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Scott Ritter
Scott Ritter, a former Marine intelligence officer, served as a chief weapons inspector for the United Nations in Iraq from 1991 to 1998. He is the author of "Deal of the Century: How Iran Blocked the West's Road to War," forthcoming by Clarity Press. He also is the author of “Target Iran”...


Scott Ritter: Calling Out Idiot America

The ongoing hand-wringing in Congress by the newly empowered Democrats over what to do about the war in Iraq speaks volumes about the level of concern (or lack thereof) these “representatives of the people” have toward the men and women who honor us all by serving in the armed forces of the United States of America.  The inability to reach consensus concerning the level of funding required or how to exercise effective oversight of the war, both constitutionally mandated responsibilities, is more a reflection of congressional cowardice and impotence than a byproduct of any heartfelt introspection over troop welfare and national security.

The issues that prompt the congressional collective to behave in such an egregious manner have more to do with a reflexive tendency to avoid any controversy that might disrupt the status quo ante regarding representative-constituent relations (i.e., re-election) than with any intellectual debate about doing the right thing.  This sickening trend is bipartisan in nature, but of particular shame to the Democrats, who obtained their majority from an electorate that expressed dissatisfaction with the progress of the war in Iraq through their votes, demanding that something be done.

Sadly, Congress’ smoke-and-mirrors approach to the Iraq war creates the impression of much activity while generating no result.  Even more sadly, the majority of Americans are falling for the act, either by continuing their past trend of political disengagement or by thinking that the gesticulation and pontification taking place in Washington, D.C., actually translate into useful work.  The fact is, most Americans are ill-placed intellectually, either through genuine ignorance, a lack of curiosity or a combination of both, to judge for themselves the efficacy of congressional behavior when it comes to Iraq.  Congress claims to be searching for a solution to Iraq, and many Americans simply accept that this is this case. 

The fact is one cannot begin to search for a solution to a problem that has yet to be accurately defined.  We speak of “surges,” “stability” and “funding” as if these terms come close to addressing the real problems faced in Iraq.  There is widespread recognition among members of Congress and the American people that there is civil unrest in Iraq today, with Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence tearing that country apart, but the depth of analysis rarely goes beyond that obvious statement of fact.  Americans might be able to nod their heads knowingly if one utters the words Sunni, Shiite and Kurd, but very few could take the conversation much further down the path of genuine comprehension regarding the interrelationships among these three groups.  And yet we, the people, are expected to be able to hold to account those whom we elected to represent us in higher office, those making the decisions regarding the war in Iraq.  How can the ignorant accomplish this task?  And ignorance is not something uniquely attached to the American public.  Rep. Silvestre Reyes, the newly appointed chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, infamously failed a pop quiz in which journalist Jeff Stein asked him to differentiate between Sunni and Shiite.  Reyes has become the poster boy for congressional stupidity, but in truth he is not alone.  Very few of his colleagues could pass the test, truth be told.

The task of holding Congress to account is a daunting one, and can be accomplished only if the citizenry that forms the respective constituencies of our ignorant congressional representatives are themselves able to operate at an intellectual capacity above that of those they are holding to account.  So rather than issue “pop quizzes” to our elected representatives, I’ve designed one for us, the people.  If the reader can fully answer the question raised, then he or she qualifies as one capable of pointing an accusatory finger at Congress as its members dither over what to do in Iraq.  If the reader fails the quiz, then there should be an honest appraisal of the reality that we are in way over our heads regarding this war, and that it is irresponsible for anyone to make sweeping judgments about the ramifications of policy courses of action yet to be agreed upon.  Claiming to be able to divine a solution to a problem improperly defined is not only ignorant but dangerously delusional.

So here is the quiz:  Explain the relationship between the Iraqi cities of Karbala and Baghdad as they impact the coexistence of Iraq’s Shiite and Sunni populations.

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By Peter Knopfler, June 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

Scott you forgot the Consequences and how they stand today. If that was my test I would have scored perfect, I got my information from Princton professor, No.1 Writer of Islam, Bernard Lewis his book, “The Middle East, a brief History of The Last 2000 years”, also David Fromkin`s “A Peace to END All Peace”, the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East, and one more, Edwin Black “Banking on Baghdad Inside Iraq`s 7,000 Year History of War, Profit, and Conflict”. I found each highly informative each supplying another piece of the puzzle, research is my friend, to know, is to share.

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By salbers, May 11, 2009 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

There are several obvious underlying causes for Middle East turmoil that the Bush administration totally failed to comprehend prior to the Iraq invasion.  As this article points out, mystic considerations play an overwhelming role in politics and administration where rationalism needs to prevail if democracy is to govern. If, like lemmings, the masses are mesmerized into committing suicide then democracy will facilitate it because it is the will of the majority. 

The historical expostulation in this article is helpful to all who would gain a basic understanding of the relationships between the various warring factions.  But it’s conclusions do not necessarily follow.  Abandoning Iraq to irrational tribal hatred can only result in an Arab bloodbath in unfettered conflict and oil field isolation as history shows . Some would argue an Arab bloodbath instead of a Western one is acceptable - a conclusion every thinking person needs to decide for himself.

An aggravating cause is the supplying of modern technology to cultures that have no understanding of it which oil purchasing power is doing.  I’ve visited Arab towns strewn with hundreds of derelict Toyotas because the local recipients of these gifts from the King did not know it was necessary to put fuel in them.  Laugh if you will, but turning powerful technologies over to individuals who use it based upon mystical principles is extremely dangerous over time. 

A key to stability is bringing the Middle East out of Middle Age tribalism and into the modern world - a challenge that has not yet begun to be met.

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By yellowbird2525, December 2, 2008 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

you do not see the protesters cuz the main newspapers & media are owned by the Corps working with the USA Gov to control the world. THIS,,, alternet media, blacklistednews, etc; will show some of them; or give you TRUTH as opposed to political propaganda; another EXTREMELY good source is; the SAD truth is this: the men/women in the military are being used as cannon fodder, just the the folks in the states are being used as lab rats: one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the public one doctor said is iodized salt. What they do is chemically strip every thing good from it, put something chemical in it that turns to poison in your system 15 minutes after eating it. THIS is because they want hardening of the arteries, high blood pressure for $ for Pharma’s & doctors; All known & approved by politicians everywhere. Use SEA SALT which contains 21 known & required minerals. NOW: addl CHEMICALS ARE BEING ADDED TO SOME SEA SALTS: and more agressively than ever, to cause KIDNEY STONES: in all “processed foods” folks: all known & consented to by diabolically evil politicians: causing excrutiating pain & agony for KIDS, as well as adults. BE CAREFUL of your source: and the FDA is trying to EXTORT $ from health companies; & launching a full out assult with consent & knowledge & direction from our GOVERNMENT to get the PEOPLES PERSPECTIVE to believe THEIR lies, THEIR deceit, cuz it PROFITS their pocketbooks. Find out WHY Congress passed immediately a law stating companies no longer required to LIST INGREDIENTS like chemicals, etc, in their food; like Coke was sued in England for addl chemical found there; finally, they agreed to remove it from ENGLAND SUPPLY ONLY. Have a can of PESTICIDE folks! Didn’t get enough Agent Orange in Nam? Let me serve YOU up some! Genetically Modified Seeds which our Gov has a political propaganda campaign to make peoples perspective THINK is “good”; reasonable; when in reality it is diabolically evil. WELCOME to the USA! Troops in Desert Storm: PESTICIDES (totally unneccessary) caused permanent health damage: also from the COKES supplied containing ASPARTEME went thru FDA for DONALD RUMFELD, known found in ALL processed foods. THIS, military men/women is the THANKS your CORRUPT, POLLUTED Gov & politicians GIVE to you!

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By yellowbird2525, December 2, 2008 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

Iraq: the USA went to Iran who wouldn’t play ball with them; don’t except bribes & let USA & Corps rule, then you have civil unrest. USA went to Saddam Hussain, bribed, flattered him, weaponed them up, & let the overthrow of Iraq; put in the Shah who was as corrupt as USA Gov; Iran overthrew him, & the USA said we have to get rid of Saddam, he will no longer play ball. Clear back in the 1996 folks. Hussain agreed to surrender to Swiss authorities, USA said NO WAY & the poor Iraqi’s who had NO links to Al Queada, nor to Saddam (they are MADE UP folks!) said we have heard of freedom: and then THIS IS DICTATORSHIP! Bush changed “agenda” from democracy to peace; said “we prefer to be known as dysfunctional” (and a mythical “force for good” in the world to our people) they are so incredibly stupid they buy anything we do & say! Hey hey hey do it our way! We have SO gotten away with everything in the USA for years, thru PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT the the PEOPLES PERCEPTION is SO distorted THEY believe we are GOOD! In reality, there is not one agency that exists in the USA that is there for any reason other than as a “front” to siphon trillions of $ thru so they can claim they “are broke”; and need more $. Iraqi’s: NEVER paid taxes during their 1000 years of being a country. NOW, they do. The reason DRILL BABY DRILL won’t work is they always had ample supply: & 5 cents a gallon til USA & Corps came in; now, long lines, limited supply (supposedly) price control $1.49 a gallon; USA “democracy” where the folks at the top & their friends & family have it all; will never be brought to court of law; & the Corps & “politicians” take it all & the people have nothing. WELCOME to DEMOCRACY, where “do not ASK what your country can do for YOU: because you are a SLAVE only EXISTING to make $ for US! THIS is the “great American way!”

