Thanks Gutsf for the referral you posted. I dislike sites you still pint the finger that Arabs were allowed to bomb WTC & Pantygone (joke).
I came across this site last week and should be of interest
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6209
Concrete (bunker) bombs were developed in Clinton’s era.Bush could not have pulled the 911 after 8 months in office.
Quote from it-"The factual evidence indicates that our government is using and has used 3rd or possibly 4th generation hydrogen bombs domestically and internationally. The evidence for international usage is not quite as strong as the domestic usage, but when domestic usage is considered, the international usage seems inescapable. The process of exclusion based on the known facts leaves only one viable option for the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings - a relatively pure hydrogen bomb.”
Bush/Clinton regimes are worse than Stalin’s.

Like in America all of our media(even our CBC) is zionist controlled. Odd thing ,why are they so afraid to question who really done it?
John Hanks has balls to post his views in public.  I tried just once on Crooks and Liars blog site and got band just for questioning 911 bombings. Now how could a anti Bush site and pro site for the Demoos not want to expose 911 or the anthrax?
Here is one of my favourite clips of an old movie. While you watch it---Beckie as Nancy Pelosie and Ron Paul as Mosnick
ENJOY!
http://www.mahalo.com/Invasion_of_the_body_snatchers

I just keep standing by the road at least once a week with a sign that says:  (Bush ordered 911).  I also have a handmade sign on my car that says: (Hitler did a 911 Stunt too)

I do this not to convert, but to validate all of those who agree.

Every generation of Americans produces a new set of suckers to be fooled by both the Republicans and the Democrats.  The Republicans (right-wing) set up 911, and the Democrats let them get away with it.  In effect, the Democrats drove their getaway car.

The gilded age, the Spanish-American War, the Coup attempt of 1933, the sabotaged 1968 Peace Talks, many rigged elections including the October Surprise, and numerous other acts of treason and coverup testify to the character of both “parties”, which are really just one.  True to character, the Democrats won’t really investigate 911 either.

I’m old school, so I was educated before that system was used for social engineering. The more people are educated within the system and exposed to mainstream media, the less they know and will not take time to investigate
alternative theories, ideas, perspectives.
Conspiracy theories, at least those concerned with the global economy and geopolitics, tend to makes sense. Investigative reporter Jim Keith put it beautifully when he said:
“If you don’t realize this planet is ruled by a criminal elite, you haven’t been paying attention.”

If Hitlery or McCrazie get to be president---USA will be in big do-do. Markets will crash. Head for the hills. At least with Obama--- he will pander to the black community instead of Israel firsters. If he does not--they have ways of keeping Obomba straight.  Forget about any future oresident opening a new 911 investigation--never cause CIA/MOSSAD did it. If anyone did--they would be dead in no time!

While I respect your opinion about Obama, it is not the Jerry Wright thing that pushes me away from his candidacy.

Actually I like Jerry better than I like the silver-tongued devils running for high office.

Token and The corporate whore are indistingushable in their positions. One voted to start the Iraq war and they both voted to continue it. Both have taked over a Million and a half from Citi-Group the Jabba-the-hut bank behind the mortgage crisis. Both are getting money from Insurance, Pharma, and Bill Gates.

Both are free-traders, both are amnesty supporters, and neither has a plan which they care to impart.

they are waste-paper for my money.

It is the large-scale ridiculing of all conspiracy theories, without bothering to become acquainted with even one.  All governments are founded on lies and bullying, and yet no one is willing to even consider the idea.

Sam you say:
“How is Clinton a fit woman to govern a country? Not that Obama’s any better…”

I wouldn’t trust either of them to cook my lunch, much less run my life!

I hope he collects his settlement in prison.

I think it is better to make accusations and forget the “theory” stuff.  Only accusations and assumptions of guilt can force any real investigation.  Heat is more important than light.  Israel, Saudi Arabia, Neocons, and Republicans did 911.  They don’t have an opposing theory.  they have a cover-up.

911 came about as a result of a movement, which then conspired against the people of the United States to get them to wage war on the Middle East.  It is almost a certainty that big oil and the pentagon were intimately involved along with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel and the Republican leadership.

