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Scott Ritter, a former Marine intelligence officer, served as a chief weapons inspector for the United Nations in Iraq from 1991 to 1998. He is the author, most recently, of "Target Iran: The Truth About the White House's Plans for Regime Change" (Nation Books).






 
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Scott Ritter: Calling Out Idiot America

The ongoing hand-wringing in Congress by the newly empowered Democrats over what to do about the war in Iraq speaks volumes about the level of concern (or lack thereof) these “representatives of the people” have toward the men and women who honor us all by serving in the armed forces of the United States of America.  The inability to reach consensus concerning the level of funding required or how to exercise effective oversight of the war, both constitutionally mandated responsibilities, is more a reflection of congressional cowardice and impotence than a byproduct of any heartfelt introspection over troop welfare and national security.

The issues that prompt the congressional collective to behave in such an egregious manner have more to do with a reflexive tendency to avoid any controversy that might disrupt the status quo ante regarding representative-constituent relations (i.e., re-election) than with any intellectual debate about doing the right thing.  This sickening trend is bipartisan in nature, but of particular shame to the Democrats, who obtained their majority from an electorate that expressed dissatisfaction with the progress of the war in Iraq through their votes, demanding that something be done.

Sadly, Congress’ smoke-and-mirrors approach to the Iraq war creates the impression of much activity while generating no result.  Even more sadly, the majority of Americans are falling for the act, either by continuing their past trend of political disengagement or by thinking that the gesticulation and pontification taking place in Washington, D.C., actually translate into useful work.  The fact is, most Americans are ill-placed intellectually, either through genuine ignorance, a lack of curiosity or a combination of both, to judge for themselves the efficacy of congressional behavior when it comes to Iraq.  Congress claims to be searching for a solution to Iraq, and many Americans simply accept that this is this case. 

The fact is one cannot begin to search for a solution to a problem that has yet to be accurately defined.  We speak of “surges,” “stability” and “funding” as if these terms come close to addressing the real problems faced in Iraq.  There is widespread recognition among members of Congress and the American people that there is civil unrest in Iraq today, with Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence tearing that country apart, but the depth of analysis rarely goes beyond that obvious statement of fact.  Americans might be able to nod their heads knowingly if one utters the words Sunni, Shiite and Kurd, but very few could take the conversation much further down the path of genuine comprehension regarding the interrelationships among these three groups.  And yet we, the people, are expected to be able to hold to account those whom we elected to represent us in higher office, those making the decisions regarding the war in Iraq.  How can the ignorant accomplish this task?  And ignorance is not something uniquely attached to the American public.  Rep. Silvestre Reyes, the newly appointed chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, infamously failed a pop quiz in which journalist Jeff Stein asked him to differentiate between Sunni and Shiite.  Reyes has become the poster boy for congressional stupidity, but in truth he is not alone.  Very few of his colleagues could pass the test, truth be told.

The task of holding Congress to account is a daunting one, and can be accomplished only if the citizenry that forms the respective constituencies of our ignorant congressional representatives are themselves able to operate at an intellectual capacity above that of those they are holding to account.  So rather than issue “pop quizzes” to our elected representatives, I’ve designed one for us, the people.  If the reader can fully answer the question raised, then he or she qualifies as one capable of pointing an accusatory finger at Congress as its members dither over what to do in Iraq.  If the reader fails the quiz, then there should be an honest appraisal of the reality that we are in way over our heads regarding this war, and that it is irresponsible for anyone to make sweeping judgments about the ramifications of policy courses of action yet to be agreed upon.  Claiming to be able to divine a solution to a problem improperly defined is not only ignorant but dangerously delusional.

So here is the quiz:  Explain the relationship between the Iraqi cities of Karbala and Baghdad as they impact the coexistence of Iraq’s Shiite and Sunni populations.

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By Ernest Canning, October 3, 2007 at 12:39 pm #
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To Michael Shaw and Guido:  There are reasons why the Bush administration invaded Iraq.  These are listed in my earlier post (102823).  These reasons, which can be summarized by the words “imperial conquest,” “never” included bringing democracy or freedom to Iraq and its people.  That is unless you are prepared to accept one of the three major slogan’s from Orwell’s “1984"--"WAR IS PEACE,” “FREEDOM IS SLAVERY” or “IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.”

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 3, 2007 at 11:02 am #
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#104295 by Guido on 10/03 at 3:13 am: “...Beyond the religious cross currents traversing the Arabian peninsula, there are even more important social customs and traditions that add to the difficulty of establishing a Western style democracy in the Middle East.

Amongst the countless customs that preclude democracy, the lack of definition of the individual is the most fundamental....”

People have supplanted the idea of ‘freedom’ with a superficial catchcry for ‘democracy’. People have forgotten that, in the West, democracy was originally merely a mechanism for preventing or ending their own compulsive addiction to civil wars in the past.

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By Guido, October 3, 2007 at 3:13 am #
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Mr. Ritter makes an excellent point on which I would like to expand.

Beyond the religious cross currents traversing the Arabian peninsula, there are even more important social customs and traditions that add to the difficulty of establishing a Western style democracy in the Middle East.

