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Robert Scheer: Gaping Holes in the 9/11 Narrative

Five years out from the attacks, why do we still know so little about what really happened that day?



What we still dont know about 9/11 could kill us. By “we I mean the public that has been kept in the dark for five years by a president who may know the truth but has chosen to ignore it. Instead of grappling with the thorny origins of that disaster, George Bush willfully turned the nation’s attention and resources to a totally unrelated and disastrous imperial adventure in Iraq.
 
Just how unrelated was definitively established last Friday with the belated release of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s second report, which concluded that there not only was zero connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, but that Iraq was the one country in the region where Osama bin Laden could not operate.

The story was much different in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, the two countries that had recognized and otherwise supported the Taliban government that hosted bin Laden during the run-up to 9/11. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and yet there has been no serious investigation of the extended royal familys role in the recruitment of bin Laden’s soldiers” and the ease with which they secured legal visas to enter the United States.

While funds for Al Qaeda emanated from the Saudi kingdom, the essential logistical support for Al Qaeda came from Pakistan. Now, five years later, bin Laden and the remnants of his organization are assumed by the United States to have found refuge in Pakistans unruly tribal region, where the Pakistan government recently has reduced its forces, conceding that it could not defeat local tribesmen sympathetic to the Taliban.

Nor has there been any credible accounting of the role of Pakistan’s intelligence community, then and now, in support of Islamic terrorists on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghan border. Or in the passage of Pakistans nuclear secrets to what Bush refers to as “rogue nations.”

Recall that the predominant excuse for invading Iraq was the claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and would be willing to pass them on to rogue regimes and terrorists. Not only were such weapons not found, but the evidence from the accounts of former administration insiders and the Senate Intelligence Committee makes clear that the administration was consciously cherry-picking the evidence to shore up its fraudulent case.

There were weapons of mass destruction being shipped to “rogue nations, but they were coming from Pakistan in an extensive program headed by Abdul Qadeer (A.Q.) Khan, the father of the “Islamic bomb.” The Pakistan government has admitted that Khan passed on to North Korea, Libya and Iran technical know-how and vital materials for the creation of nuclear weapons.  But Khan was pardoned of any crimes by Pakistan’s dictator general, President Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Khan is restricted only by a loose form of house arrest and has never been made available to U.S. investigators. Yet the Bush administration dropped the sanctions originally imposed on Pakistan in reprisal for its development of nuclear weapons in return for Pakistans support in the “war on terror.”

As for Afghanistan, the Taliban is on the rise. NATO commanders last week urgently requested more troops, and the country is now torn by the anarchy of a narco-state that is supplying 92% of the world’s heroin market and generating massive profits for gangsters and terrorists alike.  The country is now as dangerous for American soldiers as is Iraq.

Despite this sorry record of neglect in Southwest Asia and the creation of a quagmire and recruiting poster for terrorism in Iraq, Bush once again arrogantly asserts that his policies have made us safer, even as he has undermined our domestic freedoms and mocked the U.S. commitment to international law, particularly concerning the treatment of prisoners.

Last week, Bush conceded that there were indeed secret CIA prisons, when finally announcing that the group of “key witnesses” to the 9/11 disaster would be moved to Guantanamo and for once afforded visits from the Red Cross and minimal legal representation. Some of them have been interrogated in secret for up to five years, with the Bush administration left as the sole interpreter of what they revealed.

After five years of official deceit, it is not too difficult to believe that the isolation of those prisoners was done less for reasons of learning the truth about 9/11 and more in an effort to politically manage the narrative released to the public.

There is glaring evidence that the latter was the case.  The 9/11 Commission report contains a disclaimer box on page 146, in which it is stated that the report’s account of what happened on 9/11 was in considerable measure based on what those key witnesses allegedly told interrogators, and that the commissioners were not allowed to meet the witnesses or their interrogators.

We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting.”

In short, the most cited source that we have on what happened on 9/11, the much celebrated 9/11 Commission Report, was stage-managed by the Bush administration, just as it has controlled and distorted so much other information.

In light of that sorry record of the propagandistic exploitation of the 9/11 tragedy for partisan political purpose, is it any wonder that large numbers of Americans have doubts about all of it and that a considerable industry of documentaries and investigative reports has sprung up with alternative theories ranging from the plausible to the absurd? 

In the sidebar to the left, we offer some examples of the better of those efforts, not by way of endorsing them but rather because there is so much reason to doubt the “truth” as the Bush administration has packaged it.

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By sam brown, October 15, 2010 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

http://www.911thology.com/home.html

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``Most probably you found this web site because of a video presentation by Dimitri Khalezov regarding the WTC nuclear demolition.

``If you liked the presentation and found information disclosed in it useful, please, consider donating. Funds are badly needed to to keep things moving. Our PayPal account was recently blocked apparently because PayPal stuff was instructed to do so to prevent us from receiving any funds. If you wish to donate, please, contact us directly. You will be provided with the bank account details.

``Your help will be highly appreciated.”

Any comments ladies & gents ? 911 mythology ?

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By sam brown, October 14, 2010 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

Dimitri A. Khalezov ?

WTC nuclear demolition theory ?

www dot 911thology dot com ?

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By John Hanks, July 6, 2010 at 11:41 am Link to this comment
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911 demonstrates that man is not a moral actor, unless the racket media writes the script

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By Maani, May 25, 2010 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

USSA NWO:

I absolutely hear your frustration, anger, sadness and (sadly) despair.  And your assessment of humankind is, overall, probably correct, if a tad harsh.

But there are plenty of good people in the world, even some with “power and authority” to make a difference.  Indeed, think of how much WORSE it would be WITHOUT those people!!

I believe there is always room for hope.  Gandhi pointed out that “good” ultimately does triumph, even if it takes more time than we’d like, and enormous evil is done in the process.  (After all, as he pointed out, we are not all speaking German, are we?)

Don’t lose hope.  Rather, keep doing whatever little YOU can do to make the world a better place, and help and encourage others to do the same.

(BTW, hemlock tastes horrible…LOL)

Peace.

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By John Hanks, May 25, 2010 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment
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Newt Gingrich arranged for Murdock’s citizenship.  Sedition and treason are sedition and treason.

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By Maani, May 19, 2010 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

AK;

First, forgive me if something I said came across as impatient.  Au contraire!  Nothing was meant that way.  It may just be the “coldness” of cyberspace that makes things seem that way sometimes.

Also, I’m not sure what I said or posted that would make you think I disagree that “relationship between government leaders and mainstream media has profound significance.”  Au contraire again!  I very much agree with that statement.

My post was Naomi Wolf’s “10 Steps to Fascism” (an absolute must-read for anyone who thinks we are not on the road to totalitarianism), in which Step #8 is government control of the media.  And since corporate America controls the government, and corporate America controls the media, then, ipso facto, the government controls the media.

Peace.

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By Maani, May 19, 2010 at 6:30 am Link to this comment

AK:

“And is this all made possible by their relationship with the Mainstream Media?”

See Step 8 on the link below.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

Peace.

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By Maani, May 18, 2010 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

AK:

“Help me understand why so many people can successfully keep the lid on so much crap? Even with all the help from the lords of tv broadcasting (the dumbed down working class never read and completely rely on tv), how can they prevent another deepthroat from bring down this house of cards. Have they mastered the art that the nixon administration could not grasp. It just seems impossible.”

