Oh, and also, I forgot to touch on this with you.  You said: *****yes, you speak truth.  Man has made more than 30 K stories.  The Book was written by eyewitnesses and the last book was written by John by 95 AD.  The Bible on the other had was inspired by God. “

Where are these eyewitnesses today?  Do you think it was fair of god to allow eyewitnesses then and not now?  Or would you say that’s a level playing field? 

How do you know that Revelation was written by John since man has, by your own admittance, altered the scriptures?

If the Bible was inspired by god, that is, a great deity with this wonderful plan (by your standards, not mine), how do you explain the babies being dashed against rocks?  (Psalms)  Don’t say because David wrote it because remember, god was guiding his hand.  Why would god say a thing like that through David?

What about the slaves all through the old and new testaments?  Do you think that was divine hand writing?  And if you do, since god’s word stands forever, don’t you think we should have slaves today, sell our virgin daughters and stone our rebellious sons?  OR did god change his mind entirely when he became Jesus in the New Testament, thereby changing his mind regarding the OT law.  But then…he doesn’t change his mind like man does, or does he?

“God is not like men, who lie; He is not a human who changes his mind. Whatever he promises, he does; He speaks and it is done.” - Numbers 23:19

“So the Lord changed his mind and did not bring on his people the disaster he threatened.” - Exodus 32:14

What about the dozens of contradictions—one of which I just showed you again..  does god change his mind, or doesn’t he?

Answer all these queries and we’ll see.

****** he wasn’t a robot..he had free will.  that is the point.”

Okay, but you said: “*****It has to do with the separation of Good and evil.  Evil was necessary to give man that choice to make in order to exercise his perfect free will.”

If they were already practicing free will and not doing any wrong as the Bible shows plainly by the way everyon was getting along, why place the tree of knowledge of goo and evil there?  And were they just being robots before the tree was placed there?  Was the tree placed there just to trip them up into doing something evil?  Wouldn’t that be evil for god to do to his two new creational friends?  For that matter, why allow an evil serpent that you’ve cast down from the heavens—into paradise?  By the very definition, it’s not paradise with this evil snake roaming about with guile in his mouth—yet the Bible calls it “paradise”.  hm.

As far as souls being eternal, does that mean that your’s and my soul are eternal?  And if they’re eternal as you say, have they always existed?  And if they did, where were they before that night my mom DID’T have a headache?  Where in the Bible does it say that a fetus has a soul?  God had lesser plans for babies and didn’t seem to find them worthy of much.  Let me demonstrate.

In Exodus 21:22-25 It says that if a man accidentally kills a pregnant woman, that man should be condemned for committing murder. However, if he only kills the fetus - that is, if she miscarries - he is not condemned for murder. Clearly, then, God does not consider the pre-born fetus as being the same as a human being, in which case the Commandment of “Thou Shalt Not Kill (a human)” does not apply.

So, then, when do we receive our “eternal” souls and where were they before we were born?

What I said stands. 

“In fact the KJV goes further to explain that Adam walked in love with god.  Then later the Bible says no one has ever seen god,—but I digress.”

******Jesus existed even then.  He walked with Adam.  Jesus has always existed.  In the time of his birth, he was born into this world as a man in the same way were were, with the exception of the virgin birth.  Just imagine, the creator of the Universe had to learn to eat, speak, he soiled his pants, etc…...but he had a greater mission

“How do you figure that Adam and god were such great friends that god would give him the chore of naming the beasts of the field, etc?  What robot without love or choice and free will could do all these things?”

****** he wasn’t a robot..he had free will.  that is the point.

“Shenonymous is right on.  Old fairytales that should be locked away from man because man has made over 30k new stories and adaptations from that one book.”

*****yes, you speak truth.  Man has made more than 30 K stories.    The Book was written by eyewitnesses and the last book was written by John by 95 AD.  The Bible on the other had was inspired by God.

*****It has to do with the separation of Good and evil.  Evil was necessary to give man that choice to make in order to exercise his perfect free will.  No choice, no free will, you would have robots incapable of love.”

Oh but Tom.  Adam had free will before he was duped by that sappy gal, Eve.  How do you think he could have DOMINION over the fowl of the air, the beasts of the field and the fish in the sea. In fact the KJV goes further to explain that Adam walked in love with god.  Then later the Bible says no one has ever seen god,—but I digress.  How do you figure that Adam and god were such great friends that god would give him the chore of naming the beasts of the field, etc?  What robot without love or choice and free will could do all these things?

Shenonymous is right on.  Old fairytales that should be locked away from man because man has made over 30k new stories and adaptations from that one book.

None of us that has done the research believed any of this was possible or even feasiable.  Once I discovered this as all of us do, we become obsessed with the fact finding research marathons.  Its too incredible and every day brings about another “epiphany” not to be confused with a medical condition requiring surgery….) 

Its really nuts and every time I talk about it, there are times I have to reread my research to deal with a crisis of belief.  However, its all true.

“You mean the world and its money problems are more important than god? I am shocked!”

******NO. this is part of the Revelation that was given in prophesy.  Its not the worlds money problems its a strategy and goal of creating a world government based on a Luciferian theology called New Age Movement.  The New Age Movement is another name exactly for Nazism.  It is compared factor by factor and characteristic by characteristic….This is leading to return of Jesus Christ and the defeat of Satans reign that is yet to come. 

“Or, why would god have let this all happen?  What could be the motive?”

*****It has to do with the separation of Good and evil.  Evil was necessary to give man that choice to make in order to exercise his perfect free will.  No choice, no free will, you would have robots incapable of love.

“I love Leonard Cohen, one of my favorite singers and have several of his albums but it’s all theater.  Drama.  Artistry.  And that is the problem with believing fairytales.”

*****These are not fairtales.  The Illuminati has effected our lives since the beginning.  Even Jack the Ripper was a cover for a particular Masonic ritual killer to cover a secret.  They were atypical of Masonic sacrifices by 33rd degree Luciferian worshipping Masons. 

“Death is death.  Humans are born and they die.  It is sooooo Gothic. Nothing better to dramatize.”

*****Once you are born you become eternal.  it is the way we live in this life that determines where we will spend that eternity. 

“Except maybe lost love and desire.  But the world conspiracy theory is absurd.  It has been around for at least a century.  The rich just want to be richer.  You should see my three part post at A Plague on the White House.”

*****Wrong, sorry.  The plan for the U.S. was finished and put into motion exactly on 1 May 1776, passed from family to family.  Rothschilds were the major conspirators in those days.  The evidence is irrefutable. 

“Look at this way, the proverbial They were klutzes in 29 and failed in 34.  They, if They exist, which They don’t, couldn’t engineer Their way out of a box of Pringles.  Not to worry. This financial crisis will be fixed.  If only out of greed by the greedy who are addicted to money.  Don’t be so impatient.”

*****Between 1850-1872, Albert Pike planned what we refer to the present, WWI, WWII and coming WWIII.

What are those three godly missions?  When you have more time this weekend, please answer comprehensively as I am having a very hard time intuiting what you are saying.  And tgambill, I really am trying.

Yes, There are three forms that God has taken.  God, the son and the Holy Spirit.  Each one is a character of God and serve specific missions of the God head.

You mean the world and its money problems are more important than god? I am shocked!  Or, why would god have let this all happen?  What could be the motive? 

I love Leonard Cohen, one of my favorite singers and have several of his albums but it’s all theater.  Drama.  Artistry.  And that is the problem with believing fairytales.  Somebody at your link loves to write, Al Martin is it?  Bull crap Al!  There is no doom.  Hey, you ought to listen to Tom Waits!  Another of my favorite singers.  He is really a doomsinger ya gotta love.  He gets into the Strum and Drang German cabaret style of music sometimes, you know the umpa umpa umpa pa pa.  The grim reaper is a fiction of a fertile imagination.  Death is death.  Humans are born and they die.  It is sooooo Gothic. Nothing better to dramatize. Except maybe lost love and desire.  But the world conspiracy theory is absurd.  It has been around for at least a century.  The rich just want to be richer.  You should see my three part post at A Plague on the White House. 

Look at this way, the proverbial They were klutzes in 29 and failed in 34.  They, if They exist, which They don’t, couldn’t engineer Their way out of a box of Pringles.  Not to worry. This financial crisis will be fixed.  If only out of greed by the greedy who are addicted to money.  Don’t be so impatient.

I will attempt to answer these questions both for you and I…..

Right now this is the biggest problem…...

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/10/02/p29151

New World Order…......its right around the corner.  They engineered the Great Depression in 1929 in preparation for WWII and a US military takeover that failed in 1934

All right, you only gave two of the triad.  The almighty and Jesus.  But you said we get three flavors of deity.  So we are waiting for the third one.  Then, next question, for what reason would a deity first of all create all these people on earth (assuming for the sake of your argument god made everything) to allow them to be mortals (that is, they die), then send an incarnation to die so that these people could live eternally, and why wouldn’t they continue to live on earth?  It is all so confusing.  Oh, yeah, did god also give humans minds that think rationally and critically?  If yes, did he give all humans minds that think rationally and critically?  If not, why?  And isn’t that the difference between man and monkeys?

And while we are at it, just a couple more small questions, what are the differences and samenesses between your god and Al’lah?  And why does god have a gender?

I’ll answer the questions this weekend…....God is three in one.  Due to his extra dimensional existence and qualites, Jesus Christ was God in Human form.  An almighty God, creator of the universe and all that’s in it, lowered himself to become one of us…..and die for us in order that we might have eternal life.

Also, th e OT god, does he change his mind, or doesn’t he?  Which is it? Thank you.

So Jesus was not one with god, or god?