Amongst the countless customs that preclude democracy, the lack of definition of the individual is the most fundamental.

In Arab society the individual is not recognized if not within the context of his extended family. This simple fact, denies one of the pillars unto which democracy is based.

Guido

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By John Borowski, October 2, 2007 at 4:26 am #
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We are in a bad situation (The British call it sticky) in Iraq. With billions of dollars spent on the war in Iraq we have nothing to show for it except boxes brought back to Delaware. The Republicans (Aka Conservative right-wingers) have put us into a proverbial “roach-motel”. Once we get in there we can’t get out.  We stay and spend billions for little gain (Except for the robber baron crowd) and more dead soldiers. We leave Iraq and it will only encourage still more small countries to challenge us.

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By Ernest Canning, September 26, 2007 at 4:07 pm #
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Sorry, CrossHair but your rant misses the mark.  The war in Iraq is precisely what the Neocon Project for a New American Century said it would be--imperial conquest intended to secure a permanent base of operations for the extension of U.S. hegemony over the whole of the oil rich Middle East.  Secondarily, it is designed to secure the goals of what Naomi Klein refers to as the “disaster capitalism complex.” She notes that the “ultimate goal for the corporations at the center of the complex is to bring the model of for-profit government...into the ordinary and day-to-day functioning of the state--in effect, to privatize the gtovernment....The role of the government in this unending war is not that of an administrator managing a network of of contractors but of a deep-pocketed venture capitalist, both providing the seed money for the complex’s creation and becoming the biggest customer for its new services.”

As noted by the Nation magazine, “an Iraqi is killed every ten minutes and an American soldier every ten hours.  And every ten days, $2 billion is taken from our Treasury and pumped into the coffers of Blackwater, Halliburton and other war profiteers.”

By now most Americans understand that this war was never about WMD, links between Saddam & al Qaeda-9/11.  Many Americans are beginning to understand that it was also not about bringing democracy and freedom to Iraq.  As he departed, Paul Bremer imposed 100 edicts ranging from total immunity from Iraqi laws for all coalition forces and contrators, including the Blackwater mercenaries, to a complete take over of Iraq’s economy by foreign corporations who have no obligation to hire Iraqis and can withdraw capital at their leisure.  At the eleventh hour, all 100 edicts were written into the final draft of the Iraqi Constitution by Ambassador Khalizad and a few hand-picked Iraqis so that when 9.8 million Iraqis went to the polls in October, 2005 they ratified a constitution only a select few had seen--a constitution that makes claims of Iraqi “sovereignty” a complete sham.

This war was “never” about preventing genocide.  To the contrary, part of the imperial divide-and-conquer strategy was to exploit sectarian differences by first funding Shiite militias, with former Ambassador Negroponte importing the notorious “Salvador option"--a tried and true method of death squad terror to control a subject population used previously by U.S.-trained military allies in Central America.  More recently, the U.S. has funded former Sunni insurgents who have put their funds to use in carrying out ethnic cleansing of Shiites.

Where the issue of “power” comes in is here in the U.S. where the administration has parlayed a fear-driven, Orwellian “war on terror” into an assault on the separation of powers and civil liberties while seeking to create a “Unitary Executive” of unlimited dictatorial power.

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By Conservative Yankee, September 26, 2007 at 2:04 pm #
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102775 by CrossHair on 9/26 at 12:40 pm

“Wake up.  REALLY WAKE UP.  And think...without jumping to conclusions that even Scott is not infallible from.”

I’m awake.

I disagree

Great sentence structure.

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By CrossHair, September 26, 2007 at 12:40 pm #
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Quick points.

1.  I thank Scott Ritter for the concise history which was covered. I’ll be sure and verify results independantly to weed out personal flavors.

2.  I do not conclude from the history rundown that American Soldiers in the region are to blame for escalation, only an opportunity by the Wahhabi’s to influence people who are not in their right mind anyways.  The US is not going around setting off bombs. The Wahhabi’s and likely Iran are both funding and providing supplies (including bodies) in hopes of conquest over Iraq for both its religious significance as well as its oil.

3.  This is about Power.  The US seeks to reshape the power structure in the region. Iran wishes to instill its religious and political power there, Saudi Arabia wishes to instill its religious and political power there.  The original split of Islam was over POWER over the PEOPLE.  ISLAM has a total of 3 Power Basis all competing for control of the faithful - not unlike Catholics and Protestants fighting in Ireland.

4.  People United Stand, Divided they fall:  Its amazing to hear the fear spewed by people who want to see America Punished and believe we are to blame for centuries of Bloody, Violent Warfare in that Region long before USA was ever created.  How about this folks.  How about wishing for the “PEOPLE” to unite and overthrow their religious dictators!.  Sunni and Shia families are kind, caring and loving families that relate to each other at the personal family levels. It is the Powers over those faiths that are at war. 

Finally, Oh Sh*t....did you ever consider how powerful AMERICA is when it stands together??? Instead of bickering in the streets, in Congress or on website forums?  Lol.  You guys crack me up.

