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By nick, January 11, 2011 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment
why are the comments so long?
By Unindoctrinated, December 25, 2010 at 8:16 am Link to this comment
Because of Assange and his ilk the history books your grand-kids will read will have some facts in them instead of the usual propaganda. That alone makes it all worthwhile.
Okay, there probably won’t be any actual books as such and if the U.S. education system keeps on the path it is on your grand-kids probably won’t be able to read and that’s assuming the Christian fundamentalist government allow people to read unapproved books of any kind.
One can only hope there is enough blatant, obvious evidence in the releases to convict those who have committed crimes against the state. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have all committed treason but we all know they’ll never face justice. All Americans should be disgusted by what their leaders have done, be glad to see their lies revealed and pursue justice.
By fearnotruth, December 14, 2010 at 2:01 am Link to this comment
This is charming stuff… crashing the Embassy party and laughing all the way
home. But, when the Telegraph cites this: http://tinyurl.com/2eoendp
November 2009: September 11 pager messages
About half a million pager messages sent in New York City on September 11,
2001, tell the story of the 9/11 terrorist attacks through individuals. Personal
messages from people caught up in the carnage emerge, prompting criticism
from commentators who claim the leak is an invasion of privacy.
While the Bin Laden Myth is being reinforced, random desperate pager
messages are reported as the most revealing of 9/11 in the ‘leaks… you have to
wonder: why nothing was picked up on the 9/11 dancing Israelis, first sighted
in NJ, then caught driving a van stuffed with a ton of explosives on the George
The story also quickly disappeared from the MSM and the Mossad operatives
were quietly repatriated - pretty convincing report on it all here -
By Go Right Young Man, December 13, 2010 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment
PatrickHenry, - “Why would Assange be wanted by the U.S. government if he was in bed with them.
Assange attends an Embassy function and he’s suddenly in bed with the U.S. Government? How do we possibly connect the dots on that?
By PatrickHenry, December 13, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment
Why would Assange be wanted by the U.S. government if he was in bed with them.
That’s right Rumsfeld shook Saddams hand and Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, Ken Lay was Bush’s boy.
The kiss of death.
By reynolds, December 13, 2010 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
gfys; you old fraud. you’re not supposed to mix haldol
with alcohol. mix them.
By Go Right Young Man, December 13, 2010 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
glider, - “I don’t think it is worth engaging GRYM.”
You’ll both get nowhere with me on this issue. That is correct. It matters none how many MASSIVE, self-serving, self-aggrandizing rationalizations you present to yourselves or to others in order to justify lawlessness and the tearing down of rights to privacy.
You have both stated your individual agendas countless times. That is; the United States is bad and deserves all the harm fathomable.
Neither of you gives a damn about who Assange is or what his motives are. You believe his group of self-proclaimed anarchists serves your short term interests. But you are each completely unwilling to have done to you what WikiLeaks is doing to others.
Hypocrisy at it’s fullest!
By fearnotruth, December 13, 2010 at 4:14 am Link to this comment
PH & GRYM: the dialogue is delectable - and the mask… oh my, feels like we’re
living a new installment of “V” - and GRYM, do I hear Agent Smith - the calm
innuendo that resistance is futile… sends a chill!
beneath it all: the fact that NSA (No Such Agency) has archived it all on us all,
can track any of us anywhere, and whose contract agents can make anything
any who are truly subversive and not famous will hear the midnight knock - the
famous should watch what they eat - even those with murderous intent but no
means are easily set up and led to their demise, then held up as trophies and
reasons for which we need ‘protection’ even from the FBI’s own fake bombs -
the smoke, the mirrors, the endless spin of the MSM
why the ‘leaks’ are clearly psy-op: there is nothing revealed of contract black-
ops, while already so much evidence floats well outside the ‘leaks’ and the so-
called villains make up an obvious hit list
nevertheless, the theatre herein is genuinely entertaining - Remember,
rembember the 5th of November!
By glider, December 12, 2010 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment
I don’t think it is worth engaging GRYM. He is behaving like a little child grasping onto and solely focusing on an absurd illogical non-point because he is able to get a rise out of people that seek logical consistency as their goal in settling an argument.
Yeah, ignore simple logic, and reiterate your idiocy. So I’m back to FUAH!
By PatrickHenry, December 12, 2010 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
My SSN? (123-45-6789) has no relevance to Assange or Wikileaks, but you are making it your piss poor arguement.
Now that you have my SSN, what are you going to do with it? Something illegal? How can I trust your motives with it?
The U.S. suffers at the hands of those who would do wrong and seek to cover it up like you and those with your agenda. My aggenda is to promote transparency in Government and ‘out’ those morons who demean the public positions entrusted to them by classifing their lack of judgement.
Like Wikileaks, you have to determine if the information is true or a red herring, but your way too smart for that, aren’t you.
By Go Right Young Man, December 12, 2010 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment
You can make this all about the U.S, government all you wish. That is your personal interest and agenda. But then you miss the real issues at play.
Now lend me your SSN so that I can massage my agenda. My agenda, you see, is JUST AS IMPORTANT to me as yours is to you. The only difference is that I’m not being a hypocrite, yes?
Now, with that said, I do believe the U.S. government, along with most everyone else, classifies too much information. But what you advocate is wrong. You feel it’s right because it serves your purpose.
Let me and others decide if you’re biding the laws and acting morally. Share your SSN!! According to you it’s the only way we can be sure you’re not selling little boys in Africa.
If you haven’t figured it out yet, this is about your rights to privacy and self defense. This is not about your personal interest in making the U.S. suffer.
By PatrickHenry, December 12, 2010 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment
Immoral? Like the U.S. tax money spent on young boys being ‘pimped’ to our Afghan warlord allies courtesy of Dynacorp? Thanks to Wikileaks we are now aware of your morality and desire to keep it secret.
You may be in favor of keeping these type of ‘secrets’ but I am not. I want them exposed and ended. Something our free press did before it was owned.
Please provide some examples of the information wikileaks has given which rises to the threshold of ‘immoral’. Is isn’t wikileaks which is immoral, no I think it will be proven that it is the government, its entity or ally which has been acting in an immoral manner and those actions classified to keep others from finding out.
Assange is not a U.S. citizen and did not commit any acts on U.S. soil. While the ‘leakers’ of these secrets, like PFC Manning have to suffer the consequences of their actions, Assange does not. He signed no oaths or agreements to keep these secrets and only wishes to bring these hypocracies to light.