The weekend will be when I answer the questions….they basically easy.  Its not understanding the character and will of God, and the differences between the Old Testament and New Testament promises made by God…...One was a period of Judgment because Jesus the Messiah was not born yet but was in prophesy….the second part was the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that fullfilled all the prophesies given generations before…....ALL oF THEM….....

Oh you mean THIS god?

Exodus 22:16, where we read “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed, and lies with her, he shall give the marriage present for her, and make her his wife.” But when we look at the verse immediately following, we get a whole different picture. In verse 17 we read, “If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equivalent to the marriage present for virgins.” Just like the Deuteronomy reference we can clearly see this is not about sex, but rather is about destroying a commodity - a virgin daughter who can be sold for a price. In these Exodus verses it’s spelled out even more clearly. There is no mention of immorality, nor is the man who seduces the woman penalized for having sex before marriage - only for having sex with a virgin, and even then his only penalty is to pay the father what the woman would have cost as a virgin.

A few people have interpreted Deuteronomy 22:13-21 to be against pre-marital sex, but when we actually read what’s there we see it’s about lying and bringing disgrace to one’s father, not about sex. In these verses a man is given a bride by another man, and then goes to court to claim the woman was not a virgin. The verses then say that the bride’s father must prove she was a virgin. If he can prove it, the new husband is fined for bringing shame upon the bride’s family by claiming he was given a faulty bride. If she cannot prove she’s a virgin, then she is put to death for being a harlot while still in her father’s house. Notice that there is nothing said about the man not being a virgin, and there are no equal punishments brought against men. Why? Because this is not about having sex. It’s about a woman who is still considered property, meaning she lives in her father’s house and is being given to another man (in exchange for money), taking it upon herself to sleep around and thus destroying her value as a bride worth selling. In this case, the woman having sex brings shame to her family by making the father out to be a liar when he accepts money from a man who wants to bed down with a virgin. In short, while having sex outside of marriage is not forbidden by the Bible, the women not being honest about it brought dishonor to her father, which is a sin according to the Ten Commandments.

“God is not like men, who lie; He is not a human who changes his mind. Whatever he promises, he does; He speaks and it is done.” - Numbers 23:19

“So the Lord changed his mind and did not bring on his people the disaster he threatened.” - Exodus 32:14

That last one always makes me smile.  What was god, a misogynistic mass of confusion?  lol

Gad, tgambill, that is the same bloody story Muhammad said about the Qur’an and Allah. Exactly the same story.  So is it Al’lah’s or God’s?  Of Allah, God, Zeus, Yahwah, Brahman are they all the same god or different gods?  If they are the same, why do they have different creation stories, if they are different, then how can there be so many and will there be a battle of the gods someday?  Will there be ring seats?

Its called the Bible, KJV.  Some call it a cheat sheet.  Its written by the hand of man but inspired by the Very God it talks about.  You are right, about humans trying to.  So you take it from God himself.

Hahaaaa Tom, if I didn’t like you so well, I could choke you right now. :D

Look: “******We can’t think or support any notion to describe or define God.  Its like the monkey teaching a college class in physics.”

And now you’re going to define his charcter?  How do you plan on doing that if no one else can define him? 

This circular talk really does make me giggle.

I will answer your questions and explain fully as these are very good questions and it opens the door to explain his character and his will.  Thank you.

Wait a minute tgambill.  It your satan was given permission to hi-jack the Bible,  why is anybody still reading it?  It’s kind of perverse.  And if satan keeps getting permissions to do this or that, who exactly is giving this permission?  And couldn’t it only be your god?  And if your god did that, what kind of an idiot would your god be?  Isn’t your god supposed to be all powerful, all knowing all whatevers?  Yours is the stupidest explanation I have ever heard.  It doesn’t make any sense at all and if things don’t make sense what kind of idiots keep believing them?  Unreal, surreal.  Your god is just a paper god written in some arcane book by goatherders.  Or you malign that god out of your own failure to understand or interpret the prevarications.

Tom,

You’re reasoning is waaaay off.  I quoted you as saying that SATAN was allowed to hi-jack the scriptures.  What does that have to do with man’s free-will.  Which is a tired answer and over-used to fill in holes that cannot be filled.

You stated in your last post that satan had to ask god for permission, then you cited the book of Job.  Well, did he then ask god’s permission to hi-jack the Bible thereby making it’s interpretation so confusing that NO ONE could really understand him? (god).  Even you just stated that to understand god is like filling a tea cup with an ocean.

“******We can’t think or support any notion to describe or define God.  Its like the monkey teaching a college class in physics.”

If your analysis or metaphor above is true, why think on god or pay him any credence at all?  Any monkey who tried to teach me physics would be laughed at and ignored.

You see? Your sense of reason is so far askew that I am afraid you are seeped far too deep in cognitive dissonance.  I don’t think you’ll ever escape your fear.  So we will have to agree to disagree once more.  It was nice bantering with you again.  Take care, friend!

“Like, man, when is this Jeezus coming?  Where exactly will he show himself?  In what form?  Maybe he’s been here and gone again?  What would be the sign that he is here?”

*****All that is covered in the Bible.  It has been coming true since it was written and it has explained the events of the future. 

“It is confusing that your god allows all this sh*t to continue, tgambill.”

******This can be true.  This is why one must study the Bible to learn at least a tiny part of the mind and heart of God.  Knowing all of God would be like pouring the Atlantic ocean into a coffee cup. 

“Either your god is all powerful or da debil is.”

*****God is in total control of all things. Satan has to get permission to act as demonstrated in Job for example. 

“Now if your god made all things, that would include Satan, and anyone with even half a brain would say that the big guy was a little deficient in creating such a nemesis, unless of course it is just for pure entertainment.”

******He [God] gave us free will.  Free will is only free will when one has a real choice to exercise this free will.

“Then we can’t fault him.  Everybody loves a good game.  But sh*t, can’t your god just leave us out of it?”

*****No, he created you and he loves you and he wants you with him, reigning.  Its all about the choices we make and which master we want to serve.

“Now again if your god isn’t all powerful, then you can take a hike because everything you have said is pure unadulterated bullsh*t.  Either way, something smells bad.”

*******what smells bad is mans rebellion and desire to serve Satan.

“Your reasoning is way off.  And you’ve proven nothing.”

******Sorry, reasoning is on target. 

“a god who is all loving could think of a better way to save the world from the torturous hell he has awaiting them—even though he loves them enough to die for them.  It’s conditional, human and bears no trace of reality at all.”

******We can’t think or support any notion to describe or define God.  Its like the monkey teaching a college class in physics. 

“As Jon Stewart so aptly puts it as he raises his head to the sky “He’s not coming back!” By the by, the Talmud was written in the first century denying Jesus’ existence.  Who will you believe?”

******All religions that worship Satan, all religions that exault man and puts man on even ground with God is a false religion. 

“Those who have a lot of money and your mind under control?  Or will you free it to think for yourself?  I know if you did, you’d give it up and except the fact that we are space material…nothing more.”

******As I have said before, the remote possibility of our existence being accident is the same as a tornado running through a car junk yard and accidently building a catallac that operates. 
“Then he allowed the scriptures to be “hijacked” by satan (who, as you stated, god made also).”

*****Again, free will.  God gave us free will and we allowed our free will to be deceived and fooled.

Don’t you get it Shenonymous?

Jesus was a third of god.  God in person.  God sent a third of himself down to the earth people he had created so that he could be slaughtered like an animal.  Then he allowed the scriptures to be “hijacked” by satan (who, as you stated, god made also).

I guess he died just to play hide and seek with the sheeples.

Tom,

Your reasoning is way off.  And you’ve proven nothing.  You have shown some pretty nice, and I might add often over-used by xians, to show why YOU believe Jesus existed.  I heard the story differently.  Logic dictates a simple fact: a god who is all loving could think of a better way to save the world from the torturous hell he has awaiting them—even though he loves them enough to die for them.  It’s conditional, human and bears no trace of reality at all.

As Jon Stewart so aptly puts it as he raises his head to the sky “He’s not coming back!”  By the by, the Talmud was written in the first century denying Jesus’ existence.  Who will you believe?  Those who have a lot of money and your mind under control?  Or will you free it to think for yourself?  I know if you did, you’d give it up and except the fact that we are space material…nothing more.

What a lot of hooey.  Like, man, when is this Jeezus coming?  Where exactly will he show himself?  In what form?  Maybe he’s been here and gone again?  What would be the sign that he is here?  It is confusing that your god allows all this sh*t to continue, tgambill.  Either your god is all powerful or da debil is.  Now if your god made all things, that would include Satan, and anyone with even half a brain would say that the big guy was a little deficient in creating such a nemesis, unless of course it is just for pure entertainment.  Then we can’t fault him.  Everybody loves a good game.  But sh*t, can’t your god just leave us out of it?  Now again if your god isn’t all powerful, then you can take a hike because everything you have said is pure unadulterated bullsh*t.  Either way, something smells bad.

they tell the truth about the NWO, and this is the trick they use.  to give some truth and then bring in the deception.  Jesus Christ is real and will show himself .

