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Mike Rose is on the faculty of the UCLA Graduate School of Education and Information Studies and author of a number of books, including "The Mind at Work: Valuing the Intelligence of the American Worker." His latest book is "Back to School: Why Everyone Deserves a Second Chance at Education"...




 



 
 

The Questions Education Reformers Aren’t Asking

Education is moving to domestic policy center stage. The first round of competition for federal “Race to the Top” funds is over, and that competition generated a flurry of school reform activity across the nation. Fifteen states and the District of Columbia were selected and are now preparing for a winnowing round two.

In addition, the Department of Education just released its proposal to revamp the important Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA), which is up for reauthorization. (Its last incarnation brought us No Child Left Behind.) This proposal is already fueling local and national debate about the particulars of school reform: how to assess teacher quality, for example, or the promulgation of charter schools, or how to remedy failing schools.

So far, our discussions and debates about education have been focused on these particulars, frequently sparking more heat than light. But there seems to be little alternative thinking in the approach to school reform itself. And both elite and mainstream media have pretty much fallen in line with the reigning policy talk about the problems with our schools and how to fix them. As well, no one in power is asking the more fundamental questions like: What is the purpose of education in a democracy, and are our reforms enhancing—or possibly restricting—that purpose?

I wrote the following essays over the last year to address some of these broader questions.

 

 

Part One: Education ‘Miracles’ Don’t Survive Scrutiny

Despite a childhood of incantations and incense, of holy cards and stories of crutches being tossed, I don’t believe in miracles. So it is with less than wonderment that I watch as a language of miracles—along with a search for academic cure-alls and magic bullets—infuses our educational discourse and policy.

We started off the new century with the Texas Miracle, the phenomenal closing of the achievement gap and reduction of dropout rates through a program of high-stakes standardized tests. (The Texas Miracle would then spawn the federal No Child Left Behind Act.) Politicians and media-savvy administrators have also found the miraculous; the governor of my state, Arnold Schwarzenegger, referred to an Oakland charter school as an “education miracle.” And the pundits have appropriated the lingo. A recent New York Times column by David Brooks on the charter school of the Harlem Children’s Zone was titled “The Harlem Miracle.” And so it goes. 

Upon closer examination, some of these miracles turn out to be suspect, the result of questionable assessments and manipulated numbers. The Texas Miracle didn’t hold up under scrutiny. And some, like the Harlem Children’s Zone—which is a commendable place—gain their excellence through hard work along multiple dimensions, from teaching and mentoring to utilizing outside resources and fundraising. There’s nothing miraculous about their successes.

Along with talk of miracles, we have the belief in educational wonder drugs and magic bullets—single-shot solutions to complicated problems: high-stakes testing, standards, charter schools, small schools, alternative teacher recruitment, slash-and-burn CEO management and so on. Each of these solutions has potential merit. Standards can bring coherence to a curriculum; small schools can result in increased student contact; alternative recruitment and credentialing bring new blood into the teaching force; some districts need the serious administrative shake-up that managerial housecleaning can provide. All good. But for these efforts to work, to increase the quality of education, other factors have to be present as well.

The structural change that leads to the small school needs to be accompanied by a robust philosophy of education, a set of beliefs about ability, learning, knowledge and the purpose of education. As well, you’ll need a decent teaching force with opportunity built in for ongoing development. And what about curriculum? Or a set of ideas on how to connect school with community? The structural move of creating the small school may be central in all this—truly important—but, at its best, it will be a necessary but not sufficient condition for educational renewal. As small-schools pioneer Deborah Meier once said, you can have crappy small schools, too.

Research on charter schools—most recently a comprehensive study from Stanford’s Center for Research on Education Outcomes—demonstrates the kind of variability you would expect if you didn’t believe in miracle cures: Some charters are terrific, some are average, and some are awful. The same set of issues I raise for small schools applies here: What you do within the new school structure matters immensely.

The kick-ass-and-take-names managerial cleanup that we’ve seen in places like Washington, D.C., and New Orleans has indeed disrupted the status quo, and I’ll leave it to those who know those districts well to judge the legitimacy of the shakeup. But what interests me is what happens once the new broom sweeps clean. Then the same weighty questions emerge, questions involving curriculum, teacher quality and development, remediation, school-community connections and the like. To address these crucial issues, the school manager will need knowledge of human development, of teaching and learning, of the wisdom of the classroom. Because few of the new CEO types possess such knowledge, you have the rush to the magic bullet.

Let me consider one more magic bullet, since recently it has been making its way through opinion pages and commentaries: alternative teacher recruitment, most notably Teach for America. (See, for example, Thomas Friedman’s April 21 New York Times column or the “NewsHour With Jim Lehrer” for July 7.)

I admire Teach for America and the public service spirit that drives its recruits. In the early ’90s, I met with founder Wendy Kopp and participated in TFA summer training in Los Angeles, and I’ve taught students who have gone into the program or came out of it. Furthermore, my own introduction to education came via an earlier alternative program, Teacher Corps. So my concern is not with Teach for America itself but with the way it has been defined as yet another wonder drug, the ingredients of which are the idealistic energy of youth and an elite education. Sadly, Teach for America has become a weapon in the education wars, rather than a laudable vehicle through which young people can contribute to the education of a nation.

I’m all for idealistic, hardworking enthusiasm, and I welcome into the nation’s classrooms these graduates of fine schools. But most of them teach for two years (and possibly a third) and then move on to the careers they went to college to pursue.

I’m troubled by two more issues related to the magic-bullet discourse here. First, many who champion TFA seem to affirm an idiosyncratic model of professional development: that these young people’s elite undergraduate educations and their energy trump extended training and experience. There is no other kind of work, from styling hair to surgery to the pro football defensive backfield, where experience is so discounted. No TFA booster, I’d wager, would choose a med student fresh out of a cardiology rotation over a cardiologist who had been in practice for 15 years.

I also want to consider the assumptions about knowledge and teaching here—or more precisely the use of the status of one’s undergraduate institution as a proxy for being able to teach what one knows. Knowing history or chemistry or literature is essential to teach these subjects, but—again this is common sense—knowing something does not mean you are able to teach it, as countless undergraduates who have sat through bad lectures can verify.

Let’s consider this elite-school proxy for pedagogical expertise from one more perspective. I went through two books that profile first-rate teaching: my “Possible Lives” and Karin Chenoweth’s new “How It’s Being Done.” I also looked at the Council of Chief State School Officers’ National Teacher of the Year program. Only a handful of these top-flight teachers got their bachelor’s degrees from institutions typically defined as elite. A number hail from state universities. And a considerable number come from small local colleges with teacher education programs. Expertise in teaching is more than a function of one’s undergraduate pedigree.

What miracle talk and magic-bullet solutions share is the reduction of complexity, of the many levels of hard, creative work necessary to make schooling successful in the United States.

More so than many other domains of public policy, education is bedeviled by a binary polemics, a tendency to define an issue in either/or terms and then wage a pitched battle over the (exaggerated) differences. So we have the math wars, the whole-language versus phonics explosion, the knowledge versus process clash, and so on. These are fierce battles in which each side reduces the other’s argument—often to the point of caricature—and then assails it.

The miracle/magic-bullet discourse plays right into this state of affairs, and both emerges from and contributes to it. Part of believing in this single-shot causality requires a simplification of difficult issues and a dismissal of other possible variables and remedies. If you have the single truth, then everything else is a target.

There’s one more concern, and that has to do with failure. What happens when the miracle fades, when the magic bullet doesn’t cure the disease? For some who are ideologically inclined, there is despair, a throwing up of the hands and retreat to the dismissal of public education that we’ve witnessed over the past two or three decades.

I propose that we leave the holy cards at the schoolhouse door, that we admit that educational excellence is achieved through dedicated effort along multiple dimensions—structural, curricular and pedagogical—and that we call a moratorium on the demonizing either/or polemics that create more heat than light. Unfortunately, that moratorium would probably require a miracle—but it’s one I’m ready to pray for. 

Continued: Business Goes to School
Dig last updated on Mar. 19, 2010


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By Elmerroehoe, May 15, 2012 at 5:49 am Link to this comment
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ONE TRUFFLES ROOTED DOWN IN STINK HOLLOW
Randy please note:
Here is a complete note from ” THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS) by ASSAYID ISSA AL HADDI 1991, PUB. N.Y. “TENTS OF KEDAR “.

IN QUOTE: ” Take recent history, for example. There is an immutable and rigidly-dogma, dogma, taught to all the people through the land, that the Germans were uniquely and sole responsible for starting World War11. Thus, the unspeakable disastrous political results of that war–the rise of COMMUNISM and the destruction of Europe as a world force, as well as infinite human suffering both during and after the war: 50 million lives lost,an ultimate financial cost of 25 trillion dollars or more–can be comfortably blamed on the Nazi devils without pain of having to examine the possibility that Britain, America and our ” noble ally “, the Soviet Union, were note entirely blameless. Another subject which has been completely removed from the realm of national, open discussion by the repressive effects of the myth is that mysterious international force known as Zionism Just what is the true extent of the power that this shadowy force exerts over all of governments of the West? Do Zionism and COMMUNISM and Zionism spring from the same origins, and are they still interconnected today? Were the only two victors of the war ZIONISM and COMMUNISM? If so, what part did they play in its incitement? What is the connection of Zionism with the news media and with those very practical and profit-minded men who control our money system? What are the real aims of Zionism? End quote!

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AS THE WORLD EVOLVES

THE PSEUDO POLITICAL/RELIGIOUS SPIRIT OF INIQUITY
AND THE SALVATION OF OUR REPUBLIC IS IN THE HANDS
OF GRAND ORIENTAL EASTERN WORLD HEMISPHERIC PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS GANGSTERS. POST POLITICAL ARMAGEDDEN IS A FORERUNNER OF THIS POLITICAL MACHINE, AN EVIL EMPIRE OF AN INCIPIENT PLAGUE EVER APPROACHING WITH ITS METHOD OF SYNDICATED INELUCTABLE DETERMINISM’S MENACE TO LITERALLY DESTROY AMERICA FROM WITHIN !

Behind the shadows of contemporary professional journalism
and in the every day mental recesses of honorable
layman, or hundreds of loose-minded mobs, lurks a
well concealed fact, being implanted from the womb to
the tomb. This mysterious spirit of iniquity can be
traced back over a several thousands of years. Before
the great deluge mother nature wreaked havoc upon
mankind that fell into a trap of which was set up by
the identical political forces having control over
our Republican institution. It is impossible to
segregate or divide the ever drifting of universal
Judaic/Christian into an iron-fisted grasp, of any
and all, of whom believe that the Constitution
hallows no amalgamation or alliance between religion
and state. George Washington and Thomas Paine agreed
upon this matter, but Paine realized that a somewhat
mysterious influence was amidst the Founding Fathers.
Thus, Paine wound up in a French dungeon, for going
against the ancient menace of ineluctable
determinism’s hold upon any and all minds dwelling in
the universal fields of pseudo-man made religions, as
allied with political whoredom never forgive when
openly exposed. For sure, this poster will not make
that mistake. Not one President of this United States
has failed to follow the mysterious methods being
imposed upon the people, because they are not fully
aware as to this mysterious, not mythical, individual
personality disorder of transcendental grand oriental
fundamentalism, with its anti spiritual nature to
absolutely destroy the American Republic. Hand-in-
hand with this transcendentalism is its chief method
used to compel political whores to eat crow. This
little unknown metaphysical implant is known as
GLANDULAR MURDER. Combined, this twin method of
deposing any and all political opposition, brings on
sudden heart attacks and other deaths through causing
specific glands to over react at once. The last book
written on McCarthy mentions that the Senator knew
that he was being killed, but he could not comprehend
the manner used. This was glandular murder. At this
very moment it is being used against any movie star
or politician of whom steps out of line. This is
something like being excommunicated from some
religious denomination and being ostracized.

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By Elmerroehoe, May 13, 2012 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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FOOLS RUSH IN WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD–MISINFORMATION

It takes an uneducated man to see through journalistic loops, just as a lion would do the same. Naturally, both are well trained at voice indictiveness. The real problem with hundreds of journalists is individual perception, as to what would tickle the innards of a fool, or actually placate genuine intelligence as to public inquiry.

No doubt about it, the art of genuine journalism is to inform on state issues, not gossip for morons of whom are tied to minor issues based upon comic meditation.

True, the reading public, generally harbors to the herd instinct, and must be fed with something palatable and reassured that their trough will be refilled on each morning.

Absolutely, our nation depends as a whole, on professional printed input which rolls truth forward, that will give pertinent facts, as a safety net in keeping our Republic at odds with alien influence that too, have printing presses on hand!

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CANINE EDUCATION

Thank goodness for the poster called Edward. This person
recognized the twin sides of hundreds of canine owners, in trying
to conceal individual anxiety, while suffering from paranoid
inclinations, that harbor split personalities, bordering upon
self-induced masochism of repressive Oedipus encircling infantile thought.Dr. Sigmund Freud surmised these types of personalities
as suffering with the ( Personality Suppression Complex Syndrome ).

This clever master of unraveling disassociated minds, and their
sub conscience willingness to conceal pent up erotic inhibitions, that exceptional racket was the driving force behind
a more relevant psychiatric classification, as the ( Personality
Suppression Gravitational Complex Syndrome).

Mr.Edwards was on to something in discerning that possibly a
variation of specific personality traits. Masochism has become a religion with hundreds of specific canine lovers across America.
The late Emily Zola, one of France’s eighteen hundreds authoritative writers on canines, used Freudian concepts in declaring that too much mutt consoling would
possibility lead into a mental disorder termed ( Ineluctable Determinism. This is an individual preneurological mental disorder, that requires self torture [ masochism [
through elevated neuroticism, or a perpetual monologue [ deified ego ], in
enjoying the comfort of barking dogs. Here we have psychotic manifestations of an inhibited class, in attempting to impose, transpose , disturbed personality traits into mutts. that cannot comprehend that their so-called [ master [ might be a raving lunatic in need of mental hygiene.

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By drbhelthi, March 29, 2012 at 12:39 am Link to this comment

Hogorina, how dare you be so comprehensive and accurate in your responses !  What are you trying to do?  Placing an accurate focus on the basic values that have developed mankind to the current position of stagnated progress, by revealing a few persons who have been major de-railers along the train tracks, via their distorted value systems, and whose progeny continue their inhumane behaviors, might enlighten a few people.  However sadly, too few. 

Shenonymous, there is come accuracy in your synthesis of the two basic “schools” of hypotheses regarding the topic, “schizophrenia”.  Simply marvelous, how medicine has developed psychiatry into such a large industry that employs so many people.  With a few accidental successes, the drugs prescribed by this group reap billions in annual profits for the pharma industry.  While, the side-effects of the artificial, crude-oil extracts that are prescribed, provide a multitude of patients for their colleagues, who hold only the MD degree.  Whose prescriptions of artificial preparations perpetuates the income of the pharma industry – and its employees.  Then, there is the oncology industry, with its many thousands of employees around the world.  My statistics indicated that the failure rate for chemotherapy hovered around 92%.  However, a world-famous physician recently published the figure of 98%.  He also clarified that most of the victims do not die of cancer, but rather from organ failure generated by the poisons that oncology injects into the bodies of its victims, under the guise of “chemotherapy.”  Genuinely weird.  Nitrogen extracts of mustard gas, and other poisons, are supposed to cure cancer, which chemicals have been used for a hundred years or longer to kill people?  And the citizenry does not notice the disparity?

Just look at the profits generated by oncology, and the hundreds of thousands of corpses sent annually to the undertaking industry, increasing its business.  And, is it not wonderful, the pharma industry has isolated and extracted one element in a natural tree-bark that, it alleges might be useful in cancer treatment but which of course, “requires additional research,” and will not hit the market for several years.  Meanwhile, the native population has used tea from this bark to cure cancer and a host of other illnesses for a couple thousand years.  Is it not wonderful how psychiatry, allopathic medicine and the pharmacy industry provide so much employment around the world, while pursuing the habit of killing off its victim-patients under the guise of “medicine” ? 

NO.  Quite the opposite ! 
All are simply additional frauds of mankind heaped onto the pile clarified by Hogorina.

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By hogorina, March 27, 2012 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment
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THE BIPOLAR SHAM OF SOCIALISM

For thousands of years there have been questions, as to whether chickens have lips, or snakes have hips. No one has stepped into the limelight, paying attention to such comic dribble. But a most reasonable consideration questions Democracy vs Republicanism. Is it possible to recycle Republicanism to the point that Democracy will always remain as a political tool, a babe-in-arms. Hardly so! There was not a time on earth, even before the Great Deluge, that Democracy did not exist. Examine Babylon, Jericho, Canaan, Palestine, past and future unites that democracy will remain. The Standard bearer of modern-day democracy evolved from ancient monetary’s mitosis of wealth, monotheism, into sharing a little via placating various mob entities, to scream for more crumbs from a full slice. In a nutshell, even before Christ, the riddle of democracie’s failure to fade into the ancient dust, and as now, will never take place. Adam Smith in his ” Wealth of Nations’, had not attempted to unravel the riddle of an ever standing mysterious economic riddle. And he was the Grandfather of modern-day economics. Karl Marx never did explain how Democracy developed. It took one man, Socrates,
an ancient Athenian philosopher, ( 399 B.c. ), to warn of the grave consequences, in speaking out as against any Democratic state. Socrates was a Democrat;

he goes on: No man on earth who conscientiously opposes either you, ( speaking to a jury ), The [ Apology ], or any other organ was in republican hands ), from taking place in the state to which he belongs, can possibly escape with his life. Socrates suggested that it would be wise for anyone to avoid politics in order to live a happy and decent life.

Absolutely not! We cannot recycle Democracy. But we need to recycle political whoredom when given a chance. Now is the time for the very ideal of a thoroughly garbage canning most of the thieves in state control. Only through genuine contempt should be held against the Commie rule of America, in the hands of an international scheme of financiers, of whom have a craving desire to drag our nation into the palms of a pseudo anti-social Utopian scheme, in pulling the middle class down into a national gutter of, ( Democracy ), fronting for true Democracy. AMERICA MUST RECYCLE POLITICAL HOODLUMS———and revamping the Democracy that has been corrupted!