I have read some articles where he accepted money from Israel to keep a lid on their activities and I have read other articles where all these leaks are meant to keep 9/11 disclosures on the back burner. Either way the world public gets an inside look without the publicists, on how the U.S. government conducts itself in their backyards.
By Go Right Young Man, December 12, 2010 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment
You have your personal agenda and beliefs which lead you to praise the group behind WikiLeaks. I have my own agenda and beliefs. At the moment that entails exposing both your hypocrisy and any criminal/immoral behavior.
You see, Patrick, I so firmly believe what you’re doing is bad that, I believe, I have every right to expose everything about you.
According to you and others one of the best ways for me to expose any potential immoral and/or criminal behavior on your part is for me to release your private information into the wild. I’m still waiting for that information so that I may post it for the entire globe to evaluate with me.
You either believe in what you write or you do not.
By PatrickHenry, December 12, 2010 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment
“You believe otherwise? That’s alright. We’re still waiting on you to post all your E-Mail addresses, all of your scrn names, pass phrases, the last 1000 Web sites you’ve each visited and all outgoing and incoming ISP, Web based and residential correspondence so that we can clearly test your belief in Assange’.
What kind of weak asshole arguement is that? Surely you can do better than portray some association between exposing the peoples business and my own, its a reach but so are most of your posts.
I’ll let Assange release them and live off my up and comming fame and notoriety, like joe the plumber.
By Go Right Young Man, December 12, 2010 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment
Don’t confuse revealing diplomatic cables, military boondoggles, corporate conspiracy, illegal classification of crimes and abuses and personal privacy protection with the issue of what Assange and his group is doing today.
Still waiting for you to display your convictions and stop talking about them!
By PatrickHenry, December 12, 2010 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment
Don’t confuse revealing diplomatic cables of military boondoggles, corporate conspiracy and illegal classification of crimes and abuses with personal privacy protection.
By Go Right Young Man, December 12, 2010 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
Assange is performing a service. A service which the many enemies of freedom, individual privacy and the rules of law, I’m sure, greatly appreciate.
You believe otherwise? That’s alright. We’re still waiting on you to post all your E-Mail addresses, all of your scrn names, pass phrases, the last 1000 Web sites you’ve each visited and all outgoing and incoming ISP, Web based and residential correspondence so that we can clearly test your belief in Assange.
Otherwise you’re just talking. We have enough people talking. Step up and display your convictions.
By PatrickHenry, December 12, 2010 at 11:29 am Link to this comment
Assange is performing a service, one which our free press, i.e. the forth estate, once performed.
Only by revealing fraud, waste and abuse by our military and federal government can we as citizens mobilize against it.
While much of what Assange is releasing has political overtones of what is getting reported and what is not, I am happy to know those insiders who are giving him this stuff have a moral compass.
By Go Right Young Man, December 12, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment
Glider, - “central tenet, that Wikileaks is indiscriminately publishing these documents on the internet…”
F U Asshole then you come back to engage me again? That’s some odd behavior. - O.K. I’ll play along for a short time.
Indiscriminately publishing has not been the “central tenet” within my numerous problems with WikiLeaks. Perhaps you could revisit what I’ve written and address that in place of what you’ve imagined? Would you like to try that?
By glider, December 12, 2010 at 3:15 am Link to this comment
And note that the reason Glenn’s writing is relevant is that your central tenet, that Wikileaks is indiscriminately publishing these documents on the internet, is a false propaganda based lie.
By glider, December 12, 2010 at 2:05 am Link to this comment
And note that the reason Glenn’s writing is relevant is that a your central tenet, that Wikileaks is indiscriminately publishing these documents on the internet, is a false propaganda based lie.
By glider, December 12, 2010 at 1:37 am Link to this comment
In case you have any interest in the facts about what Wikileaks is actually doing, please see the series of articles by Glenn Greenwald who has exposed the disingenuous MSM media campaign against Wikileaks.
By Go Right Young Man, December 11, 2010 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment
glider, - “FU A-hole.”
Spoken like a true adult.
You should be nominated for the Nobel Prize. You so obviously practice what you preach in the cause of peace amongst men
By glider, December 10, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
Your like a little kid who has found what he thinks is a clever retort but does not have the intelligence to dissect the data and the logic properly. Go ahead and continue to masturbate. It makes you feel good and there is nothing anyone can do to tell you X does not equal Y if it makes you kome. Fuck you asshole!
By PatrickHenry, December 8, 2010 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment
While entertaining, imagine if Assange went after the Israelis.
By fearnotruth, December 8, 2010 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment
more in the same article
ITS ALL IN THE WIKI-MATH
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
If it looks too good to be true, trust me on this, run like hell!
Put yourself in the place of a decent and honest reporter. You wait, your pulse
pounding, 92,000 documents. You have your entire staff, the obits guy, the
restaurant critic, all sitting up at your house, pounding down tequila and
espresso. Five of you and 92,000 documents, that’s 18,400 each. You can
each scan only 500 documents an hour, that’s a day and a half, but you have a
deadline and your Wikileaks lead story has to be in for the morning paper.
You get a text message to check your email. You have a list of articles there,
the real “gold” among the senseless time wasting “chaff.” You have one of those
moments of moral dilemma. For a real reporter, in the real world, that
moment came and went without notice.
You can now make the deadline, and you have the lead story, Pakistan is
running the Taiban, murdering American troops, Iranians are swimming the
Euphrates, bringing IED’s into Iraq and a 74 year old grandfather from
Rawalpindi is managing world terrorism when he isn’t on CNN.
With reporters finding, just the right places in Wikileaks, we wanted to look at
the odds. Golfing is a good comparison, so we checked the odds of someone
getting a “hole in one” playing golf. Is finding the right articles in Wikileaks
easier or harder than getting a “hole in one” playing golf?
In 1999, Golf Digest reported, “One insurance company puts a PGA Tour pro’s
chances at 1 in 3,756 and an amateur’s at 1 in 12,750.”
That same issue reported that the “odds of an amateur making two holes-in-
one in a round are 9,222,500 to 1.”
Ireland’s National Hole in One Club puts the odds a little lower for one ace:
“The estimated odds of acing a hole with any given swing are one in 33,000.”
And an article in the magazine Navy Newsstand, citing Sports Illustrated as its
source, put the odds at 45,000 to 1 for “scoring a hole-in-one on a typical
par-3 golf hole.”