Naomi Wolf, Alex Jones, Michael Moore and many others work for the bad guys.  They are now using step five to bring together a favoritism to the UN form of government, revolution to lead to martial law and a dictatorship in the US.  This will be our fourth attempt at a military coup…once between 1933-1934 with the traitor FDR; 1960-1963, but JFK wasn’t going to be a part and was in fact going to splinter the CIA, back our money with the Silver Certificant [many were printed then], eliminate the mafia called the Federal Reserve a private banking firm; Pull troops from Vietnam, and mess around with the Israeli’s attempt to build the nuke facility in Dimona…......to name a few things…...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

The New Testament contains 27 separate documents which were written in the 1st century AD.  These particular writings contain the story of the life of Jesus Christ and the beginnings of the Christian church from about 4 BC until the decade of the AD nineties.  However, we also know that Satan hijacked the Christian faith, and inspired many mistranslations and religions that are offshoots.    The facts were recorded by eyewitnesses who gave firsthand testimony to what they had seen and heard.  In one instance 5,000 witnesses were around and were fed….by his miracles.  The existence of Jesus is recorded by Flavius Josephus, and was not a hoax.  The fact of the life of Jesus existing is not in question. 

Cornelius Tacitus AD 112, A Roman historian no less, wrote about Nero, refers to Jesus Christ and the existence of Christians in Rome..Annals, XV, 44.  Seutonius, in AD 120, in the Life of Claudius AD 112 in his Epistles.  testimony of Christian and non-Christian is more than sufficient to lay to rest any idea that Jesus never existed.  His life is in more detail than most ancient figures whose existence is taken for granted by historians.  Even the Koran talks about jesus…...no one will die for a lie and if anyone knew his life and resurrection was a lie the Disciples knew.  They all died save one, testifying to the deity and life and resurrection of Jesus.  suicide bombers kill themselves, but they believe they are doing the right thing and they are killing themselves for what they believe is truth.

Why do you say “glad you’re not a federal judge”? 

Please don’t tell me that you think a federal judge would say anything of truth an fairness to you. 

Give me the material, Tom.  I want irrefutable evidence and I will believe.  Give it to me now.

In the meantime, you are a machine and I think you will enjoy this zeitgeist addendum.  Don’t worry—it’s about the banks (the legal system..hmmm) and other things I think you’ll like.  It won’t crumble your notion of your idea that only YOU have the answer an no one else.  

But first just for the sake of my argument, if you know that Jesus existed as you say—then you can prove it.  I challenge you to do that right now.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

“Were you an eyewitness?  No.  Then it’s hearsay and gossip, Tom!!”

******lol…glad you are not a federal judge. 

“You’re too smart to be this delusional.  I submit to YOU that the illuminati, and other parties like it, are the headmasters OF RELIGIOUS ideals like the one you’re trying to sell here.”

******Yes they are just that, spot on.  The Vatican, the Charasmatic movement is in fact their design to fool Christians, the New Age Movement is in fact, an exact copy of Nazism item by item but changed the name only. 

“And they don’t give fuck all about you.  Nothing.  It’s about money.  Quit feeding the machine.”

******Yes, yes..but they worship Lucifer, High level Masons, Vatican and “zionist jews” [synagogue of Satan] as jesus so wisely told us about.

“The evidence is NOT massive regarding his existence at all.”

******Annie, the evidence of his existence is not a question.  Only his deity and miracles are in question.  The Bible is spot on in persons mentioned, historical locations and names without one error. 

“If it were, you would show me the evidence.  As it is, you just keep repeating that he did exist.”

******I can but you will not get the book or read the material and you know it.  If you really wanted to know I can give you the research…...but only if you really wanted to know. 

“You can’t know it.  I can see you have faith in it.”

******Sorry, but i do know it.  I’ve seen it in action and many reasons. 

“But as I stated before, if I have faith in Mohammed and Allah, does that make them true and correct?”

*******No because they are inspired by Satanic forces to deceive as he has also been deceiving Christianity with false doctrine turned just enough to fool. 

“Just answer that last one yes or no.  Then tell me why the story you’ve been fed by a violent and deceitful country is any better or more true.”

*******I don’t buy their story, only the story by the Holy Spirit inside and Jesus Christ the real God, Emmanuel.

Were you an eyewitness?  No.  Then it’s hearsay and gossip, Tom!!  You’re too smart to be this delusional.  I submit to YOU that the illuminati, and other parties like it, are the headmasters OF RELIGIOUS ideals like the one you’re trying to sell here.  And they don’t give fuck all about you.  Nothing.  It’s about money.  Quit feeding the machine.

The evidence is NOT massive regarding his existence at all.  If it were, you would show me the evidence.  As it is, you just keep repeating that he did exist.  You can’t know it.  I can see you have faith in it.  But as I stated before, if I have faith in Mohammed and Allah, does that make them true and correct?  Just answer that last one yes or no.  Then tell me why the story you’ve been fed by a violent and deceitful country is any better or more true.

the Bible books were written by eyewitnesses and the last book, Revelation was written about 90-95 AD by John.  Here is where you lose credibility when you claim it was written by hearsay, sorry. 

The evidence is massive about his existence, and I will submit that no matter what I show you your soul will reject it even if you were there….

The times will change and I’ve planted the seed.  When the world changes in one hour, then you will see the truth.

Shenonymous,

Thank you.  You’ve actually helped me with the other thread.

Tom,

We’ve been through this.  You can’t prove that Jesus exists or that the OT god exists by using the Bible.  That would be akin to me trying to prove the existence of Huckleberry Finn by using “Tom Sawyer” as a reference guide. 

Show me the evidence that Jesus existed.  Don’t just say it, show it to me.  I have never seen any.  I can only suggest that a rebel hippie came along at the time and uprooted the “Laws” of the OT so that the Jews could somehow free theirselves from it, all while forgetting that women are equal to men, and it is evil to have slaves.  It’s just an evolutionary piece if it’s true at all(the NT).  Read “Misquoting Jesus”.  I highly recommend it to you.  You need to take the blinders off and be free from that crappola.

I cannot believe that you love Bible god just because he’s the creator of this earth that is riddled with sorrow and disease, death and pain.  Please tell me that you’re kidding when you try to add your OWN spin on such a ridiculous thought.

You want me to believe that you love god because you respect him even though you’ve never seen him.  You also conceded that no one has any proof of the deification of Jesus when you stated that was the issue.  Still, you want everyone to believe that you don’t love these ideas or gods because you fear them, even though you know what the belief is regarding those who don’t believe in the Bible: Hell.  Well, I am sorry, but I do not believe you.  I don’t believe you can or do respect something you’ve never seen nor that has manifested itself to you personally.  I do NOT believe that you aren’t in fear of hell, and in greedy desire of the opposite bribe: Heaven.

I do not agree with you, and I cannot believe you on that one.  If it were true, you could just blindly go around choosing who you wanted for a wife based on what another human being said.  Hearsay, Tom.  That is what the Bible is.  Hearsay.  The writings of nomads who didn’t understand science as we do today—didn’t know the earth went around the sun and not the other way around, didn’t know that the hare doesn’t chew it’s cud, didn’t know that a bat is not a fowl, etc.  These falsehoods are all in the Bible.  If you still say that it is god’s word for you, you are in tremendous fear.  I would wonder if you sweat blood at times.

The teaching of the Old Testament law can be found in Lev. 20:10; Deut 22:22f.  You can note that these passages teach that both the adulterer and the adulteress should be put to death.  If the woman was taken in the very act, then the man should have been caught too. Where was he? If the Jews were really so concerned about following Moses’ law as they pretended to be, they would have brought the man too. What they really wanted to do was to trap Jesus to answer the way they wanted. 

Their notion was based on their belief that Jesus came to be an earthly king.  If so, Jesus would judge such matters as this.  If He [Jesus] judged to kill her, they could accuse Him to the Romans of having usurped their authority,  since no one could be put to death without their authority (18:31). If he said not to kill her then they could accuse Him of breaking Moses’ law.  So, they continued to press Him for an answer,  so He said that whoever among them was sinless should be the first to throw a stone at her.

Our creator showed his wisdom by putting them in their place.  The wisdom of the creator was beyond their own….because he turned the tables on them in more than one way.  First, it gave them the duty to kill her, if it was to be done.  This approach agreed with the Law of Moses, which they claimed to be following, for it said the witnesses must be the first ones to initiate the execution of the guilty (Deut. 17:6,7; cf. Deut. 13:9). They would have to execute her if it was to be done.  In that case, they would be the ones to have to give answer to the Romans for having usurped their authority.

Second, this was an appeal to their own consciences which was the change that was emerging with the presence of the true savior for the world before them.  In the presence of all the people, He was forcing them to claim,  if they stoned her, that they themselves were innocent of guilt. They had come to Him with hypocritical intentions, not to uphold the law, but to trap Him. His approach called attention to the evil they were committing in the very act of bringing the woman to Jesus.

Note that this does not say, as some claim, that we should never criticize the sins of others, and if we do we are hypocrites claiming we ourselves never sin. “Casting the first stone” refers to killing the woman, not just rebuking her sin. 

It is a gross perversion to teach that people are “casting stones” in the sense of John 8 when they simply rebuke people for sin! Jesus’ disciples often pointed out people’s errors, but the subject under discussion here is killing the woman for adultery.  It has nothing to do with whether or not sin should be rebuked.

Third, after Jesus’ statement, the accusers left. When Jesus then said that He did not “condemn” the woman in v11, He uses the word “condemn” as in v10 - to pass a death sentence and determine to stone her to death. Jesus was saying that her accusers had not been willing to do that, so neither would Jesus condemn her to be stoned.  According to the law, her accusers had to be the ones to cast the first stone.  The law required a person to be put to death only if there were two or more witnesses to condemn them.  They could not be condemned when there were no witnesses nor even if there was just one witness (see Deut. 19:15; 17:6). When the accusers left, Jesus could not stone her according to the law.

“The Bible is a disgusting piece of crap literature meant for different times.  People hang on because of fear.”

******The fear of God has nothing to do with the emotion of Fear in the sense of being afraid.  It has to do with the fear which equals respect.  This is the case that many want to spin. 