The question I am hearing is an old one: Why do conspiracies “work?”  Why is it so difficult to find “deep throats” who can truly bring the truth to light?  Why are so many conspiracies “successful” in so far as no “smoking guns” are ever found?

The answer is trifold.

First, of course, there is the fact that the media (particularly - but not solely - MSM) are owned and controlled by the very people who are often involved with the conspiracies.  In Germany, Hitler’s pals owned all the major media, so the reporting on the Reichstag fire was entirely one-sided, supporting Hitler’s contention that the communists set it.  In the U.S., JFK’s assassination was covered by a media that was owned by corporations and people who had a vested interest in the war.  And if I have to explain corporate media ownership vis-a-vis 9/11, George Bush et al, I will be sorely disappointed in you!  LOL.

Second, conspiracies work in a pyramidal fashion; i.e., those at the top know all the details, and as you get closer to the bottom, some people may not even know they are part of a conspiracy at all!  They may have a small function to perform that helps the conspiracy along, but seems perfectly normal to them (particularly if they are told to do it by their boss, etc.).  Thus, it is not until you get to the middle of the pyramid that anyone is likely to know enough to make any difference - and even then it is probably not enough to have a significant impact on the conspiracy.

Third, there are “controls” over anyone who might get the idea of whisle-blowing.  First, there may be (and almost certainly are) threats made: open your mouth, and your wife and kids are dead.  Don’t laugh.  This type of “mob”-style threat is more common than you may think.  And it is quite effective, particularly when coming from people with real power.  Second, sometimes those threats are unnecessary, since the corporate media (controlled by many of those involved in the conspiracies) has become quite adept at making any whistle-blower (particularly those talking about “conspiracy theories”) into “kooks” and “conspiracy nuts.”  In other words, any damage they may do to containing the conspiracy is basically nullified by the media.

That’s the simplistic version of why conspiracies as huge - and, to some, obvious - as 9/11 “work”: because the pyramidal structure, supported by threats and/or media nullification, has proven nearly perfectly effective.

Peace.

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By Maani, May 17, 2010 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

The “official story” of the Times Square “bomber” takes shape:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/nyregion/16suspect.html?pagewanted=print

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/nyregion/05bomb.html?sq=shahzad email&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=print

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/17/times.square.suspect.emails/index.html?hpt=T2

And from yours truly, a piece of circumstantial evidence.

In NYC,the Weather Channel used to be on Channel 72 on Time-Warner.  It was switched to Channel 93, and Channel 72 became something called “City Line Drive” (or City Drive Live, or something like that).  It was basically a static (i.e., non-moving) real-time closed circuit camera showing a wide view of Times Square, facing north from about 43rd or 44th street.  In other words, it had a perfect shot of the very corner of 45th Street on which the SUV was parked.  Yet just days prior to the Times Square “event,” the camera on Times Square was gone, replaced by a shot of some portion of some highway in the NYC area.

Coincidence?  Possibly.  But given how many “coincidences” there were re 9/11, one can only wonder…

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By John Hanks, May 17, 2010 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment
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Media conceals.  It has a stake in Israel and monopoly in general.  5 Mossad agents were picked up at the scene.

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By John Hanks, May 17, 2010 at 10:30 am Link to this comment
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The first question to ask is,  Who benefited?  Neocons, Israel, and Republicans benefited from the 911 stunt.  Circumstantial and physical evidence is abundant.

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By Maani, May 16, 2010 at 10:20 pm Link to this comment

Speculator:

Your question is a good one, but it would actually not be necessary to do it years in advance.

Nanothermite can be mixed with paint, and simply painted on the existing structural steel.  This has been shown in videos.

Since we know there was a great deal of “construction work” going on in the towers in the weeks and months prior to 9/11, it is entirely possible that this was when the “painting” of the steel occurred.  After all, how many people in an office building pay any attention whatsoever to ongoing construction work?  Heck, not even the security desk does, as long as someone produces a “work order” (whether legitimate or otherwise).

And then there were the two “power-downs” of the towers in the month prior to the attacks - a time during which any “remaining” work (i.e., “dirty work”) could be done in almost complete secrecy.

Finally, as you imply, the plane impacts and ensuing fires were meant only to give a pretext and “rationale” for the collapse of the buildings; we know beyond any question or argument now that the buildings could not have collapsed - particularly as they did (at near free-fall speed, almost into their own footprints) - solely as the result of the impacts and fires. 

Peace.

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By Speculator, May 15, 2010 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment
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A hypothesis:

Assuming that the fall of the World Trade Center Towers and builidng seven were somewhat unusual, and the the eyewitness accounts, I put forth the following question:

When planes did hit the towers, is is possible that months or evewn years earlier the entire World Trade Center complex was wired for a controlled demolition IN THE EVENT OF such a terrorist attack given that the 1993 plan was not to destroy the buildings wholesale, but to force one of them to topple into another, and then cause more damage and death?


What if, once the planes hit, in order to prevent the buildings, including number 7, from failing horizantally, they had been pre-rigged to drop into thier own footprints to limit the amount of casualties?

This does not mean there was not an attack, only speculation that either the the City of New York, or the Federal Government, knowing these were potential targets, had pre-riggedc them for a controlled drop if it looked like the buildings and occupants could not be saved. It explains the efficiency and quickness of the buildings’ collapse.

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By Conservative Yankee, May 15, 2010 at 7:51 am Link to this comment
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Reichstag fire.

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By John Hanks, May 14, 2010 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment
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The Broadway attack does look like a blowback for our incredibly stupid drone attack. 911 was masked by a feeble blowback line, when it was truly an inside job by Neocons, Israelis, and Republican traitors.
They can use any pretext for martial law.

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By Maani, May 14, 2010 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Am I the only one who notices the parallels between how 9/11 was “used” (cynically) and how the Times Square incident is being “used” (cynically)?

Even if 9/11 had not been an inside job, and was simply the result of incompetence and malfeasance, it was “used” by the Bush Administration to ram through a neocon agenda that included legislation that had significant adverse effects on civil liberties, freedom and privacy.  The Patriot Acts, the Military Commissions Act, etc.; the evisceration of habeas corpus and posse comitatus (among others); giving the president unilateral power to declare someone an “enemy combatant” and to declare martial law, etc., etc.

Yet even though the Times Square incident was a pitiful failed (false flag?) attempt, it is being “used” the same way.

First, within 48 hours, Joe Lieberman and Scott Brown came up with the Terrorist Expatriation Act, which would rescind American citizenship under certain circumstances - with murky language that could have serious civil liberties consequences.  A couple of days later, Dianne Feinstein et al call for tighter no-fly rules and adding the Pakistani Taliban to the terrorist list.

And, of course, there is the entire situation with respect to this Pakistani Taliban, and whether Shahzad actually had any ties to them.  First, the FBI and NYPD say he was a “lone wolf.”  Then the administration says “possible ties to Pakistani Taliban.”  Then Petraeus says, “B.S. to that; he was a lone wolf.”  Then Holder says, “definite ties with Pakistani Taliban.”  Now, there are arrests being made in both the U.S. and Pakistan of people who “may have” assisted Shahzad with money or materiel.  Yet NONE of these people have been charged with any crime, and there is no solid evidence that anything they did or may have done for Shahzad had any “conscious” connection to the Times Square incident.

Sound familiar?  And is it coincidence that the U.S. had been looking for ways to pressure the Pakistani government - and now they JUST HAPPEN to have one?