So look.  I appreciate Scott putting this out so that a more informed discussion can take place.  And I also agree that we need to define the problem.  However, to define a problem...you have to first have to define what your goal is first.  If I want to grow oranges and conclude the ground is not furtile because I planted grapes instead of oranges.

Based on the possible or likely Power change that the Bush administration is attempting to establish and solidify, what then are the problems that block it from occurring NOW.  Simply pointing to History and saying that we don’t understand and should pull the troops out....is a choice action.  What you should be equally asking yourself is this.  If pulling the troops out is a means of correcting a “Problem” based on ignorace of history...what is the end result and goal that you think will take place at this time by their prompt removal?  Are you going to rationalize the waves of Iranian Shias or Wahhabi’s who would come into Iraq and kill all in their path?  Remember folks, they have already sworn to kill the unfaithful..what we are doing in part is to prevent that.  Absence from the scene only continues the play.

We send American troops to Bosnia and other parts of the world to stop or prevent genocide, do you think so little of the Middle East that you would not see the same happening there, has already happened under Saddam Hussein and consider your hands clean. 

Wake up.  REALLY WAKE UP.  And think...without jumping to conclusions that even Scott is not infallible from.

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By Pastor Ted, September 22, 2007 at 12:25 pm #
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Look on the face of the Arbusto regime, and, if you don’t turn into a Moonie, remember it well. Because this is what we’re up against, in America: an evil that is almost demonic in its pure malevolence, a dark destructive spirit that feeds on pain and is animated by the will to crush its enemies underfoot. This is the face of an enemy that _must_ be defeated.

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By Anne, September 20, 2007 at 12:43 pm #
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It apparrent that those that wrote Project for A New American Century, the Bush administration and even the corporations involved in the Iraq fiasco never bothered to delve into the history of middle east as Scott Ritter has done.  It is also obvious that had they done so, we wouldn’t be in the middle of this mess with so much death.  Now I wonder how many Americans will bother with it either and still say we should ‘stay the course’.  It would be nice if just one major news network would cover it as well as Scott did , since the only way the majority of Americans would ever hear of it would be to have it presented ‘intertainingly’ on t.v.  “Know thy enemy” once used to be one of the major standards for being sucessful in going to war.  It seems that the advance of war technology using impersonal bombs and missles has erased the mental ability to begin to know what one is getting into, much less to comprehend their enemy.

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By Lisa, September 18, 2007 at 8:38 am #
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Good Grief folks stop complaing and DO something! We as Americans do have POWER we put these idiots in office so start speaking UP! And STOP complaining and doing NOTHING!

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By Conservative Yankee, September 16, 2007 at 12:38 pm #
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100742 by hippy pam on 9/16 at 11:43 am

“HEY-I SEE THERE ARE ANTI-WAR PROTESTERS...WHEN THE P.T.Bs. NEEDED TO GET OUT OF VIET-NAM....THEY GOT PEOPLE TO PROTEST...NOW THE BUSH*T BUNCH CAN “PULL OUT DUE TO THE UNPOPULARITY” AND “SAVE FACE”..NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN NAM..”

Somebody, anybody, saved face during Vietnam?  When, who, and how?

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By MizBurns, September 16, 2007 at 12:17 pm #
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Everybody’s beating a dead horse.  What is left to be said about our having gotten into and the prospects for getting out of Iraq?  Short of a bloody revolution, the status quo will prevail, ad infinitum.  And Americans will never revolt.  The country is too vast, too varied, too comfortable, and it would be impossible to unite a sufficient numbr of people to a single cause.  Sorry to be pessimistic, but when we have a Congress reluctant to impeach a team of traitors and criminals, there is no viable remedy.  All the jawboning in the world is not going to solve anything, and unless demonstrations succeed in shutting down D.C., they will remain ineffective.  Sorry.  That’s just the way it is.

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By hippy pam, September 16, 2007 at 11:43 am #
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HEY-I SEE THERE ARE ANTI-WAR PROTESTERS...WHEN THE P.T.Bs. NEEDED TO GET OUT OF VIET-NAM....THEY GOT PEOPLE TO PROTEST...NOW THE BUSH*T BUNCH CAN “PULL OUT DUE TO THE UNPOPULARITY” AND “SAVE FACE”..NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN NAM...I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHY NONE OF HIS OR HIS BUDDIES KIDS ARE FIGHTING “OVER THERE”????MAYBE THAT IS WHY HE IS REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TROOPS.MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE ARE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION???WHY AREN’T HIS KIDS IN THE SERVICE?ARE THEY TO GOOD TO SERVE?

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By 1drees, September 14, 2007 at 9:10 pm #
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INtresting to note that the “RED WHITE & BLUE FLU” on sept 11 2007 went by so snmooth that nobody even noticed it. GOOD going USA now we are certain that some desperately needed changes are certainhly never goign to come, which convinces me that teh people who call the American people as “Sheeple” are very right.