This is the comparison we came up with. With our odds, were there only one
Wikileak, at 4,130 compared to “hole in one” odds for a golfing pro at 3,756,
the analogy works. Thus, 38 out of 92,000 articles is about the same as
getting a hole in one. However, when you consider this is the 3rd straight hole
in one for Wikileaks, the odds figure to be well over 20 million to one against.
Wikileaks beats the odds bigtime.
By fearnotruth, December 8, 2010 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment
RE: By diamond, December 8 at 6:26 am Link to this comment
Clearly fearnotruth you do fear truth because all you ever do is lie and attack
Assange for telling the truth or at least allowing it to see the light of day, while
the journalists who are supposed to do this have been bought off and also do
nothing but lie. They should be grateful to Assange: he is taking all the risks (as
are the whistleblowers, the forgoten heroes in this story) to do a job they’re too
cowardly to do.
wrong I have not ‘attacked’ Mr. Assange once - my ‘opinion’ is barely
on display - that Wikileaks is a PSYOP, whose, I’m not sure - I ask questions
and point to sources I believe pertinent - Gordon Duff seems to be onto it - if
you don’t like what Gordon Duff writes about the Wikilieaks Psyop, post a
contrary position or write to Mr. Duff about it - he even answers those who
leave comments, right on his web site - one of his recent postings:
GORDON DUFF: WHY WIKILEAKS DOESN’T ADD UP
December 6, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff · 106 Comments
ITS ALL IN THE WIKI-MATH
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
One out of seven news outlets have noticed, thus far, that Wikileaks seems to
have a “soft heart” when it comes to Israel and India. Zbigniew Brzezinski
caught on, finally, declaring that Wikileaks is an “intelligence operation” using
“pointed” information carefully “seeded” into a combination of minor scandals
and chickenfeed. There is absolutely no question for the press that Wikileaks is
totally phony, we all know it, it is blatantly slanted, clearly not only anti-
American but aimed at Islam, the easy target of all time. Wikileaks is also trying
to be more and more clever about seeming less the Mossad “game theory”
construct that we all know it is. The “clever” is fun to watch, more “ham
handed” than esoteric.
“FOUR ...TEN THOUSANDTHS”....WHERE THE PRESS HAD TO GO IN FINDING
INTEL ON PAKISTAN IN WIKILEAKS Much of the press seems to have gotten
“talking points” from somewhere, leading them to the material Brzezinski
picked up when he “trashed” Wikileaks. We did the “math” on the Afghanistan
leak. 80% of the stories to hit the media mentioned Pakistan aiding the
Taliban. We did the actual count and found 38 reports out of 92,000
documents that were unsubstantiated reports of Pakistani activity in
Something about this had a terrible smell. It should have taken weeks to find
the Pakistan stuff but the press had it all immediately. Brzezinski is right,
Wikileaks is something very wrong packaged to look very innocent. We saw the
same thing in the Iraq “dump,” all about imaginary secret agents from
By Leefeller, December 8, 2010 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment
“Notice how people who piss off the government, get to go to hauk abd bit oass Go.”
Re: Notice how people who piss off the government, get to go to jail and do not pass GO!
By Leefeller, December 8, 2010 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
Notice how people who piss off the government, get to go to hauk abd bit oass Go. In the eyes of morons, one is guilty because of accusations, this has been seen before, Scott Ritter comes to mind, I am sure others also, political figures outside the rat infested Washington seem to end up being guilty without a trial.
Set up and entrapments is not a novel idea, just used for simplicity sake.
The media is making Assange: sound a lot worse then Osama Been Laden, maybe Assange is not a real person either? Writing in Assage for president in 2012 would be a waste of time, because he is not a US citizen like Obama, and anyway I am voting for Palin!
By diamond, December 8, 2010 at 1:26 am Link to this comment
Clearly fearnotruth you do fear truth because all you ever do is lie and attack Assange for telling the truth or at least allowing it to see the light of day, while the journalists who are supposed to do this have been bought off and also do nothing but lie. They should be grateful to Assange: he is taking all the risks (as are the whistleblowers, the forgoten heroes in this story) to do a job they’re too cowardly to do.
As for the information being ‘stolen’, this information belongs to the public by right, it is their taxes that paid for it to be collected and stored. This is information the public has a right to, so that they can make an accurate assessment of the political/economic/military global culture of criminality and feudalism disguised as economic ‘rationalism’ and the ‘war on terror’. We’re being played for suckers and have been for decades and the parasites who run this disgraceful, unjust and inhuman system are mad as hell that someone has ripped away the mask of democracy and showed the hideous face America hides from the world. They’re vampires: drag them out into the light and they start to rot and crumble into dust. Naturally they will do anything to try to prevent that happening but the genie is well and truly out of the bottle and they’re just playing hymns on the deck of the Titanic now.
As for Obama: Michael Ruppert got it right when he called him a ‘prisoner’. He is completely powerless and is now just a figurehead. His impotence on health care and tax breaks for the rich and infamous proves that beyond all doubt. He is now officially the new George W. Bush - just better educated and gives a much better speech. Otherwise he is pretty useless. If you really want to piss them off, put Julian Assange’s name in when you vote, if you have a paper ballot. I believe some places still do. Now, that will really cause their heads to implode and that’s exactly what’s required at this point. In fact you should demand paper ballots be brought back because computers are infinitely hackable - as Julian Assange knows only too well.
By Go Right Young Man, December 8, 2010 at 1:08 am Link to this comment
You hate n******” but your grammar is truly spectacular.
You get the last word. Good luck to you.
By reynolds, December 7, 2010 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment
respectful? as in “i hate n******” ? your interest in
listening is as small as your interest in grammar.
please accept this in the spirit i intend; g f y s.
By Go Right Young Man, December 7, 2010 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment
reynolds, - “cute when you’re mad.”
Try and imagine adult bluntness less the 3rd grade whining in frustration. Try and imagine a respectful disagreement which doesn’t include your angry gfys….LOL
Sharing opinions and listening to others here is a small hobby of interest. I am far from angry. If I ever find myself angry doing this, it will be the day I go quiet.
By reynolds, December 7, 2010 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment
you say “criminal, completely self-serving and
bordering on an insane and detestable self
flagellation” as though i were in denial. i own it all
and worse. i’d rather flog myself than the audience.
this because we disagree. you’re a prize.
By reynolds, December 7, 2010 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment
you’re cute when you’re mad.