I will make a prediction.  Within a few days, we will begin to hear about the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act (VRHTA).  This insidious legislation was passed overwhelmingly by the House in 2007.  However, the Senate tabled it when the economic crisis hit.  I predict it will be trotted out very soon for passage by the Senate (under nearly identical circumstances surrounding the passage of the Patriot Act: pressure based on the TS incident, too few copies to go around, too little time to read the copies that do exist, etc.), and then signed by Obama.

In case you are unaware, the VRHTA is written in such a way that it could be interpreted to make dissent “treason.”  In fact, in a case of truly scary irony, it could make a public reading of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence (the one about altering or abolishing government) a treasonous offense.

Re my prediction, you heard it hear first!

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By Conservative Yankee, May 14, 2010 at 7:57 am Link to this comment
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Toot_toot wrote:
“They don’t want to know what they already know.”

They know… Just like EVERYONE KNEW on November 23, 1963.

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By Grant, April 9, 2010 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment
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The failure
to satisfy the public cry
for full disclosure and a deep
investigation of 911 certainly
answers one crucial question.

Think about it, the government
has absolute power and we have
damned near none. They empty the
treasury and run up trillions in debt
without hesitation. They do so many other
things that should make it clear that we
now have arrogant government tyranny which
is grinding forward to exceed Stalinist
USSR or ancient Rome, where a small aristocracy
rule in splendor with about 75% serving them
in one form or another, from soldiers to slaves.

Get real, just never listen to Mainstream Media.
You are probably feeling it already unless you are a higher ranking lacky in this growing Matrix of Control and Power. Learn the rules, obey the rules, or else! They have your number and they know where you live.

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By John Hanks, January 2, 2010 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment
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The murder weapon and the killers can keep us busy forever.  The whole thing can be summed up in “who benefited”.  That was the Neocons.  They plotted 911 largely to serve Israel and Right-Wing (Nazi) Republicans.

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By myloUSMC, January 2, 2010 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

READ   about the EMPIRE STATE Building crash of 1946 and understand that the two Towers were not only build differently but the force and amount of fuel in the planes were extreme…... also remmeber the Pentagon was built more like The EmpireState building with 10 to 15 inches of concrete protectint theSteel from heat and that the towers were very open in areas wit nothing but 1/2 inch of insullation (sprayed on on any of the Steel)
......GEE maybe the consipirecy started in 1975 we started building buildings that could not take the"HEAT”
AMERICA beware the Contractore is BAd!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME A break if you idoits knew anything orhad a construction background or military background you would know   enough explosive material in a plane and poor construction equal disaster
what poor excuses for American education   we have .
If you have problesm with the above rmember we made some43 movies on how to ruin america with bombs , explosions, Air Craft hi jackings .. the only thing we did not give the Hijackers was the money to pay for the flights ....We infact did TRAIN THEM to FLY our Crafts!!!!!!!!!
what idoits We should be thankful there are intelligent people here .....donot blame anyone but WE the PEOPLE for being so open and acceptable to letting our country be ruined…..
Nexxt thing you know we will be whinning because we have to speak Mandrin Chineese instead of simple Chinesee..

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By John Hanks, December 21, 2009 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment
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Obama is a sequel to Bush.  He probably knows everything.  He was a hand picked candidate.  He is defending the empire.

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By sheikhmo, December 21, 2009 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

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By SteveL, September 4, 2009 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

“I guess it was a seagull.”  good guess!

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By John Hanks, September 4, 2009 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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I guess it was a seagull.

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By SteveL, August 22, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

So why still no investigation.? Well let’s see if the investigation goes bad for the government it blows the hell out of a reason for the Patriot act, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, and would you ever believe the government or the mainstream media again? This why the whole subject remains radio-active.  Airplane going through the corner of a building?  If it was the same crap I saw, it was footage of what they told you was an airplane.  I have seen this in frame by frame slow motion and still cannot make out an airplane.

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By John Hanks, August 22, 2009 at 8:01 am Link to this comment
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SteveL So why still no investigation.?  I saw foorage of an airplane going through the corner of a building.

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By SteveL, August 21, 2009 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

Aluminum bodied airplanes are not likely to go through three steel-re-enforced
walls at the Pentagon and several steel support columns between the first and
second wall.  We are not allowed to see anything from the cameras in and around
the Pentagon nor are we allowed to hear what is on the black boxes.  Move along
folks nothing to see here, sure!

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By john hanks, July 15, 2009 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment
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The protection racket with Katrina was in building substandard levees as if they were adequate.  The payoff will come when rich Republicans take over the property at a song.  Republicans have been organized crime since 1860.

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By david, July 14, 2009 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment
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Hurricane Katrina was a hoax orchestrated by the Bush Administration to draw attention away from the unpopular war. When people failed to evacuate as planned, fighter jets bombed the levees. Nothing big like Hurrican Katrina goes on without the President’s knowledge and approval.

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By John Hanks, July 12, 2009 at 7:48 am Link to this comment
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The protection racket is a classic form of rich crime.  It took a lot of audacity to do a 911 (plus the wars).  The timing and preparation tells the story about the battleship Maine.  Vietnam was a protection racket.  All you have to do is manipulate a bogus attack on your own.  If we weren’t such compliant lazy cowards, we would suspect these things right away.

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By george747, July 12, 2009 at 4:26 am Link to this comment
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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0907/S00124.htm

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By LTJ, July 11, 2009 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

The unsupported statement by “youraveragejoe” is mere fluff.  Like most people who offer only a knee-jerk dismissal of anything that questions the political establishment, avg_joe tries to dismiss all 9/11 evidence without even bothering to explain why - as if it should be evident that he’s an expert in such matters?  There are plenty of highly experienced and qualified people in technical disciplines all around the world who strongly challenge the official story of 9/11.  And many of these challengers happen to be from Intelligence agency backgrounds in mature European nations with active programs.  It’s known…

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By LTJX, July 11, 2009 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment
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The unsupported statement by “youraveragejoe” is itself “claptrap”.  Like most people who offer only a knee-jerk dismissal of anything that questions the political establishment, “avg_joe” tries to dismiss all 9/11 evidence, without even bothering to explain why - as if he’s a self-appointed expert in such matters?  There are plenty of highly experienced and qualified people in many technical disciplines all around the world who strongly challenge the official story of 9/11.  And many of these challengers happen to be from intelligence agency backgrounds in multiple nations.

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By John Hanks, July 10, 2009 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
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Why does anyone listen to Republicans any more.  They just make up malicious lies out of thin air.

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By Maani, July 10, 2009 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

Sylvia et al:

NYCCAN - an organization comprised of 9/11 family members, first responders and others most directly affected by the events of 9/11 - have submitted a petition to the New York City Council for a ballot intiative for this Fall.  If put on the ballot and voted in (i.e., passed by NY-ers), this initiative would create a new, non-political, non-partisan 9/11 “commission” comprised of a family members, first responders, and a wide variety of interested but non-conflicted panelists.

This new commission would have subpoena powers, and would have a mandate to follow ALL lines of inquiry no matter WHERE they might lead.  It would be what we hoped the 9/11 Commission might have been, but definitely was not.

The petition has enough signatures to be put on the ballot.  However, even if it is challenged (which the Council can do under certain circumstances), there are enough “reserve” signatures to assure that the initiative will be on the ballot this Fall.