Throughout this and other sites, the continued association of two unfriendly words, Theory and Conspiracy, that were most intentionally introduced together virtually into our gene pool after the 40s when the Nuclear Family concept was also launched to sell stuff,is unconscionable. It is not to be continued by any thinking or unthinking person. That association, now almost impossible to sunder, was even then preparing for the martial takeover of the country the current apparent government has been about this last decade. You may say Conspiracy Belief, but Theory, like quantum reality, is a tangible reality. And Belief is what theory floats upon.
This is a very serious challenge to diggers of all types at all truth information levels to not give away our freedom by the speaking and thus embracing of a malevolent mind virus.

I have my doubts whether Hillary or Obama call for an investigation.  Traditionally, the Democrats always find it more important to forget it and move on.

It will be interesting to see how they will insist on taking care of everything except a thorough investigation of 911.  They covered up Reagan’s first coup, the Nixon Kissinger sabotage of the 68 Peace Talks, April Gillaspie and Gulf War 1, not to mention the attempted coup of 1933 and Prescott Bush’s money for Hitler.

Republicans do the gouging, while the Democrats do the finishing work.

Mania=--try explaining how jet fuel can melt guns.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/9-11guns/
“THESE GUNS ARE ON DISPLAY AT THE NEW YORK POLICE MUSEUM. CONCRETE MELTS AT 3000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT, PROVING THAT TEMPERATURES INSIDE THE COLLAPSED WORLD TRADE CENTER HAD TO BE AT LEAST THAT HIGH.”
Now ask yourself--why none of this had been major news.-Answer==Zion Media knows that CIA/MI6/ MOSSAD did the WTC attacks. Just imagine if one dares to expose the trio--no media will touch it . Or found dead in 24 hrs.Recall the missing nuke missile--7 of the informers have been found dead--my ass-just all accidents. On this issue ,the media was all on Britney Spears. Time to take out the Zion corrupt media and replace it with Chinese control.

“Don’t be Fooled.  Republicans Lie Out of Disrespect”
“Send a Reply.  Join a MEAN union”

“The Criminal Mind thinks It Is Smarter than the Ordinary Mind, Mr.Bond”

“No Rugged Individual Ever Looked Good without his Toadies”

“Homeland Protection Racket:  If Crooks Can Spy on You, They Can Steal from You.”

“Tax It Back!  Republicans Use Crook Media to Steal”

“Vote Blind.  There Has to be a Pinata Somewhere”

“No Free Enterprise...Just the Same Marked Deck”

“Socialisms Turn Big Crooks into Little Crooks”

an article on Rense.com about Israeli software and the FAA.

By Maani, January 1 at 12:40 pm #

“I have recently heard that the battle of Dien Bien Phu (1954) was a French “false flag” operation in which the French deliberately air-bombed their own special forces in order to have an excuse to pull out of Vietnam.

Can anyone shed light on this theory?”

The PBS has a relatively accurate depiction of Vietnam the 10,000 day war” which airs Saturday’s at 6:30 AM in the Eastern United States. (check local listings) It is a doucmentary complete with film footage of the actual events. 

The French did not need a false flag event to leave Vietnam. Their people were tired of the endless drain of monetary resources, and returning dead.

Eisenhower began bailing the French out as soon as he took office. By 1954, the US was paying 80% of the costs of that war. At the time we were the sole power able to fight a continuing war.... AND, let’s face it (finally) the Viet Minh were just far more committed than some far away foreign power. Dien Bien Phu was a rout pure and simple. the French got their asses handed to them by the committed locals who gained the higher ground. If you doubt this check out the satellite data on the area surrounding Dien Bien Phu!

Those hills (above the French fire bases) are dense jungle, and the colonials believed them to be of no use to the Viet Minh.... they were wrong. Add to this the fact that the monsoon season had just begun, and you see that the French couldn’t walk and chew gum at the same time....

“...the mainstream press...”

Is that the Enquirer or the Globe?

Hey, everybody - have you heard the news?  It seems that the assassination of Benazir Bhutto was carried out by...Al Qaeda!  Yup!  The all-purpose bogeyman is trotted out yet again!  So tell me, kiddies, can you spell “never-ending war on terror propaganda?”