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By Sam, November 22, 2008 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment
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“the men and women who honor us all by serving in the armed forces of the United States of America”

I would like to why and how these individuals “honor us all.”  I do not feel honored by them. They simply form part of an imperial war machine. The mentality that feels pious regard for our military is part of the militaristic mind-set that many more enlightened writers have tried in vain to explain to Americans. Of course, one feels sympathy for young men who are getting shot at, and for their families, who are hoping they return in one piece. That is just normal human sentiment. But I do not feel honored by the war crimes being committed by them.  We have a very dumbed-down population:  a more aware youth would refuse to serve for the purposes our armed forces are being used.  We have hundreds of bases all over the world. Imagine if Australia or Brazil wanted to establish a base in Florida or New Jersey! And, who are our enemies really?  Canada?  Mexico?  Honduras?  We are our worst enemies;  we create conditions of hatred owing to our insatiable greed for the resources of others and our murderous meddling everywhere.  Where America is, you can be sure money is being made and blood is being spilled for it.  It is shameful.  It is not an “honor.”  Our armed forces are not being used in a normal and honorable manner.

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By Max Bezel, September 17, 2008 at 10:42 am Link to this comment
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It’s great to be able to hear your perspective again after being thrashed by this administration along with all of the other voices of dissent. This is important historical background - if it wanders a bit into pedantic condescension it’s understandable, given the truly frustrating sequence of events based on our penchant for oversimplification of complex situations.

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By Leisure suit Larry, August 21, 2008 at 8:27 am Link to this comment
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The word “conservative” has lost its true meaning, as has the word “liberal”

Any clown who can lie to begin a war, spend a trillion dollars we do not have, Bill our grandchildren for the party we are having today ...
is NOT conservative.

To be fair, being black does not make someone a liberal. Obama just wants to trade one expensive war in Iraq, for another (probably more expensive) war in Pakistan.

Both our major political parties are in “business” the money is rolling in, and business is good… why should they care what “we” think?

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By cann4ing, August 20, 2008 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

I think the word you are actually trying to convey, Frank, is “reactionary” rather than “regressive” or “conservative,” but point well taken.

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By Karl Frank, August 19, 2008 at 7:57 am Link to this comment
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The Top 22 ways to tell if you are a Regressive:

Are you really a conservative?  Not likely.  A regressive…well, here is how to tell:


  1. Tending to return or revert.
  2. Characterized by regression or a tendency to regress.

Or in other words, moving this country, and humanity, backwards instead of forward - and wanting to take the rest of us down with them!

So, how do you tell if you are a Regressive?  Here are 22 good ways:
1.  If it is 2008, and you are still proud to call yourself a conservative, you are a Regressive.

2.  If you think Ann Coulter is hot, you are a Regressive.

3.  If you pee your pants, or if your face turns red every time you hear someone whisper, “Muhammad” you are a Regressive.

4.  If you would gladly turn over your freedoms guaranteed by our constitution for a little “safety,” not only would you be a coward, you would be a Regressive.

5.  If you think it is manly to keep a gun on your hip like you’re Wyatt Earp or something, you would be a Regressive.

6.  If you think Jesus Christ would agree with your hatred of black people and gays, you would be a Regressive.

7.  If capital gains tax cuts are more important to you than education, health care, justice, falsifying CIA intelligence on White House letterhead about uranium in Niger, you are a Regressive.

8.  If you mispronounce the name of the country Niger, you are a Regressive.

9.  If you still believe that Barack Obama is a Muslim, not only would you be in fairyland, you would be a Regressive.

10.  If you believe that Jesus Christ gives a crap about whether or not December 21st through January 3rd is called Christmas Break or Winter Break, you would be a Regressive.

11.  If you believe that the government should be able to tell people who they can or can not love, you would be a Regressive.

12.  If you believe that the government should regulate whether or not a woman has to give birth when a sperm cell penetrates a vaginal egg, you would be a Regressive.

13.  If you believe that God has broken heaven in to different levels, one for Mexicans, one for Blacks, One for Chinese people, a really high level where you and 15 billion other white Americans who have lived from Adam and Eve until judgment day (2012) will be sitting at the right hand of the Lord himself, you would be a Regressive.

14.  If you still think Rush Limbaugh has any credibility left, you would be a Regressive.

15.  If you still believe that Fox News is fair and balanced, you would be a Regressive.

16.  If you believe that there are people out there actually breaking the law so that they can vacation at some imaginary Cook County Jail in Illinois, you would be a Regressive.

17.  If you still think that Extremist Wahhabi Muslim Osama Bin Laden was partnering with Sunni Iraqi Saddam Hussein, you would be a clueless dunce…and a Regressive.

18.  If you think building a fence to keep Mexicans from taking our “jobs” makes us any different that than third century B.C. Chinese people, you would be a Regressive.

19.  If you think that the Earth is only six thousand years old and that Jesus rode bareback on Tyrannosaurus Rex, you would be a Regressive.

20.  If you believe that progressive liberals somehow have no respect for tradition, you would be a Regressive.

21.  If you believe that fire is just a fad, you are a Regressive.

22.  If you have read this list and still plan to vote for John McCain in November, you would be a Regressive.

Stay tuned for more ways to tell if you are a Regressive.

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By Tony York, May 30, 2008 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Scot-
  I admire your longstanding efforts as a patriot. I’m an ex-Marine NamVet. We NamVets were lied to and lied about by our government. We deserved better.
  Your name has come to my attention through your efforts as an inspector in Iraq, and in the search for truth since then. The truth will set us free.  When in doubt, fall back upon the truth!
  Please, please, PLEASE keep on keeping on.  Years ago a few brave souls risked the gallows to stand up for individual liberty and fair representation under the rule of law. Aren’t we Men and Women enough to carry on?
  Must we become the Taliban to defeat the Taliban?    NO!!!!!!!
Let’s make our nation live up to our own ideals, we’ll love ourselves for it, and regain respect internationally for worthy goals & standards.
Semper Fi

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By SocraticGadfly, March 27, 2008 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment
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Ritter’s article was interesting, especially the first page, which says what I’ve said for quite some time about Democrats.

Of course, he didn’t say how he was voting.

Beyond that, he himself greatly oversimplified the history of the Islamic Middle East. Multiple separate emirates had split off from the Abbasid Caliphate by two centuries after Muhammed’s death, including one run by a descendant of Ali on the south shore of the Caspian.

Multiple independent Sunni caliphates were in existence by a century later. And, Christian, Christian Gnostic and non-Christian Gnostic groups had already had their influence on groups like the Alawite and Druze.

In short, some of the martyrdom complex of Shi’as is overwrought. And, Shi’as have a story to tell, one that may not always match up with reality.

Also, an explicit claim for the origin of Sufism from Sunni Islam is not unanimous, at the least, and highly controversial at the most, among experts. Some claim it goes back to Muhammad itself; others that it at least arose before the split between Shi’as and Sunnis became final. Yet others argue that Sufism was influenced by pre-Muslim Persian beliefs. Sufism in the Ottoman Empire probably developed from pre-conversion Turkish shamanism brought with them from Central Asia.

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By alicecbrown, November 12, 2007 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

Scott, I heard you at Wellesley in 2002 and I read you loud and clear now.  My son, a lt. col in the Army was sent to Ethics training at Ft. Dix.  His opinion and about 1/3rd of his fellow officers was that if they tried to practise the ethics they were learning, they would be drummed out of the Army as surely as the generals who have tried to sound the alarm bugle.
Our nation is dying and when we have to look to the military to save us, we are close to the brink.  Power corrupts and armed soldiers , although saving us from the nuclear insanity of Bush, might well destroy us in another way.  But at this point, they may be the only ones, short of revolution.
If it was good enough for John Tilley and John HOwland, Corp. Absalom Ballou and pvt. John Hale, as well as Lt. Henry ....(can’t remember his last name) who fought King George and left King James for freedom on the Mayflower (my ancestors, all), then it’s good enough for me and mine.
Sail for the New World, my children, be it Mars;  or some Scandinavian country where civilization still lives.

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By cann4ing, October 28, 2007 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

CY, if you get the chance, read Mark Lane’s “Plausible Denial.”  You don’t have to wait until 2063 to get to the truth about the Kennedy assassination.  It jumps out from the pages of Lane’s book.

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By Conservative Yankee, October 28, 2007 at 5:35 am Link to this comment
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109592 by Ernest Canning on 10/25 at 3:33 pm

“CY, I don’t want to go back into it too deeply”

Neither do I, the only difference we have is in the non-confirmable items.

Personally, I believe Kennedy though he could control the situation, and personnel and learned in the last seconds of his life that he could not, and that they were not working for him and his administration!