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By Conservative Yankee, September 13, 2007 at 4:18 am #
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100138 by hippy pam on 9/13 at 3:37 am

“WHEN THE SHIITES AND THE SUNNIS FIGURE OUT THAT “UNITED THEY STAND-DIVIDED THEY FALL”.....IF THEY EVER STAND TOGETHER...”

As likely as Joan Blades and Wes Boyd’s Move-on and Pat Robinson’s rabid right joining hands and singing “We shall overcome”

There are some splits that are just not joinable. 

Genocide from both sides against the other contribute to the annomosity, but it goes far deeper, and the story reads like the bible.

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By hippy pam, September 13, 2007 at 3:37 am #
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WE WILL BE IN A WORLD OF SH*T WHEN THE SHIITES AND THE SUNNIS FIGURE OUT THAT “UNITED THEY STAND-DIVIDED THEY FALL”.....IF THEY EVER STAND TOGETHER-OUR TROOPS WILL BE IN DEEP DOODOO..OUR LEADERS WILL STILL BE SAFE THO...THEY AIN’T PUTTIN’ THEMSELVES ON THE LINE…

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By rangertommy, September 12, 2007 at 11:23 am #
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Scott Ritter Wrote: “A pop quiz, consisting of one question in two parts.  Most readers might complain that it is not realistic to expect mainstream America to possess the knowledge necessary to achieve the level of comprehension required to pass this quiz.  I agree.  However, since the mission of the United States in Iraq has shifted from disarming Saddam to installing democracy to creating stability, I think it only fair that the American people be asked about those elements that are most relevant to the issue, namely the Shiite and Sunni faithful and how they interact with one another.”

Here’s my question: What business did the U.S. Government have deciding to topple Saddam when it didn’t understand the most basic things about the religious and social makeup of Iraq?  What business did (and does) the citizenry of the U.S. have in supporting that about which it did not have a clue?  “We don’t understand squat about them crazies over there in I-rack, but it’s clear we gotta bomb the crap out of ‘em!!” Or there’s Bush, upon hearing for the first time that there were Sunnis and Shiites: “I thought they were Muslims.”

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By Anthony, September 11, 2007 at 12:10 am #
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Most people are knowledgable.  Its just they aren’t knowledgable about politics, religions they aren’t apart of, economics, and etc.  Everyone is knowledgable; it just isn’t the knowledge you think they should have. 

The Iraq civil war in a nut shell.  Shites are 65-70% of the population, and with a commanding majority, everyone in the minority, sunnis/kurds, feels they are getting the shaft, which they are. They also have no hope of ever governing their country, because of the population imbalance and a two party system.  The shites and sunnis can’t compromise, because their religions don’t allow it.  So they kill each other, because of the power struggle.  With the US defending the shite government, sunnis can only rebel, by using IEDs. The only way for a compromise to happen is the shite government and sunni minority get sick of killing each other and compromise which may never happen, or the shites or sunnis genocide the other.  The best compromise is to have the nation split oil revenue and all assets of the nation by population percentage.  Let the sunnis govern themselves.

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By Mia, September 8, 2007 at 10:34 pm #
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Well, I guess I shouldn’t comment on this site, then.  I’m too ignorant.  Puhleeze.  Why do I need to know all this stuff about the Middle East? Is there a new Trivial Pursuit Game out?  When I go out and get my federally mandated Real ID, am I going to be quizzed on this?  Is this website a front for the federal surveillance program?  No, I’m not gay. I have sex at least 3 times a month.  I haven’t read any porn lately.  What other meaningless stuff do you want to know about me that supposedly will improve our nation’s security?  It’s 2:05 in the morning.  I’m waiting for my caffeine to wear off. I picked your website by random.  I was actually researching Michael Moore’s Sicko.  People are suffering here in the U.S.  If the government was capable of providing a smidgen of leadership in cleaning up Louisiana, I would be convinced that we should stay in Iraq.  And with a more competent administration.

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By nappyblack, September 5, 2007 at 12:54 pm #
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Dear Conservative Yankee: THANK YOU DEARLY, SIR!!! You have reminded me and the rest of these writers - many of them in their own right too ignorant to have made a cursory investigation of a more whole truth - and Scott Ritter of America’s Untold [Slave] Labor Story and history of incidents where business owners have used any cheap labor they can get (and not insure) to harvest crops, mine coal, and sew garments! I will reserve further comment on Mr. Ritter’s story later.

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By Conservative Yankee, September 4, 2007 at 5:47 am #
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97941 by Harold J macek on 8/31 at 11:12 am

“For fifty years no one complained about illegal scab labor.”

What fifty years was that? In the Seventies Caesar Chavez complained bitterly about the illegal labor from the south being used to break his UFW.In the 40’s and 50’s the KKK marched here in Maine to prevent illegal French Canadians from taking lumbering jobs. In the 1930’s The UAW complained about Ford’s propensity to import labor from Cuba and the DR to break strikes.  In the 20’s restaurant workers in California found their wages being trimmed because illegal Mexicans worked for less money. Before the teens, there were no restrictions on foreign labor.