LOOSE NUKES SCARE 0:35
Air Force Secretary MICHAEL WYNNE talks about the “mistaken” flight of nuclear warheads across the country in August.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/10/19/sot.wyn ne.loose.nukes.cnn

Air Force Secretary MICHAEL WYNNE:  “Nearly two months ago, ‘a series of’, ‘apparent errors’, led to a breakdown, in munitions handling procedures, and resulted in our, improper and unauthorised transfer, of six weapons.  This was ‘an unexceptable mistake’ (so shouldn’t Wynne resign? Should automatically be sacked), and a clear deviation from our exacting standards.  We hold ourselves accountable, to the American people, and want to ensure, proper corrective action, has been taken.”

NUCLEAR WARHEAD ACCOUNTABILITY 2:00
Air Force officers to be fired, and others face possible criminal charges after mishandling nuclear warheads. 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/19/loose.nukes/index.htm l?iref=newssearch#cnnSTCVideo

“For 36 hours no one knew the weapons were outside Air Force safeguards that are supposed to be failsafe. ... Among the questions Air Force investigators looked at was ‘a waiver granted’ to store the ‘live’ nuclear weapons in the same bunker at Minot [Air Force Base in North Dakota] as missiles with dummy warheads, leading to the mistake.  Who authorised the waiver, and why?”

Seems very sinister. A practice run for another false flag op? Highly probable.

ADM. MIKE MULLEN (JOINT CHIEFS CHAIRMAN):  “Certainly, being at a point where we can assure everybody that we have control of these weapons, in a very assured way, is where we, is where we absolutely have to be.”

Comforting.

Air Force officers relieved of duty over loose nukes
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/19/loose.nukes/index.htm l?iref=newssearch

“A six-week probe into the mistaken flight of nuclear warheads across the country uncovered a “lackadaisical” attention to detail in day-to-day operations at the air bases involved in the incident, an Air Force official said Friday (10/19/07).”

“Our extensive, six-week investigation found that this was ‘an isolated incident’ and that the weapons never left the custody of airmen—were never unsecured—but clearly this incident is unacceptable to the people of the United States and to the United States Air Force.”—Maj. Gen. Dick Newton, assistant deputy chief of staff for operations.

“Relieved of duty were ... Newton didn’t name any of the officers, but Col. Bruce Emig had been the commander of the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot.”

“A number of other personnel—“under 100,” Newton said, including the entire 5th Bomb Wing at Minot—have lost their ‘certification to handle sensitive weaponry’.” Ooh,—“lost their ‘certification to handle sensitive weaponry’.”

“The matter will be referred to an Air Force convening authority to find out whether there’s enough evidence to bring charges or any other disciplinary action against any personnel, Newton said.”

Meanwhile:  “Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne called the incident “an unacceptable mistake and a clear deviation for our exacting standards.” Ho-hum.

“Wynne has convened a ‘blue-ribbon panel’ to review all of the Air Force’s security procedures and adherence to them.  That panel is to report back on January 15.” (Presumably, 2008.)

“The bomber carried six nuclear warheads on ‘air-launched cruise missiles’, but the warheads should have been removed from the missiles before they were attached to the B-52.”

Merry Christmas Maani & All.

Sam:

Re the nuclear weapon transport incident, it is instructive to note that over 70 people were canned for this.  70!  Yet not ONE SINGLE PERSON has been fired for the 9/11 attacks, either for negligence, incompetence or malfeasance.  In fact, at least two (and I think three) high-level people who at least should have known more, and might well have been complicit, were given the Medal of Freedom!!

Peace.

Douglas:

“...when the NEXT “Pearl Harbor-like event” actually occurs, uhh!” (Post #122188)

Putting two and two together, when this following story came over the airwaves (Sep 6, 2007, though it seemed more recent), again it backs up what Webre is forecasting: a very probable nuclear strike on US soil.

“Air Force investigates mistaken transport of nuclear warheads” - Thu September 6, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/05/loose.nukes/index.html

However they assure us:

“A military official told CNN there was no nuclear risk to public safety because the weapons were not armed. Officials believe that if the plane had crashed or the missiles somehow had fallen off the wings, the warheads would have remained inert and there would have been no nuclear detonation, though conventional explosive material in the warhead could have detonated.”