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By hogorina, March 26, 2012 at 7:05 am Link to this comment
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CANINE EDUCATION

                                  Thank goodness for the poster called Edward. This person
recognized the twin sides of hundreds of canine owners, in trying to
conceal individual anxiety,  while suffering from paranoid
inclinations, that harbor split personalities, bordering upon
self-induced masochism of repressive Oedipus encircling infantile thought.Dr. Sigmund Freud surmised these types of personalities as
suffering with the ( Personality Suppression   Complex Syndrome ). This
clever master of unraveling disassociated minds, and their subconscious
willingness to conceal pent up erotic inhibitions, that exceptional racket was the driving force
behind a more arising psychiatric classification, as the ( Personality
Suppression Gravitational Complex Syndrome).
Mr.Edwards was on to something in discerning that possibly a
variation of specific personality traits. Masochism has become a religion
with hundreds of canine lovers across America. The late Emily
Zola, one of France’s eighteen hundreds authoritative writers on canines, used
Freudian concepts in declaring that too much mutt consoling would
possibility lead into a mental disorder termed ( Ineluctable Determinism
). This is an individual pre-neurological mental disorder, that requires
self-torture through elevated masochism, or a perpetual monologue [  deified ego ], in
enjoying the comfort of barking dogs. Here we have psychotic manifestationsof an inhibited class, in attempting to impose, transpose , disturbed personality traits into mutts. that cannotcomprehend that their so-called [ master [ might be a raving lunatic in need of mental hygiene

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By hogorina, March 20, 2012 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment
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HIGHER Education  
   
    Polygraph….Modern Day Witch Craft
In the future their will be a national reunion of
retired liars, that had functioned in the field of Poligraphers, other wise
called ” The lie Detectors ” In research it has been discovered that these snake-oil verbal instigators are
of this lowest elements, of gutter existence, are now selling used cars and pied pipers of a gutter existence—
shoving cabs, pumping gas, or working in pawn shops. These sycophants, useless class of pro-
professional bums and parasites, have totally ruined innocent people, by their methods as pawns in the hands of organized crime, fronting for law
enforcement agencies, as pawns in the hands of organized crime. Skunks.
Having the experience in speaking with one of the
three recognized to work with the Kennedy assassination, poligrapher;
it was revealed that it is one poligrapher liar upon another, when several questioned the same victim. The Ouija Board is possibly much sounder, than wiring anyone to a Frankenstein thinking process, in using
wiring and electrodes, to the hide of any citizen in America.
It is assumed that their idol Lucifer, will be the main speaker at this event. His fellow travelers will then glory in their
home- made muck and mire, of digging into individual sewer lines, trying
to discover their kinship, some where in the lower life of an illicit business.

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By hogorina, March 18, 2012 at 10:32 am Link to this comment
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IT IS EXPEDIENT THAT ONE SHOULD DIE TO SAVE A NATION

These words were spoken in the past in Jerusalem. It has always remained a mystery, as to what specific
nation was involved two thousands years in the past, because there were several nations living in Judea at
that time. So it must be compromised, that it must have been the powers that be, or a tribal element that was
afraid that the Roman officials might learn of some secretive system, that was contrary to well organized
governments. At that time, local and allied foreign banksters held the local population in physical and religious
bondage. All religions require money. Hundreds of years later we discover that gold is the master servant over
the near and far East, Europe, Asia, and the Americas. In fact. the unassumed and unrecogized nation living in fear,
most likely have subtle ties to the hundreds of religious functionaries strewn across America.

The late William J. Bryan, related that America is being crucified upon a cross of gold. However, this is a mis-
nomer, for the Federal Reserve controls America. Well, actually, the Bank of England drives the nails into this
artifcial coffer of gold, as it is the center from whence monetary global financial empire rules the world.
Once, It was a good man that walked the gutters of Jerusalem numbering years past, moving amongst pro-
ductive folks, of whom produced all real wealth. It was the local bankster that held the state’s populace through
an oppressive hierarchy of allied nations, creating an open market for the merchants under police powers
in protecting an unjust interest system. The late Mark Twain, openly wrote that it was the bankers that
slaughtered
a humble man that loved freedom, and justice for all nations of mankind. This grand but grave personality
claimed that He was doing the will of His Father.

From that day on, when an an invisible society made an alliance amongst them selves, it was resolved
that an oath be put forward that an octopus of a money-powered monster would expend it’s tentacles
over the face of the then known world. Hundreds of years later this octopus moved into Europe in setting
up an invisible society known as the ( nobles ), or noblese. This political outlet existed in the early eighteen
hundreds. Decades later, under the Concert of Europe. In earlier nineteen hundreds international finance moved
in alotting the money supply of specific nations that fell into the universal web of financial master minding.

Hedging forward, The League of Nations took root and disappeared, as the banksters moved forward the United
Nations Organization became a tool and weapon for International finance in nourishing the seeds of Bolshevism.
Theodore Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were merely tools, puppets, leading America into moneytary rule over
France, England, Germany and the Netherlands. America is at a junction of political whoredom’s abetting that
our nation’s super structure will better be served by Oriental fundamentalism’s ties to the Rothschild wealth
of which is approximately sixty-five percent of the earth’s riches. Here we have high treason for our so-called
representatives of whom serve that nation that had taken an oath to survive.

Extended research brings to light the ( Pilgrim Society ), a secret invention of the late Cecil Rhodes in England.
Rhodes wanted a ( One World) government. This man’s intentions run back to 1776, when Adam Weishaupt sat
up the Illuminati another one-world order. And this goes on and on forever with such organizations running
throughout America. It is expedient that our nation composing the original colonies wake up and know about the World Bank of England and its ties to international finance, IF WE DO NOT, OUR NATION SHALL BECOME WORN, LINGERING TOWARDS IN DEPTH NIHILISM,
AND OUR SOUL WILL BECOME A SERVANT OF MONEY AND THE NATION WILL DECLINE WITH A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF CIVILIZATION.
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By hogorina, March 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment
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ST. PAUL EXPOSED THE OEDIPUS THEORY

Paul declared a verbal accusation against unholy church
members calling them dogs, swine, liars, rogues and devils; the club of schizophrenia was never known then. The only crowd that would be classed as psychos would be the many national news casters, but just fools.

Polygraphing is a classic modern day form of Witch Craft.
In the future there will be a national reunion of
retired liars, that had functioned in the field of mental disorientation, otherwise
called ” The lie Detectors. ” In research it has been discovered that hundreds of these two-time losers were
of the lowest elements of gutter existence; and are now selling used cars and
shoving cabs, or working in pawn shops. These sycophants, useless class of professional bums and parasites, have totally ruined innocent people, by their methods as pawns in the hands of organized crime, in an alliance with ambulance chasers and bail bondsmen, fronting for law
enforcement agencies, as pawns in the hands of organized crime. Skunks, scumbags,etc.
Having the experience in speaking with an elderly gentleman was a friend of one of the
three recognized to work with the Kennedy assassination, authorized to sit in on the Warren Commission.

Yes, it was revealed that this anti-social scheme consists an one liar upon another, when several questioned the same victim. The Ouija Board is possibly much sounder than wiring anyone to a Frankenstein thinking process, in using
wiring and electrodes to the hide of any citizen, in America.

It is assumed that their idle, Lucifer will be the main speaker at this event. His fellow travelers will then glory in their
home- made muck and mire, of digging in individual sewer lines, trying
to discover their kinship some where in the lower life of an illicit business. Absolutely, no psychiatrist fumbling along the road of Oedipus junction and psycho Ave.

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By hogorina, March 16, 2012 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment
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fixation on political contraceptives

Politicians are a very clever in their research regarding mental
disturbances. Debating you would be foolish, because it is
impossible to change another mind; however, education opens up individual perception and conception, in every direction of newly discovered pathways, to merge in the future.

Bringing up Dr. Freud’s Oedipus syndrome, we must conclude that a specific and particular tribal psychoneurosis is being repressed, within the very depths of this man’s [ his [ known inhibitions, of which forces having a tribal related international hysteria.
This psychoanalyst in the early twenties toured America outwardly proclaiming that all citizens in this state
were paranoid. But then again, being suspicious of strangers is a class perception.

We know that Dr. Sigmund Freud, just as Dr. Albert Einstein and Theodore Hershel, so-called founder of Zionism, has been co-collaborators as contemporary partisans, while residing in Vienna during the early eighteen-hundreds. Several of Freud’s co-workers went their ways, because they realized that Oedipus complex
had rested upon sex. The late Dr. Ben Friedman declared
phallus worship covers thousands of years from the past. And began to research into Freud’s ancestry to discover
the nature as one being absolutely spell-bound by some sort emotional fixation being tied to individual erotic desires. In essence, this bright man [ Freud , was actually using specific by-words to cover his own religion.

Please allow me to reiterate that the National Psychiatric Association has gotten away from the tag of
schizophrenia as a catchall to cover specific mental disorders not understood. The late Dr. Judd Marmor in
his ” Psychiatry In Transition ” and the late Dr. Karl
Menninger in his ” A Psychiatrist’s World ” will support the death of schizophrenic pandering.

Actually, the psychiatric world has dropped the word schizophrenic from its nomenclature on mental instability. Decades past, a radio personality, Major Bows, came on line with the words: ” Round and round she goes, and where she stops nobody knows.” Generally, this applies to our national citizens for sure, when anxiety steps forward before Congress, unannounced, in exploring the public utility of conquoring mother nature.

Yes, indeed, when an erotically inspired suppressed
individual takes a public stand in trying to shield repressed and socially unacceptable
uncontrolled inhibitions of personal proclivity to wander the psychoanlitic path ” The Personality Suppression complex Syndrome.” When individuals use a
political front, audience, democrat/republican, this is a pure herd instinct, in seeking some pleasure principle.

Getting back to Major Bows; he was a spy, but the people could care less; for he too, said just what they wanted
to hear. nothing! This man was a walking contraceptive in
that he was inhibitted with repressing untruths, self-induced masochism or the magnetic public venture of
spounting the greatness of contraceptive safety in attempting to shield suppressed erotic desires of bought into anxiety.

Further.Dr Freud’s social and political contraceptive
is sounding off through specific individuals, in
demanding that their next door neighbors, tax payers,
should pay for the good times ahead. Maybe tax payers do not want to abort mother nature in realeasing pent up
erotic specifics, rather revealing a guilt complex in
keeping in harmony the daily routine of public exhibitionist demanding via touting. For anyone to lead their case for contraceptives actually opens a door to
an earlier childhood that might fall into the realm of Freud’s Oedipus syndrome. But this identification with a toddler is a lead balloon that will never fly. We must conclude that pro-contraceptive advocates,
now fit into Fred’s perception of whom suffer from ” The Personality Suppression Gravitational Syndrome.” All in
all, individual guilt and erotic repressions use the mother nature block.

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By Shenonymous, March 16, 2012 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Oedipus screwed his mother.  Schizophrenia is a brain disorder
that interferes with the way a person thinks, sees the world, and
behaves according to their thinking and worldview. Their altered
perception of reality frequently involves a significant loss of contact
with reality seeing or hearing things that don’t exist, will speak in
strange or confusing ways, typically believe others are trying to harm
them, and almost all schizophrenics feel they are constantly being
watched.  For most sufferers, the earlier schizophrenia develops, the
more severe it is and the disorder tends to be more severe in men than
in women. 

The mental disorder usually manifest in early adult age so there has
been plenty of time to become educated, so being knowledgeable is
not precluded from the schizophrenic and they can sound []almost
normal.  Generally, their use of logic is also developed.  It is their
premises and conclusions that get scrambled with the truth of reality.

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THE HONEYMOON ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF FENCE

It seems that a national orgy is taking roots, as to what manner specific people should practice self-indulgence, in attempting by-pass mother nature. Dr. Sigmund Freud coined the ” Oedipus Complex,” into play regarding individual repression and regressing as individuals differ as to the unknown conscious release of erotic inhibitions and anxiety, long stored away since childhood. During mass hysteria, as we witness, sublimating intellectual are coming forth, in order to subconsciously connect with this nationwide release of stored up energy, being diverted from memories of infantile fixations, long repressed desires coming forth from toddler insecurity to be loved. This abnormal courting of a contraceptive guardian as a post behavioral confrontation, in trying to trick the alter Ego, in abiding with the Id to defuse overdue anxiety of which mentally unstable instincts must take group satisfaction, in clasping hands that some way must be found to thwart massive psychoneurosis in avoiding all temptations that has hounded mankind from the days of Adam and Eve. The National Psychiatric Association has long ago questioned just how Sigmund Freud designated regression and repression as tied to individual libido, in somewhat somewhat altering this opinion and its psychological play on individual neurosis. The late Dr.Judd Marmor, in his ” Psychiatry In In transition ” disapproves of Freud’s contention that a double classification toward personality disorder ( schizophrenia ) is incorrect; and that both word structure means one and the same…repression. Too, that schizophrenia is being dropped from psychiatry, because it has no clarity towards a supposed personality disorder. We must conclude that Freud’s Oedipus syndrome is in question. Yet, the squabble between pro-contraception preservers and those against this proposal, are in the same in that two classes of individuals are using public sublimation, as erotic desires still lay deep within the unknown subconscious– repression and regression.

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By Shenonymous, January 12, 2012 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

drbhelthi, in your frozen state of mind, you are reduced to name-
calling because you have nothing to offer.  You’ve not added anything
of any merit to this forum. What you do is blather on and on from your
vitriolic emotionalism.

If the prediction by the Reese Report in 1954 was to prepare for a
dictatorship in America, obviously after 58 years, more than half a
century, it was wrong.  And any association between the US with
Russia is farther apart than it has been in 30 years.

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By drbhelthi, January 12, 2012 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

Obviously, your reading comprehension is attuned to ideas that mesh with your
blogs that support the destruction of America, currently underway.  My note
mentioned several changes, that you seem to have overlooked.
“Anyway, the decisions for educational goals for America were decided in the
1920s-1930s, by the owners of the tax-free “Foundations.”  The goals were clearly
revealed in the Report of the Reese Committee of the U.S. Congress, 1954.  They
have been consistently implemented, which is why the US and western world has
denegraded to its current state.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqyRAxW-uOg

Documentation provided by the Report of the Reese Committee indicated that the
USA was to be prepared for dictatorship, and to be eventually joined with Russia. 
Also, public education was to be altered so as to support this goal, which
obviously has been done, part of which is the destruction of family values, which
has been accomplished to a large extent.

Fortunately, there are women who are honest, and who support the Constitution of
the United States of American and the Republic for which it stands. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrdpE3b1mY4&feature=related

In that regard, yes, my thinking is congealed, to support the sustenance of the
United States of America and the Republic for which it stands.  It is a pleasant
experience for me when paid shills, who support destruction of the U.S.A., attempt
to refute my posts.  Honesty and accuracy is attacked, while the media machine
and its pimps do as shenonymous does.

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By Shenonymous, January 12, 2012 at 5:19 am Link to this comment

Why good morning drbhelthi – in your frozen state of mind it is not
surprising that you do not see that anything has changed from the
30s.  By the way, state what those 1954 goals set down by Congress
are and didn’t they ‘change’ who were to be educated?  Do you even
know what Brown vs. Board of Education was about?  Did Bush’s
NCLB happen or not? What has been the effect of that little bit
of change education?  Oh, but nothing has changed in a half century,
right?  In your usual piking ways, you are only able to be cavalier
in your knowledge that so obviously has been shortchanged.  You
might pick up a book or two by John Dewey, Kneller, or Kohlberg,
and Soltis, and more recently Ken Robinson, et al, just to name a few
of the great minds who discussed what is essential as a foundation in
education.

But then, in your frozen state of mind, you have no idea and can have no
idea what discourse or discussion is so we should not expect any
dialogue of significance from you except your usual harpy comments. 

Perhaps to thaw your congealed thinking, try discussing what learning
models there are and the pros and cons of each. Oh, yeah…for a quickie
introduction that is easy access for a sedentary such as your self, try
looking up and reading all 53 references you can find at the Wikipedia
article on education.

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By drbhelthi, January 12, 2012 at 4:11 am Link to this comment

“Are, once they are born, children not to be autonomous thinking beings? “

The phases of life, as described by R. Havighurst, suggests several steps between birth and the arrival in life at a point when one is able to make appropriate decisions.  A baby makes few decisions, and a large percentage of adults are capable of making decisions that are appropriate for three to five yr-olds.  Thus, the break-down of family values, and the U.S.A.

Anyway, the decisions for educational goals for America were decided in the 1920s-1930s, by the owners of the tax-free “Foundations.”  The goals were clearly revealed in the Report of the Reese Committee of the U.S. Congress, 1954.  They have been consistently implemented, which is why the US and western world has denegraded to its current state.

Nice sounding propaganda, shenonymous.  Typical of your destructive blogs.

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By Shenonymous, January 11, 2012 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

This is an old and long forum that still gets an occasional visitor
and it seems to me after all the discussion, what ought to be
discussed as primary (first) questions that hitherto have not been,
are what is the primary reason to educate our young?  Is it to provide
them with the tools they need to flourish?  And if so, what exactly
should be taught towards that end?

There is also a popular creed that parents ought to have the sole
decision of what education their children will have?  Given the constant
reminder that humans are free and liberated individuals, my subsidiary question is why should parents have the autonomy to “educate” their
children in the way they choose?  Are, once they are born, children not
to be autonomous thinking beings?  But are they to be, are we to be,
merely clone-thinking automatons so provincially regimented in thought
that actually obstructs humans who have a functioning brain from their
individual flourishing?  Don’t we then have to discuss what is a human being, what is their role in this world, this universe, and what is our
responsibility to each other?

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By drbhelthi, November 23, 2011 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

@ Tamora17, November 21 at 4:23 pm (Unregistered commenter)

“How to be an “effective” teacher?  Just up the grades, it will keep you out
of trouble… “

My, my.
How scathingly accurate.
Reminds me of a few university-level situations when I assigned grades
accurately, instead of up-grading.

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How to be an “effective” teacher?  Just up the grades, it will keep you out of trouble…

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By hogorina, October 17, 2011 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment
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THE RIDDLE OF THOUGHT CONTROL

Three thousands years past a Man strolled along the
ancient city of Jerusalem. This was a good man as
history has shown. This strange personality had been
proclaiming that so-many people would dare listen or
comprehend just what was this individual was about.
This so-called messenger, stranger, from whence
unknown– this being was well versed in verbalism, and
straight-forth proclaiming his enemies with the most
stringent adjectives. Still, the higher ruling
element of this Holy city turned a deaf ear. This
Wanderer about the streets of Jerusalem openly wept,
because specific mankind in this man’s mind knew that
many could not see and not comprehend, while a
multitude stood amazed. In 70 A.D. this city was
destroyed because of the fact that one lonely
individual was not allowed to speak;
and the America today is headed in the direction
towards mass destruction because, collectively,
citizens are not allowed free speech even though our
constitution honors expression of opinion reflecting
free speech in a democratic system;
one should never forget that good Man that was nailed
to a tree, for wanting to speak in the name of one
that sent him on a mission. In reality this lonely
messenger dies for free speech, as gold and silver
mattered nothing to Him. This great Man was trying to
warn the people of pressing events and the Supreme
Court of Palestine put him to death. Dr. Sigmund
Freud would proclaim that that good man objected to
mind control just as Americans suffer from today–(
The Personality suppression complex syndrome );
collectively, this describes the Wall Street affair.
In essence, thousands of people nationwide suffer
from what is known as ( The Personality Suppression
Gravitational Syndrome );
yes, prior to and from A.D.70 A.D. Satan’s gang has
continually attempted to suppress free thought and it
shows in tallying up the crowds on Wall Street and
through out America;
With watchful eyes the National Psychiatry Industry
holds its hands–what is the next move of those whom
cannot speak freely. We now have a massive
psychoneurosis haunting America!