The Village Schoolmaster
Beside yon straggling fence that skirts the way
With blossom’d furze unprofitably gay,
There, in his noisy mansion, skill’d to rule,
The village master taught his little school;
A man severe he was, and stern to view,
I knew him well, and every truant knew;
Well had the boding tremblers learn’d to trace
The days disasters in his morning face;
Full well they laugh’d with counterfeited glee,
At all his jokes, for many a joke had he:
Full well the busy whisper, circling round,
Convey’d the dismal tidings when he frown’d:
Yet he was kind; or if severe in aught,
The love he bore to learning was in fault.
The village all declar’d how much he knew;
‘Twas certain he could write, and cipher too:
Lands he could measure, terms and tides presage,
And e’en the story ran that he could gauge.
In arguing too, the parson own’d his skill,
For e’en though vanquish’d he could argue still;
While words of learned length and thund’ring sound
Amazed the gazing rustics rang’d around;
And still they gaz’d and still the wonder grew,
That one small head could carry all he knew.
But past is all his fame. The very spot
Where many a time he triumph’d is forgot
- Oliver Goldsmith
By Go Right Young Man, December 7, 2010 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
reynolds, - “we get it; you’re morally and intellectually superior.”
On this single issue that is correct. And I refuse to be polite about it.
Why do I refuse to be polite on this issue? Because what most of you advocate is criminal, completely self-serving and bordering on an insane and detestable self flagellation.
Lastly, I detest a good many traits found in the far right of contemporary American politics - Sean Hannity is a good example - however, even more than Hannity I detest the whining that some on this Web space practice when not getting their way. - Most any seven year old is intellectually superior to your GFYS.
By reynolds, December 7, 2010 at 11:45 am Link to this comment
it’s what you write that he doesn’t believe. you are
the most indefatigable of hacks.
we get it; you’re morally and intellectually superior.
“whatever skeptic could inquire for, for every why he
had a wherefore.” -samuel butler
By Go Right Young Man, December 7, 2010 at 7:40 am Link to this comment
MC RN. Fruitloop,
If you don’t believe in what you write why not simply say as much? Or is it that you believe in these things for others but, not yourself? - Obviously you’re a well intentioned, loosely ethical, “Progressive”.
I’ll watch Keith Olbermann this evening so we’ll both know how you’ll think and feel tomorrow.
Good luck with finding your own voice.
By eir, December 7, 2010 at 6:27 am Link to this comment
Ever feel like you’re being played?
By Michael Cavlan RN, December 7, 2010 at 1:39 am Link to this comment
I use my real name here.
So again I repeat.
After you fruitloop.
Let me reiterate.
Right after you, ya f***ing fruitloop.
What make you think that your opinion on anything matters?
Are we clear now Sparky?
By PatrickHenry, December 6, 2010 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment
I suggest that you change your screen name to Go Back to Sleep Young Man.
By Go Right Young Man, December 6, 2010 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment
I’ve tried to keep it to myself but I cannot. Why do you insist on this Arab-Muslim facade you’ve constructed? Do you believe it gives you some sense of respectable victimhood?
If I may? Try another Scrn Name. You appear not to understand that “Arabian Sinbad” is taken as an insult by an Arab.
By Arabian Sinbad, December 6, 2010 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment
Never in my life I ever had a poster of any personality hanged on a room of my residence!
Furthermore, never in my life I wore a t-shirt with a human image on it.
However, now at age 60, I will get a signed copy of Assage’s poster along with a t-shirt of his picture to wear and display proudly in my residence!
By Arabian Sinbad, December 6, 2010 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment
Julian Assange is my ultimate hero at a time when heroism is a rare commodity!
If he is killed or hurt by the evil ones, he will become the ultimate martyr for this Arab-Muslim!
By Go Right Young Man, December 6, 2010 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment
MC RN. fruitloop,
Obviously I find posting such information for the world to sift through, at will, to be problematic. You, at first, appeared to have little problem with it. Now you and everybody else seem to be balking at the notion when its your information and/or secrets.
Stand up tall I say. Make your point. Post your private information. It’s the only way you can prove, not only your convictions, but that you’re not an apparent criminal.
You either believe or you do not. The rest is your simple words derived from an ill-considered and ill-advised position on the subject of Illegally Obtained Private Information. - It matters none how well intentioned you believe yourself to be.
Does the U.S. Government classify too much information? YES! But that is not the subject when considering PFC. Manning and WikkiLeaks/Assange.
We will all await that information. What do you need? Two days? Lend me your SSN# I’ll post much of it for you.
By reynolds, December 6, 2010 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment
if he had aired the bank information first he might
be more popular. somewhere i have read a
psychological profile of the whistle blower type
which summed up as problematic. i don’t know mr.
assange’s motives, but my impression of government
lately is one of thugs, thieves and trespassers-
unskilled all. that they have been out spied says
more of their ineptitude than wikileak’s prowess.
i’m for integrity; thus am i relegated to my daisy
decal covered vw bus, there to contemplate my
we disagree, that’s all. no sense in tipping over
the wagons and burning them. as you become less
aware of my opinion, you might be compelled to own
that you are the stalker who caused me to cease
posting under my real name some time ago.
when i start making demands, you’ll know it.
By Michael Cavlan RN, December 6, 2010 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment
Like I told ya.
Right after you, ya fruitloop.
By fearnotruth, December 6, 2010 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment
RE: GRYM: Please post each of your respective E-Mail addresses, all of your scrn
names, pass phrases, the last 1000 Web sites you’ve each visited and all outgoing and
incoming ISP, Web based and residential correspondence.
By some accounts, NSA (No Such Agency) is already collecting it - who knows? As for
the attempt to assert hypocrisy, it’s clearly a failure - really is a case of being “unable to
see a bad analogy even when its inappropriateness is pointed out.”
RE: glider: And I furthermore do not go around feeling hurt about people not buying
into my pet theories and reacting by practicing character assassination on an individual
such as Julian Assange who appears to me to be a modern day hero.
It’s not about ‘hurt feelings’, just common ‘civility’, or lack thereof, and
mischaracterizing ones words - nothing that I have written on this subject is in any way
“character assassination on… Julian Assange” - I don’t do that - I generally question things
and point to other sources - I don’t even impugn the ‘character’ of those I personally find
to be as reprehensible as Henry Kissinger - simply point to his public record: “...military
men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” - reported in “The
Final Days”, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein - It was said by Kissinger in front of
Alexander Haig, newly appointed White House chief of staff, in Haig’s new office in 1973.