A Zogby poll a few years ago showed that more than half of all New Yorkers believe that the truth of the 9/11 attacks has not come out, and would support a new investigation.  This number has only grown since then, so passage of the initiative by New Yorkers is virtually assured.

This is the first chance that we will have to TRULY investigate the events of 9/11, without political and personal conflicts of interest, and with a mandate to get to the TRUTH - no matter how painful or politically unsavory that truth may be.

For those who live in NYC, look for the initiative this Fall - and vote YES!

Peace.

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By Sylvia Barksdale, July 10, 2009 at 10:56 am Link to this comment
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Robert Sheer once again is on the money!

George Bush is the prime suspect in my circle.  Why did he sit composed and collected in the classroom when being told of the tragedy?  Why has he denied the Saudi Arabia connection?  Why did he tell Americans fantastic lies about Saddam Hussein’s arsenol of WMD?  And, why did he plunge us into a war with no groundings in truth?  If he had sought an iota of respect, he would have had WMD buried so that the army could find them and render him some validity.

On my drive to work on 9/11, the radio announcer exclaimed that a plane had hit the WTC.  “Goddamn”, I said to my passenger, “what a horrible accident!”  She agreed.  The ride went on, somberly.  Pulling into our place of employment, the announcer screamed that a second plane had slammed into the building.  Stunned, we said in unism, “This is no accident!”

Until 9/11 I had considered conspiracy theories to be highly interesting and entertaining tales.  I am not so sure of this anymore.  After all, the FBI was informed that there were Arabs at a flight school in Florida who were interested in learning to fly a plane but had no interest in landing one.  Red flags should have sprung up and these guys taken into custody-, then and there.  Were Arabs not arrested in NYC, taking photographs of the WTC and subsequently released?

As Mr. Sheer pointed out, all the important questions concerning 9/11 remain unanswered.  I wager that we’ll never get the truth from Bush or Cheney or any of their underdogs!

A friend of mine who worked on the 44th. floor of building # 1 was out on maternity leave and another, a stewardess, had gone to Logan and was told she wasn’t needed that day, 9/11.

There are sometimes small “miracles” in the most henious acts of man.

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By youraveragejoe, May 3, 2009 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

This is pseudo-intellectual claptrap, folks.  Making a career about 9/11, Bush hating, and pretending to be an economist.

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By mike turner, April 16, 2009 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

When do we learn how many CIA( & false front companies) and assorted intell officers were killed 9/11 in the towers?

In the Army…..incompetant officers were(are) often fragged….but at CIA after 9/11 many who ignored spot on intell were promoted & awarded with fat budget increases.

yeah…it still stinks to the heavens…what did Bush/Rove/Cheney say: “You’re either with us or against us.”
how simple…how psychologically suspicious…its called a tell in poker.

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By John Hanks, March 26, 2009 at 8:28 am Link to this comment
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We know that 911 was murder to set up a protection racket and a coup.  We may never know all the details about the murder weapons, though building 7 is a smoking gun.  It is the motive and opportunity and criminal record that tells the tail.  Leo Straus and the Neocons, PNAC, 911, Anthrax, and the murder of the Wellstone family, plus the lies that brought us into Iraq.  There should be no doubt that these people are organized crime.

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By Maani, March 26, 2009 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

All:

For those who are interested, NY911Truth founder Les Jamieson has a fabulous new weekly Internet radio program called “9/11 - Truth or Consequences.”  It is at http://www.therealpublicradio.net, and can be heard on Tuesday evenings at 7pm New York time.

As you may know, NY911Truth (of which I have been a member for about five years) has a ballot initiative out that would create a new, non-political, non-partisan investigation into the events of 9/11, since we all know the 9/11 Commission Report was a whitewash, and that hundreds of questions have not been answered.  Information on the ballot initiative can be found at http://www.nyc911initiative.org.  We already have 30,000 signatures, and we need another 15,000 by September in order to make the initiative “veto-proof.”

Les’ radio show is mostly geared toward asking the hard questions and making the case for a new investigation.

Hope you will listen to the show.

Peace.

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By David, March 26, 2009 at 3:56 am Link to this comment
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Some conspiracy theorists say America was never able to land a men on the Moon. Others say the US military studies advanced alien technology at Area 51. I just want to know for sure if the Blitz was a historical fact, or if the British faked it to draw us into a war with Germany for reasons unknown. Can any of you armchair theorists convince me it really happened? I think it was faked by the Royal Air Force.

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By Maani, February 8, 2009 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

George/Dave:

Although there are theories re the use of a nuclear device at the WTC, there is simply no hard, clear evidence that such was the case.  Despite the claims of some of the more “radical” 9/11 sites, there is simply no evidence that radioactivity existed at the site - and certainly no APPRECIABLE radioactivity.

Even within a “conspiracy theory,” Occam’s Razor still holds.  In this case, ALL the various aspects of the collapses of WTC 1, 2 and 7 can be explained thoroughly WITHOUT the inclusion of nuclear devices.

The use of thermite would account for every single aspect of the collapses, including (i) exploding outward and upward, (ii) the intense heat (and molten metal) below the surface for days, and (iii) the degree of pyroclastic flow from the collapses.  Indeed, one fact belies the claim of nuclear devices: WTC 7 collapsed perfectly into its own footprint, and even the twin towers collapsed very closely within their footprints.  Any “excessive” outward explosion (which would have occurred with nuclear devices) would have sent debris in a much larger arc, over a greater area.

Also, Willie Rodriguez and others who were in the basement when the “foundation-breaking” bomb went off just before the first plane hit did not exhibit ANY signs of radioactivity on them.  And since they were closer to that bomb than anyone else, they, of all people, would have shown EXTREME signs of radioactivity if a nuclear device had been used: indeed, Willie would be dying (or dead) of radiation poisoning by now.

When one investigates, discusses and debates the various aspects of 9/11, it is important that one not simply accept the word of one or two or even three sources.  One must read dozens of sources, “read between the lines,” and use both logic and common sense to determine what the most likely scenario is.

In this case, as “cool” and “subversive” as it might be to think that nuclear devices were used at the WTC, neither the evidence, logic nor common sense support it.

Peace.

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By TampaDave, February 8, 2009 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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Radioactivity was present, yes.  This has led to an interesting line of speculation.  Information recently became public (somewhat) that the new thing in H-bombs is a discovery of how to focus the effects of the blast within a small angle, as low as 15 degrees.  This is how the new “bunker buster” bombs work: they bury themselves in the ground, then explode with all the force pushing forward, completely crushing any “voids” even deep underground.  When one stops to consider the sheer number of devices that would have had to be planted to completely pulverize the twin towers, it begins to seem that such a device, planted near the bottom of the tower, with the force all going upward and spreading at only a 15 degree angle, would have been the perfect solution.  From all the squibs one can observe during the demolition, there were obviously charges on many floors, but the radioactivity is still an anomaly unless you accept that nuclear devices may have been incorporated.