AND as I’ve mentioned before there’s enough dirt here to burry everyone!  The population (if it survives) will learn the whole sordid truth in about 100 years. (jackie said 50 years after Carolyn’s death.

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By Michael Shaw, October 25, 2007 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

109556 Actually Cy I think you’re talking about this:

The flamboyant Giancana had ended up running the Chicago Mob in 1957 when Anthony Joseph ( Joe Batters ) Accardo took a back seat and stepped down in his favour. Accardo became consiglieri and continued to be consulted on all major decisions. Giancana decided to deal with Joe Kennedy to obtain the union support in Illinois, along with its’ twenty-seven Electoral College votes, for son Jack.
In 1960 Giancana, along with Johnny Roselli another influential Mafia Boss, became involved in talks with CIA director Allen W. Dulles concerning an attempt to assassinate Castro. The CIA had developed relations with the mob during the Second World War when they asked for the help of the then incarcerated Lucky Luciano prior to the invasion of Sicily.
The Mafia had invested huge amounts of money in gambling houses on Cuba in the forties under the Fulgencio Batista Regime and didn’t want to lose it (Mobsters Meyer Lansky, Santos Trafficante, Lucky Luciano and Frank Costello were the main players). Trafficante became the resident Syndicate Chief in Havana. Following Castro’s takeover he was deported to the U.S. and took up residence in Tampa Florida, becoming one of the most influential Mafiosi in the Southern United States. Trafficante had links with the Bonanno Family in New York but was more closely allied with Sam Giancana in Chicago. Roselli persuaded Trafficante to join the conspiracy in 1961. Various plans including poisoned cigars were put forward but none were implemented. Lansky also became involved, offering $1million for the murder of Castro. Trafficante also worked closely with another CIA officer William Harvey. By 1962 the Mafia conspirators became convinced that Castro’s death would not bring the revolution to an end. They continued to play along with the CIA however, hoping that their cooperation would act as a shield against future prosecution. The plan to assassinate Castro was quietly shelved after the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1963. Trafficante however continued his cooperation with the CIA and was even involved in the Iran-Contra affair. His proximity with the Government Agency over the years and his friendship with Giancana probably served to provide the latter with a great deal of inside information.
Giancana was obviously looking for a return on his investment. At the very least he expected to be left to run his empire without fear of prosecution. Instead, Bobby Kennedy pursued Giancana relentlessly and although he could not bring serious charges to bear against him, he publicly humiliated him on TV in a Congressional style questioning.

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By Michael Shaw, October 25, 2007 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

109583 Nils I couldn’t have said it better myself. Bravo!

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By cann4ing, October 25, 2007 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

CY, I don’t want to go back into it too deeply, but the drug connection I was speaking of was explicitly linked to the covert branches (and actions) of our government, the CIA in particular.  In “Plausible Denial” Mark Lane makes a compelling case that the CIA and CIA-connected, anti-Castro Cubans once involved in the Bay of Pigs killed Kennedy, precisely because he and his brother Robert planned to dissolve the CIA following the 1964 election, withdraw from Vietnam and establish a rapproachment with Castro’s Cuba.  The name “George Bush” surfaced with respect to both the Bay of Pigs and the Kennedy assassination. (It is also intimately linked to the Lettellier assassination). The Bay of Pigs invasion force trained on the oil rigs belonging to Bush’s company, Zapata Off Shore.  The two repainted naval vessels used for the invasion were renamed the “Houston” and the “Barbara.”  The top secret code name for the Bay of Pigs invasion was “Operation Zapata.”  A J. Edgar Hoover memo later surfaced, revealing that shortly after the Kennedy assassination the FBI and DIA briefed “George Bush of the CIA.”

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By Michael Shaw, October 25, 2007 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

109523 Ernest I also heard about those drug dealings in the 70’s, again in LA between local cops and the CIA. Even heard the recorded interview of a former LA cop(I forget his name) who played a role in it, on my local university station. He had mentioned that for years no one would believe him but local cops were actually helping the CIA distribute drugs throughout the city. This brings to mind that huge bust of New Orleans cops about ten years ago. They were busting, then forcing drug dealers to sell drugs for them or go to jail. What coercion! Eventually it led to murder and it turned out most of the precinct was involved.

CIA, NSA, and even cops! I see them as the same nefarious animal, especially now that they are under one roof. What better place to sell drugs from then the local police? It seems with all the black budget money they receive, it still isn’t enough.

As for drug distribution, I see it as a way to keep crime levels high in the inner cities of America so the excuse for more laws leading to a police state could be accomplished. My father believed we had become a police state back in the 70’s. From then up till now it had been so subtle, but as you mentioned the events in fascist states in South America, it all makes sense now.

What is also interesting was that recent drug bust at Kennedy International Airport in NYC. The employees working there(and smuggling in the drugs0 were Dominicans. As I recall we helped fix their last election. So much for Airport(and homeland) security too when it comes to hiring ground staff. And we’re worried about Arabs taking over our seaports!

Thanks Ernest for giving us further depth into this.

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By Nils Cognizant, October 25, 2007 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Ritter is immersed in reality and historical trend. Why would anyone put up with such arrogance? Next thing you know, word will spread and the textbooks issued to schoolkids will begin reflecting an accurate account of past events. Of course, there are no truly past events. All previous decisions made by American leaders exert unending influence on the course of events. I think this is the thrust of Ritter’s argument:  those willing to participate in forcing change will alter physically the layout of the planet near and long term.

One argument for not invading Iran, aside from those already enumerated in this forum, is that invasions by the United States against other nations over our entire existence, have mostly been against helpless smaller nations. This is moral cowardice. Compound this with the reality of chicken hawks directing our foreign policy and you have the makings of a world in turmoil. Pointless turmoil. The kicker, if one is needed, is that this President has a subordinate trailing after him everywhere he goes toting the holy brief case, the one with the codes and buttons which will permit Mr. Bush to launch multiple nuclear attacks against the world’s cities. Since the military leadership and the Congress have not shown much interest in defending this nation’s Constitution, they can hardly be expected to defend the rest of the world.

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By Conservative Yankee, October 25, 2007 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment
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I surely agree that Drugs were used as a political weapon by our government during Vietnam, The Reagan years, and through the Bush/Noriega connection.

Guess what The Kennedy administration did it too… In Cuba, with the help of the Genovese family of New York, Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana.

The Kennedys gave the Genovese family a “look the other way” deal and in return the Genoveses were to make Castro nervous or better still… stiff!

Drug wars, (like campaign finance reform) is a subject neither party wants to complete. Discuss it, rail about it, pretend to do something, then take the money for the next campaign

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By cann4ing, October 25, 2007 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Michael Shaw, your observation about CIA involvement in drug trafficking during Iran/Contra is spot on, though it predated that.  In “Cocaine Politics” (Univ. Cal. Press 1991) Peter Dale Scott & Jonathan Marshall expose the CIA’s involvement in drug smuggling, gun running, money laundering, and murder within a labyrinthine web of connections during the 70s & 80s involving, among the many, anti-Castro Cubans, Mexican drug lords, Argentina’s former military junta, right wing military governments in Bolivia, El Salvador & Honduras, Klaus Barbie, Manuel Noriega, the Cali Cartel & Oliver North’s Contra supply network.  Joseph Trento’s “Prelude to Terror” provides a significant addition to this account, especially as it pertains to Geo. H. W. Bush, then the Director of Central Intelligence, and his link to Operation Watchtower, a joint CIA/Mossad clandestine placement of portable beacons that would allow cocaine-bearing airgraft to fly undetected across Columbia and into Panama.  Noriega learned of the plot by bribing six NSA communications experts.  “Noriega…went to the CIA and demanded a piece of the drug action.  Bush not only agreed; he went a step further by not notifying the Justice Department of the treasonous acts committed by the six NSA employees.”

While it was aiding the Contra’s terror campaign against soft civilian targets inside Nicaragua with arms purchased by the proceeds of drug sales, the Reagan administration launched a propaganda blitz which attempted to link Cuba & Nicaragua with “narcotics trafficking and terrorism.”  As Scott & Marshall note, the word “‘narcoterrorism’...soon became an essential adjunct to the doctrine of national security developed by right-wing Latin American military forces to rationalize their repressive domestic activities and seizures of power.”

When it came to the empire’s narcotics trafficking, interdiction was the last thing the Reagan & Bush I administrations had in mind.  When, in 1983, the DEA began to hone in on the Honduran military’s role in turning that country into a major transit station for cocain bound for No. America, the solution was to simply close the DEA station in Tegucigalpa.  Reports to the FBI by Eastern Airlines pilot, Gerald Loeb, confirmed by the FBI & a DEA informant, together with Loeb’s testimony before a Senate sub-committee implicating senior Eastern Airlines management in a four year operation during which cocaine was smuggled into the U.S. by Eastern “underneath the pilot;s seat in the forward electronics section” produced zero punishments for the perpetrators, though it did result in Loeb losing his job.