“There is no historial evidence for Jesus’ existence.  The Bible has been translated and re-translated through the years losing ALL of it’s integrity.”

******The evidence of Jesus’s existence is irrefutable.  However, the proof of deity of Jesus is the only dispute.  The following translations after the KJV is just as you say.  Those translations after 1611 have in fact lost a lot of intergrity and not by accident.  The KJV is the only true Book that has received the true inspiration of God in its translation.  This is the main reason for the following translations as you say.   

“If I wanted to “match up” to the god of the Bible, I would stone children who were rebellious, beat my slaves with many stripes (unless they said “sorry” then they would only get a few—2Timothy and Mtthew).”

******This is incorrect.  The Old testament was a story of man under the judgment of God without a savior but sinners with no redemption save the ones that chose to obey God.  Even the Jews under Noah, Moses et al, chose to disobey and were punished under the old law of God.  After Jesus took those sins on his own blood he became the redeemer and judgment was the old law no longer necessary or required.  Jesus took that punishment and returned to life to be the redeemer and show that he was God.  for the truth read Luke 10:25-37 for the command that God gives after the birth of Christ.

“but how do we know that they don’t see correctly given who they are? “  Annie this contains the answer:  Since we don’t know, we don’t know.  There is nothing to even suppose we know.  What is the measure of correct?  Even given who they are?  It was nice to see you all again anyway.  Even if I “see” what I want to.

Tom,

Maybe it’s because the “atheist historians and new ager historians” have come a bit further than the preposterous iron age historian stories of a god who couldn’t save the world unless he sent his child down to be tortured by the very people he was grieved that he created.    Just a thought.

The Bible is a disgusting piece of crap literature meant for different times.  People hang on because of fear.

There is no historial evidence for Jesus’ existence.  The Bible has been translated and re-translated through the years losing ALL of it’s integrity.

If I wanted to “match up” to the god of the Bible, I would stone children who were rebellious, beat my slaves with many stripes (unless they said “sorry” then they would only get a few—2Timothy and Mtthew).
I would then sell one or two of them and count the female slaves as half the worth of the male slaves.  I would have a right nice kingdom.

“Happy shall they be when they taketh the little ones and dash them against the rocks”.  Book of Psalms.

You’re right.  I don’t match it, and I wouldn’t care to.

Shenonymous,

I actually meant this post for another dig. haha But thanks for that answer..

It occured to me that some people are “colour blind”—but how do we know that they don’t see correctly given who they are?  I don’t know—b ut it all explains why there are such differing opinions on gods and what gods want people to see and do or not do.  We’re individuals and so cannot all be held to the same standards of any one god.  It’s not reasonable nor fair.

Miss Annie, that is exactly how we see.  We all see differently, with only the ability to see being the same of those who have vision.  Rods and cones in the eyes are idiosyncratic and mainly genetically determined although environment can affect their use.  Also the condition of the optic nerve and the part of the brain responsible for vision affect how the world is experienced visually.  Of those who do see the spectrum ranges can be measured to be different.  It would be unusual for two people, even identical twins, to have the same visual experiences.  One final influence in seeing is what one wants to see! Visually or mentally.

Thank you, GreenSnake.  I would like very much to have that book.  That was really thoughtful of you.  Thanks!

Hey guys,

What if we agreed that something was red, but the way I see red is different than the way you see red?  Does it matter?  For example; through my eyes the colour red is brighter than through your eyes—-only we don’t know it.

“But about Jesus, there is absolutley NO evidence that he existed.”

*******:) the evidence is overwhelming that he existed.  The Bible has never been proven false and on the contrary all of its historical reports are accurate.  The only contention that can be discussed is the contention that he was the son of the most high God. 

“Historians don’t even know.”

******Atheist Historians and New Age Historians are the ones that deny the truth of his existence. 

“It has only been shown that a similar rebel existed in the times of Jesus.”

******:))  nope….not so. 

“Whether his name really was Jesus or not—-no one knows.  And to believe that someone had to be tortured because you and I were created by a god who finds us filthy and worthless from the time we’re born is not only cruel and disgusting, but it’s also a sham.  If god created man in his image—what does that say about god according to the Bible?  Not much. “

*****Not sure which god you are speaking of.  We are sinners in accordance with his commandments.  And it fits well.  Nowhere does it say that he finds us filthy or worthless.  It is quite the opposite.  It is mans choice to put words in Gods mouth and to make the decisions that man makes. 

He created us in his image, he came down as a man and lived a perfect life and set the example.  We just can’t seem to match it.

Hi Tom!

I wondered if you’d remember me.

I mainly agree with the last paragraph that you wrote.  An you’re right…I DON’T want to know about the CIA and it’s bed partners.

But about Jesus, there is absolutley NO evidence that he existed.  Historians don’t even know.  It has only been shown that a similar rebel existed in the times of Jesus.  Whether his name really was Jesus or not—-no one knows.  And to believe that someone had to be tortured because you and I were created by a god who finds us filthy and worthless from the time we’re born is not only cruel and disgusting, but it’s also a sham.  If god created man in his image—what does that say about god according to the Bible?  Not much.

“How do you KNOW he lived, Tom?  :D”

****There is no question he lived.  The evidence that has been presented by historians, Koran and many sources is not the issue.  The issue is whether or not he was the son of God, died and rose again, and the miracles. 

“Of course that’s your faith talking—and talking loud and proud.  But in truth, you can’t possibly KNOW that a man named Jesus even lived.  To say that you know is only to say that you have great faith that he did.  That doesn’t mean it’s true.”

******there is no evidence that he didn’t.  The evidence that he did is off the chart.   

“For example, many people have great faith in governments and homelands that continuously let them down.  Their faith doesn’t make their beliefs true.”

****True….....but, then the truth is also very possible.  No evidence doesn’t mean its not true. 

“On the contrary.  I fully believe that you are born because your parents copulated when they wanted to, you and I were conceived as a result (and for no other reason—my mom could have just as easily said she had a headache that night) and then we live this life and we die.  I would bet my beliefs against your’s for evidence.”

*******We are born by parents as you say.  We are sons and daughters of man.  However, taking Jesus as savior we become born again and sons of God as a result of taking Jesus as savior.  The parents issue, is making the vessel by which the soul will function.  The spirit is supernatural and made by God.  The Spirit is not made by man and woman coming together and the egg creates its own supernatural soul.   

How are you?

****Good. thank you.  I’m watching what I told many long ago would happen.  The failing of the Banks is a mirror of the Great Depression that they created in 1915 to 1929 in preparation for our most grand Traitor to pull off a dictatorship by his New Deal..FDR.  It failed as it should.  Today is a classic replay of the created depression in preparation for the New World Order to move to its next level.  Between January to March, 1929 and then regularly, 500-600 banks failed per month leading to their orchestrated Depression.  In 1927, final meeting of the Federal Reserve Board.  In 1928, Wall Street funded and materially set up Hitler to start his war…...in 1929, the Depression getting us ready for war, in 1933-1934 our first real Military coup was hatched but in 1934 General Butler blew the whistle to a congressional committee, it was swept under the carpet.  Prescott Bush, DuPont’s, Rockefeller and many more had financed it.  In 1939-1945 our and Britians orchestration of WWII was in full swing when they sacrificed Pearl Harbour to get us into the war in Europe that we financed anyway.  You don’t even want to know about the CIA and their pet, Al Qaeda.

How do you KNOW he lived, Tom?  :D

Of course that’s your faith talking—and talking loud and proud.  But in truth, you can’t possibly KNOW that a man named Jesus even lived.  To say that you know is only to say that you have great faith that he did.  That doesn’t mean it’s true. 

For example, many people have great faith in governments and homelands that continuously let them down.  Their faith doesn’t make their beliefs true.  On the contrary.  I fully believe that you are born because your parents copulated when they wanted to, you and I were conceived as a result (and for no other reason—my mom could have just as easily said she had a headache that night) and then we live this life and we die.  I would bet my beliefs against your’s for evidence.

How are you?

Jesus did live, he died and he rose from the grave exactly as it is told.  He did all the miracles and much more as he will do again when the anti-christ is vanquished after he takes over soon.  The New World Order is just about to surface.

I’m just putting this out there but, who brings Harry Potter into the Jesus subject ?

Anywho..

Well, we all know that God is real, right ? If God is real, then maybe Jesus is real too. Some of my friends think that Jesus is none other than God himself, you know with the ability of showing himself to the people without actually showing himself….confusing, I know. Tell you the truth, I don’t know what to put with this subject, so I guess I’ll stop here.