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By Mykonos villas, October 14, 2011 at 9:11 am Link to this comment
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Hmm.. It looks like your blog ate my first comment it
was long so I guess I’ll just sum it up what I wrote
and say, I’m thoroughly enjoying your blog. I , as well
an aspiring blog blogger but I’m still new to the
whole. Do you have any tips and hints for newbie blog
writers? I’d genuinely appreciate it.

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By drbhelthi, October 7, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

Crystaldemons, in my opinion, you did a comprehensive job, covering many of the
bases on why classroom instruction in public schools usually does not work well.  I
ran into all of these situations and a couple more, during my eleven yrs tenure in
school psychology. 
A question. 
Did your brainpower simply “give out” just before you wrote the summary sentence? 
It´s simplicity and brevity just does not match the aforegoing logic.

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By crystaldemons, October 7, 2011 at 8:24 am Link to this comment
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I think that there are issues that cut much deeper into our personal lives on education than we might like to think. I believe that many teaching methods for todays youths are just “far out there” children are learning to use computers before they know what the dewey decimal syetem is and they can’t even return their books on time.
Not every family has a perfect ideals or background that they would like to encompass, so when children are being placed into the school system, children are often bringing with them their family problems oft times, their broken spirits due to confusion, hardships, abuses, etc. many different problems and the burden of teaching or the teachers abilty to perform can somewhat hindered because of the incompetancy of the student to first deal with their inner turmoil, reaching through a child and grabbing their attention span is very difficult when the child is “elsewhere logically/mentally” so there are way more challenges teachers need to deal with than meets the eye, when a child is willing and able to learn without difficulty, great, the child had conquered his/herself and has overcome inner battles, But the child is not always the one with the inner battles, teachers themselves often battle with their own inner turmoil too sometimes handicapping the student or making poor judgement calls or using just plain awfull techniques because their own ability is questionable or compromised, though a teachers pride and the self serving centers of the educational system will often not regaurd themselves as being part of the problem when they should admit that they are part of the problem. 
Failure to recognize common upset, turmoil, sadness and grief or confusion is pretty bad! instead people are quick to judge like somehow the person themselves is a solution or part to a mathmatical figure with an easy answer, equating simple emotional problems with “diseases” and the “psyche world” everyone is trying to play doctor ! There is a saying, “Too many chiefs not enough indians! we allow masses of people or sometimes even 2 or 3 influence our roles as parents and as teachers/educators because somehow down the line we have found ourselves tip-toeing around one another because people have gotten so sensative about emotions we can’t just say that a person is upset anymore, because we don’t want to look like a bunch of “whiners” so we tend to overstate the obvious and inject a whole lot of socially perpetuated garbage like media junk into our heads and pass the buck on who’s to blame for our own inner turmoil, and when we can’t point a finger, we call it a disease or we then box ourselves in and call ourselves mental! we do this too ourselves and we let others do the same, we are a society of enablers ! a disease is a legit thing ! but mental is going crazy! We get influenced and persuaded and when we personally need help, we are lost, the blame game begins. Children don’t need fancy teaching systems, they need and crave basics, fundamentals, they don’t need fake superheros to tell teach the lessons they need real superheros like positive family support as well as bio feedback, yes children are human, they are not bots or toys, or dolls or pets ! they need mom and dad and close family and friends support and family members who aren’t supportive, get them the help they need otherwise children “will” model after them, if the friends or family members are terribly negative, seek on pushing them away until they get help. The same goes for “you are what you eat” as “You are who you meet”. I can only imagine how many men woman and children who are jacked up on prescription drugs for mental issues because of poor coping skills, bad nutrition and negative cycle lifestyles or little to no education themselves. Society itself is broken and needs to suck up quite a bit and learn how to cope and be a bit more self sufficient, suck in some deep breaths, stick out that chest and stand up straight.

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By 47wb, September 10, 2011 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment
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Okay, I have had it with all the YAPPING about teaching with no results. All the concepts discussed are the products of mentalities paying homage to themselves.
Here a little practical basis for creating real learning environments:

14 students per class max
No corporate created textbooks—create a curriculum that works to reach learning goals with the right materials.
No grades because they are pointless in real learning.
No standardized tests—because either people learn the material well enough to apply it—or they don’t.
Eye contact for everyone.
Open discussion of material amongst everyone in the class, not just the all knowing teacher and one student.
Mindful language for conversation.
Mutual respect between teacher and students.
Dump the charter schools, uniforms and everything else. This may sound simple, but putting it into practice is hard work. But it pays off when your goal is to “Educate the imagination” so well that when solving a problem the mind keeps on creating solutions until one works. Northrop Frye Rules.

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By heavyrunner, September 7, 2011 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

There are so many excessively long posts here that I am probably wasting my time writing another post, but I would like to suggest that the tables be turned, so to speak, and that educators be asked to contribute to the business climate that so effects the minds of our people, including the youth.

The FCC controls the licensing of the airwaves. Teachers should be consulted and rules for license renewal should be changed to limit what is on television because of the effects irresponsible programming and advertising are having on our children’s ability to learn.

And another aspect of educational responsibility which is way overdue for the FCC to enforce is to take money out of politics because it has destroyed our democracy. Political debates should be required to include all legitimately registered candidates, regardless of party. Free air time for all such candidates to present their ideas should be required as a part of license renewal. And charging for or offering other than the free advertising which should be made available equally to all registered candidates, should be prohibited on the grounds that it has a negative effect on the education of the public.

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By nikto, August 23, 2011 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment
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Our nation’s schools’ main problem is that
America’s schools are in a state of being ATTACKED.

Big Bizness interests, Venture Capital Groups, Hedge Funders, etc, comprise the people who are running the charter schools and school privatization movement.
They attack public schoo;s at every turn, fake their own charter school test scores, steal public TAX Monie$, cherry-pick students, etc etc.

People should eventually go to jail and/or HANG for these crimes.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, August 21, 2011 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment
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Some interesting new research on how technology is changing children’s brains and what changes should be made in our education system as a consequence:
http://www.salon.com/books/neuroscience/index.htm?story=/mwt/feature/2011/08/21/now_you_see_it_interview

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By Mark T, August 21, 2011 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment
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The Oakland miracle referenced (the link is broken)
at the top of the article was real. You can read
about it “Crazy like a Fox” by Ben Chavis. He started
out by firing all the teachers.
There are others: Jaime Escalante’s story (Olmos’
movie Stand and Deliver) he built a world-class math
program out of nothing and the Marxist dimwits at
LAUSD managed to fumble it away (actually they killed
it) in a couple years.
Rafe Esquith teaches little Mexican kid to memorize
Shakespeare in a low-income district in SoCal…oops
that’s too Eurocentric for the Left. Why don’t you al
just move to Venezuela? Or Cuba?
I see all the references to “critical thinking” in
the posts…would this be the Bill Ayers model of
Marxist scab picking? I seriously doubt it has
anything to do with logic. How many of these posters
recognize what “necessary and sufficient conditions”
are?

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By Gary Brumback, August 21, 2011 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Mr. Rose I think you are naive about the intent of big business in seeking to privatize and manage education in America. You contend that the intent is to ensure a skilled workforce. Nonsense. We basically have come full circle in business overreaching and exploitative involvement in America’s public education. The mission statement of tycoon John D. Rockville’s is revealing: “In our dreams, people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands.” So it is today. The aim of corporate privatization of public education is two-fold, reap profits and mold minds to accept what is really America’s own worse enemy, her corpocracy.

America’s current corpocracy began with the corporate revolution of the early 1970s. It was triggered by the soon to be US Supreme Court jusice, Lewis F. Powell. Anyone who doubts what the corporate intent was in blitzing the classrooms with self-serving propaganda should read Powell’s infamous battle plan he whipped off to the US Chamber of Commerce.

I leave you with this short tweet: Corpocracy wants 2 run & teach in once public schools Look 4 bsns suits @ the blackboard & 3 Rs replaced w/ 3 Bs, buy buy buy. I will add to this tweet that the most duplicitous aim of school privatization is to teach and preach jingoistic patriotism and the expectation and acceptance of constant, endless wars and military occupations all for the purpose of expanding and protecting markets and preserving political careers.

Gary Brumback
http://www.democracypowernow.com
@LibertyQuotient

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By Shenonymous, August 20, 2011 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

Well time marches on.  And we humans are capable of learning
which is the entire reason for teaching or having an education
system.  I just wonder if we really want to reclaim the past.  We
need to be conscious human beings who can see the error of
our ways, and take lessons from the past then restructure our
education system to work better.  We are certainly learning all
the pitfalls. But, yeah, whoever learns from history?  History is
good for reporting what had happened, even to be able to use
the elements of what happened to analyze why it happened, but
to change because of that analysis is a whole different thing because
other factors enter into possible action.  Resistance from others who
think differently, needed resources that are unavailable, and an
administration that can perceive problems and have the power to do
something about it and who then does it, are unavoidable components
that decide whether a program for change is possible and goes a long
way to determine its success.  Nothing on the order of a big change is
ever easy.  An absolutely, Jaime Alfonso Escalante Gutierrez was an
extraordinary teacher.  Teachers like him need to be cultivated.

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By JMD, August 20, 2011 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

Mike Rose:                  8/20/2011
    This is too little,too late.Nothing that once was,is going to be taken back or reclaimed.The changes that have occured and that are presently occuring in “our” entire system are structural and systemic.
    Sound bites,such as,“No child left behind,” or
“Race to the top,” are meaningless!Why are people outside the field of Education dictating its agenda?
    A once in a lifetime gift was present for all
to enjoy and learn from - a model,now departed.
    The late Jaime Escalante Gutierrez.
    Thanking you for this opportunity to comment -
    James M. deLaurier

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By Lafayette, August 19, 2011 at 2:57 am Link to this comment

In the OECD Program for International Student Assement (PISA), France scores about just as badly as the US - somewhere in the middle or just below the middle in a ranking of 35 countries that are participating in the program.

France, unlike the US has a monolithic school system that is run by its Minister of Education. After years of monolithic management, the present minister has had the bright idea to go visit the country that shows (in Europe) the best scores on the PISA exams, Finland.

Read about it here.

Now, if the head of the Department of Education in the US - in the same predicament - wanted to look at the best performer on the North American continent, it need only go to ... Canada!

What is she waiting for ... ?

I particularly like Finland’s method of finding Learning Problems quick and fixing them. In fact, a school system should have Pedagogical Psychologists doing the same sniffing around and assuring that the problem (whether native to the child or within the family is fixed).

Otherwise, I fear we shall be graduating nerds fit for flipping hamburgers in a fast-food outlet, which is not a terribly promising line of work. Like much in our society, our school system (seems to me) to have become lackadaisical - contenting itself to do the minimum.

Because, yes, of course, it is not being given the “means to to better”. No one is better able to measure the merit of that accusation than the head honcho at the Department of Education. Where there should be the financial means brought to bear upon the problems.

POST SCRIPTUM

Hilary Clinton went to Canada when she wanted to inform herself before proposing Health Care legislation during her husband"s tenure of office. She was, of course, shot out of the water. The legislation was too much like a “Public Option”, which menaced the business profits of BigInsurance.

Must we be so ignorant about educational methods as well?

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By Shenonymous, August 13, 2011 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

The state of American ejumakashun is such that the Disease of
Politics has infected it.  But there is an antidote:  Smarter teaching
strategies and daring to question the authority of politics.  But it
must be a unified effort since the authorities have to power to hire
and fire.  Having been in education for more than 30 years and a
professional at it for about 30 years, I’ve watched and concluded
that most of the ills of our education system is not the teachers! 
It is mostly the will of the school boards who determine who are
the administrators of the schools, the principles and assistants
who bend to the will of the boards, and who decide the content
and textbooks used.  Boards across the states differ widely and
although basic skills are mandated there is no consensus of
what ought to be taught or be concerned with. If teachers have
any blame it is that they are required to teach to the moment and
not to think long range beyond their own classes.

When I was in public school, 7th grade was my area and my favorite
as for me that was the grade where the most energy lies.  Just coming
out of childhood and into teenagehood, this age can be the most
incorrigible, unteachable group, hence the most challenging.  And if a
teacher does get through, these kids go away to 8th grade with some
good learning skills.

The problem is, without a doubt, that education has become a
political football and most of those in political power have not been in
the teaching trenches to know what it is like to work with 30-35 minds
each class and guide those minds not only to learn the content but to
learn how to discipline thinking so that learning becomes facilitated
instead of impeded by distraction.

I’m afraid the technology age provides too many of those distractions. 
But I also firmly believe we teachers need to ourselves learn to embrace
the new age of electronics and use them to the benefit of learning
instead of allowing them to interfere with learning.  Electronics are here
to stay and only get more sophisticated.  The teaching profession must
learn how to incorporate the new technologies to provide more enriched
learning experiences, learn how to use electronics for more than mere
entertainments way beyond the old calculator mentality.  Basic skills
must be taught that is a truism not even debatable but the enhancement
of electronic media can bring those basic skills into almost unlimited
frontiers of learning.  And we teachers also learn simultaneously.

I’ve now been teaching teachers in a teaching college of a university
for more than a decade and my colleagues and I have developed a
curriculum that involves much critical thinking and a non-linear way
to teach any subject.  As a reviewer of textbooks as well, I see that the
better textbooks all have a critical component in each and every lesson. 
If students are trained to open their minds to a variety of ways to solve
the puzzles presented in learning they will be “conditioned” in a healthy
way to translate that kind of thinking into their everyday life once out
of school.  To challenge what confronts them in their lives and not
become mere victims or slaves of a system.  I believe this kind of
society, one that can make informed decisions will eventually lead to
better governance as more responsive and responsible politicians are
selected at the local levels and advance through the ranks to the federal
level.  Not with any intention for contention, for you make very good
points, but on this I think the reverse, allenburgh: society reflects the
quality of our schools.  For those kids become the font out of which
later politicians materialize.  That is the social responsibility each
teacher must recognize, accept, and teach towards.

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By allenburgh, August 12, 2011 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment
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As the most accessible public institution and one
which most of us have experience with, how can our
public schools not reflect the society is which they
exist? That is to say fractious, divided, slightly
schizophrenic and more concerned with image than
substance.

I taught public school for ten years.  I loved the
kids, but had difficulty with the parents,
administrators and other teachers.  Standardized
testing is simply corporate welfare.  Feeling that
the tests have little or no relation to life,
students bubbled in the “C” choice for every question
and were done in ten minutes. 

Heterogeneous grouping is the biggest failing of our
schools.  Pretending that all students are the same
is simply unconscionable and unfair to all ability
levels.  I had 7th grade classes where students
reading ability ranged from 2nd grade to 11th grade. 
I called it the ‘shotgun’ approach to teaching.  Pull
the trigger and hit as many as you can.  It’s no way
to teach.  ‘Mainstreaming’ developmentally delayed
students, students with serious learning disabilities
serves no purpose other than being a ‘feel good’
story. 

The problems facing our schools are not
insurmountable. Let teachers teach but don’t also
require them to be parents, mentors, counselors, mind
readers, and advocates.  Consolidate districts so
that within a small geographic area you do not have
multiple districts with multiple highly paid superintendents and assistant superintendents.  Hold
teachers in the same stature as other professionals
and pay them accordingly.

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By Steven Earl Salmony, July 17, 2011 at 10:59 am Link to this comment
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Who cries out their outrageous and unsustainable demands that the status quo be maintained at any cost, come what may for the children?

Who keeps watch over the garish, fun-filled destruction of the world we borrow from the children without so much as whispering (much less speaking out loudly and clearly) about necessary changes toward sustainability?

The children’s future is our red-headed stepchild, I suppose.

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By Shenonymous, July 9, 2011 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

Schools funding and philosophy of teaching is back on the
political radar, but just barely.

Mr. Headly, according to the National Center for Education
Statistics, there were 98,817 public schools during the 2009-2010
school year.  There are 2363 4-year colleges, and 1721 2-year
colleges.  Have you checked these out for a lack of critical thinking
in the curriculum? 

I have taught critical thinking to teacher preparatory students for 10
years. There is a major effort to train more instructors of teacher prep
students. All of the textbooks for both colleges and public schools that
I review have critical thinking as a component of every lesson, from
math, natural and social sciences, as well as the arts.  I fail to see your
view in any realistic sense.

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By Dale Headley, July 7, 2011 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment
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School “reform” is a joke!  Even the best-intentioned efforts are nothing more
than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
  The American public school system was once the envy of the world.  In the
19th and first half of the 20th centuries, it provided workers to fuel the
industrial revolution.  America became an economic powerhouse because the
schools taught the skills needed for that endeavor.
  But it’s now the 21st century and our educational system is chugging along
still seeking to prepare students for bygone days.  We still judge our
educational system by how well it turns out industrial cogs.  Teachers are so
busy drumming “facts” into young heads that they are left with no time to teach
students how to LEARN. 
  There have NEVER been any studies that show a link between test grades in
school and success in the modern world.  But there have been many that have
shown a strong association between lifelong success and core attitudes, such
as responsibility, self-reliance, initiative, creativity, critical thinking, and
integrity, none of which have any relevance for getting good grades on report
cards, or high scores on standardized tests.  What our “reformers” should be
doing is devising paradigms that address these qualities.  But they are NOT! 
None of them! 
  It can be done.  Unfortunately, the powers that control the way schools are
run do NOT believe this. Michelle Rhee?  Give me a break!  She and her ken
believe that what teachers must do is test, test, and TEST, leaving little time to
TEACH - teach anything of lasting value. 
  Why is this important?  Just take a look at our last President.  America took a
nosedive in every respect because he was clearly a man devoid of any principle
other than enriching his friends and acquiring reflected glory.  He possessed
NONE of the attributes listed above.  Integrity?  You’ve got to be kidding.  We
currently have presidential candidates who regularly display - proudly - their
utter ignorance.  They are products of an educational system that promotes
ignorance.
  What our country needs more than anything else today is critical thinkers.  But
that is utterly lacking in any of our schools.  Why?  Because critical thinkers
aren’t easily influenced by charlatans and demagogues; and they’re the people
who are running this country.  The biggest lie they tell in our schools is that
America is a democracy.  A lot of hooey!  We are a plutocracy of wealth - a
kleptocracy, if you will.  Rich people run America and they do it partly through
maintaining an educational system that serves their greedy ambitions.  Most
Americans spend much of their money on useless and even dangerous products
because they do not possess the critical thinking skills to adequately evaluate
advertising on TV.  The country is saddled with a dysfunctional Congress.  Why?
because most Americans were not taught the ability to recognize political ads
for the outright lies they are. And this is not just elementary and secondary
schools.  How many of our colleges and universities offer courses, or even
classes on how to think?  Hardly any.
  There was a time, mainly in the 60’s, when education reformers were making
great headway in defining what true education could and should be.  But they
were ultimately drowned out by ignoramuses on talk radio who were nothing
more than mouthpieces for the corporate powers, which wanted only for the
schools to turn out obedient employees.  And today, that is what our
educational system is, a factory for turning out worker drones (and tea
partiers).  That’s what everyone in decision-making authority in education is
competing to provide.  The bottom line: all of this back and forth about how
America’s schools need to be fixed is nothing but a shell game.  Nobody who is
truly interested in meaningful education is being listened to.  It’s all about
rearranging deck chairs.