Now, I’ve just quoted from Woodward’s book, and in other places on this Wikileaks
subject have pointed to sources that scrutinize Woodward’s role in the Pentagon Papers -
often compared to Wikileaks for different reasons - in some sources I’ve cited, the
Pentagon Papers, like Wikileaks, is referred to as ‘deflective source disinformation.’
In some comment threads on the subject, both Assange and Ellsberg are referred to
as having been ‘played’. Who knows? Gordon Duff is more assertive, pointing to Assange’s
curiously short time behind bars for his ‘hacking’ conviction.
Again - not ‘my’ opinion - if you take exception with citations and analysis, by all
means do so - personal ‘attacks’ are alienating, a waste of time and uncivil; but then
through ones words is the only way one is known in these forums
actually, glider, it seems you’re the one displaying ‘hurt feelings’ that reverence for your
‘hero’ is not shared
By Go Right Young Man, December 6, 2010 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment
Michael Cavlan RN, - “do you not believe in the free flow of information and ideas?”
Clearly I do not. Not in the manner you have suggested.
I’ll give you a day or two on posting the information you’re so willing to share. In fact I’ll believe you to be a great and courageous individual by standing with conviction. I’ll stand right beside you!!
By Leefeller, December 6, 2010 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment
Geeze! I wrote a long lengthy post on the merits of imbeciles which was not posted and seems to have gotten lost in the never never land of web,..... and then GRYM showed up, what a coincidence!
As for the Mr Fish cartoon, I like what it suggests the anger of those in power getting caught with their pants down. This seems similar to the book written by someone who dissipated the religious authorities, so they called an Uff Da on him.
Hearing the MSM belittling the Leaks says a lot about them.
By Michael Cavlan RN, December 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment
Go Right Young Man
Funny, I could do most of that very easily. Then I thought
Or do you not believe in the free flow of information and ideas?
By Go Right Young Man, December 6, 2010 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment
You either believe in what you demand of others or you do not. It’s certainly looking more and more like you do not.
Be an example of a true, disciplined, hero. Forget the many risks to yourself. Do It Now!
By Go Right Young Man, December 6, 2010 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment
reynolds, -“republican, good; democrat, bad. well done.”
As you become more aware of my opinions you’ll see, first-hand, that I am one who detests that sentiment. - You assume too much. - I contend that people are human in all groups.
Now, if we could all have that information I’ve requested you will be held up as a true, selfless, hero whom believes in what you demand of others! - Or are you changing your position?
Are you refusing to open yourself up as you demand of others as it would be tantamount to political, financial and privacy suicide?
Be an example to others. Release your private information today. You may even save some lives.
By glider, December 6, 2010 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment
Not at all, you are just unable to see a bad analogy even when its inappropriateness is pointed out. Heck am I even demanding that I am able to influence decisions that may end up getting your sons and daughters killed in an illegal war?
By reynolds, December 6, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment
gyfs; i like you, too.
responsibility is commensurate with power.
irresponsibility is dropping another quarter into
your slot that you should launch into weeks worth of
cutting and pasting from dictionaries- not that you
need any prompting. you’re a self starter. you and
your kind made this country great, no doubt shooting
with both hands while holding the reins in your
teeth, not the least hindered by your bad eye or
lack of irony.
republican, good; democrat, bad. well done.
By Go Right Young Man, December 6, 2010 at 11:58 am Link to this comment
I see. So you feel the need to add some qualifiers before you’ll step up and do what you demand of others. What you demand is “the right thing to do”.
By glider, December 6, 2010 at 11:35 am Link to this comment
Go Right Young Man,
Get me put on the Government Payroll collecting tax dollars for my work here and I will have no problem complying with your request.
By Go Right Young Man, December 6, 2010 at 10:58 am Link to this comment
reynolds, G F Y S
You are one of my heroes! Please help us all and post the information requested so that the entire world will know, as I do, just how abundantly selfless and heroic you are.
By reynolds, December 6, 2010 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
grym; g f y s.
By Go Right Young Man, December 6, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
PatrickHenry, diamond, glider, Peter Knopfler, fearnotruth, SteveL, samosamo, reynolds and Michael Cavlan RN.
You are all to be commended on your steadfast belief in openness and full disclosure(s). It’s impossible to know the true motivations of any individual or group without such widespread openness.
Please post each of your respective E-Mail addresses, all of your scrn names, pass phrases, the last 1000 Web sites you’ve each visited and all outgoing and incoming ISP, Web based and residential correspondence.
If each of you practice what you demand of others I, for one, will hold you all up as selfless and heroic patriots deserving of sincere high praise and honors. Failure to open yourselves up to such scrutiny, however, demands that all of us here look upon each of you as “nefarious” criminals bent on the death and destruction of democracy.
We are all in need of true heroes in this harsh environment. It gives us terrific hope. Please step up and show yourselves.
By glider, December 6, 2010 at 8:55 am Link to this comment
I certainly do not claim the government has provided the real truth regarding 9-11 or even knows that truth. I feel even more that way about JFK’s assassination. But, I definitely do not go around claiming or implying that I know the actual truth about either situation. And I furthermore do not go around feeling hurt about people not buying into my pet theories and reacting by practicing character assassination on an individual such as Julian Assange who appears to me to be a modern day hero.
By fearnotruth, December 6, 2010 at 3:43 am Link to this comment
RE: ...nothing to be accomplished by taking on the extraordinary additional
risk of executing a controlled demolition of the twin towers.
...except what both Silverstein and the Port Authority benefited - dumping some
white elephants and collecting a monstrously huge insurance settlement - a
whole other extensively complicated chapter
I’m never drawn into talking about how buildings fall down - I would point
however to one of several salient points in the 9/11 narrative - this in particular:
Mid-August 2001: Hijacker Hanjour Still Not Skilled Enough to Fly Solo
Hani Hanjour. [Source: FBI] 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour goes to the
Freeway Airport in Bowie, Maryland, about 20 miles west of Washington. He
wants to rent a single engine Cessna airplane. However, when two instructors
take him on three test runs, they find he has trouble controlling and landing the
plane. One instructor has to help him land. Due to his poor skills, therefore, he
is not allowed to rent one of their planes without more lessons.