To start, I’ve been away from this site almost a year. Even back before then somehow I missed this one. It’s 2008 now.
After reading over the blog a few times I got a little sleepy. I’ve gotta admit it is well written and insightful.
And then I began reading the posts. My eyes got crossed. LOL
From what I read, once again I see that most everyone gets far away from the subject matter.
The xtian bible attempts to place a Nazareth Jew in line with the house of David. 
Let’s not forget that at that time the Jews held anyone with a blood line back to David in very high esteem. High enough to make sure they would not hurt for comforts at the very least. Why was Joe and Mary so darn poor then? And Nazareth back then had very few Jews even living there…go ask a Rabbi, I did. They were mostly goyims. Oy Vay!
And why oh why does the entire story of a god’s virgin birth, death and resurrection replicate that of their southwest neighbor not to mention the Greeks who borrowed it from Eygpt? 
Ask any Rabbi to interpet the meaning of what the Messiah was to do according to his Bible. He was to be a leader such as King David was. A visionary who would lead His people back to the glory of the days promised in the Covenant. 
The very idea of a Messiah with a message that all would be alright once one died and got into heaven was horribly blasphemous to them. 
Indeed, even Rome considered the early christians as heretics. 
But back to that Nazarene. There is actually only one or two historical references to him. I’m tired and sleepy so I need help remembering that Jewish historians name but he was considered the first of the historians to try and stick to the facts. Ask any good historian of that era, the one I am referring only reported that he had heard rumors of a Jesus from Naz. who was a most learned rabi, but he knew no one from that area who had actually seen the guy.
By the way, the majority of first/early xtians did not believe that Jesus was the only one that came from G-d; they believed what he said, that we all were of G-d. They did believe he was special. You can read that above in the text of this blog.
They also did not believe in a virgin birth; that idea happened many years later and was pushed through at the first council. That myth got started by the goyim…as the early followers were mostly Jewish and were looking for a new vision. The goyim were probably reading a lot of myths from Egypt and Greece.
To end, I must admit I do admire the many incredible sayings put forth by this mystic being whoever he/she was. Many of these sayings can be found in the writings of the early Rabbis & Jewish Mystics of the Merkabah.
A respected old Rabbi of Jesus’s era was once told by a goy; “I’ll get circumsized and join your faith if you can stand on one foot and sum up your beliefs before putting your foot back down.”
The wise Rabbi held his foot with his hand and began hopping up and down as he said; “Don’t do to nobody what you wouldn’t want done to yourself!”
That day there was a new convert to Judism.

dats okay…..you are correct.

You forgot the most dramatic part: “And lo I am with you always”...haha

Sorry..feeling like laughing.

lol…imagine that as well.  Now that is credible.  )

not even close….

just remember the conversation in due time.  I have told you the truth.  so, I must go now…...got things to do.

I can’t help it.  I think I coughed up blood on that last one.  OMG!  haha.

You’re right.  The more the merrier.  And there will be more and more now with Ben Stein sticking his Jewish nose into it.

It’s funny how xians and Jews don’t see eye to eye unless it’s against the atheist.  And the Catholic and Protestant can’t get along unless it’s against an atheist.  haha Hell, in Yugoslavia, the entire country is cut into a pie of threes.  Catholic, Orthodox and Muslim.  Civil war unrest.  But they have a 91 percent rate of people who believe in GOD!  haha Which one, is the question.  Also, I have it on good authority, that most don’t believe in a god at all.  Especially since the civil war there.  Vukovar apparently still looks like it’s at war.

Annie!  Stop!  He isn’t worth it.  He is a loon.  You have been completely right in every comment.

The more the merrier.

HAHAHAHAHA Annie is now pounding out the keys in alugter. OMG!  I am going to go and hit my head on a wall.

You are out of your mind!!  They have opened doors for every apologist to attempt to discredit what they have unveiled for all to see.  And hahahahahahahah

Okay!  Enough. You are a LOON!

“All Bible owners believe the way you do?”
****those that read it with God’s guidance and a sincere desire to learn about it and from it.  If they don’t, Manson can own a Bible and teach Satanism.  Owning one doesn’t mean anything.  The same holds true for the Rockefellers that gives millions to churches, is worth zero.  A beggar giving his last dime to the Church and loving God, believing in Jesus will be the one that is in favor to God without question. 

“Might makes right?  Great Tom!  Now you’re sounding like Hitler. What critics have failed to discredit the Bible?”

******Nice try, but no bananas.  What critics have failed?  All of them; that’s the point. 

“Words of men, btw.”
*****Words by God, written by men as inspired by the Holy Spirit. 

“So who? Hitchens and Dawkins as well as Harris are doing a slam dunk good job of nailing it to a cross where it belongs.”

*****Not even close.  Only slam dunk to those that wants to hear the words, but not to those that knows the truth. 

“no pun intended).  People are waking up, Tom”

******Actually, people are falling asleep and selling their souls to false religions and false prophets.  There will be a massive awakening, but it will last a short time before the tribulations. 

“As far as “satan”, that’s such a cop out. And Oh the Holy Spirit showing people ...yada yada.”

*****That cop out exists in this world.  this, you will have to see for yourself. 

“I was never shown anything that even remotely pointed to anything “Holy” in that book.  Not as a xian and not now.”

*****:)) Imagine that. 

“It’s a book of violence, torture, infanticide, misogyiny, bears tearing children up in the name of the “lord”...please.  You must be Hilter’s nephew.”

******this is what you would see….

Or how about an even number?  Victor Stenger.  Oops!  Then there’s David Mills’ Atheist Universe.  ho-hum..

haha I can’t believe I left out Ayaan Hirsi Ali.  Shame on me.  That’s a sobering book.

Or how about an even number?  Victor Stenger.  Oops!  Then there’s David Mills’ Atheist Univers.  ho-hum..

haha I can’t believe I left out Ayaan Hirsi Ali.  Shame on me.  That’s a sobering book.

Daniel Dennett does a mighty good job too.  Also Peter Atkins, Jerry Coyne,  Rebecca Goldstein, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Harry Kroto, Steven Pinker, Lee Silver, Ibn Warraq, and Steven Weinberg.

“Discredits itself??  You just don’t do your research…its still a best seller since 1611….pretty good.  a lot smarter critics have come and gone and have failed to discredit the true word of God”. 

I own many Bibles.  So what? What are you saying?  All Bible owners believe the way you do?  Might makes right?  Great Tom!  Now you’re sounding like Hitler.
What critics have failed to discredit the Bible?  Words of men, btw.  So who? Hitchens and Dawkins as well as Harris are doing a slam dunk good job of nailing it to a cross where it belongs.  (no pun intended).  People are waking up, Tom

As far as “satan”, that’s such a cop out. And Oh the Holy Spirit showing people ...yada yada.  I was never shown anything that even remotely pointed to anything “Holy” in that book.  Not as a xian and not now.  It’s a book of violence, torture, infanticide, misogyiny, bears tearing children up in the name of the “lord”...please.  You must be Hilter’s nephew.

“I don’t need to discredit the Bible.  It discredits itself.”

Discredits itself??  You just don’t do your research…its still a best seller since 1611….pretty good.  a lot smarter critics have come and gone and have failed to discredit the true word of God. 

“In fact, I have discovered that most atheists know the Bible better than xians.”

****of course, Satan knows the Bible better than any human.  Atheist know the Bible just from the point of view by reading it, they can make a vain attempt to discredit it….which has obviously failed.  However, not due to atheist, but globalist, the church will fall away making way for the Luciferian worship or New Age religion. 

If one was to read the Bible they could see the validity of the Holy Spirit inspiration.  However, because of your disbelief in Jesus Christ, God send great delusion to those that are unbelievers that they should believe a lie.

Well, Tom, I know you live in the “mist” but AKgurl is around some of the time or she wouldn’t have posted again.  Maybe she’s a holy spirit—who can say? 

I don’t need to discredit the Bible.  It discredits itself.  I only petition those with a mind of their own to concider that they are as duped as they think Islam is.  Their book is just as erroneous if they would only READ it instead of listening to preachers, (yes!  Like Shockley) or people like you or me, for that matter.  And really read it for themselves from front cover to back cover.

I have already done this.  I see how out of date it is and that it is not for people of today.  Those who are still following it, however, simply have not read it or are stupid.

Since I believe in the intelligence of most people, I have to say most do not read. They rely in the dogma of their particular religion.  In fact, I have discovered that most atheists know the Bible better than xians.

Tom, I can’t prove Harry Potter to you by using books about Harry Potter.  By the same token, you cannot prove anything about the Bible by using the Bible—don’t be a goof.  And there is absolutely NO outside evidence for the validity of any of these writers being “inspired by a spirit”.  That’s just nonsense.  If there were, you would have gladly spilled it out on page.  As it is, you have yet to come up with anything other than the Bible which discredits itself; and conspiracy theories—which are nothing more than theories.  And THEY have nothing to do with the Bible.

As far as my “plight”...secularists are growing by the day.  Unbelievers are in every nation and CHURCH.  Religion has taught people NOT to believe through war.  And xians, muslims and Jews have led the way with their hatred. I would love to take the credit, but alas, I am just a small voice.    And I am innocent of hate.

Very well put.  I almost didn’t see this post.  AKGurl,  you have a good heart and you know the character of God.  The church is falling away as its predicted and Satan is deceiving the clergy.  I found that Billy Graham is not whom he claims to be and so goes many more…..they are following the New Age Movement as its not time they came out.  It was a hard pill to swallow but deception abounds.  Trust no clergy until he claims that Jesus Christ is the son of God, he died for our sins and was resurrected from the Dead to life to be our savior.  When that church believes that and the clergy [pastor, minister, Priest, whomever], supports it as well then they can be trusted with the true word.  The New Age Movement believes in “christ” but not Jesus.  It is preparing the way for the false Messiah or false Christ soon.

Annie, your plight to discredit the Bible will fail.  I have to hand it to you for trying.  But, its impossible to succeed when you deal with truth.  The only success that you will have is to confuse those Christians weak in faith and weak in the knowledge of God’s word.  Most of what you have written up there are lies based on a distortion, not misunderstanding, of Gods word. 

I have a feeling that AKGurl isn’t around about this time because she has figured what I found some times ago that the truthdug is an atheist site, duh…..!!  )  It should be renamed “Athiest dug”.  As the forces of Good will come down hard on “Rev Shackly”....)

By AKgurl, April 28 at 3:53 pm #
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This is what I have noticed ..

AKgurl, you should register so we can see your comments at the top.