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By George in Toronto, February 8, 2009 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
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To Maani—I read somewhere last year of Concrete bunker busting being low level radiation bombs.Israel received 1000. http://science.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=bunker-buster.htm&url=http://www.fas.org/faspir/2001/v54n1/weapons.htm
Check this
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2009/01/marxist-med-sez-israel-uses-cancer-bomb.html
There was a bomb blast in gaza,that left a huge massive clean crator abour 10-15 meters deep.Odd thing about the sorrounding parimeter row of buildings—only the windows were blown out. Sorry couldn’t locate the picture—got to run :^)

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By Maani, February 7, 2009 at 11:28 pm Link to this comment

George:

Radioactive?  Hmmm…  Even if WTC 1, 2 and 7 were brought down by controlled demolition, that would not leave them radioactive: thermite is not a radioactive substance.  Not sure why there should be any radioactivity present in the steel…

Peace.

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By george in toronto, February 7, 2009 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment
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I came across a very wealthy India man on business in Toronto. He told me that the WTC steel was deverted from China smelters because it was radio active.  His brother works for te indian government. Everything fits into place why India has been getting high tech USA nuke missile systems and alot of american once jobs and F18s. What makes America so evil :^(

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By Maani, February 7, 2009 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

Da Bronx:

“Actually, that’s false. The Maine’s hull was blown OUT not in.”

Sorry, buddy, but THAT is inconclusive.  The following is from the U.S. Navy’s official site:

“The U.S. Navy Department immediately formed a board of inquiry [1898] to determine the reason for Maine’s destruction.  The inquiry, conducted in Havana, lasted four weeks.  The condition of the submerged wreck and the lack of technical expertise prevented the board from being as thorough as later investigations.  In the end, they concluded that a mine had detonated under the ship.  The board did not attempt to fix blame for the placement of the device…In 1911 the Navy Department ordered a second board of inquiry after Congress voted funds for the removal of the wreck of Maine from Havana Harbor.  U.S. Army engineers built a cofferdam around the sunken battleship, thus exposing it, and giving naval investigators an opportunity to examine and photograph the wreckage in detail.  FINDING THE BOTTOM HULL PLATES IN THE AREA OF THE RESERVE SIX-INCH MAGAZINE BENT INWARD AND BACK, the 1911 board concluded that a mine had detonated under the magazine, causing the explosion that destroyed the ship.”  (Emphasis mine.)

Thus, while it is true that Rickover’s book claims that spontaneous combustion in the coal bunker caused the explosion, that claim remains, as noted, inconclusive.

Peace.

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By John Hanks, February 7, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment
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I have no hesitation about blaming the Republicans for everything from crappy shoes for union soldiers to sabotaged peace talks, etc.  They are habitual criminals and deadbeats who have taken many lives.  The only question is who were their accomplices this time. A so-called ordinary American is free to exercise his common sense.  No one would have much trouble believing that the Mafia caused 911 for insurance money.

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By Da Bronx, February 7, 2009 at 8:01 am Link to this comment
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“Actually, that is only one of two theories, neither of which have been conclusively proven.”

Actually, that’s false. The Maine’s hull was blown OUT not in.

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By blogdog, February 6, 2009 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

the whole epic is laid out in this 45-min. choreodrama - not a polemic - an “Iliad” for our time - as much for scholars a millennia from now

http://amazing-visions.com/Pf_TF_files/TheFall-wDancers.mov

notes here http://www.thefall01.info/

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By John Hanks, February 6, 2009 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment
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I’m sure some Democrats were involved.  The problem with spreading the blame in the two party system is that nobody can focus on anything.  I basically blame the Republicans, the Mossad, and the Saudis.  I’m also sure that Pakistan intelligence and the Air Force were involved.  If we could get the Repuiblicans, maybe the rest could be shaken out of the trees.

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By Maani, February 6, 2009 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

John Hanks:

While it is true that the document presaging 9/11 (“Rebuilding America’s Defenses”) was created by the neocon think tank PNAC, it is, sadly, incorrect to blame only Republicans for 9/11.  Yes, it was most likely the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/et al squad that was most complicit.  But there were many Democrats who were complicit either directly or by their silence.  And, of course, members of BOTH parties are complicit by their CONTINUED silence.

The 9/11 Commission had both Republicans and Democrats - ALL of whom had serious conflicts of interest vis-a-vis the investigation.  So the 9/11 Commission whitewash can be blamed on both parties equally.

Thus, the entire 9/11 fiasco, while perhaps originally planned by neocon elements, was ultimately carried out and then covered up by BOTH parties.

Peace.

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By John Hanks, February 6, 2009 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment
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I never really thought about the Maine “coincidence” until I learned that Rove particularly liked the McKinley administration.

On 911, there weren’t many Americans who had a clue about how evil sociopaths are.  Now it should be a commonplace for anyone who has watched the Republicans in action.  Why are they so attracted to liars and bullies?  Because…

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By Maani, February 6, 2009 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment

Da Bronx:

“The USS MAINE sunk as a result of a coal bunker fire adjacent to one of its ammunition magazines. Pure accident, nothing else.”

Actually, that is only one of two theories, neither of which have been conclusively proven.  The other is that the explosion of a mine in the harbor caused the ammunition magazines to explode: this theory is supported by many who claim to have heard TWO explosions, not just one.  The mine explosion theory then lends itself to a number of possible interpretations, including that the mine was deliberately set, either by the Cubans/Spanish or (for conspiracy theorists) by the U.S. itself as a “false flag” operation that it then blamed on the Cubans/Spanish.

Peace.

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By John Hanks, February 6, 2009 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment
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I know about the coal bunker theory.  But, when you take into account the timing, the Hersh buildup, etc.  even clear physical evidence is not decisive.  (Is it that clear?)

The Republican party has committed treason numerous times with impunity, including the 1933 coup attempt, the Hitler payoff, and the sabotage of the 1968 Peace Talks.  They are basically habitual criminals.

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By blogdog, February 6, 2009 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

RE: The USS MAINE sunk as a result of a coal bunker fire adjacent to one of its ammunition magazines, pure accident, nothing else

Too bad Hurst didn’t report it like that, might have avoided the gruesome tragedy that followed. Not every hegemonic regime is lucky enough to have handed it a Maine - why this one needed a New Pearl Harbor…or perhaps better characterized as a New Gulf of Tonkin.

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By John Hanks, February 6 at 9:35 am #

Republicans are the abusers.  Democrats are the enablers.  911 and the Battleship Maine are the same.


The USS MAINE sunk as a result of a coal bunker fire adjacent to one of its ammunition magazines,

pure accident, nothing else

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By John Hanks, February 6, 2009 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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Republicans are the abusers.  Democrats are the enablers.  911 and the Battleship Maine are the same.

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By Maani, February 6, 2009 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

All”

Some 911 Truth-related news.

First, former president Jimmy Carter has become the most recent major public figure to support a new investigation into the events of 9/11.  He joins such notables as Gen. Wesley Clark, Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Michael Moore, Martin Sheen, Willie Nelson, Lou Dobbs, Peter Jennings, Naomi Wolf, Ralph Nader, and hundreds of senior military, intelligence, law enforcement and goverment officials, as well as engineers, architects, pilots, aviation professionals, media professionals, academicians, artists, entertainers, and many 9/11 survivors and family members. (See http://www.patriotsquestion911.com).

Second, actor Daniel Sunjata (a full-throated 9/11 Truth movement member) has convinced the producers of the FX TV series “Rescue Me” to do an episode that suggests that 9/11 was an inside job.  For those who may not know, 9/11 was not only the impetus for the series, but has been discussed or mentioned numerous times.  This will be the first time - and the first time ever on a major TV series - that the idea that 9/11 was an inside job will be seriously considered.  The episode will be aired sometime after April 2009.  Bravo to Daniel!