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By Paul Fernhout, June 30, 2011 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment
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I’ve written several things about the education crisis, including suggesting just giving the money to the parents directly to spend in the free market:
  http://www.pdfernhout.net/towards-a-post-scarcity-new-york-state-of-mind.html
and talking about why educational technology has made schools obsolete:
  http://patapata.sourceforge.net/WhyEducationalTechnologyHasFailedSchools.html

Please read NYS Teacher of the Year John Taylor Gatto and John Holt and see “The War on Kids”.

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By Psychobabbler, June 29, 2011 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

I remember now (not then) as a CHILD being measured for the first time on a scale that rewards the most pushy people.

I knew then like we all did that something was wrong.

I have been to public and private/private christian schools.

My economics teacher in “high” school was the dad of one of the football players and he couldn’t shut up about the next football game that nobody cared about constantly.

Correction: The next football game was (in fact) more interesting than economics because he presented it that way.

I had a math teacher that showed videos from 10 years prior of teachers teaching.

Could a system that rewards people based on criteria be exclusionary?

YES

A persons potential (perceived) does not move units in America, which gives some asshole with a bright idea enough reason to discard them.

The best way that we can all push back (considering that politics is infested with it) is to ignore them.

I’ve learned more from looking around then anything that some instructions have to offer.

Nobody will ever have the ability to analyze a human without a million errors (at least).

The worst thing that a country could do is deprive itself of the potential of every person.

The problem is that we all exist in a situation where we are all in competition with each other.

There will never be any real unity in a scenario like this.

CONSTANT FRICTION.

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By litlpeep, June 24, 2011 at 12:42 am Link to this comment

Mike Rose, I admire your work.  You write with a sensibility anchored in the reality one can only see with some attention to things other that the graffiti-laden walls inside his/her own head.

I wish I could put faith in reason coming up with a national, or even a local solution to the education and training and inculcation challenges we face.  Alas, my locale, like many, perhaps all others on this continental part of the US, look to the feds to do what they have never done well, and only done with mediocrity if at all.

Unfortunately for me, I cannot see how the US will be put back together.

It fell apart sometime in the last century, though I’m not sure just when.  The unraveling was institutionalized during Truman’s watch, and since then, every watchman has been content to fuel the unraveling.

We no longer have any national deliberations; we have a growing host of factions, some factions mushrooming up and shriveling faster than a morel.  Most of the factions that have endured are hopelessly lost in their own homeostatic self-referential “reality” perceptions.  One outstanding example: we have a growing, professionally guided, embarrassingly lucrative misinformation industry; another example: we have an inattentive political class loping along behind dizzy oligarchs/kleptocrats while directing staffers to take notes on the dizzy wisdom spewed from wealth-besotted mouths for legislative agenda-filling.

Sometimes I think maybe we still have a president in speech-giving moments, but that is not a reliable perception, because the speeches have so little to do with policy or challenges we actually face.  Maybe he is nothing more than a Madison Avenue script reader.

The Supremely Supercilious Judiciary has long since abandoned intelligible judgment.  Even lawyers now routinely call the judicial system a crap shoot.

This is not meant to suggest we voters are altogether sensible in our choices at the booth.  Out education combined with the misinformation industry years ago to sell us junk addictions for minds, bodies, souls, and whatever else we could muster while slinking through the schoolhouse days.

But, then, who knows who determines the numbers, or how they do, swept from those booths for public consumption? Would it even matter if we were all miraculously granted the world’s most divinely inspired educations?  If so, how?

Have I lost faith?

Only in what I cannot discern: a US public deliberation that engages anything remotely akin to policy formulation.  Yes, you are talking about what an education might achieve, IF the deliberations were sustainable.

It seems pure vanity to suppose the policy wonks care one whit what the nation needed before it imploded, or that it imploded, or that it may or may not be too late to give it rebirth.  They have all those notes to collate into legislation on behalf of the dizzy oligarchs/kleptocrats.

And the script reader in chief has a camera to pose before for practicing the next script reading.

The show must go on.

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By drbhelthi, June 23, 2011 at 2:13 am Link to this comment

“Peasant kids”

Thirty-five years ago, when this idea came to mind, I immediately
thought of children in countries such as Romania, etc. whose parents
“lived off the land,” more or less, with no well-defined income.

Currently, I tend to think, increasingly, of children in the lower
three socio-economic strata of the U.S.A.  If GHWBushSr policies
continue as at present, six months after the 2012 U.S. presidential
election, Alba Edwards S.E.S. division will require revision. 

The current six S.E.S. can be reduced to three; at a maximum.

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By Shenonymous, June 22, 2011 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know anyone who would laugh at peasant kids, and I don’t
know anyone who knows any peasant kids.  Self-reliance is a lofty
goal, as Emerson so well wrote.  Health and happiness are key
ingredients to a life worth living.  And that is a crucial key to a
successful life, to find it worth living.  What is concealed is the best
way to educate happy and healthy self-reliance in children when in
fact a staggering number of their parents are not self-reliant but are
dependent imbeciles.  Shall the federal government be responsible to
have children learn self-reliance.  Or the sovereign state?  What would
the curriculum be like?  Would school boards approve it?  A nice
sentiment though.  I just happen to live in the reality that it will take
more than wishful thinking.

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By drbhelthi, June 22, 2011 at 2:15 am Link to this comment

“We’re like frogs in the pot of water that’s getting hotter and hotter, and we’re still afraid to even discuss the problem in its base form, even while we watch public schools in the US being destroyed,- - “  Rudolfo, May 20 at 6:50 pm

Having served in Title I ESEA schools, standard public schools and having taught at the university level, I find many ideas of Mike Rose to be applicable.  Also, I find the summary of Rudolfo to be quite reasonably accurate. In retrospect, thirty to twenty-five years later, I can make several observations. 

Title I schools, with Negroid pupils, Negroid administrators and Negroid counsellors had fewer “social interaction” problems than schools with a mixture of Caucasoid and Negroid pupils.  Of course, puberty added complexities that were not generally present in elementary school, regardless of racial mixture.  It was also my observation that standard middle and high schools, with a mixture of Negroid andCaucasoid administrators and counsellors, had fewer conflicts of a racial nature than similar schools with only Caucasoid administrators and counsellors.  I tend to attribute this factor to the social-racial background of Negroid pupils, and their ability to identify with the administration – and vice-versa.  Personality types of administrators, teachers and counsellors seemed to me to be of more value than the name of the university from which staff members graduated.  Which, reflects on social upbringing basically, within ones family, regardless of the college or university of attendance.  The alteration in educational policies and the subversion of American history, by USGOV leaders at the national level, has added an additional complexity to grade-school, public education in the USA.

The international-level observations of hogorina are generally evident in extra-U.S. coverage of international news.  Operating a computer cubicle in an AIPAC, C.I.A., NSA, NASA, FEMA, Republican, Democrat, USGOV or USMilitary office setting, or the Bush ranch in Texas, automatically provides one with tunnel vision, tuned to the theme of the office of location.  Obviously, neither Mike Rose, hogorina nor Rudolfo operate from such a cubicle.

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By bahmi, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 am Link to this comment
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I saw it all here. I have never, ever been a party to what happened in this blog.  Hogorina is, in a sense, a troll and I’d wager his lousy spelling is DELIBERATE. He wants attention…..he’s hungry for somebody to appreciate his learnin’, whatever it is he’s learned. Yet, whatever this construct known as hogorina is, I identify with much of what he says.  The country reels in deep doodoo and has for years.  Capitalism is raping us, politics is a farce, the American public is a cesspool whereby people are losing hope at a rapid rate.  Rapid comes from the root, rape, by the way. We are being raped here by those with the money and the power. 911 is a joke, a created crisis and if you aren’t a denier, I’d call you a damn fool. Read Joe Bageant’s “Rainbow Pie”. Joe was a great but late blooming observer/chronicler of many aspects of class culture in the country and his other book, “Deer Hunting with Jesus” was touching and brilliant. Hogorina is a troll, yes, but also somebody who has made some mighty good observations. While impossibly verbose, unnecessarily verbose, he bears food for thought. To think I was witness to this Hubristic Hogorina HorsePuckey overwhelms me but humbles me no end.What was the question anyway?

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By EmileZ, May 30, 2011 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

Whenever I think I am commenting too much or perhaps going too far I look to Shenonymous for inspiration.

You can never be long-winded enough Shenonymous you sweetie, not like Michelle Rhee, she is a real sourpuss (I didn’t say it), or Arnie Duncan, he is… well he is just plain dumb as a post.

Hey folks!!!

Check out this awesome link!!!

http://www.vimeo.com/18900900

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By ghostcommander, May 20, 2011 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

Magnet schools have a much better record than charter schools. Charter schools on average do not do better than public schools

There is a lot of corruption involved in charter schools. Just type into your search bar-“Charter school Corruption.”

Business’ that are involved in charter schools get a very large tax deduction.

Charter schools take money away from public schools.

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By Rudolfo, May 20, 2011 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

@KrisWilliamson

“Yet another piece of opinion about education in America that fails to illuminate a solution because it doesn’t address the problem.”

So far, so good.

“The problem is not institutional [the schools or teachers or budgets]; it’s social [the households that American students come out of].”

You fail to address the problem as well, but you’re getting closer.  Why not say the truth that cannot be said in the US, integration has destroyed the US school system.  The school system now has way too many students that cannot be educated, and what’s worse, they cannot be controlled.  And that’s not all, there is also constant animosity between races in the schools to the point where many schools are patrolled by armed guards and many students fear for their physical safety.  We’re like frogs in the pot of water that’s getting hotter and hotter, and we’re still afraid to even discuss the problem in its base form, even while we watch public schools in the US being destroyed, and the very concept of public education called into question.

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By Kris Williamson, May 12, 2011 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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Yet another piece of opinion about education in America that fails to illuminate a solution because it doesn’t address the problem. The problem is not institutional [the schools or teachers or budgets]; it’s social [the households that American students come out of].

Concede for me a few things: There are as there have always been exceptional students - smart and motivated for whatever reason to succeed in school. There are and always will be poor performing kids - saddled with lower intellect or characteristics not suited to do well in the typical school environment.  So what we’re talking is all those kids in between who 50 years ago were collectively performing far better in school than kids today. 

I’m going to bet you can go to just about any school district in this country and find, year after year, graduating seniors who got their entire education within the same particular chain of schools who are fully qualified to go on and succeed in college. If that happened for those students, the opportunity to do as well was almost certainly available to every student who walked into those same schools.  I was never in a school or met a teacher who only wanted some of their students to succeed, who didn’t, instead, want all of them to succeed. There’s your evidence that the problem is not with the institution.

So why did all those other kids not succeed. The subject matter hasn’t changed.  Algebra and proper English grammar are no more difficult to get a basic mastery over today than it was a century ago.  The problem is simple - that group of kids in the middle simply aren’t applying themselves or working as hard as that same segment of kids did 40, 50 years ago. They just aren’t. 

And teachers know this. They aren’t as effective because they aren’t getting the support in American households that they got back then. Teachers did okay years ago, but they weren’t exceptionally well-paid. But they had a much different social climate. Today teachers have got kids with backpacks full of gadgets [and other worse things] to distract them throughout the day. They come from single parent homes where there are not enough resources of time and energy to focus on exactly the effort a child should be making both scholastically and socially.  Teachers work in an environment where vigilance against the destructiveness of lawsuits has them ever more handicapped in the ability to apply standards and expectations of performance and conduct.

Until we face this reality and begin to address these facts, all this other talk is wasted words.

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By traditional american democrat, May 11, 2011 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment
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Longer school days
Longer school year
Better teachers (prestige, recognition, $)
More support from parents (setting higher expectations, encouraging homework,
etc)
An economy that provides jobs for Americans

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By Shenonymous, April 3, 2011 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

“Where did the Wisconsin Governor get his HS-diploma?”

Check out the Wikipedia Entry on Scott Walker, the Early life,
education and career section.  After two weeks of leadership training
sponsored by the American Legion, as a teenager he decided politics
was his thing.  But he was a college drop out.

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By Lafayette, April 3, 2011 at 12:37 am Link to this comment

SAT SCORES BY STATE

Consider also the improvement SAT info-graphic for the decade 1998/2008.

FOOTNOTE

Where did the Wisconsin Governor get his HS-diploma?

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By RenZo, April 1, 2011 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

Education should be primarily designed to educate citizens and workers. Not just wreedin, writin, and writhmetic, but also civics(govt,taxes,society,voting), history, parenting, consuming(shopping & financing incl credit borrowing banking mortgages etc), and health to name a few. Then also it would benefit society and our country and the world greatly if such invaluable intangibles as compassion, helping, participating, sharing, and liking yourself a little were included since so many families and ‘churches’ seem not to care about these essential values anymore (if they ever did). “History” , as a scholastic endeavor, should include the truth about American genocide, slavery and capitalism; the truth about the wars of conquest and imperialism; and the truth about the structure of government in this nation (oligarchy, not democracy). Democracy requires engaged, aware and educable people - but without a decent education which teaches decision making and critical thinking - there will be no democracy.

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By hogorina, March 24, 2011 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment
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HE PHILOSOPHY OF INVITING WAR
EUGENE ROBINSON A MASTER UNRAVELING POLITICAL
INTRIGUE

IN SEARCHING THROUGH SEVERAL WEB SITES ON LIBYA, ONE
COMES TO THE CONCLUSION THAT EUGENE ROBINSON ,
JOURNALISTS, HAS A HANDLE ON A SITUATION THAT SEEMS
TO BAFFLE MANY, AS TO THE INVASION OF A REPUBLIC THAT
BEFORE HAND HAD REMAINED ALOOF FROM CONTROL BY
WESTERN BLOCK ALLIES IN FORCING PSEUDO DEMOCRACY ON A
PEOPLE UNDER QUADAHI FOR FORTY THREE YEARS. ALL OF A
SUDDEN, PRESIDENT OBAMA, BECOMES A WAR MONGERER IN
TRYING TO RESHUFFLE A SPECIFIC PEOLE’S WAY OF LIFE
VIA MAKING BATTLE ON A THIRD WORLD DICTATORSHIP, IN
HARBORING UNSUBSCRIBED AND ULTERIOR REASONS. THE MOOT
QUESTION—-WHY!

IN A MEASURE, SECRETARY OF STATE, HILLARY CLINTON, IS
ON STAGE DEMANDING THAT QUADAHI KNEEL DOWN AND ACCEPT
AMERICA’S IMPERIALISTIC INTENTIONS TO REORGANIZE
SPECIFIC EASTERN WORLD NATIONS INTO A COLLECTIVE TOOL
OF GLOBALIZED INCIPIENT SOCIALISM, AND THE BRIDE
GROOM OF BOLSHEVISM!

INTERFERING WITH THE AFFAIIRS OF AN ALIEN NATION
THROUGH GUN BOAT DEPLOMACY TIED TO POLITICAL
PHILOSOPHIES WITH PHONY BENEVALENTS OF MILITARY
INTRUSION WITH OUT CONGRESSIONAL AFFIRMATION
DEMONSTRATES THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS CONTROLLED
BY LOCAL POLITICAL INVESTMENTS, BEING ALLIED WITH
WALL STREET AND A RELIGIOUS SPEARHEAD OF WHICH, LIKE
AN OCTOPUS, WITH ITS TENTICLES REACHING INTO
UNIVERSAL INCLINATIONS IN ORDER TO FORCE PSEUDO
DEMOCRACY UPON INNOCENT THIRD WORLD NATIONS INTO ITS
NET OF SO-CALLED CHRISTIANISED USURPATION BACKED UP
WITH HOLY WRIT AND STINGER ROCKETS.

YES, OUR STATE DEPARTMENT HUMPERS ACT LIKE A DRUNKEN
ROBOTS ON A BINGE OF ALCOHOL AND COCAINE, IN ACTING
AS A FRONT FOR INSIDER AGENTS OF UNKNOWN SPIRITUAL
INTRIQUE, IN RESIDERNCE ON OUR NATIONAL GROUND IN
DISREGARDING THE PRESIDENTCY AND CONGRESS AS TO THE
NATURE OF INVADING ANY COUNTRY IN LISTENING TO FOOLS
THAT INVADE THIRD WORLD DICTATORSHIPS WITH LATCHLETS
AND VALISES STACKED WITH BRIEFS IN MARRYING THE DEVIL
FOR THE TITLE OF AMBASSADOR AT LARGE. THESE
SYCOPHANTS BEING WIRED TO SERVE UNSEEN MASTERS IN
NATIONAL GOVERNMENT, OF WHOM WOULD TEACH SATAN, THEIR
MASTER, TRICKS OF THE TRADE. THE INVASION OF LIBYA
WAS A MASTER STROKE OF IGNORANCE BY MISLED
SCOUNDFRELS, OF WHOM HAVE NEEDLED THEIR WAY INTO
NATIONAL GOVERNMENT, IN ORDER TO PURPOSELY MISDIRECT
A NATION’S MOVING INTO UNIVERSAL SOCIALISM, IN
PRETENDING TO FREE COMMIE FED MOBS FROM THE ABSOLUTE
CONTROL OF DICTATORSHIPS THAT NESTLE A DEEP SEATED
HATRED FOR LIBERALISM’S PSEUDO DEMOCRACY.