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By Renfro, September 3, 2007 at 7:57 pm #
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This physics student knows with absolute certainty that Idiot Ritter is running off at the mouth as if he believes that “jet fuel” [sic] and gravity could have caused the WTC to disintegrate as it free-fell downward, which is absurd, ludicrous, ridiculous, and impossible.

Clearly, someone has the ability to unleash unimaginably intense energy without a whole lot of nasty radiation, which comprises a real energy breakthrough (one we’re obviously supposed to be too shocked and awed to notice, however).

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By Harold J macek, August 31, 2007 at 11:12 am #
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For fifty years no one complained about illegal scab labor..until---our politicians in their quest for votes decided to award them our social security..This after many hospitals had to close there E,R. rooms because of illegal scab laborers who could not pay thier bills..illegals are just scab labor..no more, no less..The companys who use them are depending on the taxpayers of this country to support its workers..with welfare, and health insurance..paid for by the legal taxpayers of this country..immigants from European nations not only pay thier way, they learn english..

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By Debra, August 31, 2007 at 7:10 am #
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Scott Ritter seems to say that if Americans are to express any opinion at all on the current debacle in Iraq, they must first demonstrate a level of knowledge about the varied strains of Islam far beyond that of many well-educated Muslims.  (I was educated in Catholic schools from first to twelfth grade--ask me about Albigensianism and get a sputter.)
The people can see that the war was begun and prosecuted with no understanding of the history of the Iraqi people or the wars within and around Islam itself.  We don’t need to attain Ritter’s level of expertise to see that it’s time to get out.

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By Michael Shaw, August 25, 2007 at 5:20 pm #
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95591 Aaron, what’s one sided is the “inside the beltway” major media that has supported this president and his illegal actions practically every step of the way and who somehow always manage to sidestep reporting any real points of significance but instead use payrolled pundits and so called experts to spew us what they call the undeniable truth.

This site contains alternative media, plain and simple, media that reports what the corporate media won’t and from actual journalists. There are no Krauthammer’s or Novak’s in here.

Though I agree with you to a point there is little difference between some democrats and republicans or most politicians for that matter, the bottom line is you’re in the wrong place if you’re looking for a George Bush cheer-leading squad. You would serve yourself better with News Max or perhaps a copy of Stars and Stripes.

As for blaming Bush for everything goes, there is nothing wrong with placing blame at the top since those at the top are ultimately responsible. Just ask Bill Clinton a few years back. That was when placing the blame on the top was very popular, especially in right wing circles.

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By Michael Shaw, August 25, 2007 at 4:31 pm #
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95649. Well the fact of the matter stands that Scott Ritter was right about no weapons of mass destruction and those accusations that he was being paid by the enemy are as flimsy as were the accusations that were made on flimsy intelligence about an Iraqi visiting the same hotel in France an al Quiada member did, that suddenly “proving” Saddam had ties to 9/11.

Ritter received 400,000 dollars in funding to make a film documentary from an Iraqi American businessman and now suddenly he’s a traitor? Well that must make Reagan one too for supplying arms to Iran during the Iran/Contra scandal after he himself helped promote a law banning US companies in doing business with them. This Iraqi American, Shaker Al Khaffiji was involved illegally in the oil for food program. So were several Israeli and American banks and businessmen and UN officials. Since when do the actions of one suddenly become the actions of another? Only when the neocons say so? The fact the government took no action against Ritter is proof enough he wasn’t aiding the enemy. If he were his ass would have been hanging from a flag pole.

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By Michael Shaw, August 25, 2007 at 4:09 pm #
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96843 Hi June. I know they’ve been arming Shiites and we know about the new arms deal going to Saudi Arabia where 50% of the insurgent fighters in Iraq are coming from. Frankly I think your right! Our largest export has always been weapons. In fact today it’s practically our only export. Now with the perpetual war on terror rolling along, its a dream come true for the munitions manufacturers!

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By June, August 25, 2007 at 9:46 am #
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A recent news article revealed that the US is now arming the Sunnis big time.  You would think that the way to end the civil conflict in Iraq would be to DISarm everybody, wouldn’t you?  But that would make too much sense and also deprive our monstrous weapons industry of some potential sales, ergo profit. Let’s face it: we’re in the business of promoting war anywhere we can to shore up our economy.  Turning swords into plowshares is not part of the religious (read political) agenda in this country.

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By Ernest Canning, August 17, 2007 at 4:14 pm #
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Hate to disagree with a fellow VietnamVet, but you overstated the percentage who still support the dissembling fascist who presently goes by the title “President of the United States.” It’s dropped all the way to 26%.

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By eczinege, August 17, 2007 at 8:48 am #
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Scott Ritter was accused by the Bush adm./Rowe/of accepting 200K dollars form Saddam Hussein in order to claim that he deas not have WMD.
Scott was angry at that time.He was on CNN.It was the same type of accusation as Valerie Plames.Accepting money from tghe enemy is treason .Is not it.This is an other exemple of false accusations and its criminal.If anyone knows did Scott Ritter take any legal action against the goverment?