Anyway, you’ve noticed that we are the ones Jesus spoke of when he said that “they” would try to turn you away, etc.  I am fully aware of what Jesus said.  And while I DO sincerely applaud your idealism, the Bible CONDONES rape.  Do YOU have a daughter?  Then you need to concider certain parts of the Bible that show us that we, as women, are not worth but half a male to the great “I am”.  He conciders women less and if you’re flirty, you get scabs placed on your head and your vagina laid bare for all to see.  It’s in there!  I will provide references if you like.

Also, the male is worth 20 shekels of silver—you and I as women are worth 10. Half a male.  “God” is only the imagination of the men wrote him, just as the Koran is which bears the same warning about “us”.  Scribes of an iron-age.  Don’t take MY WORD for it!  No!  That way your Jesus (who condoned slavery btw.  read the book of Luke)  won’t be in your head saying “it’s them, they’re the ones trying to take me from you”-which is your own mind based on your own belief system anyway.

So, I suggest you read the Bible.  Don’t listen to your priest or your pastor.  They have agendas, too.  READ the Bible.  All of it not just the nicey-nice parts.

God was written by men.  He didn’t exist so they mae him up!.  Do you ave a daughter?  Would you drown her?  God supposedly drown the entire creation except for Noah.  Do you condone this?  Isaiah 45:7 says that God created evil.  Read it.  Don’t pay any attention to my ramblings.

As for the Dead Sea Scrolls, they do NOT correlate with the Bible.  There goes your truth.  They have certain parts—Psalms. But they have more psalms than the Bible does.  Also, there are far more stories of Abraham than the Bible has.  THEY WERE JEWS!! haha Look, the rest doesn’t fit and since it was written before Jesus time (and an authentic writing) they mention nothing of your Jesus.  Why not?  Because it was before his time?  Why not tell of the coming messiah?  There’s nothing there.

Study up.  Then come back.  I would love to see you defend the indefensible.  But I would be happier if you just faced it—if there is a god, god is not the way these silly books are written.  I can think of a better way to save my “children” and so can you.

What does that say of your deity?  perhaps that he was written by men FOR men.  That’s why men can have concubines but women are to be stoned!  Still are stoned in some places today.  God demanded stonings.  Want to know what that is like?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIZJNrc8sKw

This is what your god called for MANY MANY TIMES in the Bible.  Jesus only called for the beatings of slaves.  He was, it’s true, the kinder face of god.  But then, he’s a sequel or after-thought.  Otherwise, why would he claim to be god?  He’s nothing like him. 

You need to truly study up.  First watch the video and then concider that this happened all the time because the writeres said “god told me to…stone you”.. Is this the god you wish to believe in?  IF so, you are evil. Full stop.

Prove it?  Sure, I can give you the verses in the old testament.  I can give you the history of each book however, this comes from the Bible and you don’t accept the Bible.  There are some outside evidence, however you will seek to find false diversions so what is the use….. None.

“First, that’s what the Taliban and Jihad freaks say.  But secondly, you don’t care what “humans” think.  It’s as if you’re separating yourself from the human race.”

******Exactly right.  They, clergy, family, friends from here on will be mislead by the big lie. Its coming. 

“You’re in way too deep.  And just because you blog about something, doesn’t mean you’re not afraid of it.  Especially since the things you fear are not real anyway.”

****Again, I have no fear of any of this, inclusive of Death, people, etc…..the only fear I have is whether or not I am completely obedient to God.  Nothing else. 

“God doesn’t bribe people?  I think you need to read Revelation and the streets of gold, walls of onyx, sapphires, rubies, topaz and every other gem.  Gates of pearls, etc. Revelation 21”

*****This isn’t bribery its called setting up a house.  An, none of this is for personal gain nor ownership.  Bribes are something entirely different.

“You fear Billy Sunday, Billy Graham, the Iluuminati.  I suggest you fear the political agendists that wrote to you that you’d better believe something or else.”

****Again, I tell you. I fear no one.  If I feared them then I wouldn’t use my real name on all blogs, become a whistle blower, and continue to use my name.  They all can kiss my “tuddiewacher”.....lolol..

“And then run!  They are the ones who have wreaked more havoc and evil in this world than any other force ever.”

*****Yes, and God will take care of that.  Yes they have hijacked “Religion, vatican, Masons, Jewish faith [zionist], and they pay in due time. 

Run???? since when?  I’m clearly not running anywhere.

“You already are showing your lack of knowledge and certainly shooting your credibility down as the Bible at no time was hearsay. It was written by eyewitnesses to the events with the exception of the creation and the future, but that was by the Holy Spirit.  The birth of Jesus was predicted in the Old testament, all through it…....and he actually fulfilled 37+ propheses in the OT of his being born”.

Okay then.  Feel free to prove this. If you cannot, then shenonymous is right, it’s your own belief, your own made up truth.  But go on, prove it.

The Bible is a historic mess.  Clearly you haven’t studied anything BUT the Bible. Of course it’s hearsay!  It was written by men who stole ideas from other men and even sages of the Tanakh! 

Why did you say “thank you but I am 55?”  What is a mere 55 on Earth, much less in the grand sea of your immortal and eternal soul?  haha Tom, I know you’re in there.  I know it.  I know you know the truth but are afraid of it.

Tom, this statement is funny.  The height of it’s arrogance can’t be denied. I have to believe you didn’t mean this.  *I am laughing*

“I’m not on the Earth to be politically correct nor to care what other humans think.  That is the least of my concern with no exception”.

First, that’s what the Taliban and Jihad freaks say.  But secondly, you don’t care what “humans” think.  It’s as if you’re separating yourself from the human race.

You’re in way too deep.  And just because you blog about something, doesn’t mean you’re not afraid of it.  Especially since the things you fear are not real anyway.

God doesn’t bribe people?  I think you need to read Revelation and the streets of gold, walls of onyx, sapphires, rubies, topaz and every other gem.  Gates of pearls, etc. Revelation 21

The alluding to the Talmud was purposeful.  My point is, it doesn’t matter which of the Abrahmic faiths you choose.  They all claim to have the truth.  And they all want to scare you into believing that truth.  And all three wish to bribe you into believing.

You fear Billy Sunday, Billy Graham, the Iluuminati.  I suggest you fear the political agendists that wrote to you that you’d better believe something or else. And then run!  They are the ones who have wreaked more havoc and evil in this world than any other force ever.

“You are completely wrong as the gospels were written about 40 years after the alleged death of Jesus.”

******The last book of the Bible was written about 70-90 AD give or take.  The rest were written before that and by eyewitnesses.  Most enemies or unlearned persons of the Bible will say it was written hundreds of years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. 

“There are credible histories about who wrote the gospels, Matthew Mark Luke John and how they compare with each other.”

*****yes they are credible histories written by the gospels.  The Gnostic versions have no place or credible source part of the Bible.  The differences in the Gospels aren’t contradictions they complement each other.  This is what you people are missing. 

“You are not a scholar.  You are a bibliophile and want to believe the stories of whatever version you have decided you like the best.”

******You have no clue of my knowledge nor my background and yet you make assertions that are invalid but in your mind definite. This is what blows your credibility. 

“Your personal views do not make the truth.”

******Gotcha….I don’t use my personal views.  I use Biblical views based on Biblical principles.  You have no idea as you read the Bible not to learn but to discredit.  A poor job at best. 

“People like you are blinded by belief.”

*****oh…thank you. That is a complement. 

“It is too bad as you seem such a bright young man.”

****thank you….but, I’m 55.. 

Where exactly did Jesus say whatever you claim he said?  Your delusion is almost at bad as tgambills.

You are completely wrong as the gospels were written about 40 years after the alleged death of Jesus.  There are credible histories about who wrote the gospels, Matthew Mark Luke John and how they compare with each other.  You are not a scholar.  You are a bibliophile and want to believe the stories of whatever version you have decided you like the best.  Your personal views do not make the truth. 

People like you are blinded by belief.  It is too bad as you seem such a bright young man.

“If fear doesn’t work, bribe them with virgins, streets of gold, etc. If that doesn’t work, go back to fear and use seven headed dragons and boiling hot excrement or whatever else evil man has placed in the “true book”.”

******You are speaking of the false Gods and religions, [talmud]. 

“Sure, the love of money is the root of all evil.  But I guess if you’re god, it’s okay to bribe people with it.”

*****God doesn’t Bribe, or promise wealth.  Satan does.  Want the scriptures?  Otherwise, this is the what they would say.

“Tom, who do you think you’re kidding?  You’re scared to death of every conspiracy theory that you come across.”

*****lol…if I were I wouldn’t be on many blogs, with my very own name and speak out in public.  Google “Thomas Gambill + Kosovo”. Wrong again. 

“I know this was ingrained from religion.  Unless you’re mentally ill.  I have never thought that of you—I suppose it’s possible. You’re definitely deluding yourself”

****Religion has nothing to do with knowing the truth.  It just happens to be the truth.  Your option of being mentally ill is your own personal thoughts which have no basis of truth due to a biased attitude.  You can think anything you want of me, its not significant.  I’m not on the Earth to be politically correct nor to care what other humans think.  That is the least of my concern with no exception. 

“They’re all three CHOCK FULL of man-made lies and errors.  For you to sit there and say the KJV is intact is a bald faced lie.  You must know that!”

*****Not at this point.  I’ve been through all of this and discovered that most all are manmade and inspired by satanic inspiration to different levels.  This includes the Charasmatic movement brought about by the Illuminati. 

The push is for a new Messiah, a new Christ to come into view.  The only one is Jesus who died on the cross and rose again.  The wolves in sheeps clothing now and supporting the same religion that Oprah is coming up with are the following: Robert Shueller, Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Bishop Pearson, Bishop Braizer, the list if growing.  I also found that the Illuminati has widely used these folks.  I quote from Roosevelt’s Communist Manifesto, by Emanuel Josephson, 1955, page 62-63.

