed to rapist crowd to save man

I Kings 11:1-4 King Solomon had 700 wives & 300 concubines

Job 14:1-4 “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one . . .”

Proverbs 7:9-27 Evil women seduce men, send them to hell
11:22 One of numerous Proverbial putdowns

Isaiah 3:16-17 God scourges, rapes haughty women

Ezekiel 16:45 One of numerous obscene denunciations

Matthew 24:19 “[woe] to them that are with child”

Luke 2:22 Mary is unclean after birth of Jesus

I Corinthians 11:3-15 Man is head of woman; only man in God’s image
14:34-35 Women keep in silence, learn only from husbands

Ephesians 5:22-33 “Wives, submit . . .”

Colossians 3:18 More “wives submit”

I Timothy 2:9 Women adorn selves in shamefacedness
2:11-14 Women learn in silence in all subjection; Eve was
sinful, Adam blameless

Yes!  I agree Shenonymous.  I have had other thoughts along that line.  When you think about it, all three of the Abrahmic primitives were just virgin obsessed.  Even long before the New Testament.  In the Old Testament, the men wrote that their god told them to rape women.  The Koran continues--even to this day.  Not as an excuse for them but I can see why they’re still obsessed.  They’re still OPPRESSED, while westerners get as much as they want because magic Jesus forgives them.  They know this before hand, and Jesus knows it before hand, but it’s still okay.  WTF??!!?

In the New Testament, the new god, Jesus, was born of the rape of his father.  Concider: Luke chapter one verse 29 where Mary is greeted by an angel *haha, this is for ‘real’* She is greatly TROUBLED and the angel says, “don’t worry Mary, you have found favour with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you will call him Jesus. He’’ll be the Son of the Most High, and great, etc.. etc…

Then Mary wonders how this will be when she’s still a virgin.  So the angel tells her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you and the holy one to be born will be called the “Son of the Most High”, etc..

Now, at what point did New Testament god ever ask Mary her permission?  And what woman would say “Oh my soul doth magnify the Lord for doing this great thing to me (albeit without my permission, I am not married so it’s likely I will be stoned to death) but ooohhhh YAYYY!”

I am a woman.  And I know of no woman who would like that or who would want that--even today!  What makes the loonies believe that a virgin woman would a). believe this B). call her son Jesus because an angel told her to even though her religion was Judaism and the Messiah were to be called Emmanuel.  And c).  Just think it was great that god didn’t consult with her first. i.e. the best the “Most High” could do was rape a virgin to save the world.  gak!  Of COURSE men wrote this crap.

Let’s break it down.  God sent a third of his being to rape a virgin woman so that she could give birth to the other third of him.

Right. That’s not mythology at all.  haha That would happen!  I am sure!  And she was poor but never had to turn a coin by doing the flippy flop.  But to add zest, we do have Mary Magdalene to make it spicy for the sex deprived male mind to salve up his thought with.  He can dream all day about how Jesus must have wanted to fuck her, but since he was the product of a holy rape job, he constrained himself.

I cannot believe that I am talking about people’s true beliefs and not some dim-witted movie.  And it doesn’t matter how you get pregnant, fucking, spraying your eggs with sperms, a holy being overshadowing you--if you are a virgin in a town that stones you for such an act, you are raped, and you are unhappy.

Satan knows the Bible better than any man. Satan was around during this time and he has created a deceptive world that would make an attempt to obscure the truth.  Its not the age or the similar circumstances..its the source of the inspiration.  Satan........is the source and the Nephilim provided the gods.......

In 1841 Clinton Roosevelt published in America “The Science of Government Founded on Natural Laws”, This was nothing more than a plagiarized version of the teachings of Professor Adam Weishaupt of Frankfort University, Germany, the renegade Jesuit priest who arranged for the agenteur of the Illuminati to infiltrate into French Freemasonary in 1776 so “The Secret Power” which directed the World Revolutionary Movement, and the Conspiracy of Satan, at that time could use Freemasonsary to further their secret plans and ambitious and at the same time cloak their diabolitical purpose. 

The fact that FDR’s New Deal, his NRA, and other political policies and economic devices fitted perfectly into the “Long Range Plans”, of the Illuminati proved the continuity of the conspiracy from 1841 to 1945.  It has been explained that Roosevelt made known his secret plans to establish a dictatorship in American in March 1939 when he gave a secret audience to some of his governments special committee.  It has also been mentioned that Roosevelt was kept a virtual prisoner from after Yalta until his death presumably to prevent him telling the truth in the event his conscience troubled him when he realized that he was about to meet his maker. 

http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlpL7qZxPhA&feature =related

“You have great wishful thinking.  But you’ve shown nothing except some excerpts by an ‘awe inspired” pantheist.”