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By hogorina, March 23, 2011 at 12:20 am Link to this comment
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THE RISE AND FALL OF A PSEUDO REPUBLICAN DEMOCRACY

The future plans for our Republic has been well lain.
Eventually­, we will have three distinct levels of
national society. The unknown ruling element will
remain intact. Too, the unshakable middle class will
stay afloat. As to the thinning, the slow climbers
into the middle class will be completely eliminated­.
This will leave a national mob under the nation wide
police state, as it expands today. All state and
federal employees will receive the highest pay, in
order to control them. Our Republic will be
reconstruc­ted, as to the have and those who have
nothing but soup lines. Artificial inflation plus the
profession­s striving from Medicare recipients will
dwindle, while the undesirabl­es are slowly fed
poisoned food and the lack of medical care. A
standing military will be well fed and clothed. This
new dictator ship will be absolutely merciless. And
the circus will proceed on its well planned events in
crucifying any press club that fails to buckle down
under physical and mental slavery!

Absolutely, Libya hates pseudo democracy, as now
being implicated into the main stream of political
life within the western world. Let the universal
socializing financial moguls search for another
method in destabalizing Alien goverments. This weapon
has failed in present day Libya, The very roots of
the global schemers are not material again. At the
very roots is a body of global conflict imbedded with
religious philosophies to gain absolute control over
the hearts and souls of mankind. This is coming to a
head within America. Multiple Gods on both hemesheres
are battling for an upper level on a spiritual totem
pole, that lesser ones must bow and pay homage to.
Let the so-called trirelgious organisms, Israelites,
fight it out between them selves. Monsters and vipers
stay within their own lairs!

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By Tom Edgar, March 21, 2011 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

Virginia.  Schooling is, or should be, about teaching you how to learn or think, but should, at least give you the basics of the three R’s.

Engineering is, fortunately, mainly concerned with the Arithmetic end of the R’s,  as spelling certainly isn’t your forte, which only emphasises the paucity of education in the U S A. 

This has certainly brought the site back on to the course of “Education” and the lack of it; from what I read, the growth of Republican representation in the various American Governments will now lead to an even poorer state of the Union, educationally.

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By Virginia Natwick, March 21, 2011 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment
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I feel what is happening to the public schools is by and large distructive. As an engineer who felt my eduction confining. I really learned to think only after I broadend my eduction.

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By hogorina, March 17, 2011 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment
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Tom: Fluoridated water has done a good job on
metaphysics.

MURDER BY INJECTION AND FLOURIDATED WATER

People in America should scream out loud, when forced
into unexplained vaccinations. Most citizens really
believe that The American Medical Association has a
conscious. It’s actual claim to past history displays
a counter productivity, as to the nation’s health. In
essence, this system has been slow for decades, in
warning millions over the years of death by
injection. We should not crowd in against this
incorporated nest of shielding their associated
investors, governmental too, in singling out one fox
alone, hanging out, collectively, with the nation’s
pharmaceutical racketeers. The scales of justice is
imbalanced according to the present. Without this
conglomeration of professional pill rollers, is to
ally them with the notorious needle injection without
really making it clear, as to unsubstantial
information, is shoved into hundreds of investor’s
bank accounts, with little care as to millions who
have died, and millions on the way, Less we forget
Anthrax, fluoride, aids,
measles, chicken pox, chlorine and chemically loaded
soft drinks and polluted air! What harm should a few
needles do, or rather the fluid dispensed through
controlled ignorance and its fellow traveler,
FLOURIDE.

Wow, the national news media are announcing that
flouride damages teeth in people and letting the
flouride issue lay. THIS IS THE MOTHER OF ALL LAIES!
Flouride is a by-product of aluminum. The I.G.
chemical Corporation in Berlin manufactured this
product during the years of WW11. Flouride is one of
most dangerous chemicals on earth. Swallowing this
chemical for one year damages the brain. Scientific
investigation has proven that this product also will
lobotmise any and all of whom takes flouride by way
of tooth paste, or drinking water, actually turning
innocent people into politically automated robots. In
other words, a mobs of docile partakers through
commercial products. There is a warning on all tooth
paste to beware of a child injesting the least bit in
swallowing, if so, rush child to emergency room. And,
now, this mythod of public poisoning is being played
down that only teeth damage will occur.

Substanually, palming off the chemical flouride into
the commercial field is in the control of merciless
and corrupt investors for monetary gain. While WW11
was going on, specific stock owners had opened the
doors for every low-life investor of whom would have
sold their mother for less than nothing. Nationa
wide, small town political whores, ( gangsters ) are
being bribed to flouride water systems, This chemical
will kill ocean life and the earth. So, a way was to
put it into water supplies.. This is not a conspiracy
nor a plot against humanity; this is strickly a
business as business takes place nation wide.

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By Tom Edgar, March 17, 2011 at 2:18 am Link to this comment

Miss Piglet.

You keep saying that you are here to learn, which is obviously a lie, because you then persist in posting gobbledygook, trying to impose your convoluted and unimpressive opinions in areas not relevant to Education, of which you have, evidently, very little.

It is not only your spelling that is so obviously at fault, to me,  but is accompanied by an even poorer ability to either write or think.

Either shut up and go away, shut up and learn, or attempt to contribute an intelligent observation, something I have my doubts is within your capabilities.

To my reasonably felt certainty, I think you are but a “Troll”.  Why “She” and I have risen to the bait I suspect was occasioned by feelings of sympathy for the disadvantaged, and maybe, annoyance at crass ignorance, plus a desire to help the intellectually handicapped. My confession is that, in this instance, we have failed miserably. But you can’t sculpt in Balsa Wood.

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By hogorina, March 16, 2011 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment
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JOURNALISTS ARE COMPELLED TO EAT CROW WITH
SUBSCRIBERS———more so in the field of EDUCATION!

THE TERROR OF DISREGARDING FREE SPEECH IS SELF-
IMPLANTED TREASON !
America is now being driven into a well planned
global depression, not a period of specific
recessions. Office appointed political whores,
collectively, kneel down to clan of international
banksters, with combined cultures, and of ethnic
ancestry. This mysterious empire is not at all
absolutely interested in monetary gain. Their chief
operation is to move into select capitalistic
nations, of global influence, in spreading the gospel
of pseudo-socialism, and all isms that various people
latch onto in order to maintain a preconceived idea
of existing from the womb too the tomb. As this
method has been used to destabilize all Third Word
countries, as stepping stones into the heart and
souls of any Republic not previously sanctioned as an
instrument of their web. AMERICA IS TO BE
REGIMENTATED WITH THE LOSS OF FREE SPEECH ! Thus the
First Amendment to the Constitution must be voided.

With out a doubt, our Republican/Democratic political
machine must become divided, splintered and totally
plundered, as though an unseen hand of a supposed
Luciferian influence has full control. As before
stated, materialistic greediness is only a means to
an end. To openly, steal, rob and plunder a nation, (
AMERICA ), is simply to imply that treason is being
committed in the highest echelons of national
government.

Our Republic has been transformed into a national
(METROPOLITAN SEWER ). aiding in this inward
destruction. This is a massive flood of well-trained
revolutionaries, as trained Marxists, with the cry of
proletarians of the world unite. Marxism is the Bible
of mobocracy in our country, whether it is of
ignorance, or subtly instilled, via a national commie
machine of liberalized journalistic prostitution. The
revamping of public opinion is press orientated far
beyond comprehension.

Yes, indeed, every spiel of isms that lead to the
path of national socialism are fed to innocent
citizens of impaired vision, that usually end up with
mob intellect. And for all others of whom are aware
as to the changing tide of thought in difficult
times, are being freely fleeced of their substance by
planting the ever flippant line of thought in
difficult times, by planned inflation. Most are
innocently seduced via misinformed governmental
financial disclosure, are led astray being duped and
ignorantly misled, rail roaded into every concept of
approaching socialism, by a some what national
controlled media. PRESENTLY, AMERICA IS POLITICALLY
DOOMED, SOCIALLY WAY- LAID AND MENTALLY HIJACKED.

The Southern United States is under Marxists
reconstruction — no question about the Northern
hemisphere. The simple-minded are loaded down with
commie inspired news concealing liberalism’s path
through the Bible belt of the United States. Working
people are hammered down with every day insignificant
trifles of news-hounding. Most of all, no child or
women are safe on the streets. Police protection, as
allied with SWAT and FEMA are more prone to protect
commercial interests alone. All school children need
more protection, and proper education to sustain them
through life. Socialism is not the answer. Hard work
and self-esteem is the very roots of individual
freedom.

# (1)

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By gundersonrogers, March 16, 2011 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

“...debate about the particulars of school reform…”“
“...no one in power is asking the more fundamental questions like: What is the purpose of education in a democracy, and are our reforms enhancing—or possibly restricting—that purpose?”

Dr. Rose,
Also important is that virtually no one asks whether reform is even necessary. Most education reform discussions even fail to inquiry about the degree of reform needed, or in what particular areas education requires improvement.

I would suggest that it is important to recall that professional ed researchers, professors David Berliner and Bruce Biddle each accepted on faith the calls for reform in the 1980s—until they did the research, and found that though justice and civil rights issues around class and language acquisition were real, that basically public schooling in the US had never been better! (ref: The Manufactured Crisis)

I would suggest that a new professional analysis of substance is again called for.

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By Hogorina, March 15, 2011 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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Shenonymous
Sorry as to your disregard towards facing prevalent
truths, of which have disarmed your natural ability
to lead others into some sort of dialectable dribble,
into the mid-stream of liberalism. There is nothing
wrong with professed liberalism, as long as one’s
heart is in place. I firmly believe that you are
honest in thought, but like millions of people have
become discouraged with our native system being
propounded upon the theory that cheating and
swindling is a positive manner, for a nation to
survive. Tom nails me as a bad speller and that is
true. However, I will listen to educated people and
gain knowledge, for my own survival. Why drop a
potato when it’s ready for consumption! Besides, as a
hog I need troughs to slop in and you and Tom are
feeding me well. I’m ready for the market. Please
have a nice day!

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By Shenonymous, March 15, 2011 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

Gibbering to oneself in a corner is a clue to a decrepit state of mind. 
The single-person sitcom with one actor (hogarina) unable to write
anything remotely intelligent and two in the audience (Tom Edgar
and Shenonymous) who have taken it upon themselves, in a manner
of speaking, to defend this forum having felt it had some dialectic
worth until the Orwellian hogarina appeared to conceitedly usurp
it in a peculiar attempt to transform what was a decent discussion
about the state of education into a personal soap box to rant
claptrap as if it attained to some rational sentiments about the state
of politics around the Farm (the country) but in truth descended into
an inarticulate pile of quasi-political and appropriately called gaseous
hogwash. 

M’thinks, hogarina, you are an escapee from a looney bin, either real or
imagined, and my only hope is that you are rounded up and put back
in.  Try to find some peace.  So long.  Nice chatting with you Tom,
maybe on some other forum we can exchange ideas once again, I’m
deserting this sinking ship.  What has needed to be said about
education has been said anyway and is now archived in the Truthdig
files.  No sense in getting another drop of hog piss in the face.  Unable
to use another constructive adjective without repeating my self, and
with a flourish, adieu.

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By Tom Edgar, March 15, 2011 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

Hogging the site with Yakkety Yak.
The way I interpret this is. You are saying we are to be taken over by a combined Fascist/Marxist/Capitalist cabal. That covers all the bases. I guess a God, of some sort, just struck out.

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By Hogorina, March 14, 2011 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment
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THE TERROR OF DISREGARDING FREE SPEECH IS SELF-
IMPLANTED TREASON ! WRECKING UNIONS IS A BEGINNING!

America is now being driven into a well planned
global depression, not a period of specific
recessions. Office appointed political whores,
collectively, kneel down to a , or clan of
international banksters with combined cultures, and
of ethnic ancestry. This mysterious empire is not at
all absolutely interested in monetary gain. Their
chief operation is to move into select capitalistic
nations, of global influence, in spreading the gospel
of pseudo-socialism, and all isms that various people
latch onto in order to maintain a preconceived idea
of existing from the womb too the tomb. As this
method has been used to destabilize all Third Word
countries, as steping stones into the heart and souls
of any Republic not previously sanctioned as an
instrument of their web. AMERICA IS TO BE
REGIMENTATED WITH THE LOSS OF FREE SPEECH ! Thus the
First Amendment to the Constitution must be voided.

With out a doubt, our Republican/Democratic political
machine must become divided, splintered and totally
plundered, as though an unseen hand of a supposed
Luciferian influence has full control. As before
stated, materialistic greediness is only a means to
an end. To openly, steal, rob and plunder a nation, (
AMERICA ), is simply to imply that treason is being
committed in the highest
eschelons of national government. Our Republic has
been transformed into a national (METROPOLITAN SEWER
). Aiding in this inward destruction is the massive
flood of well-trained revolutionaries, as post neo
Marxists with the cry of proletarians of the world
unite. Marxism is the bible of mobocracy in our
country, whether it is of ignorance or subtly
instilled, via a national commie machine of
liberalized journalistic prostitution. The revamping
of public opinion is press orientated far beyond
comprehension.

Yes, indeed, every spiel of isms that lead to the
path of national socialism are fed to innocent
citizens of impaired vision, that usually end up with
mob intellect. And for all others of whom are aware
as to the changing tide of thought in difficult
times, are being freely fleeced of their substance by
planting the ever flippant line of thought in
difficult times, by planned inflation. Most are
innocently seduced via misinformed governmental
financial disclosure, are led astray being duped and
ignorantly misled, rail roaded into every concept of
approaching socialism, by a some what national
controlled media. PRESENTLY, AMERICA IS POLITICALLY
DOOMED, SOCIALLY WAY LAID AND MENTALLY HIJACKED.

Hogorina

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By Tom Edgar, March 12, 2011 at 8:08 pm Link to this comment

Oh Roy. Sounds just like an old time Workers Union basher to me.  Why not turn your attention to those other Unions?  Chambers of Commerce, Business, Manufacturers,  Associations of Medical Practitioners, Lawyers, Real Estate,Bankers, Guilds of Architects and Engineers.  All are Unions with other names along with the more secretive unnamed Associations and Cartels of the mega wealthy individuals, and Corporations.

Each and every one is there, as are the Unions, to protect the interests and advance the standing of their members.  Somehow it is only the “Workers” who shouldn’t be exercising the right to organise, protect and improve their employment conditions.
Somehow it is only Teachers who should be penalised for not performing to your designated standards of excellence. Now start doing the same for the Bankers and their Association members.

My brother was an on the job Union Rep & Safety Officer.  The Union Secretary arrived from Head Office telling Jack to call all the men out on strike as four members had been summarily dismissed. Jack said.“Get back to the Capital,the Boss sacked them on MY recommendation, all of them were a danger to themselves and the other men, after drinking alcohol during the lunch break. (They were scaffolders).  Maybe the Teachers themselves should be the deciding factor, but even that leaves it open to personal, positive or negative, prejudices and biases. I can just see people being dismissed because their religious, political or lifestyle preferences are not deemed to be acceptable.

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By Shenonymous, March 12, 2011 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

“schools can’t improve until reformers confront the deadly
consequences of the power that teachers’ unions wield over a
monopolistic industry, not only through contracts but also through
the unions’ influence on the elected officials who regulate the
education industry.” 

Interesting argument that also applies to the untold billions the
corporate world invests in Republican politicians who refuse to fund
education properly from local districts to state funding to federal
funding in this country.  When corporations are stopped from wielding
their monopolistic financial death hold on this country, maybe teachers
will be able to be treated fairly by the governments that hire them, then
powerful unions would not be required. All that teachers have received
via union intervention was agreed to by the state and local governments
that employ them.  There has not been a teacher strike for decades.

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By call me roy, March 12, 2011 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

Teachers Unions
How Teachers’ Unions Handcuff Schools
Sol Stern
When Tracey Bailey received the National Teacher of the Year Award from President Clinton in a festive Rose Garden ceremony in 1993, American Federation of Teachers chief Albert Shanker called to say how pleased he was that a union member had won this prestigious honor. But Bailey, a high school science teacher from Florida, is an AFT member no more. Today he believes that the big teachers’ unions are a key reason for the failure of American public education, part of the problem rather than the solution. The unions, he thinks, are just “special interests protecting the status quo,” pillars of “a system that too often rewards mediocrity and incompetence.” Such a system, he says, “can’t succeed.”
Bailey is right. In the final analysis, no school reform can accomplish much if it does not focus on the quality of the basic unit of education—that human interaction between an adult and a group of children that we call teaching. The big teachers’ unions, through the straitjacket of work rules that their contracts impose, inexorably subvert that fundamental encounter. These contracts structure the individual teacher’s job in ways that offer him or her no incentives for excellence in the classroom—indeed, that perversely reward failure.
So as Tracey Bailey and many other dedicated teachers have learned, schools can’t improve until reformers confront the deadly consequences of the power that teachers’ unions wield over a monopolistic industry, not only through contracts but also through the unions’ influence on the elected officials who regulate the education industry. Until then, any reform—whether more money for the schools or smaller classes or high national standards or charter schools—will get short-circuited from the very outset.
Trade unionism is a recent development in public education. During the first 100 years of taxpayer-funded public schools, teachers had no collective bargaining rights, though many enjoyed civil-service protection. While the public schools made steady progress during those years, it’s indisputable that teachers were underpaid and often were moved around like interchangeable parts in a one-size-fits-all system. Many teachers, along with principals and other administrators, belonged to a staid professional organization called the National Education Association, to which the words “unionism” and “strike” were anathema.Inevitably, teachers working in a factory-style system figured they might as well organize themselves into factory-style unions. The big breakthrough came in New York City in 1961, when the United Federation of Teachers (UFT), led by a charismatic high school math teacher named Albert Shanker—whose recent death deprived the teachers’ unions of one of the towering figures in the American labor movement—went on strike and won the right to bargain for all city teachers. Though Shanker insisted that the struggle was about more than mere bread-and-butter issues—that it was also about improving the quality of public education and strengthening democracy—the contract the UFT signed with the New York City Board of Education nevertheless reflected the traditional industrial model. It set up uniform pay scales and seniority rights for teachers, limited their classroom hours, and required new teachers to be automatically enrolled in the union and have their dues deducted from their paychecks.
Following this example, the once conservative NEA also veered toward militant trade unionism. By the mid-seventies it had a majority of the nation’s teachers covered by collective bargaining agreements. Now the NEA and the AFT, the national parent body of New York’s UFT, together represent more than 3 million school employees, including 80 percent of the nation’s 3 million public school teachers.