Finally, there is an excellent new radio program called “9/11 Truth or Consequences,” hosted by the founder of NY911Truth (of which I am a member).  It can be heard on Internet radio on Tuesday evenings from ~7pm to 8pm EST (Internet radio times vary by a few minutes, so it may not start right on time).  Go to http://www.therealpublicradio.net and click on “Click to Listen.”

The truth will out!

Peace.

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By Maani, February 6, 2009 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

John:

“What’s not to know about 9/11? What gaps exist? 19 Muslim terrorists hijacked 4 jumbo jets and killed about 3,000 people in NYC, DC, Pennsylvania.”

Are you listening to yourself?  Is that what you call “Occam’s Razor?”  Well, sorry buddy, but Occam’s Razor is sometimes as dull as the edge of a dime.

If what you say is true, I have just a few small queries:

-“19 Muslim terrorists…”  First, the only “proof” we have that they were “Muslim” was a single alleged phone call from Barbara Olson to her husband Ted Olson (who was at the time a member of the Bush administration, and a personal friend of Bush) from Flight 77 in which she told him that the “hijackers” were “Middle Eastern” (NOT “Muslim”).  It was also in this alleged phone call that she told him they were carrying “plastic knives and boxcutters.”  The only problem is: this call never happened.  And this was confirmed by the FBI itself, who checked the cellphone records and found that while there was an attempted call from her cellphone to his, it did not connect.  They also found that the airphones on that plane were not working.  So the only “proof” that (i) there were hijackers, (ii) they were Middle Eastern, and (iii) they were carrying “knives and boxcutters” never happened.  And then there is the question as to why, if there were “19 Muslim terrorists,” AT LEAST five of them showed up very much alive only months later.

-”...hijacked 4 jumbo jets…”  If so, why were their names not on the passenger manifests?  This was confirmed by both the FAA and the FBI.  As well, there is still serious question as to what actually hit the Pentagon, as well as the field in Shanksville.

Two other small facts are worth noting.  First, the FBI “Most Wanted” poster of OBL does NOT include the 9/11 attacks because, according to an FBI spokesperson, “there is no hard evidence linking bin Laden to those attacked.  Second, the two co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton) admit in their book that they (i) did not get all the evidence they asked for or needed, and (ii) the Report was thus “incomplete” since the Bush administration stonewalled them continuously.

So there is PLENTY to “know about 9/11” because ENORMOUS “gaps exist.”  Not least is the Physics 101 of the collapse of the WTC towers (and WTC 7), the “official story” of which simply cannot withstand scrutiny.

Peace.

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By blogdog, February 6, 2009 at 1:25 am Link to this comment

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You conspiracy jerks can come back to reality now that Obama’s been elected…

Sorry, John, Obama is just the current shill in a long line of shills - he shills the 9/11 myth right along with the rest of them. Take that under consideration when contemplating your reality.

Bottom line is this: The 9/11 coup d’état is an open secret in corridors of power the world over, but the MSM psy-op/cover-up is complete. As to how this works, we needn’t even speculate. We have it from the source, in two concise lines:

1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

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By John, February 5, 2009 at 11:34 am Link to this comment
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You conspiracy jerks can come back to reality now that Obama’s been elected…What’s not to know about 9/11? What gaps exist? 19 Muslim terrorists hijacked 4 jumbo jets and killed about 3,000 people in NYC,DC, Pennsylvania…
  Bush may have been mis-lead into Iraq by foreign agents and willing Americans, but it was the plan on the table for years and the plan seems to be starting to show results…So what about those that died in the Iraqi civil strife, not my problem…Should 5,000 Americans be dead 30,000 mamed…no, they need to work on their tactics and get rid of the plastic Hummers…

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By oujiQualm34, November 30, 2008 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

How can we hope to understand this without understanding the permanent nature of the miliatary and intel. buraucrcies.  James W. Douglass does this as never before in the ecellent new book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and WHy It Matters.

Among the rave reviews, Daniel Ellsbergs states that it basically convinced him that there was in fact a conspiracy.  Also endoresed by Marcus Raskin and Richard Falk.  As much about Cold War History as abou the conspiracy.

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By hetzer, September 20, 2008 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

Wars are usually started out of cowardice and fear.  The cowardice and fear is generated by crooks who need a war for commercial or imperialist racket reasons.  They are basically protection rackets. 

I do think Zionists have a lot of power over our finance and media.  However, that power is permitted to them by sociopaths who use Zionists as patsies.  Zionists are willing to commit any crime or treachery to back their cause, just like Cuban exiles.  The Republicans have taken advantage of that.

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By Da Bronx, September 20, 2008 at 6:17 am Link to this comment
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“every single war(s) and attack(s) that the U.S. or anywhere around the world recieves or starts, is infact, Population Control”

Actually wars do very little to “decrease” population, in fact, WW II expanded it.

If you look over historical population charts the “Baby booms” after each war more than double the war’srespective casualties in evey case.

For population control plague, and the automobile are far better tools.

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By I Vision, September 20, 2008 at 2:03 am Link to this comment
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A friend of mine made a very interesting point to me the other day, that every single war(s) and attack(s) that the U.S. or anywhere around the world recieves or starts, is infact, Population Control !

It might sound bogus, but it makes since at the same time as well. Like dating back to the attack on Pearl Harbor for example. Rumor has it that the U.S. Government and Japans’ Government made some sort of deal to create what would go down in history as World War 2.

It’s just another conspiracy of course, dosn’t necessarily mean it’s true.

Any kind of feedback would be great.

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By george [:-), June 20, 2008 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks Gutsf for the referral you posted. I dislike sites you still pint the finger that Arabs were allowed to bomb WTC & Pantygone (joke).
I came across this site last week and should be of interest
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6209
Concrete (bunker) bombs were developed in Clinton’s era.Bush could not have pulled the 911 after 8 months in office.
Quote from it-“The factual evidence indicates that our government is using and has used 3rd or possibly 4th generation hydrogen bombs domestically and internationally. The evidence for international usage is not quite as strong as the domestic usage, but when domestic usage is considered, the international usage seems inescapable. The process of exclusion based on the known facts leaves only one viable option for the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings - a relatively pure hydrogen bomb.”
  Bush/Clinton regimes are worse than Stalin’s.

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By gutsf, June 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

A very good resource with summarized 9/11 information including a/v clips and information from Cooperative Research’s “Complete 9/11 Timeline” can be found on the website “Get Up To Speed, Fast” at the following url:

http://www.getuptospeedfast.com/911/index.php

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By george :^), June 20, 2008 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment
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Like in America all of our media(even our CBC) is zionist controlled. Odd thing ,why are they so afraid to question who really done it?
John Hanks has balls to post his views in public.  I tried just once on Crooks and Liars blog site and got band just for questioning 911 bombings. Now how could a anti Bush site and pro site for the Demoos not want to expose 911 or the anthrax?
Here is one of my favourite clips of an old movie. While you watch it—-Beckie as Nancy Pelosie and Ron Paul as Mosnick
ENJOY!
http://www.mahalo.com/Invasion_of_the_body_snatchers

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By John Hanks, June 20, 2008 at 10:18 am Link to this comment
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I just keep standing by the road at least once a week with a sign that says:  (Bush ordered 911).  I also have a handmade sign on my car that says: (Hitler did a 911 Stunt too)

I do this not to convert, but to validate all of those who agree.