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By Michael Shaw, October 25, 2007 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

106676 Ernest as I recall, the CIA was delivering drugs to major cities like Los Angeles during the Iran/Contra scandal with the help of Manuel Noriega who was on the CIA payroll for years. It was my understanding that Oliver North knew of this and in fact played a role in it. Nothing like selling drugs to our own kids to finance an illegal, unsanctioned war! Especially at a time when the so called war on drugs was in full swing.

With friends like the CIA who needs the Mafia? What on earth has the CIA ever done to protect this nation or its people? Hiring Nazi’s and hiding mass murdering drug peddlers like Klaus Barbie? Launching the Bay of Tonkin deception? Launching the Bay of Pigs leading us to the brink of nuclear war? Training death squads for fascist governments in South and Central America? Where were they on 9/11? Yet again Afghanistan is controlled by the drug lords and the flow of opium continues.

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By Michael Shaw, October 25, 2007 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Calling out idiot America is one thing. How about calling out this idiot administration? This is where our biggest problems lie.

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By ewastud, October 25, 2007 at 3:05 am Link to this comment
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Interesting synopsis of history of that region of the world, Scott. However, it seems to overplay the schism between Shiite and Sunni, IMHO, as there are many marriages among the Iraqi people of Sunni and Shiite. 

Also, if everyone felt religious passions as strongly as implied in your account, it seems that there should be no sentiments for keeping the country united among its people.  I don’t believe that to be the case, generally.  Iraq has existed as a nation long enough for the people to have a unique identity of their own as a people separate from their religious upbringings and despite those inherent divisions.

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By John Borowski, October 13, 2007 at 7:24 am Link to this comment
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A commentator praises Ron Paul: 1 He has never voted to raise taxes – We have taxes and plenty of them. 2 He has never voted for an unbalanced budget – We have an unbalance budget bigger than you know. 3 He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. - Neither would criminals, psychotics, and six year old school children. 4 He has never voted to raise congressional pay –With the Congresses’ pay they will never be eligible for food stamps. 5 He has never taken a government–paid junket –The only place the Congress folks have not junketed to is Mars. 6 He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. -  Bush has more power than Hitler ever dreamed of having. 7 He voted against the Patriot Act. - the Patriot is fully operational 8 He voted against regulating the Internet – Ask MoveOn web site and the British about this interdiction. 9 He voted against the Iraq war – Has this “Peace-nik” recently check the wooden boxes in Delaware? 10 He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program – Although I’m sure he is getting his share now or in the future. 11 He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the US treasury every year. – Does he write this off as a charitable contribution? Has he done this because all of these things are guaranteed to become a fact of life while he benefits from there unpopularity? Will the pope ever vote him in as a saint?

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By cann4ing, October 12, 2007 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

Actually, CY, as a Vietnam vet one of the things that most troubled me pertains to the CIA’s role in drug trafficking, though I did not learn of it’s extent until relatively recently.  Some of the books that cover the subject include Joseph Trento’s “Prelude to Terror,” Alfred McCoy, “The Politics of Heroin” and Peter Dale Scott and Jonathan Marshall’s “Cocaine Politics.”

The involvement began early on, 1949 when the CIA’s Paul Helliwell used a Taiwan based airline to ship weapons to remnants of the KMT army in Burma.  The planes were then loaded with drugs bound for Taiwan, Bangkok and Saigon.  In 1960, the CIA agreed to merchandise opium for Laotian war lords in exchange fore their assigtance in fighting the Pathet Lao.  The Mafia’s Santos Trafficante became the largest customer of CIA-sponsored heroin.  Helliwell helped launder mob money by setting up accounts with Castle Bank in the Bahamas where mob money was commingled with CIA money.

In 1966 Ted Shackley, who would later serve as Geo. H.W. Bush’s assistant in 1975, was appointed the new Chief of Station in Vientiane, Laos in order to carry out what Trento describes as the agency’s covert operations dream—“a means of financing operations without having to depend upon Congressional approval or funding.”  (Iran/Contra anyone?).  By 1967, the CIA began shipping kilos of Southeast Asian heroin inside the body bags of U.S. Servicemen.  “Dover Air Force Base…became a Mafia drug pickup point.”  (As a Vet it is hard for me to explain the level of revulsion I experienced when I first learned the CIA so defiled my dead brothers-in-arms.  Now I wonder if it is one of the reasons for the secrecy surrounding returning caskets from Iraq.)  Using connections with the Sicilian and Corsican mafias in Palermo and Marseilles, the enterprising CIA also facilitated heroin distribution in Europe. 

Shortly after Shackley was appointed chief of the CIA’s Saigon station in 1968, Santos Trafficante toured the Far East, then decided to take control of all the large Saigon nightclubs that catered to U.S. servicement, where Trafficante would then do his bit to “support the troops” by selling them heroin oin the cheap.  So. Vietnam’s Pres. Nguyen Van Thiu and its VP Nguyen Cao Ky were also active in the drug trade.  By 1970 Congress estimated 15% of the American troops in Vietnam were heroin addicts.

“Cocaine Politics” exposes the CIA’s in drug smuggling , gun running, money laundering, and murder during the 70s & 80s in Central and South America including links to drug lords, right wing military governments and Oliver North’s Contra supply network.  Trento directly links the CIA, the Mossad, and Geo. H. W. Bush to the clandestine placement of beacons that would permit drug smuggling aircraft to fly undetected over Columbia.  He linked Bush, Saudi Intelligence, BCCI and Reagan’s “freedom fighters” (the Mujahideen who later morphed into al Qaeda) to the same opium production for arms arrangement while fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.  Opium production dropped off drastically under the Taliban, then returned with a vengeance after the 2001 U.S. invasion.  Now there are reports of U.S. servicemen in Afghanistan getting hooked on heroin.

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By Michael Shaw, October 12, 2007 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

106314 Ernest you may be right. Amy did mention the bank had never handled such a large bundle of cash before. She only mentioned a semi puling up. Perhaps another one or two were called in once they realized the size of the haul.

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By Conservative Yankee, October 12, 2007 at 6:49 am Link to this comment
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“Sure seems this specific episode warrants a Congressional investigation and wider coverage in the corporate media.”

You were in Vietnam, so you must remember the scads of money (US greenbacks) available for dishonest work?

Dad was in WW II and he says the same bundles of cash were used there to buy French support among the Vichy… he says he came across a bale of money in the fields near the Marne,he says he treated it with the same caution he normally reserved for land mines!

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By cann4ing, October 11, 2007 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

Michael, I don’t think you can fit $2.4 billion in $100 bills in just one semi.  The numbers are staggering.  I think CY is right about the C130 transports.  I seem to recall a video that displayed one being off loaded in Baghdad.  But there’s no way to know whether that was part of the $2.4 billion one-day transfer or some of the funds that were transfered at other times.

Sure seems this specific episode warrants a Congressional investigation and wider coverage in the corporate media.

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By Michael Shaw, October 11, 2007 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment


CY Could you direct me to a site? I’d like to read up a bit more on that if I could. Thanks!

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By Michael Shaw, October 11, 2007 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

106126. Ernest from what I’ve heard on DN, one large semi was packed with the loot.

This comes from Amy Goodman

AMY GOODMAN: Well, they are talking about, in one day, for example, the East Rutherford operation center of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, 100 Orchard Street in East Rutherford, a tractor-trailer truck pulling up, and though accustomed to receiving and shipping large quantities of cash, the vault had never before processed a single order of this magnitude: $2.4 billion in $100 bills. But ultimately, again, $9 billion of $12 billion gone missing in Iraq.

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By Conservative Yankee, October 11, 2007 at 5:55 am Link to this comment
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“How many semis were need to move $2.4 billion in $100 bills?”

I heard it was done with C130 transports, and hauled away in boxcars.

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By cann4ing, October 10, 2007 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment

Michael, Perhaps you or someone else more familiar with the dimensions can tell me.  How many semis were need to move $2.4 billion in $100 bills?

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By Michael Shaw, October 10, 2007 at 9:59 am Link to this comment


And with all the hoopla over misappropriated pentagon funds, the congress is ignoring it!

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By Michael Shaw, October 9, 2007 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

105882 And to boot it was all in 100.00 bills

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By Michael Shaw, October 9, 2007 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

105882 PS That shipment of 2.4 million dollars you mentioned was actually 2.4 billion. It was the largest transaction of its kind in FED history.

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By Michael Shaw, October 9, 2007 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment

105882 Hey Ernest, did you hear the Bartlett/Greenspan interviews on DN? Basically Greenspan said he had no idea what had happened and started hyping over Dinars confusing the actual count. Bartlett called that bullshit. Greenspan also said he didn’t know what was going on yet all the information Bartlett got came from the FED while Greenspan was still its boss. Bartlett said it is hard to imagine he didn’t know. He also said that Greenspan has a way with doublespeak that really says nothing. He also said people have let him get away with that for years and he can’t understand why. He basically called the dude a bullshitter, something I had suspected for quite a while now.

As for your free market summary, it seems more like a free for all, all of the thugs Bush has surrounded himself with. Also thanks for clarifying this to other readers. Everybody should take a look at this.