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By call me roy, March 12, 2011 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

How much money does it take to fire 7 teachers in LA? Try $3.5 million.
Guess how long it takes for a public school teacher in California to be granted tenure? Prepare to be shocked: It takes two years, without so much as a substantive review.
Facing enormously powerful teacher’s unions, Governor Schwarzenegger’s efforts to change the tenure rules (extending the tenure threshold to five years) have–to date–been resoundingly defeated. Unions like the California Teachers Association have spent millions to keep the two-year tenure rule in place. The Wall Street Journal took time to count the cost of this today:
“Even when bad schools close, which happens all too rarely, teachers from those schools take jobs at replacement schools or are sent to work at other schools in the system. And union contracts typically allow those with seniority to bump younger colleagues from other schools, even if the younger teachers are getting better classroom results. […] It’s not impossible to get rid of bad teachers, but it’s extremely hard and expensive. A report this month in LA Weekly noted that in the past decade the Los Angeles Unified School District “spent $3.5 million trying to fire just seven of the district’s 33,000 teachers for poor classroom performance.“ The result? Four were fired, two others were paid large settlements and one was reinstated. The paper also reported that 32 underperforming teachers were initially targeted for removal “but then secretly paid $50,000 by the district, on average, to leave without a fight.”” So as governors across the country look for areas to cut their state budgets, they need look no further than the seemingly innocuous line item “Education”. Turns out, education’s budget has nothing to do with children (at least according to the teachers unions). As it is, the California Teachers Association is asking everyone to save the date (March 3th) and “Stand up for Schools.” “It’s time everyone paid their fair share,” opines their plea that students and parents not let the state cut education funding. We agree that it’s time for everyone to pay their fair share. It’s just that teachers who shouldn’t even be in a classroom are paying no price at all. And California’s children and their parents are paying the full price.

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By Tom Edgar, March 8, 2011 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Miss Piggy.

So far you have ignored my invitation to do as you requested of me.  Your identity and “Resume” please.

All of the last submissions have not even remotely addressed the subject of “Education” but you choose your own particular irrelevant areas of interest and non expertise, then ALWAYS ignore when you are proven wrong.

It is particularly galling when you acknowledge your inferior standard of academic qualifications, but then persistently, and arrogantly, try to enforce your views on those you yourself deem as intellectually superior in pursuit of an agenda to promote irrelevancies, and personal biases.

Occasionally when you have something of consequence to say it is couched in archaic, convoluted, terminology that obfuscates any intent.

KISS your submissions and keep them relevant.

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By Shenonymous, March 8, 2011 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

(Do you purposefully spell my ID name incorrectly?)
M’thinks, hogarina, you are excessively melodramatic; your epic
one-paragraph soliloquies appear heedless and egocentric.

While free-speech is a sacred man-given right, there is such as
thing as prudence and felicitous remarks.  You may not have noticed
that this forum is about the relative best and worst of education in
America and you have more or less hijacked it for your own personal
need to rant about esoteric observations.  You can’t imagine it is
appreciated.

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By hogorina, March 7, 2011 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment
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TOM….hope you are doing fine! Of course, you do not
fit into this category, thankfully!

FORM THE STREETS BACK INTO THE GUTTER

It happens every day, The military attempts to remake
down and out pavement pounders, but fights a loosing
battle. This is a crime against humanoids. We
discover individuals
that originally hung on street corners, and sleeping
in dumpsters, at times having been in prison and no
friends. This life was an avenue of ghetto existence.

However, a bright future is in sight, when the
military is to be a way out for a bum to become
something. It offers three meals per day, a place to
sleep and a monthly check. With hats in hand,
usually, these types of individuals pleads with a
judge, or probationary officer, to swipe there record
clean, for the military will now take them off the
streets. Too, and the city gets rid of side-walk
pounding ravagers.

Here, after settling down with multiple groups of
men, friends are made. Yes, it is thought that new
fair-weather pals brings on a some what elevated
life. It is great to be accepted for an unknown out
sider. What a life. There is a lot of drinking,
friendly arguing, paling around and hand shaking, and
usually playing up to some superior, as a certified
sycophant. Wow, its’ a wonderful life. All of a
sudden, after amounting to something, getting under
the wings of Uncle Sam, a shallow world falls apart.
The military gets smart. Out of no where,a
psychiatrist holds a conference. This imposing misfit
is presented with a section eight discharge, as unfit
for military life. And now, this loner is back on the
streets from whence he sprang.

From nothing to the top, its back to street corners
and dumpsters. All of his former buddies are left
behind. No one, takes up time nor notices a
distraught personality, who all of a sudden, became
nothing again, no peers, no nothing, no free liquor
no more cigarette bumming, and from the top back to
the bottom. Here we blame judges, and probation
officers, for palming off a misfits onto the tax
payer’s responsibilities.

The lesson to be taught here is that the military has
indirectly contributed to men being discharged with
mental disabilities, that should have never entered
any service in the beginning. Once more, political
whoredom has produced double-decker schizophrenics
returning home to roam the streets in America. And
time marches on, the constructing of so-called half-
way houses continues, in order to harbor hand-me-down
paranoids. And the circus moves on. There is only one
last try for such vagabonds, and that is to become a
lawyer. As King Solomon surmised,” All is vanity”.

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By hogorina, March 7, 2011 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment
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SHEANONYMOUS…
THE TERROR OF DISREGARDING FREE SPEECH IS SELF-
IMPLANTED TREASON. 

America is driven into a well planned global
depression, not a period of specific recessions.
Office appointed political whores, collectively,
kneel down to a , or clan of international banksters
with combined cultures, and of ethnic ancestry. This
mysterious empire is not at all absolutely interested
in monetary gain. Their chief operation is to move
into select capitalistic nations, of global
influence, in spreading the gospel of pseudo-
socialism, and all isms that various people latch
onto in order to maintain a preconceived idea of
existing from birth to the tomb. As this method has
been used to destabilize all Third World countries, (
LIBYA ), as stepping stones into the heart and souls
of any Republic not previously sanctioned, as an
instrument of their web. AMERICA IS TO BE
REGIMENTATED WITH THE LOSS OF FREE SPEECH ! Thus the
First Amendment to the Constitution must be voided. 
With out a doubt, our Republican/Democratic political
machine must become divided, splintered and totally
plundered, as though an unseen hand of a supposed
Luciferian influence has full control. As before
stated, materialistic greediness is only a means to
an end. To openly, steal, rob and plunder a nation, (
AMERICA ), is simply to imply that treason is being
committed in the highest
eschelons of national government. Our Republic has
been transformed into a national (METROPOLITAN SEWER
). Aiding in this inward destruction is the massive
flood of well-trained revolutionaries, as post neo
Marxists with the cry of proletarians of the world
unite. Marxism is the bible of mobocracy in our
country, whether it is of ignorance or subtly
instilled, via a national commie machine of
liberalized journalistic prostitution. The revamping
of public opinion is press orientated far beyond
comprehension. 
Yes, indeed, every spiel of isms that lead to the
path of national socialism are fed to innocent
citizens of impaired vision, that usually end up with
mob intellect. And for all others of whom are aware
as to the changing tide of thought in difficult
times, are being freely fleeced of their substance by
planting the ever flippant line of thought in
difficult times, by planned inflation. Most are
innocently seduced via misinformed governmental
financial disclosure, are led astray being duped and
ignorantly misled, rail roaded into every concept of
approaching socialism, by a some what national
controlled media. PRESENTLY, AMERICA IS POLITICALLY
DOOMED, SOCIALLY WAY LAID AND MENTALLY HIJACKED. 
The Southern United States is under Marxists
reconstruction — no question about the Northern
hemisphere. The simple-minded are loaded down with
commie inspired news concealing liberalism’s path
through the Bible belt of the United States. Working
people are hammered down with every day insignificant
trifles of news-hounding. Most of all, no child or
women are safe on the streets. Police protection, as
allied with SWAT and FEMA are more prone to protect
commercial interests alone. All school children need
more protection, and proper education to sustain them
through life. Socialism is not the answer. Hard work
and self-esteem is the very roots of individual
freedom. 
Still, in front of all this one must take a rear view
as to how an international financial empire is slowly
gaining momentum through all channels of state and
federal government. The absolute control of Hollywood
has long ago been established. The very ultimate of a
future One Word global government is not to control
through money, but through public education in all
walks of life. Basically, a state of national
NIHILISM has leveled people in all walks of life, as
programmed mobs being electronically lobotomized
through television. Any and all mental cripples,
Democratic/Republican, of whom have taken part in the
reorganization of our Republic.

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By hogorina, March 6, 2011 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment
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SHEANONYMOUS..arn’t these men and religions!

  PRE-ARMAGEDDEN IS A FORERUNNER OF INELUCTABLE
DETERMINISM’S MENACE In the shadows of contemporary
professional journalism and in the every day mental
recesses of honorable layman, or hundreds of loose-
minded mobs, lurks a well concealed fact, being
implanted from the womb to the tomb. This mysterious
spirit of iniquity can be traced back over a several
thousands of years. Before the great deluge mother
nature wreaked havoc upon mankind that fell into a
trap of which was set up by the identical political
forces having control over our Republican
institution. It is impossible to segregate or divide
the ever drifting of universal Judaic/Christian into
an iron-fisted grasp, of any and all, of whom believe
that the Constitution hallows no amalgamation or
alliance between religion and state. George
Washington and Thomas Paine agreed upon this matter,
but Paine realized that a somewhat mysterious
influence was amidst the Founding Fathers. Thus,
Paine wound up in a French dungeon, for going against
the ancient menace of ineluctable determinism’s hold
upon any and all minds dwelling in the universal
fields of pseudo-man made religions, as allied with
political whoredom. Actually, for hundreds of years
political reality was not to rock the boat. Of
course, a few in number had not the intellectual
ability to realize that they were merely tools of an
already One World government scheme being concealed
down through the ages by anti-social pulpit pounders,
as ready-made mouth pieces for the financial
engineers of which have full command and absolute
control over both political parties respectively. The
shame of this is that both parties are wrangling over
insignificant matters, brought to head as a veneer
from moles within. It is impertinent that pro
Communist elements must be thrown to the streets.
America must know the terror of SOCIALISM. The subtle
political power behind INELUCTABLE DETERMINISM never
forget and never forgive when openly exposed. For
sure, this poster will not make that mistake. Not one
President of this United States has failed to follow
the mysterious methods being imposed upon the people,
because they are not fully aware as to this
mysterious, not mythical, individual personality
disorder of transcensdental Oriental fundamentalism,
with its anti spiritual nature to absolutely destroy
the American Republic. Hand-in-hand with this
transcendentalism is its chief method used to compel
political whores to eat crow. This little unknown
metaphysical implant is known as GLANDULAR MURDER.
Combined, this twin method of deposing any and all
political opposition, brings on sudden heart attacks
and other deaths through causing specific glands to
over react at once. The last book written on McCarthy
mentions that the Senator knew that he was being
killed, but he could not comprehend the manner used.
This was glandular murder. At this very moment it is
being used against any movie star or politician of
whom steps out of line. This is something like being
excommunicated from some religious denomination and
being ostracized. Threading back through contemporary
history, even back to the Civil War era, several
personalities come to the fore front. President
Abraham Lincoln was caught in betwixt a rock and a
hard place. His real name was ENHOE, NOT lincoln.
This is no great measure, but why the name change?
Supposedly, the President’s ghost writers had a
political agenda to reorganize individuaL SOVERIERGN
STATES IN GIVING THE FEDERALISTS A KNAWING GRIP IN
BEING GUIDING by THAT UNIVERSAL MACHINE OF
Rothschilds’ wealth. There is no intention to
demeanor wealthy people, for men of all nations own
much. In collusion, Lincoln’s true political nature
fulfilled his allotted alliance with a measure of
Ineluctable Determinism.

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By Shenonymous, March 6, 2011 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

“Only through a man’s race ?and religion can we know some what
about the future…”  A pathetic piece of drivel.  One cannot “know”
the present let alone the future.  One does not “know” the past let
alone the present.  Future is only an anticipatory indicator of events
or conditions and by definition is an unknowable. At any rate, it is
equivocating to say know “somewhat” about anything.  If you seek
educated guesses, then a better education in genetics might help
since lineage, race, and religion are not reliable barometers of future
action. Religion has done more to damage the human mind and by
extension number of people who have ever lived in this world than any
other belief-making system.

There is quite a bit of mockery in your comments, hogarina, that
belies a high quotient of egotism, please refer to Freud.

The future promises a dilution of people that skin color will tend
toward graying of the entire human population, in syncretizing beliefs,
and accretion of actions.  It is what I call the Universal Leveling Factor
(ULF).

It is entertaining to watch a prancing hog, hogarina.  You seem not to
be aware that your tutu droops in the back. 

Using lineage or race as a measure of what will be the future falls into
fallacy that predicting events to come depends on genetic factors that
have descended from past organisms and such reliance lapses into the
delirous. 

Did you know there is genetic mutation about every 40 generations,
or about a thousand years?  It takes only the mutation of one letter in
the DNA sequencing for one individual to significantly change so that
their (Unique Event Polymorphism) UEP markers make a permanent new
characteristic. While groups of a population may hold certain markers
through tens of thousands of years thereby appearing to preserve a
species, and individuals within the scope of genera can change radically
affecting an entire genera which would result in physiological shifts in
other significant ways. It is so homogenous and prevalent that it shows
nature has no interest for one nanosecond what is the survival
trajectory for any organism regardless of its size.  Besides, unexpected
events such as radiation or other chemical interferences could also
change the DNA sequencing. BTW:  What is the lineage of a hog?  Do
hogs and humans descend from the same simians?  Most life forms
and non-life forms for that matter collected to become units of any
size it has been shown it is a matter of accidentally bumping into
bondable others. It is after a serendipitous event that lineages begin
and if one line meets up, also accidentally, with another that is
compatible, more generations are created. 

Given that the universe is no longer in thermodynamic equilibrium as
it once was, the order-of-magnitude jumps from Plank’s time to the
present, predictions now hinge on unresolved issues in physics.  When
birth and death of stars that constantly happens throughout the
universe, but which are unpredictable as to the exact moment of
change from birth and death, too many variables involved, it is far
beyond indicators of a changing universe, beyond knowledge and
intuition to make any cogent predictions. While you might have some
you don’t have all of the parts to play the game.  The unpredictable
gives any augury a zero ratio to any imagination.

We have only whispers of the content of the past and don’t have all
the surrounding facts that outlines every present or past discrete event,
which makes it impossible to predict beyond any probability. Probability
always leaves open a degree of mistake.

It is only a poor man’s game you attempt to play, hogarina (poor
not in material accumulation but poor in what you show to be your
learning.)  I admit games are fun, but it is one thing to admit to a
game and another to not and to only pretend one is engaged in
reality regardless of clever masquerade.

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Admin please note I log in, it is accepted then immediately goes back to the Log in again. REPEATEDLY.

Hog Please read carefully. I did NOT say I was a “Marine”, a group whom I respect.  I was a “Mariner.” i.e. a British Merchant Seaman, and I sailed in the North Atlantic on a gasoline tanker in WW2. Commonly called the Fly or Fry ships.

My antecedents are irrelevant to my future, although I can trace on one side back to the Norman invaders in 1066 as there was a knight with the Conqueror named Sir Thomas Richard Burdett the same name occurring repeatedly through to my maternal grandfather. (Killed in WW1).
On the paternal side, Edgar is common both just south and north of the Scottish border, particularly in Carlisle, my father’s family town, and from whence came the first King of all England “King Edgar”.  My remarks to my late wife, an expert on English Royalty, that I was probably the real heir to the English throne was derisively shot down in flames by her retort. “No way could you be related to him.  He was known as King Edgar the Peaceable.”

As for General MacArthur. Who,like Patton, was a great self publicist.  My late wife was an Australian employee in Brisbane of the U S Navy Mail and Censorship division during WW2. When first entering his office she was shocked to see him without his hat and that he was bald.

As for being my right to be an atheist.In Australia and Britain being an atheist is a non event, in both countries about thirty percent of the population are atheist with as few as twenty percent ever attending places of worship regularly, most of the others really don’t give much thought to religion. In some European countries the percentage of atheists is even higher.  which surprisingly includes Portugal and Spain as being most atheistic.  Probably a reaction to predatory Priests, and the highly oppressive strongly Catholic Franco period.

I didn’t see you take up on my challenge for you to declare your identity and background.

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TOM Edgar
No doubt about it, you are well educated and it puts
me far below your personal triumphs in this life.
However, I wanted to know what family line have you
descended from. Can you trace your lineage back for
over three thousands years. Only through a man’s race
and religion can we know some what about the future (
contemporary ) history, in comprehending the future,

I’ll never forget the souls of the Marines, of whom
died in the Pacific. Today, I feel they had died in
vain. Thank you for wearing that uniform. My hat is
off to you. Two of my brothers were in the Marines.
All total I had six brothers in uniform.

I was typing this letter to you you when a friend of
mine, a former Marine, who is blind and lives alone.
According to politicians in Washington, he doesn’t
exist. He was in the invasion at Inchon Korea under
MacArthur. He understands why Harry Truman worked
against the General during the conflict.

I really enjoyed your wonderful letter. Let me say,
there was no way that I would question your ability
in any field both public and private. And I never
intended to. you explained to be an atheist—your
personal right. Still, people are tired of nourishing
lives via television, while perched upon some
geological rock, through out our expanding universe.

Tom, with your back groud I would like to field
questions to you, of several matters—-no sports
please! Have a nice day!

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By Tom Edgar, March 5, 2011 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

Hog P S I forgot to add I started work at age 14.  The rest was up,or down, to me.

Plus I was also a Councilor of the Professional Photographers Association of Australia.

Our Prime Minister (=President) is at present visiting your country, and will address your Reps House. She is all those things you have not, and in some instances, will never have.  A Female unmarried, cohabiting with her partner in our equivalent to the “White House” (Kirrabilli).  Openly an ATHEIST.Plus the one thing that makes ALL your migrants second class citizens, unlike ours,who are equal to the naturally born.  She is a naturalised immigrant.

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By Tom Edgar, March 5, 2011 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

I have checked previous posts and I see NO request from you demanding my identity.  Unlike you I do not use a pseudonym.
Tom Edgar is my real name,. 84 years.  WW2 Mariner, Worked as a Mechanic, Ranch Hand, Trucker, but mostly as a self employed Photographer, News Photographer, Educator.(Tertiary and Secondary).

Amateur Wrestler, Australian Amateur Wrestling Association Official, Referee, Judge, State Team Coach/Trainer. Olympic Games Council rep for my State.. Once prospective Federal Government candidate for the Australian Labor Party, (when it was a Socialist Party). Born in the U K.Born again Australian. Presently, and for many years,living on a small semi isolated mountain property in S E Queensland. Atheist all my life as was my father before me, unlike my superstitious mother. Married 46 years to my only partner, three children, none were baptised nor indoctrinated, and I married with a civil ceremony in the State Registry Office without taking a Biblical oath.