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By Maani, June 19, 2008 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

All:

Senator Mike Gravel has officially joined the effort to get a 9/11 Ballot Initiative on the ballot in NYC!  As a member of the sponsoring organization (NY911Truth), I am thrilled with this development.  And he made the announcement on no less a distinguished program than Democracy Now:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/17/former_senator_mike_gravel_calls_for

If you live in NYC, join us!

Peace.

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By Maani, May 19, 2008 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Jingles:

“At least with Obama—- he will pander to the black community instead of Israel firsters.”

Not so.  In fact, of the three remaining candidates (Obama, Clinton, McCain), Obama’s speech to AIPAC was arguably the MOST pandering.  (All of the speeches are available online.)

As well, let’s not forget that, even without a conspiracy theory, the influence of CFR, TC and Bilderberg on the U.S. presidency and government is very real and very broad.  In this regard, Obama is CFR, and his wife is actually director of the local Chicago CFR chapter.  As well, his top foreign affairs advisor (Brzezinski) is all three (CFR, TC, Bilderberg), and about 1/3 od his inner circle advisors are CFR and/or TC.

The more things change, the more they stay the same…

Peace.

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By John Hanks, May 19, 2008 at 5:30 am Link to this comment
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Every generation of Americans produces a new set of suckers to be fooled by both the Republicans and the Democrats.  The Republicans (right-wing) set up 911, and the Democrats let them get away with it.  In effect, the Democrats drove their getaway car.

The gilded age, the Spanish-American War, the Coup attempt of 1933, the sabotaged 1968 Peace Talks, many rigged elections including the October Surprise, and numerous other acts of treason and coverup testify to the character of both “parties”, which are really just one.  True to character, the Democrats won’t really investigate 911 either.

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By Robert, May 18, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment
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I’m old school, so I was educated before that system was used for social engineering. The more people are educated within the system and exposed to mainstream media, the less they know and will not take time to investigate
alternative theories, ideas, perspectives.
Conspiracy theories, at least those concerned with the global economy and geopolitics, tend to makes sense. Investigative reporter Jim Keith put it beautifully when he said:
“If you don’t realize this planet is ruled by a criminal elite, you haven’t been paying attention.”

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By Jingles [:-), March 29, 2008 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment
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If Hitlery or McCrazie get to be president—-USA will be in big do-do. Markets will crash. Head for the hills. At least with Obama—- he will pander to the black community instead of Israel firsters. If he does not—they have ways of keeping Obomba straight.  Forget about any future oresident opening a new 911 investigation—never cause CIA/MOSSAD did it. If anyone did—they would be dead in no time!

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By Conservative Yankee, March 29, 2008 at 6:16 am Link to this comment
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While I respect your opinion about Obama, it is not the Jerry Wright thing that pushes me away from his candidacy.

Actually I like Jerry better than I like the silver-tongued devils running for high office.

Token and The corporate whore are indistingushable in their positions. One voted to start the Iraq war and they both voted to continue it. Both have taked over a Million and a half from Citi-Group the Jabba-the-hut bank behind the mortgage crisis. Both are getting money from Insurance, Pharma, and Bill Gates.

Both are free-traders, both are amnesty supporters, and neither has a plan which they care to impart.

they are waste-paper for my money.

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By John Hanks, March 28, 2008 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment
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It is the large-scale ridiculing of all conspiracy theories, without bothering to become acquainted with even one.  All governments are founded on lies and bullying, and yet no one is willing to even consider the idea.

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By sam brown, March 28, 2008 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Maani,

Their shameless barefaced audacity knows no bounds… take Cheney’s recent straight-faced comments concerning the 4000 US dead service men and women since the Iraq War commenced: “The president carries the biggest burden, obviously, ... He’s the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm’s way for the rest of us.”

Well how ‘bout that…

Cheney on Iraq: ‘It’s Important to Win’
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/story?id=4513250&page=1

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By sam brown, March 28, 2008 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

“I wouldn’t trust either of them to cook my lunch, much less run my life!”

Conservative Yankee,

To be honest and fair about it I need to retract the, “Not that Obama’s any better…” flippant remark I made earlier (wasn’t thinking straight). Obama’s “A More Perfect Union” speech ( http://tinyurl.com/2qorn9 ) at Constitution Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 18, 2008 now referred to as the “Obama race speech” really did contain some very powerful truths that underline why Pastor Jeremiah Wright felt motivated to blurt out those so-called “outrageous comments” that he did and we saw get frenzied media coverage worldwide. The media coverage really was a well-executed and orchestrated exercise in discrediting Obama’s credentials for not only his party’s nomination but to also say to all he’d be an unfit person because of his association with Wright to become President of the U.S. of A. 

There was also quite a distorted attack directed at Obama down here in Australia courtesy of our national “unbiased fair-down-the-middle” free-to-air/taxpayer-funded broadcaster the ABC, that had several of us spitting chips after it aired. Not once does the Lateline presenter or his guest Hitchens refer to anything of substance that Obama spoke about in his speech (forget the transcript as it’s riddled with errors):

Christopher Hitchens on the US Presidential race (24/03/2008)
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200803/r234920_944036.asx

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By Conservative Yankee, March 28, 2008 at 6:27 am Link to this comment
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Sam you say:
“How is Clinton a fit woman to govern a country? Not that Obama’s any better…”

I wouldn’t trust either of them to cook my lunch, much less run my life!

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By John Hanks, March 27, 2008 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment
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I hope he collects his settlement in prison.

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By Maani, March 27, 2008 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

All:

Two things.  First, check this out: it was not enough for Silverstein to get insurance (some $7 billion or so) based on “two separate attacks” on the towers, now he is suing the airlines, the airports and the airport security companies for an ADDITIONAL $12.5 BILLION dollars!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/nyregion/27rebuild.html?_r=1&sq=hartocollis&st=nyt&oref=slogin&scp=1&pagewanted=print

Also, for those who are registered to vote in NY, there is a ballot initiative to open a new, non-political, THOROUGH investigation into 9/11.  To read about this - and sign the petition (but ONLY if you are registered to vote in NY), go to:

http://www.nyc911initiative.org/

Peace!

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By sam brown, March 15, 2008 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

Maani:

“Is Hillary the only candidate likely to call for and institute a new, thorough, non-political investigation into the attacks of 9/11?”

Let’s not hold our breath:

Mike Gravel Exposes Clinton & Obama on Iran, Hillary Cackles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o&NR=1

How is Clinton a fit woman to govern a country? Not that Obama’s any better…

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By John Hanks, March 15, 2008 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment
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I think it is better to make accusations and forget the “theory” stuff.  Only accusations and assumptions of guilt can force any real investigation.  Heat is more important than light.  Israel, Saudi Arabia, Neocons, and Republicans did 911.  They don’t have an opposing theory.  they have a cover-up.

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By sam brown, March 15, 2008 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

“Is Hillary the only candidate likely to call for and institute a new, ‘thorough, non-political investigation’ into the attacks of 9/11?

“As absurd as that might sound [right on], consider that one of her top advisors (and possible VP nominee if she wins the nomination) - Gen. Wesley Clark (of all people) - is supporting the national movement for just such an investigation!”