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By cann4ing, October 9, 2007 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

Michael Shaw, let me ad context so that other Truthdiggers will be inclined to follow your link to Democracy Now.  The story deals with the $12 billion in cash that was shipped from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to Iraq, $2.4 million on a single day.  $9 billion of that shipment is now missing.

As Donald Barlett, a co-editor of Vanity Fair which exposed this story notes that during the 1990s Patrick Thompson, a resident of the Bahamas, created a Ponzi scheme mutual fund called Evergreen Security from which more than $200 million disappeared.

The $12 billion “cash” was placed in the hands of a company called NorthStar, which is operated out of home in San Diego and which was created for Thomas Howell, who had turned to Patrick Thomas, the Bahamian swindler from the 90s, to create NorthStar.

The unanswered question is why our government would entrust this enormous transaction to such a disreputable lot—in “cash” no less!  I guess it is a fine example of what Bush and his team have in mind by “free” markets.

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By Conservative Yankee, October 9, 2007 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment
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105584 by Ernest Canning on 10/08 at 3:12 pm

“The reasons stated…are…their intention to begin transferring all of their weapons grade plutonium to their Savannah River Site located in South Carolina,”

Thank Lucius Mendel Rivers for this site.  He begged the Feds for it when no other State would have it.

That’s L. Mendel Rivers, (D) S.C.

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By Michael Shaw, October 9, 2007 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

105400 Hey Mike here is even more.

“So you have an accounting firm created by a mysterious La Jolla man by an equally mysterious Bahaman resident who specializes in setting up offshore entities used to launder money, concealing assets, avoiding taxes, a man who presided over a securities firm from which $200 million was disappeared.”

When you have the Pentagon doing business with companies like Northstar it is beyond any idea of government auditing or oversight. It is a matter of out and out government thievery.

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By Michael Shaw, October 9, 2007 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

105635 I understand what you were talking about Ernest. I can also understand why the Russians are scratching their heads too. One thing perplexing is that since Bush has not complied with the 1993 START 1 program and in fact has decided in making a whole new line of nukes, why are the Russians even bothering to comply? Do they see it simply as a way to get rid of old fissionable material? The fact it’s coming out here to the Livermore Labs is unnerving! Even an accident in transport could cause the effects necessary for Bush/Cheney to declare marshal law. Hell another Katrina could do it.

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By cann4ing, October 8, 2007 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

The question, Michael Shaw, is whether the administration is “hoping” for another 9/11 or “planning” for another 9/11.  I suppose the answer to that question is dependent upon whether Cheney was complicit in the first 9/11.

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By Michael Shaw, October 8, 2007 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

105584 Well Ernest, I see this as frighteningly as you do! It seems to me this administration is hoping for another 9/11. Why else for example, would they go after PETA and ignore right wing terror groups? They’ve been playing by the Nazi play book from the beginning! I find it extremely suspicious that the transport of Russian nuclear material is coinciding with dirty bomb simulations hitting our cities. I also see the potential in a preemptive strike on Iran. But I think you may be right God help us!

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By cann4ing, October 8, 2007 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Michael Shaw:  A portion of your link to the “war alert” bears direct quotation and an observation about context.  Russian “General Nikolai Solovtsove has received an ‘urgent’ communication from his American counterparts…notifying Russan Millitary Authorities that the United States will…go to ‘full war footing’ this weekend.

“The reasons stated…are…their intention to begin transferring all of their weapons grade plutonium to their Savannah River Site located in South Carolina, and…their intention to begin their largest ‘terror exercise’ in history by ‘simulating the explosion of a nuclear armed ‘dirty bombs’ in American cities.”

The context entails a number of articles written by Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration, warning that executive orders are now in place for Bush to declare a “national emergency” on the basis of a new “terrorist incident” such as a “dirty bomb” as a precursor to martial law, a suspension of the Constitution and national elections.

The real question is whether these war criminals are planning a final putsch that will bring an end to the Republic and the permanent rule Karl Rove has long advocated.

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By Michael Shaw, October 8, 2007 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

Speaking of Israel, this comes from Democracy Now. Apparently Desmond Tutu has been banned from the Nobel Peace Prize Ceremonies because of statements he made comparing Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians to South African Aparteid.

Akiva Eldar on Nuclear weapons in the Middle East

Akiva Eldar is the chief political columnist and senior analyst for the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, and he is co-author of a new book; it’s critical of Israeli settlement policy. It’s called Lords of the Land: The Settlers and the State of Israel. I interviewed Akiva Eldar last month and asked him how the so-called “Israel lobby” in the United States is perceived in Israel.

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By Michael Shaw, October 8, 2007 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

105426 Well John as far as that money going to MOSSAD for 9/11, that hasn’t been and I doubt it will ever be substantiated. Granted the guy in charge was a Zionist crook, but nothing (at least at this point)can be proved beyond speculation.

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By cann4ing, October 8, 2007 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

I guess, Guido, war becomes necessary for the military-industrial complex because it is into profit and not into recycling.

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By John Hanks, October 8, 2007 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
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The cost of keeping these grafters and chiselers happy is a good mass transportation system to say the least.  Israel has at least 200 nukes, and yet it helps our bums by buying M-60’s and turning them into Colonial tanks.  It just goes on and on - just one big protection racket.

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By Guido, October 8, 2007 at 12:14 am Link to this comment
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Other than profiteering, one of the functions of war is to replace equipment and armaments therefore making room for newer more sophisticated technology. The rate at which the USA churn out new weapons and equipment, virtually guarantees that older equipment has to be put to use. Selling it would not do as there is way too much of it and, anyway, governments that have the money to spend on armaments want newer stuff (i.e. Saudi and Israel)

I suspect that one of the drivers of Mr. Sarkozy’s new aggressive policy is just that. France is the only European country to have a military worthy of the name and it’s now been many decades since they’ve had a serious engagement that would allow them to re-equip with more sophisticated weaponry and equipment. Sarkozy needs to do some spring cleaning.

Wait till the Chinese and/or the Russians have to clean house too.

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By John Hanks, October 7, 2007 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment
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Supposedly the trillions went to Israel.  It was sent there by the pentagon controller named Dov (somethingorother) as partial payment for Mossad participation in 911.  It’s just amazing how all these clowns with dual citizenship managed to parley themselves into positions of power where they have a right to steal.

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By Michael Shaw, October 7, 2007 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

Good points Mike Clark! I’d like to know what happened to that 1.1 trillion Rumsfeld was talking about just prior to 9/11. Once that happened all talk of that vanished.


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By cann4ing, October 7, 2007 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Mike Clark—the difference is that when you and I served in Vietnam the U.S. did not find it necessary to hire mercenaries to do our work.  I don’t know how it was in the marine corps, but after I did my time in-country (4th Infantry Div.—Central Highlands) and returned, I got out of the army altogether.  There was no “stop-loss” policy.  Yeah, we may have left some weapons behind, and some pretty well developed air bases as well, but once we pulled out the Vietnamese stopped shooting at us.  (Now they’re our trading partners).  I have a feeling that we will be experiencing blow back from the imperial conquest in Iraq (and possibly from a new insanity of the Bush regime carries out its threat to bomb Iran) for years to come.  (There are similarities.  In Nam they poisoned us with Agent Orange.  In Iraq, it’s depleted uranium.)

Have you noticed that those who evaded service in ‘Nam—Bush/Cheney et al.—are so ready to send others off to fight?  It’s easy to be gung ho when you’ve never been shot at.

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By Mike Clark Former Marine in Vietnam, October 7, 2007 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment
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This is no problem as far as I am concerned in funding this war, but where has all the money gone. We keep sending money and weapons to Iraq, but then we here 150,00 AK47’s missing don’t know what happened to them. forgot to write the serial numbers down what kind of crap is that. We have US Companies that have Government contracts that they are abusing but not completing what they were paid for. The outright fraud and abuse is outrageous according to the Armed services Committee in Washington. They supposedly have aver 20,000 auditors at the defense department supposed to be watching out for this kind of abuse. That is my concern just like what happened in Vietnam when we left all that equipment there when we left. when I asked I was told don’t worry about it its just government money. I almost shot the son of a bitch and he was an officer. I am tired of all the abuse and no one is watching. Article after article of money missing and it is in the billions. Answer fron Congress just don’t worry about it. They just spend the taxpayers money like it is water they don’t care but the American people car and it needs to stop.

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By Michael Shaw, October 4, 2007 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

Faludi examines the cultural impact of the 9/11 attacks and concludes that the United States has been living in a myth since 9/11…..

This comes from Democracy Now. There’s a great discussion about how “they” used Jessica Lynch(and women in general) to justify the wars both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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By John Hanks, October 4, 2007 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment
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Iraq was a huge money pit.  (We always say we are bringing Democracy to the heathen).  Leverage, oil, opium, weapons, graft, employement, etc. were the reasons behind this outrage.

Iran is to pay Israel and Saudi Arabia for the help they provided with the 911 stunt.