“Whenever under attack, the Rockefellers make such “philanthropic” gesture, particularly to religion.  In the early part of this century following the outraged outcry of the nation at the brutal Colorado Fuel & Iron massacre of their workers, the set up hte Laura Spelman Rockfeller Memorial.  It initially was entirely devoted to “charity” and support of churches; but as soon as pubic attention was diverted, its moneys went ot the support went to the support of subversion and the Illuminati-communist comspiracy under the direction of Beardsley Ruml.  THEY ALSO LAUNCHED BILLY SUNDAY ON HIS EVANGELICAL REVIVALISM IN THAT ERA AS THEY ARE NOW DOING WITH BILLY GRAHAM. [1950’s].  Weishaupt taught his followers well the value of using “religion” and “philantropy” as a cover for the conspiracy.  In 1936, Naval Intelligence pronounced the “Federal Council of Churches of Christ” ran by John Foster Dulles [Dulles Airport], a one of the most dangerous subversive institutions in the country.  Dulles worked for Rockefellers.

“However, you don’t know that,...” However, if one doesn’t know, there is nothing more that can be said that could be believable.”

*****Actually, speaking in reality we do know. The Bible tells us what we want to know.  You are the ones that have nothing to go by but your own devices, personal wisdom based on your past, the History books, your personal desires etc…..which we know that the history books is bunk….and the MSM lies and has lied since before any of us was born…the only book in existence, literally is the Bible….

“You are trying to say that a thing exists without having any knowledge that it does exist.”

*****The knowledge does exist for us that believe and subsequently knows that the Bible is correct.

“And you are offering fear of the unknown as a justification for your beliefs.  You are exactly using fear to try to force the belief that there will be a day of reckoning by some supernatural entity.”

*****you call it fear, but it is reality of what the result of sin will be.  Its like you tell a person who is getting ready to commit mass murder that he can be executed if caught.  Is that fear or is that the truth of what the punishment will be.  In this case, any sin that is committed in the sight of God is death…and a permanent separation from his grace.  This is the reason he sent Jesus [God incarnate] to take the punishment for those sins…..and all we have to do is believe on him and repent.  simple truth.

“Your bible is not historically correct, and that has been proven.”

******I know that you haven’t but, you will say so no matter what to cover all your bases.  It has never been proven historically incorrect.  The only controversal part of the Bible are the miracles and proving the claims that Jesus made referring himself to be God. 

You already are showing your lack of knowledge and certainly shooting your credibility down as the Bible at no time was hearsay. It was written by eyewitnesses to the events with the exception of the creation and the future, but that was by the Holy Spirit.  The birth of Jesus was predicted in the Old testament, all through it…....and he actually fulfilled 37+ propheses in the OT of his being born.

“And you are offering fear of the unknown as a justification for your beliefs.  You are exactly using fear to try to force the belief that there will be a day of reckoning by some supernatural entity.”

Ew!  Well, put!  I am in such a crappy mood tonight,  but I wish I had noticed that.  It makes my very point.  If you can’t love them into heaven, use fear.  If fear doesn’t work, bribe them with virgins, streets of gold, etc. If that doesn’t work, go back to fear and use seven headed dragons and boiling hot excrement or whatever else evil man has placed in the “true book”.

Sure, the love of money is the root of all evil.  But I guess if you’re god, it’s okay to bribe people with it.

Tom, who do you think you’re kidding?  You’re scared to death of every conspiracy theory that you come across.  I know this was ingrained from religion.  Unless you’re mentally ill.  I have never thought that of you—I suppose it’s possible. You’re definitely deluding yourself.

“If you choose Salvation, repent and follow Jesus Christ, and for sake of argument he didn’t exist and you followed his commandments, plus to love one another, I don’t see anything wrong with that.  You just lived a good life.  However, if you are wrong and he exists [which he does], your eternity is set…....easy choice.”

Yes, yes, unless the Jews are right or Islam’s truth is THE truth.  Then we’re all fucked.  And all because “god” (whichever one is real) asked us to choose based on a blind faith that was written by untrustworthy sources: MEN.

The Muslims say the same.  They have the book of the prophet.  The Jews say the same.  They, too, have a book that holds the truth.  The old adage comes in handy.  You can’t all be right, but you can all be wrong. Since all three are politically motivated, my guess is that they’re not just wrong, but that they are evil.  Yep!  If there is a god, s/he/it is nothing to do with those books.  They’re all three CHOCK FULL of man-made lies and errors.  For you to sit there and say the KJV is intact is a bald faced lie.  You must know that!

The problem is tgambill, if you don’t know, then whatever it is you don’t know, nothing at all can be said about it.  No knowledge exists.  You say, “Okay, then you live, die and then that is it for you.  However, you don’t know  that,...”  However, if one doesn’t know, there is nothing more that can be said that could be believable. 

Again, if someone doesn’t know what an afterlife might offer, nothing at all can be said about it.  One cannot make any assumptions at all based on ignorance.  Nothing assumed can ever be checked out because there is no knowledge involved, but that is exactly what you are trying to do.  You are trying to say that a thing exists without having any knowledge that it does exist. 

And you are offering fear of the unknown as a justification for your beliefs.  You are exactly using fear to try to force the belief that there will be a day of reckoning by some supernatural entity. 

Your bible is not historically correct, and that has been proven.  You simply refuse to believe the evidence that it is incorrect.  The bible you are referring to is merely a bunch of scribbles by a collection of goat herders who wrote down hearsay stories.  Nothing is corroborated by any reliable sources.  Even the gospels contradict one another.  The stories don’t match up, even of the same alleged events. 

No only that but your last post sunk into incoherent babble.

“You know what’s even more amazing, Tom?  Your paranoia.  It’s another “tell”.  It reveals why you would fear for an afterlife.”

******There is no paranoia.  There is concern for the truth to be known and told.  Not the lies, the evil that pervades in peoples lives and they don’t even know it.  You mistake my drive to inform people; linked with my personal fears or feelings.  They are not. I have no fear of the after life.  I have a concern to spread truth among the liars in the same vein that the Liars want to spread their lies and misconceptions.  So, you continue to make erroneous assumptions about what people think or feel or know for that matter. 

 
“By the way, AKgurl didnt’ say that she would go out of her mind without her god.  This is what she said: “That when you die, you just dissolve into the ground and thats it..?? For me, I would go absolutely mad if that was how I saw my present and future existence.”

*****okay, so…...?  Its linked to the same thing.  Again you like to split hairs and twist things to fit your perception and spreading the misconception.  It just means she is honest about truth which is unlike those that are in denial of truth. 

“More paranoia.  What’s wrong with falling to sleep?  I didn’t hear Beethoven.  Neither did you.  We won’t hear the next prodigy after we die either.”

******For someone that has no real clue about the afterlife you sure are pretending that you do.  Just because you don’t know, doesn’t mean that you can make any assumptions as you say that we as Christians can’t make.  you have no idea….......you have no evidence either written or otherwise that you can even call false.  We at least have the Bible that no one can refute, is historically correct….so that is more than you have.

“Non-existence isn’t anything to fear.  However, did I or didn’t I please such and such a god, is something to fear.”

*****okay, lets assume that you are right.  Non existence isn’t anything to fear?  Okay, then you live, die and then that is it for you.  However, you don’t know that, nor do you have any reports, dogma, or otherwise to point to.  True or not from your perspective, we have the Bible to back it up.  Now, if you are right, assuming, then there isn’t anything to fear either way.  However, if you are wrong…....as the Bible says, or even if you don’t read the Bible, you have picked your eternity and you chose to spend it in Hell.  Its your choice.  If you choose Salvation, repent and follow Jesus Christ, and for sake of argument he didn’t exist and you followed his commandments, plus to love one another, I don’t see anything wrong with that.  You just lived a good life.  However, if you are wrong and he exists [which he does], your eternity is set…....easy choice. 

Whether you have the right god or not.  Whether you had the right religion or not…fear, fear, fear, fear.  Control the people with silly tales of fear. Fuck love! FEAR.  Love is a hippy thing.  FEAR is a religious thing.  It works!  Just look at yourself and you will see it.

You know what’s even more amazing, Tom?  Your paranoia.  It’s another “tell”.  It reveals why you would fear for an afterlife. 

By the way, AKgurl didnt’ say that she would go out of her mind without her god.  This is what she said: “That when you die, you just dissolve into the ground and thats it..?? For me, I would go absolutely mad if that was how I saw my present and future existence.”

More paranoia.  What’s wrong with falling to sleep?  I didn’t hear Beethoven.  Neither did you.  We won’t hear the next prodigy after we die either.  Non-existence isn’t anything to fear.  However, did I or didn’t I please such and such a god, is something to fear.

Whether you have the right god or not.  Whether you had the right religion or not…fear, fear, fear, fear.  Control the people with silly tales of fear. Fuck love! FEAR.  Love is a hippy thing.  FEAR is a religious thing.  It works!  Just look at yourself and you will see it.

As I told you, paranoia will destroy ya.

The freedom is truth.  She was honest to say that if she didn’t have God in her life she would be out of her mind.  Meaning, because of the evil that persists and the supernatual presence of God through Jesus Christ he sustains her.  I can’t judge your claim to be Christian, and I can’t judge, assuming you are truthful, you LOSS of faith as we all are tested, but the true of faith doesn’t leave.  He is there for us and will test our faith.  You have shedded reason and you have shedded light…..others won’t suffer like you since then have stronger faith and patience. 