However, on 9/11, in piloting Flight 77 into the Pentagon, Hanjour would have
needed to do much more than simply point the plane at a target. Because Flight
77 at first seemed to overshoot its target, the Washington Post will note that “the
unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a
fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the
Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level.… Aviation
sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely
that a trained pilot was at the helm.” [WASHINGTON POST, 9/12/2001] One
Washington air traffic controller will later comment, “The speed, the
maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of
us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.” [ABC NEWS,
10/24/2001] One law enforcement official who will study Flight 77’s descent
after 9/11 will call it the work of “a great talent… virtually a textbook turn and
landing.” [WASHINGTON POST, 9/10/2002] Remarkably, the 9/11 Commission
will overlook the numerous accounts of Hanjour’s terrible piloting skills (see
April 15, 1999 and January-February 2001) and state that 9/11 mastermind
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed assigned the Pentagon target specifically to Hanjour
because he was “the operation’s most experienced pilot.” [9/11 COMMISSION,
7/24/2004, PP. 530]
Hani Hanjour fits the profile of a classic patsy - can’t execute the terror and if
you follow the entire timeline and you’ll see a ‘protected’ patsy, from the day he
go his last visa, till Sept. 11, 2001 - what really happened with AA-77, who
knows; however, the Official Conspiracy Theory, is clearly compromised by the
case of Hani Hanjour.
By glider, December 6, 2010 at 3:07 am Link to this comment
It would appear that Julian Assange is drawing heat not only from the U.S government, but from the 9-11 Truther Movement for having questioned their version of “truth”.
You can put me in Assange’s camp. While I plan on reading David Ray Griffin’s “Cognitive Infiltration”, to better expose myself to that reasoning, at this stage I do not buy into the 9-11 Truther Scenario. Common sense tells me it is an assinine theory. Why? Because there is absolutely nothing to be accomplished by taking on the extraordinary additional risk of executing a controlled demolition of the twin towers. Simply flying 2 planes into these buildings was sufficient to allow the Bush Administration to execute its War on Terror and Iraq War Agenda. The 9-11 Truther Movement both proposes master government manipulation and master idiocy at the same time.
By SteveL, December 6, 2010 at 1:11 am Link to this comment
Amazingly the government and financial institutions can be as heavy handed as
they please in their actions but unbelievable thin skinned when it comes to being
By fearnotruth, December 6, 2010 at 12:18 am Link to this comment
By glider, December 6 at 2:07 am Link to this comment fearnolie,
I checked out a couple of your links and they are laughable.
Yes I did react to your post with an attack.
By diamond, December 5 at 10:54 pm Link to this comment That’s absolute
bullshit fearnotruth. ... Check the water you’re drinking.
wow - I never attacked the fellow - I point to other places online that suggest
interpret the events alternatively - curiously, you lot are so used to this sort of
exchange, you can’t have a civil one - google ‘wikileaks psyop’ - the hits run to
20 pages, I just grabbed some at randome
If you really look at what I’ve written, actually very little is my own opinion:
1. “Wiki-leaks psyop is perhaps the cleverest since the Pentagon Papers”
2.“of course we have no idea who anyone here is”
finally, again, ask yourself why does Julien Assange, who in his philosophical
writing, deems all governments “conspiratorial”, dismiss as “annoying” those
who challenge the 9/11 Myth (lynchpin to the global war of terror)
finally - here’s Gordon Duff’s latest - again, it’s not my opinion, but wothy of
consideration - go attack Grordon Duff if you like - he takes comments
GORDON DUFF: SELLING WIKILEAKS, SELLING HATE FOR AMERICA
JULIAN ASSANGE, THE NEW “YASSER ARAFAT”
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
(With commentary by Steve Johnson)
Wikileaks has divided the world into two camps, those who love Wikileaks as a
slap in the face for the United States and those who recognize the stench of
Wikileaks for what it is, simple Israeli propaganda. Millions around the world
look at Wikleaks as poor, harried Julian Assange and his personal struggle
against the evil empire of Bush/Obama America. Hate, envy, oh, there is lots of
envy here, America stimulates that with its highways filled with gas guzzling
cars, eating half the world’s meat, all the best music, television and a military
that scares the begeezus out of everyone. What’s not to hate?
Many American’s are buying in on this hate. Journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave
calls these people “self hating Americans.” He has, at times, coined me their
leader. Consider this my resignation. There is nothing in Wikileaks about
fixing problems, the job honest critics of America believe in, or at least should.
Wikileaks is cheap sleazy marketing, dime store junk in a shiny package.
The biggest challenge of all had to be marketing Julian Assange. Assange
began life as a reputed computer hacker though never punished when caught.
This is where the smell begins. Other hackers waste away in prison, not
Assange. Assange seems to have a guardian angel. It didn’t take Assange long
to attack the 9/11 truth movement, the single area where America and the
world actually want information leaked. Getting a 9/11 leak out of Assange is
not likely, not even since the rest of the world learned about building 7 being
demolished by exposives. We are all still waiting for Assange to explain his way
out of that one. We didn’t know who he was protecting over 9/11. We still
aren’t sure but, more and more, the Assange 9/11 denial, with the revelations
about Building 7, is another smoking gun, one pointed at Wikileaks as phony,
one pointing at Israel as looking more than a bit involved.
By Peter Knopfler, December 5, 2010 at 11:13 pm Link to this comment
Very Good drawing, looking up into the beyond for
some reasonable response and yet it seems His
leaks,His Personality and success has created the old
American Lynch mob, in the deep south not too long
ago, in my life time, one man lynched every 3 days
for years. Calling for his execution seems more KGB
of the 50s, now CIA Today. Julian is a Prince a Man
of integrity, honesty who said a Transparent
Government is a Just government. LETS ALL GET REAL
AND THE SUPPORT
Julian Assange, Wikileaks,
Before all our Hands are Tied.
Secrecy Regime will always abuse the public, Hitler
Stalin Mao all stated their abuse with secrets.
The Catholic Church kills for secrecy,
How many years did it take the public to find out
that America was injecting Syphlis to people of
Guatemala 1940 same time Hitler was making soap from
Support the Truth! NOW!
By glider, December 5, 2010 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment
I checked out a couple of your links and they are laughable. Assange is “linked” to the Rothschild Banking Family because he received an award from the Economist? Are you serious? And your “awesome” article being a video of nonsensical ramblings from a supposed disgruntled ex founder of Wiki-leaks?
Yes I did react to your post with an attack. I find it offensive that an individual such as Assange who appears to be contributing so much and putting himself in serious danger is attacked by you and others with such a low standard of evidence. Have you ever met a straight forward interpretation of anything that you agree with, or is it always some convoluted plot you must buy into?