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By Guido, October 3, 2007 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment
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Exactly. Anyone that has spent any time in the Middle East would have known that “Democracy” is a non starter around here just because tribalism, social dynamics and, lastly, religion preclude it. Therefore, the war was a sham from the word go.

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 3, 2007 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

#104426 by Ernest Canning on 10/03 at 12:39 pm: “...There are reasons why the Bush administration invaded Iraq….. “imperial conquest,” “never” included bringing democracy or freedom to Iraq and its people.  That is unless you are prepared to accept one of the three major slogan’s from Orwell’s “1984”—

Memorable quotes from “1984” the movie:-

Winston Smith: I don’t mean confessing. Confessing isn’t betrayal. I mean feelings. If they can make me change my feelings. If they can stop me from loving you, that would be real betrayal.
Julia: They can’t do that. It’s the one thing they can’t do. They can torture you, make you say anything. But they can’t make you believe it. They can’t get inside you. They can’t get to your heart…...

It is finally revealed that the torture and “reprogramming” have been successful; happily reconciled to his own impending execution, and accepting of the Party’s versions of the past and present (Winston shortly celebrates a possibly fabricated, though accepted as fact, bulletin describing Oceania’s recent decisive victory over Eurasia), he finally accepts love towards Big Brother.

O’Brien: What are your feelings towards Big Brother?
Winston Smith: I hate him.
O’Brien: You must love him. It is not enough to obey him. You must love him.

Winston Smith: Does Big Brother exist?
O’Brien: Of course he exists.
Winston Smith: Does he exist like you or me?
O’Brien: You do not exist.

Winston Smith: Thoughtcrime is death. Thoughtcrime does not entail death. Thoughtcrime IS death. I have committed even before setting pen to paper the essential crime that contains all others unto itself…...

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By Leefeller, October 3, 2007 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

Democracy is not in the ball park, the intent is to establish the new world order, which does not care the least about the people on both sides of the world.

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By Michael Shaw, October 3, 2007 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

104426 I’m in lockstep with you Ernest. The Project for a New American Century has nothing to do with democracy, either here or in Iraq. Those permanent military bases in both Iraq and Afghanistan are there for one clear reason. To protect the flow of oil. This of course more than anything else, makes the so called war on terror, so called.

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By cann4ing, October 3, 2007 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

To Michael Shaw and Guido:  There are reasons why the Bush administration invaded Iraq.  These are listed in my earlier post (102823).  These reasons, which can be summarized by the words “imperial conquest,” “never” included bringing democracy or freedom to Iraq and its people.  That is unless you are prepared to accept one of the three major slogan’s from Orwell’s “1984”—“WAR IS PEACE,” “FREEDOM IS SLAVERY” or “IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.”

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 3, 2007 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

#104295 by Guido on 10/03 at 3:13 am: “...Beyond the religious cross currents traversing the Arabian peninsula, there are even more important social customs and traditions that add to the difficulty of establishing a Western style democracy in the Middle East.

Amongst the countless customs that preclude democracy, the lack of definition of the individual is the most fundamental….”

People have supplanted the idea of ‘freedom’ with a superficial catchcry for ‘democracy’. People have forgotten that, in the West, democracy was originally merely a mechanism for preventing or ending their own compulsive addiction to civil wars in the past.

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By Guido, October 3, 2007 at 4:13 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Ritter makes an excellent point on which I would like to expand.

Beyond the religious cross currents traversing the Arabian peninsula, there are even more important social customs and traditions that add to the difficulty of establishing a Western style democracy in the Middle East.

Amongst the countless customs that preclude democracy, the lack of definition of the individual is the most fundamental.

In Arab society the individual is not recognized if not within the context of his extended family. This simple fact, denies one of the pillars unto which democracy is based.


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By John Borowski, October 2, 2007 at 5:26 am Link to this comment
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We are in a bad situation (The British call it sticky) in Iraq. With billions of dollars spent on the war in Iraq we have nothing to show for it except boxes brought back to Delaware. The Republicans (Aka Conservative right-wingers) have put us into a proverbial “roach-motel”. Once we get in there we can’t get out.  We stay and spend billions for little gain (Except for the robber baron crowd) and more dead soldiers. We leave Iraq and it will only encourage still more small countries to challenge us.

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By cann4ing, September 26, 2007 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, CrossHair but your rant misses the mark.  The war in Iraq is precisely what the Neocon Project for a New American Century said it would be—imperial conquest intended to secure a permanent base of operations for the extension of U.S. hegemony over the whole of the oil rich Middle East.  Secondarily, it is designed to secure the goals of what Naomi Klein refers to as the “disaster capitalism complex.”  She notes that the “ultimate goal for the corporations at the center of the complex is to bring the model of for-profit government…into the ordinary and day-to-day functioning of the state—in effect, to privatize the gtovernment….The role of the government in this unending war is not that of an administrator managing a network of of contractors but of a deep-pocketed venture capitalist, both providing the seed money for the complex’s creation and becoming the biggest customer for its new services.”

As noted by the Nation magazine, “an Iraqi is killed every ten minutes and an American soldier every ten hours.  And every ten days, $2 billion is taken from our Treasury and pumped into the coffers of Blackwater, Halliburton and other war profiteers.”

By now most Americans understand that this war was never about WMD, links between Saddam & al Qaeda-9/11.  Many Americans are beginning to understand that it was also not about bringing democracy and freedom to Iraq.  As he departed, Paul Bremer imposed 100 edicts ranging from total immunity from Iraqi laws for all coalition forces and contrators, including the Blackwater mercenaries, to a complete take over of Iraq’s economy by foreign corporations who have no obligation to hire Iraqis and can withdraw capital at their leisure.  At the eleventh hour, all 100 edicts were written into the final draft of the Iraqi Constitution by Ambassador Khalizad and a few hand-picked Iraqis so that when 9.8 million Iraqis went to the polls in October, 2005 they ratified a constitution only a select few had seen—a constitution that makes claims of Iraqi “sovereignty” a complete sham.

This war was “never” about preventing genocide.  To the contrary, part of the imperial divide-and-conquer strategy was to exploit sectarian differences by first funding Shiite militias, with former Ambassador Negroponte importing the notorious “Salvador option”—a tried and true method of death squad terror to control a subject population used previously by U.S.-trained military allies in Central America.  More recently, the U.S. has funded former Sunni insurgents who have put their funds to use in carrying out ethnic cleansing of Shiites.

Where the issue of “power” comes in is here in the U.S. where the administration has parlayed a fear-driven, Orwellian “war on terror” into an assault on the separation of powers and civil liberties while seeking to create a “Unitary Executive” of unlimited dictatorial power.

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By Conservative Yankee, September 26, 2007 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment
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102775 by CrossHair on 9/26 at 12:40 pm

“Wake up.  REALLY WAKE UP.  And think…without jumping to conclusions that even Scott is not infallible from.”

I’m awake.

I disagree

Great sentence structure.

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By CrossHair, September 26, 2007 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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Quick points.

1.  I thank Scott Ritter for the concise history which was covered. I’ll be sure and verify results independantly to weed out personal flavors.

2.  I do not conclude from the history rundown that American Soldiers in the region are to blame for escalation, only an opportunity by the Wahhabi’s to influence people who are not in their right mind anyways.  The US is not going around setting off bombs. The Wahhabi’s and likely Iran are both funding and providing supplies (including bodies) in hopes of conquest over Iraq for both its religious significance as well as its oil.

3.  This is about Power.  The US seeks to reshape the power structure in the region. Iran wishes to instill its religious and political power there, Saudi Arabia wishes to instill its religious and political power there.  The original split of Islam was over POWER over the PEOPLE.  ISLAM has a total of 3 Power Basis all competing for control of the faithful - not unlike Catholics and Protestants fighting in Ireland.

4.  People United Stand, Divided they fall:  Its amazing to hear the fear spewed by people who want to see America Punished and believe we are to blame for centuries of Bloody, Violent Warfare in that Region long before USA was ever created.  How about this folks.  How about wishing for the “PEOPLE” to unite and overthrow their religious dictators!.  Sunni and Shia families are kind, caring and loving families that relate to each other at the personal family levels. It is the Powers over those faiths that are at war. 

Finally, Oh Sh*t….did you ever consider how powerful AMERICA is when it stands together??? Instead of bickering in the streets, in Congress or on website forums?  Lol.  You guys crack me up.

So look.  I appreciate Scott putting this out so that a more informed discussion can take place.  And I also agree that we need to define the problem.  However, to define a problem…you have to first have to define what your goal is first.  If I want to grow oranges and conclude the ground is not furtile because I planted grapes instead of oranges.

Based on the possible or likely Power change that the Bush administration is attempting to establish and solidify, what then are the problems that block it from occurring NOW.  Simply pointing to History and saying that we don’t understand and should pull the troops out….is a choice action.  What you should be equally asking yourself is this.  If pulling the troops out is a means of correcting a “Problem” based on ignorace of history…what is the end result and goal that you think will take place at this time by their prompt removal?  Are you going to rationalize the waves of Iranian Shias or Wahhabi’s who would come into Iraq and kill all in their path?  Remember folks, they have already sworn to kill the unfaithful..what we are doing in part is to prevent that.  Absence from the scene only continues the play.