Nukes flown across U.S.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/05/loose.nukes/index.htm l#cnnSTCVideo

“This is unprecedented; nobody remembers another instance like this.”

Doug:

Sorry to upset you...LOL.  I promise never again to show you the ugly underbelly of our cult(ure) of personality, celebrity-obsessed, small-minded, narrow society.  LOL.

Peace.

Whoa!  Scary!  This is what our democracy, our society has been reduced to.  The following is an actual excerpt - not a parody - from the Regis & Kelly show the other day.  As you watch, consider how many people tune in to them each morning (in the many, many millions) and how many people even KNOW who Amy Goodman is, much less tune into Democracy Now.

Yikes!

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2007/12/20/regis_phil bin_watches_democracy_now

Alex Jones’ false-flag terrorism alert mentioned on FOX News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GCWPbhUB9s&mode=re lated&search;Alex Jones Predicts 911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8&feature =related

Alfred Webre: “9/11, martial law.  ‘Martial law’ means ‘military government’.  Military government is when ordinary government is replaced by military government.  A matrix of martial law legislation, and executive orders of the Bush administration, is now in place, for the abolition of constitutional democracy, the relocation, incarceration, and depopulation of the North American public, and the illegal expropriation of its property.  This matrix is designed, to be activated by a 9/11-style false flag state-terror attack, against a major urban centre in the US, and/or abroad, possibly using nuclear, bioweapons, including the Avian Flu, or advanced exotic weapons, such as ‘directed energy weapons’.”

(Webre’s the last speaker on the ticket; starts at the 55:30 min mark.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=88578326297153 87909&q=Jim+Fetzer,+Cooper+Union&total=20& amp;start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plinde x=4

This guy Stephen Lendman is saying the exact same thing:

“-- a national space policy as part of the goal for “full spectrum dominance” over all land, surface and sub-surface sea, air, space, electromagnetic spectrum and information systems to deter any domestic or foreign threat or challenge to our global hegemony; and,

There’s one other crucially important combined NSPD-HSPD:

NSPD-51/HSPD-20 on April 4, 2007 - National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

This is a combined directive from the White House and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to establish “Continuity of Government (COG)” procedures under a “Castastrophic Emergency” defined as follows:

“any incident (such as a terrorist attack), regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the US population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.”

Now much of Alex Jones’s claims in Endgame don’t seem anywhere near as outlandish to my way of thinking.

Re: #121807 by Maani on 12/21 at 9:40 pm
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“Police State America - A Look Back and Ahead” by Stephen Lendman, Global Research, December 17, 2007

Maani, even though I’ve only had time to read up to page 4 (cut & pasted article into Word) this clearly confirms everything that Webre is saying and arguing, so surely it is “vital” that he is backed along with Loren Moray in establishing this “International Citizens 911 War Crimes Tribunal, to be convened under the jurisdiction of the Kuala Lumpur International War Crimes Tribunal established in February 2007 as a permanent citizens tribunal by the Perdana Global Peace Organisation chaired by Tun, Dr Marhatir Bin Mohammed, former prime minister of Malaysia (1981–2003), who is the first prominent world leader to take up the depleted uranium radiation issue.” (About 06:30 minutes into the video link below.)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4386908535098 033726&q=webre+tribunal&total=2&start=0&num =10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Good article Maani, but don’t forget to have a good look at:

#120662 by gutsf on 12/16 at 8:09 pm (1 comments total)

http://www.GetUpToSpeedFast.com/911/

Some very good reading/watching there as well.

All:

Absolutely must-read article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca:80/index.php?context=va& aid=7622

Peace.