Now you do the same.

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By hogorina, March 5, 2011 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment
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TOM EDGAR
You always avoid being pinned down. Formal education
has poisoned your reason to see into political
implications, in that you pretend to be conservative.
I’ve asked you before, ” Who are you ” and you will
not come clean. yes, at times, I do use the word
whom, when the word who should be put forth.If
conversation is carried on with split personalities
the word whom is to conducted. This is because many
people have multiple personalities. Paranoids
generally fall into this category.

Try calling someone by phone that thinks they are the
center of the universe. What personality will answer
the call—it could be any one of several individuals.
Would you comprehend as to whom you to converse with,
of course not. It would be idiotic to think in the
singular, in dealing with several personalities, all
encased within the mind of one pathologically driven
lunatic.

Originally, my intention was to attempt to get you to
thinking and you are the opposite. You should become
more inductive to newer thought before condeming
others. I have noticed another poster putting you in
your place as to the manner in which you dodge
answering.

And now, Tom, I will use the term WHOM when referring
to you as one individual with no other bridge to
cross other to live with subtle personalities of
which you aren’t aware. For me, it’s to the one (you)
as to whom, as an individual, dealing with himself in
first person. Another observation is known as one,
(whom ) goes mumbling to them selves. This is a form
of delusional egos.

In summing up, good advice to you is to study up on
the late Dr’Sigmund Freud’s, ( THE PERSONALITY
SUPPRESSION COMPLEX SYNDROME). Too, Freud’s ”
CIVILIZATION AND IT’S DISCONTENTS ). Could you
possibly had fallen into the following situation?
Your thinking is not up to par when questioned!

  TWO LEGGED COCKROACHE­S WILL SNIBBLE AT ANYTHING

THE RISE AND FALL OF A PSEUDO REPUBLICAN DEMOCRACY
The future plans for our Republic has been well lain.
Eventually­, we will have three distinct levels of
national society. The unknown ruling element will
remain intact. Too, the unshakable middle class will
stay afloat. As to the thinning, the slow climbers
into the middle class will be completely eliminated­.
This will leave a national mob under the nation wide
police state, as it expands today. All state and
federal employees will receive the highest pay, in
order to control them. Our Republic will be
reconstruc­ted, as to the have and those who have
nothing but soup lines. Artificial inflation plus the
profession­s striving from Medicare recipients will
dwindle, while the undesirabl­es are slowly fed
poisoned food and the lack of medical care. A
standing military will be well fed and clothed. This
new dictator ship will be absolutely merciless. And
the circus will proceed on its well planned events in
crucifying any press club that fails to buckle down
under physical and mental slavery!

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By Tom Edgar, March 4, 2011 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

Hog. I offer gratuitous advice.

Many years ago I was told. To make a clear argument, be accurate, concise, and use only long words where short ones do not suffice.

If sending a letter to a Politician always ask a question directly so that it must be answered, and this applies not only to Politicians.

Never confuse the message with side issues, and irrelevancies. When stating what you consider factual, supply, with sources, supportive evidence.
Keep to the point.
On all of these I, respectfully, draw attention that you fail abysmally.

There is one other extremely annoying habit you have.
When given evidence that your statements, previously made, are either fallacious, or without foundation whatsoever, you do not acknowledge, defend, or apologise, just carry on at another tangent as if you had never made spurious assertions.  This is a common tactic of Politicians in interviews.

When I have asked you a question you act as if I had written nothing, this is no different to asking a question, when in the same room, and being deliberately ignored. At a bare minimum that would be seen as extremely poor manners. It shows that you actually haven’t come to learn, but just to push a point of view on diverse matters, often irrelevant to the debate, generally at variance with ours. This is a pity as there is evidence that you are trying to think, sometimes succeeding. But you do seriously need to take on board my earlier advice and then edit, edit, and edit again.

In closing I am not about to correct your spelling or grammar, the former, “Spell Check” is on your computer to be used, the Grammar comes with education and experience.  If you are, primarily, self taught, I can only suggest you find a better tutor or improve the present one. Education begins when you leave school, and should last a lifetime.

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SHEANONYMOUS..I am very sorry. Thought that you would
submit to the first person, as to myself, in knowing
that those adjectives were to be reversed. Demeanring
others is no sport of mine! Here are my thoughts
surrounding Satan’s, collectively, shysters, as
agents of despair and their father Lucifer!
Incidentally, you gave a grand lecture on scripture.
Three thousands years past, a good men stood before
lawyers. Actually, He was tried four times at night,
in violation of the law, in which night procedures
were repugnant. Our Supreme Court does its dirty work
openly at day break. If committed in day light, what
manner of evil would these hand-picked snipes do at
darkness?

         

       
          BUZZARDS AND LAWYERS
This bird, VULTURE, reminds me of the legal system,
because of the methods used between lawyers and
judges, as the bail bonding racket has become a full-
fledged go-between racketeering industry, of vast
proportions, in every state of the Union. Naturally,
this does not imply that we do not have honest legal
advisors. This shoe of professional racketeering is a
bit more uglier than the bird previously viewed.

More than likely, millions of dollars are passed
under the table, as criminals pay bonds, before
appearing in court. What is being stated is a well
known fact, in being associated with both sides of
this issue. Shame on the low-life scoundrels of whom
participate as lawyers’ judges’ and bail bondsmen.
These creatures are, the ones who are guilty, of the
lowest ever put on the earth. Too, this racket is
handed down from generation to generation. No one can
break in on this little nest egg, as a closed knit
society unto them selves. Many have tried but always
fail. It has sickened me to think of this element, as
to bring on vomiting. This matter will be fuller
explained latter. So far we have had legalized
buzzards feeding from helpless, but inarticulate
citizens. who have no way out from this nest of
criminals—corrupt judges, lawyers and bail bonds
men. Come back later and your blood will run cold or
follow the wranglins of the Supreme Court while a
string of souless shysters work their criminality
through the State Department, Department of Interior,
lobbyers in Congress, Fema, Swat and and in all areas
of national affairs of fifty stagnated states. Our
form of political system is a vast organ of
swindelers, most likely descending from the lineage
of Satan, when He had a class action abortion after
being raped, by the pseudo religious devils of whom
formerly made havoc in ancient Babylonia.

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By Shenonymous, March 4, 2011 at 3:49 am Link to this comment

Thank you, hogarina!  I had more than a nice day.  It was wonderful.
Those with whom I interacted were very fine healthy-minded human
specimens.

You appear to suffer the same ills many on these blogs suffer: 
Attributing to others things they have not said. It is a fault that
belies a self-consciousness of being too small minded.  How you
concluded I was under the weather was a delusion.  I’m always
happy and look forward to what the day will bring. You are too
attentive to my state of mind, you ought to pay more attention
to your own.

I did not say you seemed to worry too much.  Perhaps you do, but I do
not know if you do, to any degree.  I said perhaps you think too much.

My experiences with the legal profession has been dismal, never
“uplifting.”  I don’t let my rancor for them keep me awake at night.

I read your post to Tom Edgar with much interest.  You claim a kind
of conspiracy is at work, a “well-planned” global depression.  Can you
provide references or evidence and name the principles involved?  It is
one thing to make gauzy accusations and another to have something
substantial to rest on.  It could be that Lucifer’s influence is in control,
if, that is, there was such compelling force.  And what type of force is it
anyway, the alleged rebelliously independent archangel whose wings
were removed when kicked out of heaven? 

A brief digression (you have learned by now it is my routine to
elucidate): Did you know that Lucifer was the word meaning ‘brilliant
star,’ a title given to the King of Babylon (Isa. 14:12) to denote his
glory. The Judaistic Lucifer was appropriated from the Babylonians,
precursors of the Middle Easterners.  Much Hebrew biblical mythology
was “appropriated” from the Babylonians while held captive in 6th c.
BCE.  The word became perverted when the Jews and Christians needed
a scapegoat conception for all the ills in the world.  The Jewish culture
assimilated much from the Babylonians, such as their alphabet and
calendar, as well as religious practices and customs.  Therefore,
Christians inherited their culture in a direct line from the Babylonians. 
Too much history to discuss here and now, but worth the read if anyone
is interested.

Etymology of the romanticized Old English Lucifer aka Satan: from the
Latin Lucifer meaning morning star, light bearer, from lux (gen. lucis )
+ ferre “carry.”  It is believed that Lucifer, the proper name of Satan
(Islam’s Shaitan), began when it appeared in the Hebrew Bible to
translate the Greek Phosphorus, who was among the progeny of Titans
Eos and Astraios, and whose light is seen as fire! and this is how fire
became associated with that woeful abode, Hell, or wherever
Satan/Lucifer/Phosphorus/Hades reside and rule. Also translated into
Hebrew as Helel ben Shahar (Isa. 14:12), “How art thou fallen from
heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!?” [KJV].  The verse was
reinterpreted by Christians as a reference to “Satan,” because of the
mention of a fall from Heaven, even though literally it is a reference to
the King of Babylon (Isa. 14:4).  Plainly, much of our Western culture
was simply an appropriation of ancient Babylonian mythology.

I sympathize and commiserate with them, the mobs these days are not
the Republicans and their effete associates, but they are those involved
in demanding freedom and liberty, showing the Republicans exactly
what is a mob!  Egypt, Liberia, Tunisia, Wisconsin, Ohio.  It is viral. 
Once the microbes of freedom and liberty strike, they permanently
agitate.

True, socialism as it has been known is not the answer.  A hybrid,
socialized capitalism, might be.  Hard work and self-esteem are as you
say, the very roots of individual freedom, but individuals who choose to
live within a social structure are obliged to relinquish a portion of
absolute freedom.  How much is always the real debate, and perhaps
not suited to this forum on education.

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Note! HOGORINA DID NOT MAKE THE REPLY ON
CLINTON..COMPUTER ERROR!

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TOM EDGAR…..check the spelling on this one. Pt.1

JOURNALISTS ARE COMPELLED TO EAT CROW WITH
SUBSCRIBERS

THE TERROR OF DISREGARDING FREE SPEECH IS SELF-
IMPLANTED TREASON !

America is now being driven into a well planned
global depression, not a period of specific
recessions. Office appointed political whores,
collectively, kneel down to a , or clan of
international banksters with combined cultures, and
of ethnic ancestry. This mysterious empire is not at
all absolutely interested in monetary gain. Their
chief operation is to move into select capitalistic
nations, of global influence, in spreading the gospel
of pseudo-socialism, and all isms that various people
latch onto in order to maintain a preconceived idea
of existing from the womb too the tomb. As this
method has been used to destabilize all Third Word
countries, as steping stones into the heart and souls
of any Republic not previously sanctioned as an
instrument of their web. AMERICA IS TO BE
REGIMENTATED WITH THE LOSS OF FREE SPEECH ! Thus the
First Amendment to the Constitution must be voided.

With out a doubt, our Republican/Democratic political
machine must become divided, splintered and totally
plundered, as though an unseen hand of a supposed
Luciferian influence has full control. As before
stated, materialistic greediness is only a means to
an end. To openly, steal, rob and plunder a nation, (
AMERICA ), is simply to imply that treason is being
committed in the highest
eschelons of national government. Our Republic has
been transformed into a national (METROPOLITAN SEWER
). Aiding in this inward destruction is the massive
flood of well-trained revolutionaries, as post neo
Marxists with the cry of proletarians of the world
unite. Marxism is the bible of mobocracy in our
country, whether it is of ignorance or subtly
instilled, via a national commie machine of
liberalized journalistic prostitution. The revamping
of public opinion is press orientated far beyond
comprehension.

Yes, indeed, every spiel of isms that lead to the
path of national socialism are fed to innocent
citizens of impaired vision, that usually end up with
mob intellect. And for all others of whom are aware
as to the changing tide of thought in difficult
times, are being freely fleeced of their substance by
planting the ever flippant line of thought in
difficult times, by planned inflation. Most are
innocently seduced via misinformed governmental
financial disclosure, are led astray being duped and
ignorantly misled, rail roaded into every concept of
approaching socialism, by a some what national
controlled media. PRESENTLY, AMERICA IS POLITICALLY
DOOMED, SOCIALLY WAY LAID AND MENTALLY HIJACKED.

The Southern United States is under Marxists
reconstruction — no question about the Northern
hemisphere. The simple-minded are loaded down with
commie inspired news concealing liberalism’s path
through the Bible belt of the United States. Working
people are hammered down with every day insignificant
trifles of news-hounding. Most of all, no child or
women are safe on the streets. Police protection, as
allied with SWAT and FEMA are more prone to protect
commercial interests alone. All school children need
more protection, and proper education to sustain them
through life. Socialism is not the answer. Hard work
and self-esteem is the very roots of individual
freedom.

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SHEANONYMOUS..WAS UNDER THE WEATHER THIS MORNING. Got
up and needed an uplift. And then my beginning
advisor popped up bringing me lots of laughter.
Thanks for not being a spell checker. Further, for
educating me, and in allowing me to express my
specific thumbs down, on issues coming before us that
we have no control over. The greatest gift for any
personality is to speak freely and to be responsible
for what is stated.

Incidentally, you warned me that I seemed to worry too
much—absolutely not, but concerned. It is a pleasure
to receive your advice in enlightening me with your
talent in calming others down with the simplicity of
explanation.

Having been through life gives me import on all areas
in the professional industry, It was discovered that
most people are good, if we are kind and not too
overly presumptuous, in down grading anyone in taking
our selves for more than we are actually worth. Your
interest in what is conveyed via my slurred
observations is uplifting.

Thank you for your lessons on the in and outs of
mankind. Of course, you are far above being merely an
aristocrat—a down to earth personality. But please
speak more kindly of legalized buzzards. Their
dominion is the art of lying and expanding Satan’s
operations within the national field of political prostitution. Please have a nice day.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2011 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

Socrates said many things and Plato was his mouthpiece, or oracle
if one prefers.  I agree the bane of humanity are the stinking horde
of lawyers.  Have you noticed that most bloodless politicians have
been bloodless lawyers?  Neither are to be trusted.  Nor are those
who previously were clergy.

I do not attend bars so have no firsthand knowledge about those
slurking creatures. (I love the adjective, it is so descriptive of
lawyers.  If you don’t mind I will borrow it and put it in my personal
lexicon).  I have had firsthand experience with such wretches as you are
calling shysters.  Not an unevil bone in their bodies.  Perhaps you could
make anti-lawyer posters and broadcast them densely to impress not
only the levelheaded citizens, but also those ignorant and super
ignorant inarticulate poor.  Perhaps you do not have benevolence in
your heart, hogarina?

“I do nothing but go about persuading you all, old and young alike, not
to take thought for your persons or your properties, but and chiefly to
care about the greatest improvement of the soul. I tell you that virtue is
not given by money, but that from virtue comes money and every other
good of man, public as well as private. This is my teaching, and if this
is the doctrine which corrupts the youth, I am a mischievous person.” 
Words of good old Soc.

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SHEANONYMOUS…EDUCATION IS USEFUL HERE!
Quiete a post on how not to become a lunatic. One
uppermost consideration in sustaining a normal
disposition is to stay away from lawyers, and any
atmospheric condition that smells of these legal body
snatchers. Collectively, this profession is a mental
disorder housed within the bodies of the living dead.
Their prolonged disposition is to attach individual
desires, in procreating, transposing, nature into a
look-a-like, corpses, hustling along with valises,
filled with torts that gaurantee outright robbery of
helpless souls. Socrates, ( 382 BC ), denounced these
vipers as plagues of society.
The late, Clarence Darrow, internationally known
criminal trial lawyer, noted: Never trust a lawyer!
The most upper thought of these body snatchers is to
never give a sucker an even break, nor a chump
another chance.
One must inquire as to the relationship, and this
class of professional liers, have in common with
protecting mother nature, in general too, is to
consider the odor of the walking dead and the
bacteria of soiled clothing and unbathed skin. An old
maxim, ’ the dead know nothing’, is contrary to
reasonable attention. A soul dead in heart and
consciousness is a walking zombie. Observe many of
these creatures slurking from bar to bar thirsting
for alchol. The above average lawyer, and eventually
to become judges, are known as quart-a-day shysters.
The only conribution to the living is to literally
suck the blood from the ignorant and super ignorant
and the inarticulate poor!
It is impertinent that level-headed citizens be
forewarned of this legalized iniquity of hell, thrust
upon any civilization. Some years past, a cellilord
flick was on the market, ’ The Walking Dead’. It was
well known that no lawyers would be hired as stand
ins.
The producers wanted people acting as they were dead,
not actually deceased inviduals, of whom were
spiritually dead already. Stick to mother nature’s
elequent advice, as to a healthy life via
dodging shysters through the path of alphabet
juggling!

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By Shenonymous, March 2, 2011 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

Perhaps you have too many thoughts, hogarina.

It might be true that “PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS NO CONTROL OVER ?
CONGRESS.”  It certainly looks as if the depraved Republicans who
wish to destroy the immeasurably less privileged, the disadvantaged,
the disenfranchised even more than they already have in the service
of their masters, Greed and its Siamese twin, Power, have the control
of Congress.  Therefore….?

It is completely comprehensive how the various ?pseudo religious
Republican functionaries nationwide, with the unlimited cooperation
and endowment of the hogs of cash, also Republican, have too long
over the years used handsome fortunes to exercise coercive force to
subjugate the mass of ignorant, therefore unsuspecting humans to
sustain their collective and personal need to preserve that relationship. 
Greed and Power is unequivocally the how.  Were it not for the
socialistic practices and safeguards furiously won on behalf of the
masses by those of incredible humanitarian insight, bravery, and
magnanimity, untold millions of humans would have prematurely died
and those who did not die, suffered.  Yes it is the supercilious likes of
you who sit comfortably at your computer spewing unending idiocies,
also pseudo-religious, that would exploit those who are less privileged
than you and your beastly vulturous brethren that eat naïve humans’
flesh and cannibalize hogs of other stripes.

It is often thought that Buddhism teaches that nothing exists. If
nothing exists, what is it that imagines nothing exists?  Buddhism
does not teach that nothing exists
. Quite the contrary.  Everything
exists.  It is attachment, unbridled attachment that causes blindness in
the world.  Attachment to worldly material and contrivances, and cause
and make the helpless suffer. But the Gaddafi minded, the Kim Jong-
Ils, the Robert Mugabes and Omar Al-Bashirs, and Sayyid Ali
Khameneis
, the tyrants, the despicable despots who are the real
sufferers because have lost their human impulses. And you, hogarina,
have lost your senses too.  You imagine you are some avenging
creature come to save the world.  A savior, a Christ.