We send American troops to Bosnia and other parts of the world to stop or prevent genocide, do you think so little of the Middle East that you would not see the same happening there, has already happened under Saddam Hussein and consider your hands clean. 

Wake up.  REALLY WAKE UP.  And think…without jumping to conclusions that even Scott is not infallible from.

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By Pastor Ted, September 22, 2007 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment
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Look on the face of the Arbusto regime, and, if you don’t turn into a Moonie, remember it well. Because this is what we’re up against, in America: an evil that is almost demonic in its pure malevolence, a dark destructive spirit that feeds on pain and is animated by the will to crush its enemies underfoot. This is the face of an enemy that _must_ be defeated.

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By Anne, September 20, 2007 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment
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It apparrent that those that wrote Project for A New American Century, the Bush administration and even the corporations involved in the Iraq fiasco never bothered to delve into the history of middle east as Scott Ritter has done.  It is also obvious that had they done so, we wouldn’t be in the middle of this mess with so much death.  Now I wonder how many Americans will bother with it either and still say we should ‘stay the course’.  It would be nice if just one major news network would cover it as well as Scott did , since the only way the majority of Americans would ever hear of it would be to have it presented ‘intertainingly’ on t.v.  “Know thy enemy” once used to be one of the major standards for being sucessful in going to war.  It seems that the advance of war technology using impersonal bombs and missles has erased the mental ability to begin to know what one is getting into, much less to comprehend their enemy.

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By Lisa, September 18, 2007 at 9:38 am Link to this comment
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Good Grief folks stop complaing and DO something! We as Americans do have POWER we put these idiots in office so start speaking UP! And STOP complaining and doing NOTHING!

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By Conservative Yankee, September 16, 2007 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
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100742 by hippy pam on 9/16 at 11:43 am


Somebody, anybody, saved face during Vietnam?  When, who, and how?

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By MizBurns, September 16, 2007 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment
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Everybody’s beating a dead horse.  What is left to be said about our having gotten into and the prospects for getting out of Iraq?  Short of a bloody revolution, the status quo will prevail, ad infinitum.  And Americans will never revolt.  The country is too vast, too varied, too comfortable, and it would be impossible to unite a sufficient numbr of people to a single cause.  Sorry to be pessimistic, but when we have a Congress reluctant to impeach a team of traitors and criminals, there is no viable remedy.  All the jawboning in the world is not going to solve anything, and unless demonstrations succeed in shutting down D.C., they will remain ineffective.  Sorry.  That’s just the way it is.

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By 1drees, September 14, 2007 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment
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INtresting to note that the “RED WHITE & BLUE FLU” on sept 11 2007 went by so snmooth that nobody even noticed it. GOOD going USA now we are certain that some desperately needed changes are certainhly never goign to come, which convinces me that teh people who call the American people as “Sheeple” are very right.

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By Conservative Yankee, September 13, 2007 at 5:18 am Link to this comment
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100138 by hippy pam on 9/13 at 3:37 am


As likely as Joan Blades and Wes Boyd’s Move-on and Pat Robinson’s rabid right joining hands and singing “We shall overcome”

There are some splits that are just not joinable. 

Genocide from both sides against the other contribute to the annomosity, but it goes far deeper, and the story reads like the bible.

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By rangertommy, September 12, 2007 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

Scott Ritter Wrote: “A pop quiz, consisting of one question in two parts.  Most readers might complain that it is not realistic to expect mainstream America to possess the knowledge necessary to achieve the level of comprehension required to pass this quiz.  I agree.  However, since the mission of the United States in Iraq has shifted from disarming Saddam to installing democracy to creating stability, I think it only fair that the American people be asked about those elements that are most relevant to the issue, namely the Shiite and Sunni faithful and how they interact with one another.”

Here’s my question: What business did the U.S. Government have deciding to topple Saddam when it didn’t understand the most basic things about the religious and social makeup of Iraq?  What business did (and does) the citizenry of the U.S. have in supporting that about which it did not have a clue?  “We don’t understand squat about them crazies over there in I-rack, but it’s clear we gotta bomb the crap out of ‘em!!”  Or there’s Bush, upon hearing for the first time that there were Sunnis and Shiites: “I thought they were Muslims.”

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By Anthony, September 11, 2007 at 1:10 am Link to this comment
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Most people are knowledgable.  Its just they aren’t knowledgable about politics, religions they aren’t apart of, economics, and etc.  Everyone is knowledgable; it just isn’t the knowledge you think they should have. 

The Iraq civil war in a nut shell.  Shites are 65-70% of the population, and with a commanding majority, everyone in the minority, sunnis/kurds, feels they are getting the shaft, which they are. They also have no hope of ever governing their country, because of the population imbalance and a two party system.  The shites and sunnis can’t compromise, because their religions don’t allow it.  So they kill each other, because of the power struggle.  With the US defending the shite government, sunnis can only rebel, by using IEDs. The only way for a compromise to happen is the shite government and sunni minority get sick of killing each other and compromise which may never happen, or the shites or sunnis genocide the other.  The best compromise is to have the nation split oil revenue and all assets of the nation by population percentage.  Let the sunnis govern themselves.

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By Mia, September 8, 2007 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment
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Well, I guess I shouldn’t comment on this site, then.  I’m too ignorant.  Puhleeze.  Why do I need to know all this stuff about the Middle East? Is there a new Trivial Pursuit Game out?  When I go out and get my federally mandated Real ID, am I going to be quizzed on this?  Is this website a front for the federal surveillance program?  No, I’m not gay. I have sex at least 3 times a month.  I haven’t read any porn lately.  What other meaningless stuff do you want to know about me that supposedly will improve our nation’s security?  It’s 2:05 in the morning.  I’m waiting for my caffeine to wear off. I picked your website by random.  I was actually researching Michael Moore’s Sicko.  People are suffering here in the U.S.  If the government was capable of providing a smidgen of leadership in cleaning up Louisiana, I would be convinced that we should stay in Iraq.  And with a more competent administration.

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By nappyblack, September 5, 2007 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Conservative Yankee: THANK YOU DEARLY, SIR!!! You have reminded me and the rest of these writers - many of them in their own right too ignorant to have made a cursory investigation of a more whole truth - and Scott Ritter of America’s Untold [Slave] Labor Story and history of incidents where business owners have used any cheap labor they can get (and not insure) to harvest crops, mine coal, and sew garments! I will reserve further comment on Mr. Ritter’s story later.

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By Conservative Yankee, September 4, 2007 at 6:47 am Link to this comment
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97941 by Harold J macek on 8/31 at 11:12 am

“For fifty years no one complained about illegal scab labor.”

What fifty years was that? In the Seventies Caesar Chavez complained bitterly about the illegal labor from the south being used to break his UFW.In the 40’s and 50’s the KKK marched here in Maine to prevent illegal French Canadians from taking lumbering jobs. In the 1930’s The UAW complained about Ford’s propensity to import labor from Cuba and the DR to break strikes.  In the 20’s restaurant workers in California found their wages being trimmed because illegal Mexicans worked for less money. Before the teens, there were no restrictions on foreign labor.

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By Renfro, September 3, 2007 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment
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This physics student knows with absolute certainty that Idiot Ritter is running off at the mouth as if he believes that “jet fuel” [sic] and gravity could have caused the WTC to disintegrate as it free-fell downward, which is absurd, ludicrous, ridiculous, and impossible.

Clearly, someone has the ability to unleash unimaginably intense energy without a whole lot of nasty radiation, which comprises a real energy breakthrough (one we’re obviously supposed to be too shocked and awed to notice, however).

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By Harold J macek, August 31, 2007 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment
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For fifty years no one complained about illegal scab labor..until—-our politicians in their quest for votes decided to award them our social security..This after many hospitals had to close there E,R. rooms because of illegal scab laborers who could not pay thier bills..illegals are just scab more, no less..The companys who use them are depending on the taxpayers of this country to support its workers..with welfare, and health insurance..paid for by the legal taxpayers of this country..immigants from European nations not only pay thier way, they learn english..

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By Debra, August 31, 2007 at 8:10 am Link to this comment
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Scott Ritter seems to say that if Americans are to express any opinion at all on the current debacle in Iraq, they must first demonstrate a level of knowledge about the varied strains of Islam far beyond that of many well-educated Muslims.  (I was educated in Catholic schools from first to twelfth grade—ask me about Albigensianism and get a sputter.)
The people can see that the war was begun and prosecuted with no understanding of the history of the Iraqi people or the wars within and around Islam itself.  We don’t need to attain Ritter’s level of expertise to see that it’s time to get out.

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By Michael Shaw, August 25, 2007 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

95591 Aaron, what’s one sided is the “inside the beltway” major media that has supported this president and his illegal actions practically every step of the way and who somehow always manage to sidestep reporting any real points of significance but instead use payrolled pundits and so called experts to spew us what they call the undeniable truth.