From 5 years ago but still relevant:

Dr. Michael Parenti: “Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy”
http://www.workingtv.com:80/parenti.html

Parenti:  “I’d like to start with the most important one of those three. ... Most important of those three, which is globalisation. Globalisation is an attempt to extend corporate monopoly control, over the entire globe, over every national economy, over every local economy, over every life.  It does this by treating international corporate property rights, and international corporate investment rights, as supreme – as taking precedence over all other rights, including our democratic sovereignty.  You know, globalisation is being treated by its proponents, as a natural, inevitable process.  First we had, local economies, then they naturally became regional economies, and then national, and then international, and now one big global economy.  It just happens that way.  In fact, there’s nothing inevitable about it, and there’s certainly nothing natural about it. ‘Globalisation is being forced upon us through a series of secretive international trade agreements’.  Globalisation really, when you look at it historically, in a century’s old context, is a future variant of imperialism.  Imperialism is that system which the leading dominant elements in one country expropriate the land, the labour, the resources, the capital ... of other peoples of other countries.  And imperialism, imperialism itself, is an expansionist form of capitalism.”

How’s it tired in with 911?  Listen or watch the clips:
http://www.workingtv.com/parenti.html

Sam:

Re the quotes, lots of people say lots of things, not all of them serious, and certainly not all of them implementable or intended to be implemented.

Second, there is a HUGE difference between attempts to stabilize the earth’s population (what used to be called Zero Popoulation Growth, or ZPG) - which is what Buffett, Gates, Turner et al actually support - and “depopulation,” or any attempt to actually “kill off” a percentage of the earth’s population.

As for attempts to control how many children people have, no matter how real this is or might be it is simply unenforceable: people will have children if and when they want to, unless there are actually laws against it (and even that might not stop them): and no such laws exist - even in China, despite Jones’ assertion to the contrary.  Nor, by the way, was China successful in implementing the policy (not law) broadly when they tried to enforce it.

As an aside, I think we would actually all agree that overpopulation is among the most serious problems on the planet, and a threat to the continued existence of the human race vis-a-vis available resources.  I am not in any way suggesting that I support any particular concept here, only that Jones is playing fast and loose with words ("depopulation" as opposed to “population control” or other concept) and images.  And he continues to mix facts with demonstrably provable errors and/or hoaxes, which is unacceptable.

For example, the science is unclear re whether the sun is getting hotter.  The measure for this is called Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) and the scientific data that underlies TSI are called ACRIM I and ACRIM II.  According to this data, there is still some question as to whether the sun is or is not getting hotter.  HOWEVER, even if it is, it is only doing so by a tiny degree: .036 percent.  And according to the majority of news articles (both mainstream and alternative) on this, this increase might EXACERBATE problems of global warming, but is NOT CAUSING them.  This is confirmed by NASA, among others.

As well, Jones is COMPLETELY wrong regarding Mars and other planets.  Since Mars rotates on an axis and revolves around the sun, it has seasons just like earth does.  And the polar caps melt EVERY TIME Mars experiences the equivalent of its “summer,” which it is doing now.  And the polar caps re-constitute when Mars experiences the equivalent of its “winter.” As for other planets, according to NASA (among others), “Warming on another planet would be an interesting coincidence, but it would not necessarily be driven by the same causes.”

I am also outraged at Jones for two specifics.  First, his running roughshod over Rothschild’s responses.  Think what you will of the Rothschilds in general, Jones’ dismissals were unfounded and rude.  Second, his claim that the Gates’ work was “passed off as helping poor children.” In point of fact, the Gates’ are doing more to STOP diseases that kill millions of children - including malaria et al - than anyone else on the planet.

Re the “Georgia Guidestones,” I’d have to say that I heartily support all but the first.  Hope that doesn’t make me a proponent of the New World Order.  LOL.

Finally, if the “powers that be” (at least in the U.S.) are attempting “depopulation” measures, then can you explain why Madison Avenue and the corporate media - both of which are clearly part of “the system” - sell everything on...sex?  If they do not want people having children - which, I understand, requires sex (LOL) - then why would they push sex so hard on the general public?  And don’t tell me they support “protected” sex, since you hear NOTHING about contraception anymore.

Peace.

Maani, getting back to an earlier post, “#120054 by Maani on 12/13 at 5:07 pm”, in Pt.2 you said:

“WWF. How anyone could connect the founding of the World Wildlife Fund – an organization devoted to conservation, research and restoration of the natural environment – with something nefarious like the New World Order stretches credibility to new extremes: even bad people do good things once in a while, and if one or more of the founders of the WWF was of “questionable” character, this does not mean the organization has some ulterior motive.”