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By VietnamVet, August 17, 2007 at 8:10 am #
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RE: #95591 by Aaron on 8/16 at 9:32 pm

Good try! My question to you is similar to yours:
What makes you an authority on what Bush is NOT? There is far more PUBLISHED information on what he IS than what he IS NOT. Of course, 30 percenters like you just refuse to believe what they read and what the evidence points to.

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By Aaron, August 16, 2007 at 9:32 pm #
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I love how most of you like to blame everything on President Bush.  What makes you the experts on him?  Do you honestly think that all of what you read on this pathetic website actually is truthful and honest.  It is so one-sided.  Let me guess some of you think Pres. Bush, knew about 9/11, or he is such a little hitler?  To those of you who believe those things you are just out there to have the man and blame all the problems on him.  Remember, as of right know the dems in congress have even a lower approval rating than the president. Yeah, the good ole’ dems who by the way, mostly voted for the war, must be little hitlers and terrorists too!

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By 1drees, August 16, 2007 at 4:43 pm #
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USA is far far away from being a perfect land for its people BUT that is not the problem that the people of the world worry about, the problem is that USA keeps attacking & destroying other people for no evident reason or logic. AND soon unfortunately Americans might be subject to a martial law like condition or maybe they already are ( me hates martial law and shits like that so i sympathise with the people)
BUT comming soon is the North American Union which would incorporate Canada and Mexico into this bloody nightmare already unfolding in the USA, so i see that the govt is still busy exporting negative influences to others even now. (such as mk77 bombs,daily depleted uranium showerss, meddling in other’s selection of leaders eg as with Hamas or the choice of Iraqi people, etc etc, frankly speaking americans are OBNOXIOUS as a people and especially govt)
Funny that all americans keep saying that i do not support my government in all its evil deeds, so friends tell me if you all never support it all then how come it just keeps on happenning & happenning and supposing it’s only a marginal percentage of Zionist stupidos then what kind of a Democracy or Freedom have you all had so far, i mean its obvious that if you dont support your govt then how can it keep doing what it keeps doing.

Just a brief comparison with “the pathetic 3rd world couuntry of Pakistan” Bush declares himself the “decider” and says he replies to no one nobody was able to dare to question him. Musharraf pulls the same george bush move in pakistan and the Supreme Court issued him a notice that since he is human afterall therefore he will respond to queries as and when they arise and as needed by the Supreme Court. THEN Bush fired 8 judges and US courts threw out their appeal to be reinstated. Musharraf tried to fire one judge and the Supreme Court restored him.

So much for your brand of Democracy being the most superior in the world, you dimwits need to wake the hell up and see yourself as you goyims actually are. not so free and not so powerful as citizens BUT with surely a tremendously dangerous armed forces that keep killing any people that the Zionist want killed for their monetary benefits.

My fav political song of this age, American Idiot by Greenday
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N0XVpXQ9OtM

baske yourself in the sounds of the American idiots beat

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By Michael Shaw, August 14, 2007 at 6:17 pm #
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Who are you talking about, those 71 republicrats who just sold the 4th amendment down the river?

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By againstneocons, August 14, 2007 at 1:06 pm #
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_QshS2EW8

Was It Really Worth It, Mrs. Albright?
THE PRICE

By Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair

What moved those kamikaze Muslims to embark, some many months ago on the training that they knew would culminate in their deaths as well of those (they must have hoped) of thousands upon thousands of innocent people? Was it the Koran plus a tape from Osama bin Laden? The dream of a world in which all men wear untrimmed beards and women have to stay at home or go outside only when enveloped in blue tents? I doubt it. If I had to cite what steeled their resolve the list would surely include the exchange on CBS in 1996 between [Bill Clinton’s (Zionist) Secretary of State] Madeleine Albright and then US ambassador to the United Nations and Lesley Stahl. Albright was maintaining that sanctions had yielded important concessions from Saddam Hussein.

Stahl: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And you know, is the price worth it?”

Albright: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price ­ we think

the price is worth it.”

They read that exchange in the Middle East. It was infamous all over the Arab world. I’ll bet the September 11 kamikazes knew it well enough, just as they could tell you the crimes wrought against the Palestinians. So would it be unfair today to take Madeleine Albright down to the ruins of the Trade Towers, remind her of that exchange, and point out that the price turned out also to include that awful mortuary. Was that price worth it too, Mrs. Albright?

Well, the typists and messenger boys and back-office staffs throughout the Trade Center didn’t know that history. There’s a lot of other relevant history they probably didn’t know but which those men on the attack planes did. How could those people in the Towers have known, when US political and journalistic culture is a conspiracy to perpetuate their ignorance? Those people on the Towers were innocent portions of the price that Albright insisted, in just one of its applications, as being worth it. It would honor their memory to insist that in future our press offers a better accounting of how America’s wars for Freedom are fought and what the actual price might include.

SOURCE : http://www.counterpunch.com

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By Michael Shaw, August 12, 2007 at 11:13 am #
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94085 Claude, I have a friend who also served in WW2 in the Pacific. He feels the same as you do and also remembers Hitler. When he sees a guy like Bush he scratches his heading wondering why in the hell we even bothered to fight fascism in the first place!