By diamond, December 5, 2010 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment
That’s absolute bullshit fearnotruth. You’re just running a little psyop of your own. You want to make people think all this is not for real but is controlled by the CIA. What a joke! The CIA has never had such a dedicated opponent as Wikileaks which is the absolute opposite of everything the CIA is devoted to: namely secrecy, elitism, corporatism, Fascism, war, injustice, exploitation, deceit and the status quo. The people on this site are too intelligent to fall for your ‘I know you are but what am I’ stunt. And you get your political insights from Ahmadinejad? Check the water you’re drinking.
By PatrickHenry, December 5, 2010 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment
Whether or not I believe that Assange wikileaks has benefited Israels foreign policies is not important.
Assange has reintroduced news into the regulated MSM as we now know it.
It is interesting how the bobbleheads react when news presents itself in an original format with original content.
By Scheer sexism, December 5, 2010 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
Damn, I bet Lady Justice couldn’t walk after that banging.
It’s funny how Truthdig’s not above a little sexism when it suits them.
By G.Anderson, December 5, 2010 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment
Apparently, Mr. Assange has received hundreds of death threats, and in the interest of his own safety has created a doomsday file, In case something happens to him or he is taken into custody. A key to the file, which is incrypted will be released.
The file can be downloaded here.
Supposedly this file contains, previously hidden information on 911 and the banks.
By fearnotruth, December 5, 2010 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment
RE: By glider, December 5 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment
You are so full of shit it is coming out both orifices. That’s right Assange and everything else is a secret CIA plot that only
fearnolie and his fellow co-conspirators are let in on. They are so sophiticated that only the brillant fearnolie is able to
communicate to the unwashed masses through their special powers. Or just maybe you are CIA agent? If so I have as much
evidence for the claim as you do for you unrestricted vomit.
Surprising it took so long to stimulate such and attack - not at all intended, but always expected in the
blogoshpere, inhabited by so many small minds, which typically resort to ad-hominem invective when confronted with
positions contrary to theirs.
For the record (since this feels like an interrogation): None of the authors of the following have ever communicated directly,
personally or otherwise with me; ergo, undermining the accusation of “co-conspiritors”
“Isn’t this the guy who Bruce Willis killed in Diehard 1?” John Scott
Here’s a catalog of links showing Wikileaks and Assange is a big psy-op.
Something Stinks about Wikileaks
WikiLeaks founder: Netanyahu believes exposé will aid Mideast peace
Wikileaks and Alex Jones preparing you to accept future internet censorship
Will the real Wikileaks please stand up. (Excellent article)
CIA, Mossad and Soros Behind Wikileaks
(Awesome article) Julian Assange, CIA Agent Provocateur
Governments using Wikileaks to spread disinformation ?
Julian Assange on 9/11 truthers
By 4omgh, December 5, 2010 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment
I never tried to buy anything from Truthdig before, so I was a little surprised to find your site wants me to pay via PayPal. PayPal has just booted Assange off its approved list. Let’s get up to date here, guys. I know, it’s getting harder to act correctly politically—not the same as being politically correct—but you ought to make the effort.
btw, when I submitted this, Explorer dumped the transmittal. Is political commentary now not allowed on line?
By mdgr, December 5, 2010 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment
By FiftyGigs, December 5 at 5:11 pm:
Fifty gigs is a moniker that’s transparently compensatory. You can’t help it that it’s really only 50 bytes, but at least remember to take your meds.
You missed the point of my post entirely. As I have said before when you crossed my path, you’ve also really got to take a course in remedial reading.
By mdgr, December 5, 2010 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment
By mack894, December 5 at 9:22 am:
Your framing of the crime was hilarious.
You are right, though the fact is that hardly anybody knows it in America.
Assange’s alleged failure to use of a condom was the only issue here, not forced consensual sex.
By FiftyGigs, December 5, 2010 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment
“How’s THAT for a little “civil disobedience” in the iconographic style of Julien Assange?”
Pretty darn little.
* Protest Amazon—you go do that. Don’t forget the cute sign.
* Chain yourself to Amazon’s fence—Amazon has a fence?
* Ask Robert Scheer to call a boycott of Amazon—and if he says no?
* Buy an ad in the Times—(because they need the money) to tell the House Minority leader (Minority, thanks to you) to buzz off.
And as a result of this my God! so simple strategy, magically “start the dominos falling in the DNC”.
In other words, you want to piss off a handful of people, starve yourself, give money to one of the richest corporations in America, for God’s sake don’t upset John Boehner, and destroy the only Party housing progressive respresentatives.
And you’re calling Rico a conservative????
You’re Karl Rove’s best friend.
By glider, December 5, 2010 at 10:09 am Link to this comment
You are so full of shit it is coming out both orifices. That’s right Assange and everything else is a secret CIA plot that only fearnolie and his fellow co-conspirators are let in on. They are so sophiticated that only the brillant fearnolie is able to communicate to the unwashed masses through their special powers. Or just maybe you are CIA agent? If so I have as much evidence for the claim as you do for you unrestricted vomit.
By Question Everything, December 5, 2010 at 6:20 am Link to this comment
“I can’t think of very many people on the left willing to piss off virtually every government on Earth for the sake of principle.”
Right on mate! Most r just like those on the right: they use things that people believe in just to manipulate them. Tight wing is abortion, gays, guns, security etc. Left wing ie human rights, gays (opposite pov though), anti-corporations etc
Politicians don’t have principles, at least not decent ones.
1)& 3) true - Amazon & ebay - some already boycott them
I - Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
As of today, that’s just “parchment paper”.
By mack894, December 5, 2010 at 4:22 am Link to this comment
I suspect that Sweden is trying hard to convince interpol that having consensual
sex without wearing a rubber is a very serious sex crime worldwide. Apparently it
is required in Sweden even if the woman agrees to waive the condom. Penalties
are severe and could involve a permanent shut down of his junk. In prison, he’ll be
forced to attend sex ed classes where he’ll have to put condoms on bananas at
least 5 times a day.
He’ll be denied use of a computer, of course. The U.S. wants to propose a deal
whereby they’ll forget Polanski for Assange.
This affair is getting ridiculous, but I suspect BANKS & CORPORATIONS have
threatened to foreclose on America if Assange is not captured immediately.
By mdgr, December 5, 2010 at 4:12 am Link to this comment
>Very “Che Guevara.”
I can live with that. It’s iconic, you’re saying. Trust me, we appreciate the thought.
I can’t think of very many people on the left willing to piss off virtually every government on Earth for the sake of principle. Most lefties fear spending a single night in jail. When has Arianna or Mr. Scheer suggested that we do anything heroic?