This site contains alternative media, plain and simple, media that reports what the corporate media won’t and from actual journalists. There are no Krauthammer’s or Novak’s in here.

Though I agree with you to a point there is little difference between some democrats and republicans or most politicians for that matter, the bottom line is you’re in the wrong place if you’re looking for a George Bush cheer-leading squad. You would serve yourself better with News Max or perhaps a copy of Stars and Stripes.

As for blaming Bush for everything goes, there is nothing wrong with placing blame at the top since those at the top are ultimately responsible. Just ask Bill Clinton a few years back. That was when placing the blame on the top was very popular, especially in right wing circles.

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By Michael Shaw, August 25, 2007 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

95649. Well the fact of the matter stands that Scott Ritter was right about no weapons of mass destruction and those accusations that he was being paid by the enemy are as flimsy as were the accusations that were made on flimsy intelligence about an Iraqi visiting the same hotel in France an al Quiada member did, that suddenly “proving” Saddam had ties to 9/11.

Ritter received 400,000 dollars in funding to make a film documentary from an Iraqi American businessman and now suddenly he’s a traitor? Well that must make Reagan one too for supplying arms to Iran during the Iran/Contra scandal after he himself helped promote a law banning US companies in doing business with them. This Iraqi American, Shaker Al Khaffiji was involved illegally in the oil for food program. So were several Israeli and American banks and businessmen and UN officials. Since when do the actions of one suddenly become the actions of another? Only when the neocons say so? The fact the government took no action against Ritter is proof enough he wasn’t aiding the enemy. If he were his ass would have been hanging from a flag pole.

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By Michael Shaw, August 25, 2007 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

96843 Hi June. I know they’ve been arming Shiites and we know about the new arms deal going to Saudi Arabia where 50% of the insurgent fighters in Iraq are coming from. Frankly I think your right! Our largest export has always been weapons. In fact today it’s practically our only export. Now with the perpetual war on terror rolling along, its a dream come true for the munitions manufacturers!

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By June, August 25, 2007 at 10:46 am Link to this comment
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A recent news article revealed that the US is now arming the Sunnis big time.  You would think that the way to end the civil conflict in Iraq would be to DISarm everybody, wouldn’t you?  But that would make too much sense and also deprive our monstrous weapons industry of some potential sales, ergo profit. Let’s face it: we’re in the business of promoting war anywhere we can to shore up our economy.  Turning swords into plowshares is not part of the religious (read political) agenda in this country.

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By cann4ing, August 17, 2007 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

Hate to disagree with a fellow VietnamVet, but you overstated the percentage who still support the dissembling fascist who presently goes by the title “President of the United States.”  It’s dropped all the way to 26%.

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By eczinege, August 17, 2007 at 9:48 am Link to this comment
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Scott Ritter was accused by the Bush adm./Rowe/of accepting 200K dollars form Saddam Hussein in order to claim that he deas not have WMD.
Scott was angry at that time.He was on CNN.It was the same type of accusation as Valerie Plames.Accepting money from tghe enemy is treason .Is not it.This is an other exemple of false accusations and its criminal.If anyone knows did Scott Ritter take any legal action against the goverment?

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By VietnamVet, August 17, 2007 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

RE: #95591 by Aaron on 8/16 at 9:32 pm

Good try! My question to you is similar to yours:
What makes you an authority on what Bush is NOT? There is far more PUBLISHED information on what he IS than what he IS NOT. Of course, 30 percenters like you just refuse to believe what they read and what the evidence points to.

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By Aaron, August 16, 2007 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment
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I love how most of you like to blame everything on President Bush.  What makes you the experts on him?  Do you honestly think that all of what you read on this pathetic website actually is truthful and honest.  It is so one-sided.  Let me guess some of you think Pres. Bush, knew about 9/11, or he is such a little hitler?  To those of you who believe those things you are just out there to have the man and blame all the problems on him.  Remember, as of right know the dems in congress have even a lower approval rating than the president. Yeah, the good ole’ dems who by the way, mostly voted for the war, must be little hitlers and terrorists too!

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By 1drees, August 16, 2007 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment
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USA is far far away from being a perfect land for its people BUT that is not the problem that the people of the world worry about, the problem is that USA keeps attacking & destroying other people for no evident reason or logic. AND soon unfortunately Americans might be subject to a martial law like condition or maybe they already are ( me hates martial law and shits like that so i sympathise with the people)
BUT comming soon is the North American Union which would incorporate Canada and Mexico into this bloody nightmare already unfolding in the USA, so i see that the govt is still busy exporting negative influences to others even now. (such as mk77 bombs,daily depleted uranium showerss, meddling in other’s selection of leaders eg as with Hamas or the choice of Iraqi people, etc etc, frankly speaking americans are OBNOXIOUS as a people and especially govt)
Funny that all americans keep saying that i do not support my government in all its evil deeds, so friends tell me if you all never support it all then how come it just keeps on happenning & happenning and supposing it’s only a marginal percentage of Zionist stupidos then what kind of a Democracy or Freedom have you all had so far, i mean its obvious that if you dont support your govt then how can it keep doing what it keeps doing.

Just a brief comparison with “the pathetic 3rd world couuntry of Pakistan” Bush declares himself the “decider” and says he replies to no one nobody was able to dare to question him. Musharraf pulls the same george bush move in pakistan and the Supreme Court issued him a notice that since he is human afterall therefore he will respond to queries as and when they arise and as needed by the Supreme Court. THEN Bush fired 8 judges and US courts threw out their appeal to be reinstated. Musharraf tried to fire one judge and the Supreme Court restored him.

So much for your brand of Democracy being the most superior in the world, you dimwits need to wake the hell up and see yourself as you goyims actually are. not so free and not so powerful as citizens BUT with surely a tremendously dangerous armed forces that keep killing any people that the Zionist want killed for their monetary benefits.

My fav political song of this age, American Idiot by Greenday

baske yourself in the sounds of the American idiots beat

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By Michael Shaw, August 14, 2007 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

Who are you talking about, those 71 republicrats who just sold the 4th amendment down the river?

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By againstneocons, August 14, 2007 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment
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Was It Really Worth It, Mrs. Albright?

By Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair

What moved those kamikaze Muslims to embark, some many months ago on the training that they knew would culminate in their deaths as well of those (they must have hoped) of thousands upon thousands of innocent people? Was it the Koran plus a tape from Osama bin Laden? The dream of a world in which all men wear untrimmed beards and women have to stay at home or go outside only when enveloped in blue tents? I doubt it. If I had to cite what steeled their resolve the list would surely include the exchange on CBS in 1996 between [Bill Clinton’s (Zionist) Secretary of State] Madeleine Albright and then US ambassador to the United Nations and Lesley Stahl. Albright was maintaining that sanctions had yielded important concessions from Saddam Hussein.

Stahl: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And you know, is the price worth it?”

Albright: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price ­ we think

the price is worth it.”

They read that exchange in the Middle East. It was infamous all over the Arab world. I’ll bet the September 11 kamikazes knew it well enough, just as they could tell you the crimes wrought against the Palestinians. So would it be unfair today to take Madeleine Albright down to the ruins of the Trade Towers, remind her of that exchange, and point out that the price turned out also to include that awful mortuary. Was that price worth it too, Mrs. Albright?

Well, the typists and messenger boys and back-office staffs throughout the Trade Center didn’t know that history. There’s a lot of other relevant history they probably didn’t know but which those men on the attack planes did. How could those people in the Towers have known, when US political and journalistic culture is a conspiracy to perpetuate their ignorance? Those people on the Towers were innocent portions of the price that Albright insisted, in just one of its applications, as being worth it. It would honor their memory to insist that in future our press offers a better accounting of how America’s wars for Freedom are fought and what the actual price might include.


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By Michael Shaw, August 12, 2007 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

94085 Claude, I have a friend who also served in WW2 in the Pacific. He feels the same as you do and also remembers Hitler. When he sees a guy like Bush he scratches his heading wondering why in the hell we even bothered to fight fascism in the first place!

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By Skruff, August 12, 2007 at 6:49 am Link to this comment
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“gavel was slammed before all the votes were tallied”

No, the tally board (done with lites nexxt to names) clearly showed 215-213 to kill the measure.

an illegal “reconsideration” allows time for exactly the bought&paid;-for representation you have bemoaned in other posts. How much is a “face saving” vote worth here?

AND in case you haven’t been watching the Democratic leadership (In League with Bush and McCain) have been attempting to shove this amnestey and attached perks for illegals legislation down the throats of citizens despite a 70% majority favoring expulsion.

The argument of the pro “let-em-all-in” crowd has been “they’re good for the economy because they are doing jobs US citizens will not do”  If they are here to work, why do they need welfare? Food stamps?

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By Claude, August 11, 2007 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment
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Lets start by saying citizens of the USofA are as good as the citizens of any other country on the face of the planet. Lets finish by saying that the more I know and   hear about this George Bush guy the more I remember Adolf Hitler and the second world war and yes, I’m old enough to remember those days.

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