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By Skruff, August 12, 2007 at 5:49 am #
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“gavel was slammed before all the votes were tallied”

No, the tally board (done with lites nexxt to names) clearly showed 215-213 to kill the measure.

an illegal “reconsideration” allows time for exactly the bought&paid;-for representation you have bemoaned in other posts. How much is a “face saving” vote worth here?

AND in case you haven’t been watching the Democratic leadership (In League with Bush and McCain) have been attempting to shove this amnestey and attached perks for illegals legislation down the throats of citizens despite a 70% majority favoring expulsion.

The argument of the pro “let-em-all-in” crowd has been “they’re good for the economy because they are doing jobs US citizens will not do” If they are here to work, why do they need welfare? Food stamps?

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By Claude, August 11, 2007 at 5:52 pm #
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Lets start by saying citizens of the USofA are as good as the citizens of any other country on the face of the planet. Lets finish by saying that the more I know and hear about this George Bush guy the more I remember Adolf Hitler and the second world war and yes, I’m old enough to remember those days.

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By Michael Shaw, August 11, 2007 at 4:25 pm #
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94017 Well Recon I also like Scott Ritter. It took great courage for him to come forth when he did, standing alone at a time when the entire nation was gung-ho over invading Iraq. No one can doubt or question the courage of a US Marine in any circumstance and that would certainly include Scott Ritter.

There’s an interesting film out there where Ritter posts commentary called Hi-Jacking Catastrophe. I don’t know if you’ve seen it before but it’s certainly worth the watch. Especially if you can’t stand George W. Bush.

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By Michael Shaw, August 11, 2007 at 4:15 pm #
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93920

Well Skruff, the fact is this has never happened before. However the vote was very close and there were obvious discrepancies. Calling for a re-vote in such a circumstance is not being out of order since the democrats believed the vote had failed due to a 214-214 count. Thus if the gavel slammed (as it did), the measure would have failed(as it did). End of story! The democrats however were willing to go to a re-vote which of course could mean that it would have been passed rather than failed. The real problem here was that the gavel was slammed before all the votes were tallied. I’d call that an act in human error, especially since the democrats were in a hurry to pass several measures before they took their fall break. Obviously in this instance they were a bit too fast. But to call it an act of fascism is way off line. An act in fascism wouldn’t have offered a re-vote.

Personally, I believe the final vote should not stand as is. But I also think the only rational way out of this is a re-vote since the democrats called it 214-214 and the republicans called it 215-213.

By calling on sweeping Watergate like investigations over what was more than likely a simple blunder is a waste of time and other more important issues are at hand, including homeland security measures. Shall we simply give way to all of the business at hand for petty investigations that will take forever and amount to nothing? Give the republicans their re-vote and lets move along.

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By Recon, August 11, 2007 at 12:43 pm #
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Michael Shaw:

Thanks for taking the time to respond.  I’ll read it, digest it and discuss it with my friends.  I already e-mailed it to them.  I don’t know why, but I like Ritter. As a former Marine, I like Marines who step outside the stereotype, ala Smedley Butler.

Thanks again.

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By Skruff, August 11, 2007 at 5:09 am #
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93788 by Michael Shaw on 8/10 at 4:09 pm

“They could have done the re-vote.”

But that’s not how the “rules” read.  when the gavel hits the podium the board vote is final. You are correct however in your assessment that “The Republicans did it when they were in power” Unfortunately I thought the 2006 vote was for a change… my bad.

Funny, “liberals” who hate the lable “liberal” and blame conservatives for the word’s overuse have now taken the same position (mirror-image) on the use of “neo-con”

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By Michael Shaw, August 10, 2007 at 4:48 pm #
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More pomp over the vote controversy. I call the whole thing stonewalling.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2 007/08/03/AR2007080300878.html

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By Michael Shaw, August 10, 2007 at 4:09 pm #
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93746 I’ve seen the clip. There’s no urban legend here beyond the one the neocons have created over this. They could have done a re vote but they didn’t. Instead they went off like a bunch of crybabies, stomping and kicking like juveniles. They could have done the re-vote. The democrats were willing to allow that so all your talk of fascism here is ludicrous.

I would in fact say that offering a re-vote was pretty generous of the democrats since when the GOP were in charge, democrats were often locked out of the vote entirely and not even allowed to participate in the discussion.

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By Skruff, August 10, 2007 at 12:02 pm #
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93733 by Michael Shaw on 8/10 at 10:41 am

Guess it’s just one of those things that will remain an “urban legend to all but those who actually saw the vote tally board when the gavel hit the podium.

The Democrats are NOT umpires, and the rules clearly state that the vote at the gavel is the actual vote, not a time for the party of jefferson to walk around the room twisting arms, offering favors, and in general subverting any form of legality left in Washington.

I don’t have to convince any one of what I observed on C-Span, AND in this case the D’s were wrong.

ALSO what kind of half-assed politician gives benefits of citizenship to criminal interlopers?

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By Michael Shaw, August 10, 2007 at 10:41 am #
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92490 Well Skruff I read the blog you sent which in essence only told half of the story. And as we always know there is always more than one side to any story.