The historical Buddha is known to have been a human being who it is
said realized enlightenment through his own efforts.  Buddhism is non-
theistic, Gautama is not thought to have been a god.  The Buddha did
not specifically teach there were no gods, just that believing in gods
was not useful to realizing enlightenment.  Because of the mysticism
involved in achieving Nirvana, or enlightenment, those who needed the
structure of a belief system, created an entire religion around a mystery
of what is thought to be an experience of enlightenment.  The entire
belief system can be explained as a psychological heightened
awareness.  Committed Buddhists would argue against this elucidation. 
Regardless, of how it is thought, it does have a psychological calming
effect.  Let us save ourselves, hogarina.

Give yourself the gift of silence, stop your babbling, hogarina.  Take the
lotus position, resting them on your lap enfold your hands and touch
thumbs together to create a circle, lower your eyelids but don’t close
them altogether, then empty your mind of all thoughts.  You will do
yourself a great service and the entire world as well.

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By Tom Edgar, March 2, 2011 at 4:40 am Link to this comment
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Admin N.B I found it impossible to “Log In” just went to a blank sheet.

Hogwash.  For that is what you write.  Shenonymous would shudder if her students (University Post Graduates)wrote such a diatribe of near unreadable nonsense.

You confuse polysyllabic phraseology with “Writing”.
It is, but only when it clearly delivers a message.  You never do.

When confronted with FACTS that repudiate your statements you neither apologise nor explain. It appears that you extrapolate from the writings of others, and then disjointedly deliver them in another format.

Centralised Education is another area in which you are clearly wrong, Centralised and standardised early education, along with equal opportunities for all throughout the U S is the one area which would advance the abysmally low U S average standard. Early Public Education, in America, unfortunately, is very much a local and State initiative, with poor areas perpetuating low standards because they lack the resources of wealthier districts.

You persist in referring to that ridiculous diluvian Biblical/Ark episode although I told you it is not only impossible and provably so.

The Bible is a hotch potch of collected myths, fiction,fables with few verifiable facts. This was then collated over a few centuries, after the C E,  modified several times, with some books being removed, and others added.  There are so many stories to which no intelligent person would even consider credible. To quote from it as an infallible source only strengthens the impression that there is a paucity of mental acuity.

Please stop wasting valuable space, go back to feeding the Hogs or maybe to your local hill billy chapel where this kind hogwash is usually lapped up.

P S Those last submissions, both in grammar and spelling even exceeded your usual low standards.  Certainly shows that the low level of American Primary Schooling is well and truly established as a fact.

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CENTRALIZED EDUCATION WITHIN OUR UNITED STATES HAS
CREATED MORE FOOLS THAN (Alice In Wonder land ) has
embalmed. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

Sir, education is, what it is! Of course, the aim is
towards pseudo liberal pre-nuerological mental
presumptions, that abstraction is a field for
neutralizing lucid minds, in an obscene void of
intersanctum…free falling from the world of
individual responsibility, into an abyss of idle
souls, of whom fail to struggle for survival.

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and dissect policy with equal ease, Clinton has
another appealing quality in these economic hard
times: He left office amid high employment and a
government surplus. Some people attending his rallies
wear buttons saying “I miss peace, prosperity and
Clinton.”

[See a slide show of 5 Reasons Obama is the Same as
Bush, Clinton.]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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      SYMPOSIUM ON TRICLE DOWN POLITICS
SHEANONYMOUS…TRY THIS NEANDERTHAL DOUBLE TALK——-.

ONE NEVER KNOWS EXACTLY FROM WHENCE A SITE IS SET UP
AND CONTROLLED FROM OPERATORS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. IN
ESTIMATION, PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS NO CONTROL OVER
CONGRESS. HE IS AT THE HELM OF STATE AND IN NEUTRAL
GEAR.

IN THE SAME SITUATION WITH GENERALISSIMO GADDAFI, HIS
SHIP OF STATE HAS BECOME AS AS A RUDDERLESS BARGE ON
THE HIGH SEAS, BEING CARRIED WITH THE CURRENT OF
INTERNATIONAL FINANCE. ONE MUST NEVER FORGET THAT
BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY INCOMPREHENSIBLE, AS TO HOW VARIOUS
PSEUDO RELIGIOUS FUNCTIONARIES NATIONWIDE, HAVE SO
LONG OVER THE YEARS HAVE PUT IN FORCE THE SOCIAL
GOSPEL OF UNIVERSAL SOCIALISM, AS THE FUTURE MAP FOR
INCIPIENT BOLSHEVISM. OUR NATION IS COMBED WITH PRO-
REDS AND EASTERN WORLD REVOLUTIONARIES OPERATING WITH
ALL MAN MADE RELIGIOUS MOVEMENTS. BEHIND PRESIDENT
OBAMA AND GENERALISSIMO GADDAFI IS A GLOBAL MAN-MADE
RELIGIOUS EMPIRE STRONGER THAN ANY POLITICAL
OPERATIVE IN THE UNIVERSE. THIS OPERATION KENNELS ITS
IDEALISTIC DREAM TO CONQUOR ALL THIRD WORD REPUBLICS
HAS SPREAD ITS WINGS OVER LIBYA.

IN ESSENCE, THE ROLL OVER OF A NATION OF CONTEMPORARY
SPLINTERED ISMAELITES, LIBYA, IS THE AFTERMATH OF
SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF YEARS BCE.

EVERY RELIGIOUS FUNCTION WITHIN AMERICA RECEIVES TAX
FREEBIES FORM THE INTERNAL REVENUE DEP’T. THE
CONCEALED SCHEME FOR FRAUDULENT PULPIT POUNDERS IS TO
FOREVER ELEVATE, POLITICALLY, OUR PSEUDO
REPUBLICAN//DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. EVEN A BLIND HOG CAN
FIND AN ACORN IN THE DARK. HOWEVER, BOUGHT OFF
SCRIBES WITHIN THE NATIONAL RELIGIOUS EMPIRE OPERATE
IN DAY LIGHT OURS THROUGH BEING BOUGHT OFF IN SERVING
POLITICAL WHOREDOM IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE.

IN OBSERVATION, AMERICA IS NOW CONTROLLED BY AN
INTERNATIONAL NETWORK OF ALLIED BANKSTERS, OF ALL
WALKS OF LIFE, IN THE SYSTEM OF GOLD. UNIVERSAL
DISORDER LEADS THE IGNORANT AND THE SUPER IGNORANT
AND THE UNLTRA IGNORANT BY THE NOSE, BECAUSE A
COMBINATION OF GODS FLOODING AMERICA, IN A MEASURE,
OUT OF ORIENTAL FUNDAMENTALISM’S ANCIENT STRUGGLE,
THAT TURNS BACK THE PAGES OF ANCIENT RELIGIONS, AS AN
INCIPIENT FLOOD INTO WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

IN A MEASURE, THE PRESENT LIBYAN SITUATION IN
REALITY, IS OVER RELIGIOUS QUARELLING REACHING BACK
TO THE DAYS OF THE PATRIOT ISAAC AND JACOB.

THIS SOCIAL MEANACE STEMS FROM THE PATRIOT ABRAHAM
THROUGH ESAU, THE RED, THE TRIBE OF JUDA, AND
CONTEMPORARY ISRAEL. THIS FIRE WILL NEVER BURN OUT AS
LONG AS NOAH’S ANCESTRY THROUGH HAM, JAPHET AND SHEM
PROWL OVER THE EARTH, BETWIXT INTER CULTURED PEOPLES,
AND THE PROBLEM OF GLOBAL FINANCIAL ENGINEERS TO
CULTIVATE UNIVERSAL SOCIALISM, OF WHICH IS A FRONT
FOR BOLSHEVISING EVERY CIVILIZED NATION ON EARTH. IN
ESSENCE, BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER. THESE EARTH
PLANERS FOLLOW A WELL LAIN OUT SPIRITUAL INCLINATION.
SINCE WE HAVE TWO SO-CALLED RELIGIOUS ASSORTMENTS ON
OUR NATIONAL SOIL, ( ISRAELS). IT WOULD APPEAR THAT
THE NATIONAL SOCIAL HEMISPHERE IS UNDER THE CLOUD OF
A RELIGIOUS CONSORTMENT, FILLED WITH TRUNCATING THE
MINDS OF THOUGHTLESS BEINGS

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By hogorina, March 1, 2011 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment
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AS THE WORLD EVOLVES
Tom please check spelling: (1)
THE PSEUDO POLITICAL/RELIGIOUS SPIRIT OF INIQUITY AND
THE SALVATION OF OUR REPUBLIC IS IN THE HANDS OF
INTERNATIONAL ORIENTAL GANGSTERS . PRE-ARMAGEDDEN IS
A FORERUNNER OF INELUCTABLE DETERMINISM’S MENACE in
the shadows of contemporary professional journalism
and in the every day mental recesses of honorable
layman, or hundreds of loose-minded mobs, lurks a
well concealed fact, being implanted from the womb to
the tomb. This mysterious spirit of iniquity can be
traced back over a several thousands of years. Before
the great deluge mother nature wreaked havoc upon
mankind that fell into a trap of which was set up by
the identical political forces having control over
our Republican institution. It is impossible to
segregate or divide the ever drifting of universal
Judaic/Christian into an iron-fisted grasp, of any
and all, of whom believe that the Constitution
hallows no amalgamation or alliance between religion
and state. George Washington and Thomas Paine agreed
upon this matter, but Paine realized that a somewhat
mysterious influence was amidst the Founding Fathers.
Thus, Paine wound up in a French dungeon, for going
against the ancient menace of ineluctable
determinism’s hold upon any and all minds dwelling in
the universal fields of pseudo-man made religions, as
allied with political whoredom never forgive when
openly exposed. For sure, this poster will not make
that mistake. Not one President of this United States
has failed to follow the mysterious methods being
imposed upon the people, because they are not fully
aware as to this mysterious, not mythical, individual
personality disorder of transcensdental Oriental
fundamentalism, with its anti spiritual nature to
absolutely destroy the American Republic. Hand-in-
hand with this transcendentalism is its chief method
used to compel political whores to eat crow. This
little unknown metaphysical implant is known as
GLANDULAR MURDER. Combined, this twin method of
deposing any and all political opposition, brings on
sudden heart attacks and other deaths through causing
specific glands to over react at once. The last book
written on McCarthy mentions that the Senator knew
that he was being killed, but he could not comprehend
the manner used. This was glandular murder. At this
very moment it is being used against any movie star
or politician of whom steps out of line. This is
something like being excommunicated from some
religious denomination and being ostracized.

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By Shenonymous, March 1, 2011 at 1:49 am Link to this comment

Because of my long flowing red hair and my dad’s fleshy cheek pads
and throat pouch, I always thought my ancestors were orangutans,
but no, it was a pair of tree shrews.

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By Tom Edgar, March 1, 2011 at 1:10 am Link to this comment

I can assure you that Shenonymous resides on the same rock as yourself.  I am, fortunately, on the other side of the world.


Far from being a “Help Mate” to “She” I can only wish I had acquired her academic qualifications, or for that matter those of my own daughter. I have actually lectured tertiary and taught secondary, but only in my own “Professional” area. I will grant you are correct in one sentence when referring to yourself.. “Far from an intellect.”

It isn’t only your spelling but the lack of grammar (it isn’t whom, but who you might be) couple that to a complete lack of knowledge in Marine Architecture, and hydrology, then include genealogy.

It is a little amusing that you try to inject yourself into this site to relate with and, apparently, gain from, an association with “Intelligent people”, (your words) but then arrogantly, whilst acknowledging our superior perspicacity, try to lecture us with your childish inane beliefs that are diametrically opposed to our collective, acquired knowledge.

Now this letter was one I started but lost in a power outage so I will try not to duplicate.

Problem Spellers?  That couldn’t be said of Churchill nor Hitler along with their oratory skills at which even Mussolini excelled.  Mohamed PBUH could neither read nor write. As far as we can tell, by the total lack of evidence to the contrary, the same applies to Jesus Christ. It appears that oratory could have well been an attribute of both.
The lack of reading & writing skills does not, of itself, lead to a lack of intelligence, but it does diminish the possibility of gaining knowledge, whilst acknowledging that gaining knowledge doesn’t denote intellectual capacity.

Eisenhower was one General who placed emphasis on the outcome of battles shouldn’t be at the expenditure of an unnecessary & disproportionate loss of troops, unlike Blood and Guts Patton whose only aim appeared to be self glorification and grandstanding.  Bear in mind I am a WW2 participant. Patton the greatest General of WW2??  I think not. Wavell and Montgomery put him in the shade and Field Marshall Rommel was, in my opinion, the best of all. Remember it was the strategy of Montgomery that was instrumental in the victory in North Africa along with Nazi failure in supplies.(Anticipated in his strategy by Montgomery) Oh I forgot, that was before Patton and Eisenhower turned up.

Creator? who created the Creator?

As a somewhat experienced person in maritime matters I can assure you that any intelligent marine architect will know the Ark is fallacious as it is an impossible structure when made from wood.  I have had my figures checked by Hydrologists and I can prove that the flood is equally, if not more so, a fiction.  It just could not happen as depicted in the book of fables “Bible”. One singular depiction that I know from the latter period of my long life
is ludicrous. “A Dove appears with a VINE leaf.” I know of no vine, and I grow both grapes and olives,that would survive even a short period of total inundation.  Both are intolerant of wet feet, and will die if over watered, let alone drowned in salt tainted water. They are both dry climate plants.
Any viticulturist knows he should water with BELOW the leaf irrigation systems, preferably trickle, so as not to saturate the ground nor wet the leaves which encourages fungus and mildew..
Anyone that quotes the Ark or a worldwide diluvian episode is not worthy of considering as suitable company with “Intelligent” people.

When you can PROVE the existence of a Creator, a Heaven, a Hell, and all the other claimed idiocies
Biblically extant then you can stand alone, because you’ll be the first.

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By hogorina, February 28, 2011 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment
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SHENONYMOUS….bet u do not know your ancestral back
ground. One question for U.Do you actually know whom
you might be? Do not come back with that HOMO SAPIENS
SCUTTLE BUTT.I live on a rock called America. How about
you? I’m speaking from Noah’s Ark until the present.

P.S. I sent a note to your help mate, Tom Edgar, but
under the wrong name. please check it out.

Hogorina

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By hogorina, February 27, 2011 at 10:49 pm Link to this comment
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Bart: sorry for the loss of your loved ones. Thanks
for dressing me down. Yes, my spelling is due to
carelesness. As to an intellect, far from that. As
for Aristocratic, no cup of tea for me. For myself,
you and ( She ) or whomever that may be, appear to be
intelligent people, or therwise I would flee this
site.

Your friend accuses me with some mental asylum—-in
fact, my personal asylum is home finding peace and
security and realizing that the glory of God is
intelligence, and that no one can be saved in
ignorance. Some day you’re going to unite with your
lost loved ones.

Several examples of problem spellers—Washington,
Napoleon, and Patton etc;. Moses was not a good
speaker or organizer. but spoke to the twelve tribes
in a manner that Jeffro {?] advised. Patton was the
greatest general of WW11. Of course, you know of
Napoleon.

And then there was Eisenhower, a superb speller and
ruled an army. Yet, one of the lowest scoundrels that
our Creator ever put on mother earth. Which is the
best or worst—crude spelling or killing God’s
children. Wish that you would look over the post that
originated this discussion!

Please Google Hogorina and Hogorita—more awful
spelling. I know that ( She ) will read this, a very
intelligent personality. It would be a pleasure to
converse with both of you. The old saying—if you
cannot fly, don’t mess with the Eagle. or if you and
She cannot stand the heat, then stay away from the
fire.

Please Google Hogorina and Hogorita for bad spelling.
Please have a nice day.

Hogorina

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By Tom Edgar, February 27, 2011 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

Hogorina.  Your pretensions to being an intellectual would be enhanced if you could actually spell. viz: week personalitie.. weak personality.  plus your completely incorrect interpretation of “Aristocracy”.
which is actually a State or Government ruled by an elite or nobility.  A class of people considered to be socially or intellectually superior etc.,...

As I know Shenonymous (you misspelled that too) I can vouch for her intellectual superiority both at a personal level, and academically.

As for Gautama once again you are so far off the mark you haven’t landed an arrow in the paddock containing the target.  The Buddha may have been more than somewhat self centred but he wasn’t a believer in himself nor of any other being, but was always “Searching” for the “Truth” He never taught a belief system let alone one of himself.

You arrogantly claim you only want to get others to THINK.
As my esteemed late wife was wont to say.  “If you don’t want other people to THINK you are a fool. Keep your mouth shut or you will dispel any doubt.”
Or as my late son said, so often. “Put mind into gear before travelling, the route will be clearer.”

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By Shenonymous, February 27, 2011 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

The question is hogorina, what asylum did you escape from?

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By hogorina, February 26, 2011 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment
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AN OPEN SYMPOSIUM WITH EDUCATED MIND BENDERS

Shenonmous falls into her own trap. Give one a free
gassing option and soon a soul reveals inhibited
repressions, of self-hatred towards genuine
aristocracy.

Aristocracy means that one is wise to the ways of the
world. ( She ) falls short on this one.

Incidentally, Gautama’s religion was a belief in him
self.This was his short coming. We notice that this
individual cared less for the life that was pushed
into the back ground. In other words, he had no idea
as to whom he might have been nor descended. Most
people harbor to forget the past. (She) does not know
as to her origins. We have an individual well
equipped with the world around her, but far from
posing as a an aristocrat. Yes, merely an
intellectual philanthropist.

The very nature of my post was to get others to
think. The result was to receive attacks, to be re-
educated, in the field of pseudo liberalism.

Clearly, most liberals hardly ever put their brains
into gear before speaking. The attacks on me were way
off base. Canines and hogs do possess natures pre-
programed existence. With the personalities of
mankind programing does not exist. Of course, as to
religious preferences.

Credit to (She) for an unusual grade of intelligence.
Shame for it being wasted in trying to water down
others with misplaced brilliance, with strange
opinions not looked into, while being programed or
poisoned by liberal frauds in higher education.

Yes, it was gratifying to learn from others with
their opinions and so-called solidified grounding in
a solidness that is not to be questioned. Life would
be more fulfilled if (She) would define clearly in
questioning the opinions of others. In any debate if
a third person fails to take sides then neutrality
always accepts what please such lean-to-
personalities. My only presumption is that ( She ) is
a week personalitie with no strings attached to any
part of life other than playing the middle.

Let me repeat. This so called lady’s stored up
knowledge is a terrific influence in a world that
needs productive advice. Why not put it to good use!
Please have a nice day!

Hogorina

 


 
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