You tend to act friendly or write that way to sway, then you go off on a tangent…:))  very clever.  Anyway,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549

Its long but interesting of the what’s going to happen.  It is a fact that there is an ancient plan hidden for centuries deep within secret societies.  It has been designed to bring all of mankind under a single world government, A NEW WORLD ORDER.  It is so old it is even mentioned in the Bible, even as to the characters.  The Rule of the Anti-Christ mentioned in the Revelation of Saint John the Divine. 

He’s not talking about the communists, he is talking about the 33rd degree Masons, Skull and Bones, control of the media.  The Kennedy’s are a part of the Illuminati.  A true American.  He died for it as did Robert and many others.  Major General Smedley Butler did also, “War is a Racket”....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS7l6i4w11U&feature=related

” have news for you, the truth will come out one last time before the Tribulations start.  AKgurl already is many light years ahead of learning anything from this conversation I am having from you two.”

Like I said, Tom, tick tock.

As for AKgurl I applaud her for being honest enough to reveal that “she would go out of her mind” if she didn’t have her belief system.  But in the long run, my guess is that she’s going out of her mind wondering anyway.  Otherwise, what is she doing here?  For that matter what are you doing here, Tom?  Anyone with a half wit can see your tales are tall and belong solely to you.

As for me, I am shedding reason and light so that others never suffer what I did when I was a Christian.  If anyone takes something from the logic I type, I am glad, glad, glad.  Thats one step closer to freedom for them.

Prayers are useless.  But if it makes one feel better, go for it.  Psychological devices can be helpful to make it through the night (or any anxious problem).  Course I think a glass of Cabernet could do a lot more good.  At least one can feel the effect, it tastes great, and you can have a great salad with it, and….some fresh bread.  But facing the reality of truth, now that is the hard part, and the delusional fairy tales keep the veils over one’s eyes and prevents one from being a whole and integrated human being.  Religion is a narcotic and keeps truth from the door.

Its interesting to hear that we go out of our mind, by believing in Jesus.  Its quite the opposite.  They are providing labels that could very well be Freudian slips…...You are right about praying for them, as I don’t really flame anymore like I did.  Every once and a while I’ll throw a negative comment or judgment in that direction but, I catch myself afterwards and realize that it was not the thing to do.  I’m working on that.  We cannot trust any human, Pope, Preacher, Minister or pastor, etc….until we know the or she is teaching that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way.  Not Christ, but, Jesus Christ.  A false christ and messiah is coming soon that will make even the atheist bow down or die…...this is by their own plans and quotes. 

August 15, 1871 - Now, can any thinking person doubt that the intrigue now going on in the near Middle and far East is designed to accomplish that satanic objective? Albert Pike himself foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini. Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England; he said:
 
“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both ! conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

This is entirely wrong at what you are saying.  The Lack of awareness and denial on the part of Atheist will be the shock and awe they will experience when the time of judgment comes.  Science fails, evolution fails, the New Age Designers have failed in producing results but succeeded in misleading an unaware public.  Atheism and New Age Religion have no root system but they do have a common internal fear.  The fear that just maybe Jesus doesn’t really exist.  If I close my eyes and believe otherwise maybe it will just be.  I have news for you, the truth will come out one last time before the Tribulations start.  AKgurl already is many light years ahead of learning anything from this conversation I am having from you two.  I’m surprised that Jimmy the Rocket hasn’t shown up by now…..)

part II, we have an incredible future up ahead. 

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Hello, I agree with you.  We have have to watch our backdoor as well.  I have discovered that the church is falling away as the Revelation has said.  The push is for a new Messiah, a new Christ to come into view.  The only one is Jesus who died on the cross and rose again.  The wolves in sheeps clothing now and supporting the same religion that Oprah is coming up with are the following: Robert Shueller, Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Bishop Pearson, Bishop Braizer, the list if growing.  I also found that the Illuminati has widely used these folks.  I quote from Roosevelt’s Communist Manifesto, by Emanuel Josephson, 1955, page 62-63.

“Whenever under attack, the Rockefellers make such “philanthropic” gesture, particularly to religion.  In the early part of this century following the outraged outcry of the nation at the brutal Colorado Fuel & Iron massacre of their workers, the set up hte Laura Spelman Rockfeller Memorial.  It initially was entirely devoted to “charity” and support of churches; but as soon as pubic attention was diverted, its moneys went ot the support went to the support of subversion and the Illuminati-communist comspiracy under the direction of Beardsley Ruml.  THEY ALSO LAUNCHED BILLY SUNDAY ON HIS EVANGELICAL REVIVALISM IN THAT ERA AS THEY ARE NOW DOING WITH BILLY GRAHAM. [1950’s].  Weishaupt taught his followers well the value of using “religion” and “philantropy” as a cover for the conspiracy.  In 1936, Naval Intelligence pronounced the “Federal Council of Churches of Christ” ran by John Foster Dulles [Dulles Airport], a one of the most dangerous subversive institutions in the country.  Dulles worked for Rockefellers. 

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Thanks for the prayers AKgurl, but I believe that’s when you don’t do anything and feel like your have helped.  So it’s really not necessary.

As for this statement: “At least for me in my defense of believing in Christ and the Lord our God I can safely say,..Why live your life everyday thinking that you were just here by chance?”

Don’t you think you’re taking just as big of a chance in believing Christ is the Lord your God and not Allah?  No, because my guess is, you live in the western world.  You’re really no different than anyone.  You’ve just deluded yourself that you have the answer.  I say there’s no god.  You say it’s Jesus.  Someone else says it’s Allah, and yet someone else says it’s YHWH.

You’re taking a huge risk.    Just as big as anyone else.  Your piety is only surpassed by your fear.  My question to you is: why live in fear?  You don’t KNOW that Jesus is lord or that he ever even existed- so why go “out of your mind”?  Just live the one life you know you have.

Akgurl, you can deny anything you want.  It is your prerogative to believe anything you want.  But if you make a public statement then you are hoping to receive confirmation of your beliefs.  Your comment is typical of those who have given up their own mind to fables and stories because of the fear of death and the ignorance of the nature of the universe in which you find yourself.  That is the ancient and primitive fear and origin of religion.  You feel the infant comfort in thinking you have “something” that takes care of you.  From your own words you are emotionally dependent on a caregiver.  Why live your life dependent on a fictionalized supernatural being?  Why do you not take responsibility yourself to make your life meaningful?  What is really so bad at dissolving back into the particles from whence you came?  You have no consciousness of yourself before you were born, why need a consciousness of a sort after you die?  You have your rathers and preferences of thinking you will somehow live forever, eternally even after your body dies.  And that is all you know.  You know only your own fear and have laziness of mind.  What might “you” be like after you die?  Will you still be you?  You might cruise the entire set of comments, all the pages of this article to see the evolution of the dialogue that tgambill and Annie Reitano are now having.  They represent the two different polls of the human mind.  Ignorance and truthful awareness.  You might learn something.

HAHAHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ANrvQC4wIk&feature=related

God, spirit, Nephilm, Cherubim, seraphim, satan, unicorns, half men-half creature/angel giants,  lucifer, Joseph, twelve brothers, disowned by everyone but father, KING JOSEPH—Jesus, miracles, walking on water, healing the sick, making the parlyzed walk again, touch his robe and you’ll be fine, twelve disciples, one denies him, disowned by everyone except dad, (because he was his own dad)  KING JESUS….

It’s a re-run of the OT.  But I am prepared.  tick tock tick tcck.

Dear gods and monsters, your time is running out. 

haha It IS bullcrap!!  It’s so mythological that anyone who believes it today is batshit crazy.  It’s like the Scientologist, alien huggers.  What is happening to the melted minds of people??

I think it’s our inner need to feel special.  I really do.  I know that’s what it was for me.  Terrible parents (good xians! go figure) but terrible parenting.  I never felt a part of any crowd or group.  Jesus made it all clear to me.  Until I read about his dad! 

Lewis Black was right.  God calmed down after having a son.  Enjoy the comic side.

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What a bunch of bull crap!

no, not full stop.  Its all true and it all happened as it was written.  Read the prophesy of now and be prepared for the fulfillment of the next prophetic events that will happen. 

I have been fully aware of the different times.  You are smoking something and it isn’t menthol….

I’ll make is short and sweet…..He sent down Watchers, to guide man, as they were given human bodies, no parents of man.  There is a difference.  Son of man, daughters of man are just that….The OT was tough on those that were not in God’s favor.  They were evil and so forth…with Nephilim bloodlines.

“Well, at least you acknowledge that the times were different then and now.  Amazing.  You fail to be aware that the times were different except for now you freely admit it…..hmmmmmmm?”

Lay off the wine, Tom.  I never said that times today were the same.  Quite the contrary.  It’s been my main point.  You believe iron-age primitives and I believe what I understand today—it’s all bullshit and is impossible, not improbable.  It’s all simply myth.  I have always said that.  Full stop.

“And it came to pass . . . That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. . . . There were giants [nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” (Genesis 6:1-4)

Angels had sex with women.  So, we have half man-half human creatures on the earth.  mmm hmmm You’re drinking tonight, aren’t you Tom?  Angels came to bed down women with their giant penises.  Hey!  I thought that angels were androgynous.  Xian apologists say that they’re androgynis and try to dismiss Nephilm talk.  That’s one more version .....

“And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was 675,000 sheep, And 72,000 beeves, And 61,000 asses, And 32,000 persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him . . . of which the Lord’s tribute was 32 persons. And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord’s heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.” (Numbers 31:32-41)

Yep! ..As the Lord commanded Moses.  I must have that taken right out of context.  hahaha