Please, such comments are dangerous in the extreme - I nearly fell off my swivel chair (admittedly an el-cheapo brand) and broke a leg in the process laughing as hard as I was…

Did you happen to read Rev Wright’s comments? I thought at last we’re getting somewhere, then realised he’s come up way short… doesn’t even mention the 9/11 false flag atrocity orchestrated by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co; talks instead about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ancient history.

http://tinyurl.com/33zjx4

Hillary? What’s she ever going to do for the country? Sweet bugger all just as her hubby did. (He shoulda stuck to his saxophone, and promiscuous women. ‘Bout all he was ever good for.)

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By John Hanks, March 7, 2008 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment
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911 came about as a result of a movement, which then conspired against the people of the United States to get them to wage war on the Middle East.  It is almost a certainty that big oil and the pentagon were intimately involved along with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel and the Republican leadership.

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By Maani, March 7, 2008 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

Llan:

Although I agree with you, there is actually a better way to approach this.  I have used it for some time, and recently heard David Ray Griffin use it as well.

The phrase “conspiracy theory” consists of two words: “conspiracy” - which is when two or more people plan a particular action, usually illegal in nature - and “theory,” which is a belief supported by evidence.

In this regard, the “official story” of 9/11 is as much a “conspiracy theory” as are alternative theories (the preferred phrase).  The government has a “theory” that there was a “conspiracy” (by bin Laden and members of Al Qaeda) to hijack airliners and fly them into certain buildings.  The supporting evidence for their “theory” is The 9/11 Commission Report.

It is that simple.  The government has one “conspiracy theory,” and alternative theorists have others.  There is no need to quash the phrase “conspiracy theory” as long as everyone understands that the “official story” is one as well.

And, of course, a theory is only as good as its supporting evidence.  In this regard, given the errors and omissions in the Report - and conflicts of interest of most of the commissioners - and some of the newer revelations that undermine the Report, it is becoming increasingly compromised, thus making it less and less supportive of the government’s “conspiracy theory.”

As an aside, for all of you who live in NYC, you can now sign on to a proposed ballot initiative that would create a new, thorough, non-political investigation into the attacks of 9/11.  Information can be found here:

http://www.nyc911initiative.org

Peace.

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By Llan Starkweather, March 7, 2008 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment
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Throughout this and other sites, the continued association of two unfriendly words, Theory and Conspiracy, that were most intentionally introduced together virtually into our gene pool after the 40s when the Nuclear Family concept was also launched to sell stuff,is unconscionable. It is not to be continued by any thinking or unthinking person. That association, now almost impossible to sunder, was even then preparing for the martial takeover of the country the current apparent government has been about this last decade. You may say Conspiracy Belief, but Theory, like quantum reality, is a tangible reality. And Belief is what theory floats upon.
  This is a very serious challenge to diggers of all types at all truth information levels to not give away our freedom by the speaking and thus embracing of a malevolent mind virus.

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By John Hanks, March 4, 2008 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment
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I have my doubts whether Hillary or Obama call for an investigation.  Traditionally, the Democrats always find it more important to forget it and move on.

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By Maani, March 4, 2008 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

Is Hillary the only candidate likely to call for and institute a new, thorough, non-political investigation into the attacks of 9/11?

As absurd as that might sound, consider that one of her top advisors (and possible VP nominee if she wins the nomination) - Gen. Wesley Clark (of all people) - is supporting the national movement for just such an investigation!

See the following site:

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Peace.

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By Maani, February 25, 2008 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

All:

Superb, spectacular, must-read article!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=8165

Peace.

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By Maani, February 1, 2008 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

And, of course, it is the Republican/Libertarian Ron Paul who is the only candidate calling for a new, thorough, non-political investigation into 9/11, following ALL the evidence no matter WHERE it leads…

Peace.

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By John Hanks, February 1, 2008 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment
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It will be interesting to see how they will insist on taking care of everything except a thorough investigation of 911.  They covered up Reagan’s first coup, the Nixon Kissinger sabotage of the 68 Peace Talks, April Gillaspie and Gulf War 1, not to mention the attempted coup of 1933 and Prescott Bush’s money for Hitler.

Republicans do the gouging, while the Democrats do the finishing work.

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By Maani, February 1, 2008 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Jojo:

Actually, concrete doesn’t “melt”: the silicon fuses at high temperatures, starting at just over 2500 degrees F.  “Fire brick” (an insulating material not used on the twin towers) “melts” at just over 3000 degrees F.

Still, the fusing of the concrete and the metal in the guns is certainly indicative of remarkably high temperatures, given that jet diesel fuel burns at a hgh temperature of 1800 degrees F.

Thermite (or thermate)?  Most likely.

Good call.

Peace.

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By JoJo is alive!, February 1, 2008 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment
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Mania=—try explaining how jet fuel can melt guns.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/9-11guns/
“THESE GUNS ARE ON DISPLAY AT THE NEW YORK POLICE MUSEUM. CONCRETE MELTS AT 3000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT, PROVING THAT TEMPERATURES INSIDE THE COLLAPSED WORLD TRADE CENTER HAD TO BE AT LEAST THAT HIGH.”
Now ask yourself—why none of this had been major news.-Answer==Zion Media knows that CIA/MI6/ MOSSAD did the WTC attacks. Just imagine if one dares to expose the trio—no media will touch it . Or found dead in 24 hrs.Recall the missing nuke missile—7 of the informers have been found dead—my ass-just all accidents. On this issue ,the media was all on Britney Spears. Time to take out the Zion corrupt media and replace it with Chinese control.

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By John Hanks, January 31, 2008 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment
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“Don’t be Fooled.  Republicans Lie Out of Disrespect”
“Send a Reply.  Join a MEAN union”

“The Criminal Mind thinks It Is Smarter than the Ordinary Mind, Mr.Bond”

“No Rugged Individual Ever Looked Good without his Toadies”

“Homeland Protection Racket:  If Crooks Can Spy on You, They Can Steal from You.”

“Tax It Back!  Republicans Use Crook Media to Steal”

“Vote Blind.  There Has to be a Pinata Somewhere”

“No Free Enterprise…Just the Same Marked Deck”

“Socialisms Turn Big Crooks into Little Crooks”

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By John Hanks, January 31, 2008 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment
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an article on Rense.com about Israeli software and the FAA.

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By Maani, January 31, 2008 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

All:

Check this out!!!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013108N.shtml

(Thanks to TruthDig poster 911truthdotorg for this citation.)

Peace.

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By hetzer, January 9, 2008 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Whenever the right wing commits a crime, they accuse the left of it as a crooked diversion.  They are basically human filth.  I only listen to them when I want to collect some more lies. 

To get into the Pearl Harbor question, I would have to deal with it like an obsessive hobby for a long time.  I have plenty of those already. 

Oddly enough the next model I am working on is one of the Arizona, which I am trying to fudge into a plausible representation of the Wyoming. 

I have read some of the books and seen the movies over the years as a matter of course.  I just find it easier to believe that FDR was a victim of the usual right-wing smears than to believe that he encouraged the Pearl Harbor attack. 

Do Republicans have a monopoly on pretexts for war?  Probably not.  But, they come darn close to it.  They are and have always been vicious criminals.

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By Maani, January 9, 2008 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Hetzer:

It is not a matter of “winning.”  After all, we will never REALLY know, with certainty, what happened in any of these cases.

As an aside, there are actually more left and center writers who believe that PH was a false flag operation than there are righties.  Indeed, it is odd you blame it on righties when Prange himself was right-wing.

Peace.

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