The question remains why would founding member of the WWF, Prince Philip of England (the ‘unquestionable’ one then if you wish) make such a comment:

“In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.” – Prince Philip, reported by Deutsche Press Agentur (DPA), August 1988

Why would Ted Turner say in an Audubon Magazine interview: “A total world population of 250-300 million people. A 95% decline from the present levels, would be ideal.”

Why would Dr Eric Pianka say: “And I actually think the world will be much better when there’s only 10 or 20 percent of us left.”

Alex Jones ENDGAME part 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co7aIx85rWg&NR=1

Know of any websites that discredit these quotes? And importantly, what are “The Georgia Guidestones” about? Apparently they’re inscribed with something to the effect in three languages or something:

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

Any idea what all this is about? And when you end your post: 

“So I would not put too much stock in the two reports* - despite how “serious” they sound.  At least not yet.”

“At least not yet.”? By the time the vast majority of Americans, Canadians and Mexicans wake up it’ll all be over red rover.

“In DC. the 911 coup is an open secret.” - #51597 by Jackie T. Gabel

John Anger and Jojo, good links.

*"THE AMERO” IS REAL; I HAVE ONE TO PROVE IT! UNITED STATES, CANADA AND MEXICO TO BE MERGED INTO SINGLE NEW ENTITY NAMED NORTH AMERICAN UNION!
http://www.halturnershow.com/AmeroCoinArrives.html

**PREMEDITATED MERGER - North American Union driver’s license created
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

Jojo:

Well…

It is unlikely that any new minting by the U.S. would be in gold.  And even if it were, there is already plenty of gold for that purpose.  But, as you know, gold has not been the underlying “value” of the U.S. dollar for some time; we unpegged the dollar from the gold standard decades ago.

As well, I question the claim that there was over “$167 billion” in gold under WTC.  The two largest gold repositories in the U.S. are the Federal Reserve in NYC (~$125 billion) and Ft. Knox (~$118 billion). I find it difficult in the extreme to believe that there was MORE gold under the WTC than in either of these caches.  This is not to say that there was not an awful lot of gold (and that it’s whereabouts, purposes and holders remain unknown), but methinks they dost exaggerate just a tad… (As Sam might say, this is where “intuition” comes in; i.e., whether something “feels” right.  I obviously cannot PROVE it, but the idea that there was more gold under the WTC than in the two largest repositories in the world just doesn’t jibe.)

Also, if OPEC is seeking to peg oil to a currency other than the dollar (which it is), it is BEYOND unlikely that they will peg it to a BRAND NEW currency - which (if it is) would be instituted at least partly because the dollar HAS become so weak, and is thus going to at very least BEGIN as an even WEAKER currency.

BTW, that looks like an excerpt from the revised )third?) edition of Loose Change, which I have not seen.  Looks good.

Peace.

Maaani---The missing gold from 911WTC attacks-!
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/238.html

Check it out--Gold stolen to be used for the new UsMexCan mintage ?
America needs a new currancy because Israel demands now that we pay their Welfares checks in Euros. The nerve of them . I bet they know who got the gold bricks !

Sam:

I want to give you a perfect example of what happens when one doesn’t do one’s own research.

Here are two links I want you to see, re the North American Union and the Amero.  Take the time to read the links before you scroll down to my comments.  It should only take you a few minutes for both.

http://www.halturnershow.com/AmeroCoinArrives.html

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

Read those first, then scroll down…
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Okay.  I’m sure you are all riled up now.  And feel vindicated, and expect an apology from me.  (LOL) Nope.  Because both of these are hoaxes.  And I went and did a great deal of real sleuthing on this because it did seem awfully strong.

Here is what I found out.

The designer of the coin, Daniel Carr, has been designing “mock” coins for many years.  As well, ALL of the coins he strikes have the “D” (which Turner claims “proves” it was struck at the Denver mint) because Carr lives in...Denver (and the government does not have a “copyright” on the “D”.) Indeed, the “Amero” coin looks EXACTLY like the coins Carr has been creating for about five years.