According to CBS news, Hoyer offered a re-vote but the republicans starting yelling foul and walked out of the proceedings. This hardly constitutes a dictatorship on the part of democrats. It looks more like bad behavior from the republicans.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/03/politics/pol itico/main3130820.shtml

“Details remain fuzzy, but numerous Republicans argued afterward that they had secured a 215-213 win on their motion to bar undocumented immigrants from receiving any federal funds apportioned in the agricultural spending bill for employment or rental assistance. Democrats, however, argued the measure was deadlocked at 214-214 and failed, members and aides on both sides of the aisle said afterward.

One GOP aide saw McNulty gavel the vote to a close after receiving a signal from his leaders – but before reading the official tally. And votes continued to shift even after he closed the roll call - a strange development in itself.

Whatever the final tally, acrimony quickly exploded between lawmakers on either side of the aisle as Democratic leaders tried to plot a solution, while parliamentarians on either side argued over protocol.

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md., eventually offered a motion to reconsider, according to floor staff on either side, ostensibly giving members a chance to recast their votes. But the maneuver sparked a chorus of angry protests from the Republicans, yelling “shame” on Democrats, while they returned fire with angry volleys of their own.”

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By Michael Shaw, August 10, 2007 at 9:38 am #
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Actually Recon when Ritter was in country he was particularly frustrated by Saddam, the UN and the United States for making, what he thought things too difficult for him to do his job because no one in his view was cooperating with the UN resolution.

This comes from wikipedia:
Prior to the US invasion of Iraq in March, 2003, Ritter repeatedly stated that Iraq possessed no significant weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). Because of the prevailing political climate in the United States at the time, Ritter was widely condemned for this position, which later proved to be largely accurate.

In 1998 on The News hour with Jim Lehrer he did say the following:

“I think the danger right now is that without effective inspections, without effective monitoring, Iraq can in a very short period of time measured in months, reconstitute chemical and biological weapons, long-range ballistic missiles to deliver these weapons, and even certain aspects of their nuclear weaponization program”

We also have to bear in mind that Saddam himself at the time was saying himself he had weapons of mass destruction mostly out of fear of being invaded by Iran.

Ritter said this in his letter of resignation:

“The investigations had come to a standstill, we’re making no effective progress, and in order to make effective progress, we really needed the Security Council to step in a meaningful fashion and seek to enforce its resolutions that we’re not complying with”

He said he was resigning out of frustration that the United Nations Security Council, and the United States as its most significant supporter, was failing to enforce the post-Gulf War resolutions designed to disarm Iraq.”

This however comes from a 2002 interview:
There’s no doubt Iraq hasn’t fully complied with its disarmament obligations as set forth by the Security Council in its resolution. But on the other hand, since 1998 Iraq has been fundamentally disarmed: 90-95% of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction capacity has been verifiably eliminated… We have to remember that this missing 5-10% doesn’t necessarily constitute a threat… It constitutes bits and pieces of a weapons program which in its totality doesn’t amount to much, but which is still prohibited… We can’t give Iraq a clean bill of health, therefore we can’t close the book on their weapons of mass destruction. But simultaneously, we can’t reasonably talk about Iraqi non-compliance as representing a de-facto retention of a prohibited capacity worthy of war.

We eliminated the nuclear program, and for Iraq to have reconstituted it would require undertaking activities that would have been eminently detectable by intelligence services. (page 32)

If Iraq were producing [chemical] weapons today, we’d have proof, pure and simple. (page 37)

As of December 1998 we had no evidence Iraq had retained biological weapons, nor that they were working on any. In fact, we had a lot of evidence to suggest Iraq was in compliance. (page 46)[7]

In the Pitt interview, Ritter also remarked on several examples of members of the Bush or Clinton administration making statements he knew to be misleading or false with regard to Iraqi WMD’s

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By Rick, August 9, 2007 at 9:14 pm #
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I don’t believe in a god....have no country and consider mankind’s presence on this earth an abherration ....all that said ...i have to add that considering the educational resources available to the average person living in this country ......you all are a pretty moronic lot.....yep..i live in america!...ha ha...isn’t that a continent?...don’t them mexicans speak mexican....i just love it...one day ...the true heirs to the world will take over...no god...no heaven...no hell....just the roaches...and sanity will once again be the status quo

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By Michael Shaw, August 9, 2007 at 4:51 pm #
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93365

I would argue about our troops being owned by the political class. The political class is owned by lobbies and most of those lobbies come from defense contractors or in other words, a hand full of billionaires.

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By Recon, August 9, 2007 at 4:41 pm #
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I guess I’m looking for some ammo in these discussions with my friends.  They are saying Ritter said there were WMDs when he was in country and should have known; then said there were none after he had left the country and was no longer in the loop.  The implication being that, if he knew there were none when he was there, he should have said as much.  My best response to date has been that he must have just been acting like a prosecutor and that’s his job.  They respond, that isn’t good enough considering the gravity of the situation. He should have spilled the beans.

I suppose timing is an issue here.  About when did Ritter say no WMDs and what was his position at the time?  Thanks for your reponse.

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