******As I said before, you can’t allow even one concession as your house of cards would fall. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLFBUrHPmNM&feature =related

Its coming soon........just sit tight and watch the dollars fall and martial law engaged and a luciferian regime take over.

“Sorry Tom, but Einstein explained very directly to anyone who has a thinking mind that he was a believer in god so far as science could teach.”
HE DID NOT BELIEVE IN A PERSONAL GOD.

******I am aware of his not accepting a personal God.  He in essence thought that if a God judged us he also placed upon himself.  So, I assume that you agree with his beliefs?  He was either an atheist or he believed in the following, unless you didn’have your reading glasses with the rose lens
Quote:

“Even Einstein came to the conclusion that there was a higher reasoning power within the universe. He had trouble on a personal basis accepting this, but had to concede due to his theories working out (long story short and factual).”

Now, Dawkins doesn’t even believe in this.  So, now you either agree with him or you don’t.  If you don’t means I’m correct.  If you do, then you are admitting there is some sort of intelligent force out there....which would support intelligent design.  So, which is it.....?? hmmmmmm
“His life was devoted to science!  Like he would give that all up on his death bed after everything he saw and went through.”

******uh yes.....this happens to folks as a matter of rule.  This was the reason the Illuminati had FDR placed in Yalta.  March 4, 1939 - Quote from a report of the secret committee by President Roosevelt,; “I am making no concessions to business, or for relief.  I have a military machine sufficient to stop any organized revolt.  I am putting MY PEOPLE ahead of all instruments.  I’ll have had a full understanding with Chamberlain, and we will destroy this unemployed condition with a WAR, and a WAR only.  To Hell with the American people, as far as a Democracy is concerned.  It does not exist.  It never did, and we will never let it happen that way.  I am going to crush business, infest America with all the aliens possible, and in the last analysis, declare Martial Law, and confiscate everything I need for a true and forceful Dictatorship.  My New Deal is a failure, and I know it, but no one else will tell me that I must discontinue my present activities, and program.” From the Secret Audience with the Military Appropriation Committee; The Ways and Means Committee; The Special War Finance Committee; and this copy was presented to me by mail through Senator Lundeen.” “The Red Fog Over America” by William Guy Carr, 1955.

I think, Annie, it is partly because of the male denial of their inclination to rape young fertile women.  It is their historic guilt that makes them invent stories of virgin births then believe their own fables of mystery.  Then they may deny their criminality for violating another human being, a woman, or the idea of woman in the abstract, and being the perpetrator and accomplice in the human incarnation of their invented god.  They hide wherever they can, even in fictions.  It is the lure the mysterious that romantically beckons. The absolute irony is that they made up their own romance.  It is like they play hide and seek.  Only they are the hiders and the seekers at the same time.  It is an interesting psychological trick.

Rhetorically speaking, what is the inordinate and desperate need to worship anything?  It is that insane need that is the predicate for all else that has become the edifice for religion.  We know it is the historical need to assuage the fear of death that led to all religions.  Until that is exorcised, the more evolved unbelievers will have a time with those zealots who cling to the irrational literally for dear life.

OH MY!  *all cap locked letters for emphasis, not yelling*

What I woudn’t do, oh yea.
For Sam Harris’ IQ...oh yea, shooby dooby doo bop bow! 

What is it with all these “god-like” gurus being born of virgins.  Men are so obsessed with this idea.  Before the story of Jesus, all Egyptian gods were --Yes!  Born of virgins.  Why not a lowly guy be born of a lowly whore?  NO!  Not in the minds of ridiculous primitives.  Why would that ever happen to anyone in a lowly state of being in ..this world..?  hahahaha It’s enough to make ya think out loud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqjB31xiE9k

Sorry Tom, but Einstein explained very directly to anyone who has a thinking mind that he was a believer in god so far as science could teach.  He was, what he called and what we understand him today to be, a Pantheist.  The Universe was the god in which he spoke.  HE DID NOT BELIEVE IN A PERSONAL GOD.

Now, read here about the truth on Darwin.  He stopped believing in the Bible when he was 40...read the whole thing.  You will see his decline and there was NO DEATH BED RECANTATION!!!  Be serious!  His life was devoted to science!  Like he would give that all up on his death bed after everything he saw and went through.

Sorry to say, but you xians only WISH that were true.  Xians said that about Newton, too!  Sure, he was buried at Westmimster Abbey, but the church had to think about it because he was into alchemy and all kinds of crap.  He was concidered to be a heretic.

Xians say the same about Thomas Paine (whose dying letter I have a copy of) and he NEVER NEVER relented!

You have great wishful thinking.  But you’ve shown nothing except some excerpts by an ‘awe inspired” pantheist.  And why not?  I don’t blame him.  I would feel the same about the universe if I saw it the way he did.  As it is, it’s a marvelous thing.

Read and learn my friend: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/darwin.html