As well, I checked his website on WHOIS and found that, contrary to Turner’s claim that it “went up in a couple of days,” Carr’s website was created in 2005; i.e., he was clearly selling mock coins (ALL of which have the “D") for AT LEAST two years on the website (and probably for a few years prior by other means).  Here are links to Carr’s site and bio:

http://www.dc-coin.com/
http://www.designscomputed.com/coins/resume.html

As for the claimed North Carolina NAU (North American Union) drivers license, there is absolutely ZERO corroborating evidence on this claim.  As well, the writer of the article, Jerome Corsi, worked with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (not exactly known for their honesty...), and is under investigation by Media Matters for America (a left-center media watch group co-founded by Eric Alterman) for making anti-Islamic, anti-Catholic, anti-semitic and anti-homosexual comments on various forum threads.  Corsi has a horrible reputation as a journalist, having been accused of plagiarism and false authorship, among other things.

So I would not put too much stock in the two reports - despite how “serious” they sound.  At least not yet.

Peace.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/237.html
Alex Jones interviews Dean Haglund

This is a fascinating interview for many reasons.

Three that jump out are:

1. The clip of a television drama written in 2000 and broadcast in 2001 (before 9/11) that described a government terror attack on the World Trade Center using a hijacked plane. The motivation: to increase arms sales.

Shot in March of 2000. Written in January of 2000.

2. The routine canceling of financially successful programs that are critical of the government

3. The CIA’s program of sending fake psychics to Hollywood parties to develop relationships with producers, directors and actors to see what projects they’re working on before they’re publicly announced.

Who owns you Americans?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&NR=1

#51597 by Jackie T. Gabel on 2/04 at 1:28 pm
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“Changes in so-called progressive media direction and numerous MSM limited hangouts (books by Woodward, Lance, Drumheller, et al), point to this:  In DC. the 911 coup is an open secret. The scramble is on to rein in the madmen without blowing the coverup, exploding a constitutional crisis and precipitating a global financial meltdown, all of which is inevitable.

“But, now more than ever, putting on the pressure is critical. The madmen must be stopped before they start WWIII.

“Support 911Truth - End War of Terror
Investigae, indict, prosecute and execute!”

The problem with that is even if you do prosecute and execute “the madmen” the ruling oligarchy simply recruit a new lot practically overnight.  But Webre is on the right track when he says:

“...if the war criminal wants to work back in, and help restore, the environment, the community, that’s fine, and stop the [de]population and genocide, transform our energy priorities, transform the permanent war economy, to a space preservation treaty ... establishing sustainable economic development, our own economic institutions, so that we can achieve escape velocity, from the matrix,” there just might be some hope.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=88578326297153 87909&q=Jim+Fetzer,+Cooper+Union&total=20& amp;start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plinde x=4

Sam:

We could play the “my sources vs. your sources” game from now until the cows come home (Mooooo!  LOL).

Instead, let me just make a two-part statement that covers what I really want to say here.

First, while “instinct” can certainly play a part, I repeat (again...LOL) that it should not replace good old-fashioned research.  When I research something, I look at a minimum of six or seven websites (or other sources) that deal with, or at least mention, the particular person, place, thing, claim, etc.; i.e., I cross-reference a number of sources - some neutral, some that support my view, some that do not.  (It actually does not take that long to do this, which is why I was able to determine so quickly that errors were made by Webre and Jones.) By using this method, I am usually able to get a good sense of where the “truth” (or at least the most likely truth) is.  Is it an infallible method?  Nope.  But it is a good one which generally leads to more “solid” conclusions, at least where “facts” (as opposed to “instinct") are concerned.

Second, re Webre et al, all I will say is this.  He - and others like Ickes, Jones et al - all have good and supportable claims to make and things to say. But when people who have legitimate - and sometimes important - claims to make and things to say ALSO make patently ridiculous claims (we are all actually reptiles; Britain controls the U.S.; Shimon Peres murdered a U.S. senator; etc.) and say things that are either demonstrably untrue or simply “over-reaching,” then their credibility suffers across the board, and it makes it that much harder to determine which of their more “solid” claims/statements are such WITHOUT doing some real gumshoe research.