Now, we have a hero, you say, and you wish to call attention to his beanie. Ah, you right wing cynics. The beanies were all sold out in the last president’s reign, didn’t you know? For a time, Obama was our hero, but then we learned that he was just a shill.
So yes, Assange will do quite nicely. He comes across as no less ballsy than that fictional Lisbeth Salander lady, you know, but he’s very, very real. He’ll be pushed under the bus in the end, perhaps, but then he’ll emerge a martyr.
As such, he’d be galvanizing. And you can laugh now, but that too may not last long. Hollywood is greedy, Oliver Stone too.
And soon, perhaps, progressive leaders—all wimps now—will dare to call for the unthinkable.
Now IS a time for magical thinking, perhaps.
(1) If I had a magic wand, I’d ask for an orchestrated protest of Amazon, eBay (which owns Paypal) and the State Dept (responsible for the Columbia University WikiLeaks warnings).
(2) I’d ask Move-On to stop with its idiotic petitions and use its resources to reach millions of progressives—an exhortation that we chain ourselves to the fence of the White House or Amazon would serve nicely, but involving hundreds of thousands of people, not just a few.
(3) I’d have Robert Scheer and Arianna call for a major general boycott of eBay, Paypal and Amazon. I’d ask them to also call for a general rolling strike (sick and vacation leave can be used by those still employed) targeting the shameful action of America in Afghanistan and a lot of other places.
(4) I’d buy a one page ad in the NY Times and ask the progressive caucus in Congress to tell Reid and Pelosi to buzz-off, while declaring themselves up as Independents.
(5) And yeah, I’d probably make a public and very loud comparison in that NY Times ad between the Dems and the collaborative Vichy government. It certainly would get noticed, and in the wake of that, I think the dominoes would begin to fall on the DNC.
The list goes on, but you see the general drift. This general, however, would absolutely take no prisoners and would use an entire division of magical tanks that would roll right over them.
How’s THAT for a little “civil disobedience” in the iconographic style of Julien Assange?
Granted that’s all fantasy right now but who knows?
A memory of Che Guevara would do very nice indeed right now, and I thank Mr. Assange for giving us that.
BTW, what heroes do you folks on the right wing have to match that?? The beanie image fits.
By fearnotruth, December 5, 2010 at 2:41 am Link to this comment
RE: @fearnotruth - incoherent
to be clear
Gordon Duff knows more about this stuff than any of us - he is a Marine Vietnam veteran, and
Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international
banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies
or acting as diplomatic officer of UN humanitarian groups. Gordon Duff’s articles are published
around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a
popular and sometimes controversial guest.
GORDON DUFF: WIKI-LEAKS IS ISRAEL, LIKE WE ALL DIDN’T KNOW
LAME “LEAK” SITE NOTHING MORE THAN THIN COVER FOR “THE TEL AVIV TANGO”
July 29, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Now “Wiki-Leaks” is busy selling phony bin Laden stories, having the long dead Osama humiliating
the CIA by running around villages in Afghanistan selling vacuum cleaners. What is our “leak” site
really about? This is a dead news cycle. The World Cup is over, lots of people on holiday and no
major stories. Only in a dead news period like this, as Oliver Stone pointed out, could the Israeli
controlled media dump a pile of lame rumors mixed in with box loads of chickenfeed, passing it
off as the story of the century.
finally, again, ask yourself why does Julien Assange, who in his philosophical writing, deems all
governments “conspiratorial”, dismiss as “annoying” those who challenge the 9/11 Myth (lynchpin
to the global war of terror)
as for rico - in another thread, Patrick Henry jested that his cockpit looked like that of a bus after
rico let us all know it’s a Boeing 777 - I followed here: who better among us to weigh in on the
curiously top-gun-class piloting by the hapless Hani Hanjur Sept. 11, 2001, who, it appears,
fulfills the primary requisites of a classic ‘patsy’: can’t do the mission, ergo is in place primarily to
‘take the fall.’
By SteveL, December 5, 2010 at 1:29 am Link to this comment
Fox hides behind the 1st amendment with their continuous lies and distortions. The problem with WikiLeaks is?
By Question Everything, December 5, 2010 at 12:29 am Link to this comment
“I - Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
I know you hate free speech & the free press; but some of us actually believe in THESE values (not the part on 3/5ths human or “merciless Indian savages” & other crimes the “founders” committed).
Remain ignorant if you want, but don’t become t\like the Chinese & Iranians & demand everyone submit to your authoritarain rule of “shut up & do it my way”. No thank you.
I don’t believe in heroes, but the Americans who shared this info did good work; wikileaks r the real promoters of human rights, free speech & the press.
@Samosamo, rico suave - well said
@Michael Cavlan - good points especially MSNBC (a national disgrace) & @Ohiolibgal, if you believe 1/10th of MSNBC, then you’ve learned from these wikileaks.
@fearnotruth - incoherent
@patriot01001 - no comment
By Leefeller, December 4, 2010 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment
These leaks are something that should not be allowed, once again we get to see the emperor has no clothes! A good reason to ban nudity!
By G.Anderson, December 4, 2010 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment
me too ohiolibgal…
By GreenClover, December 4, 2010 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment
First, the classified cables were to released anyway in the future by the FOIA process. Plus, our former presidents & high govt. officials always write their memoirs & have all sorts of classified information in their books & nothing happens.
Just read a new book that’s a must for everyone. Don’t have much money this yr. but I’ll be giving this thriller out to others, it’s that good. About Americans who finally take a stand against tyranny in Ameria. I recommend it.
Also, it’s the government’s responsibility to keep the state secrets & the respnosibility of journalist to report the news. So, who is really the guilty party in the leaks (govt. or WIKI?) Good article!
By ohiolibgal, December 4, 2010 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment
Assange is the real Ministry Of Truth. I like MSNBC but there are lines GE apparently does not wish them to cross.
Cannot wait for the bank leak coming.
By G.Anderson, December 4, 2010 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
The governments response is predictable.
First they try and devalue and smear anyone who reveals things they don’t think the public should know about.
This takes the public’s attention off the governments activities, and focuses it on their intended target.
They also create an uproar in the press, so it looks like they have no choice but to act.
Then come the legal issues. Keeping the target in court, having to answer a constant stream of charges. Whether those charges are true are not, doesn’t matter. Because it keeps the target, “pinnned down”, and takes resources away from them continuing to pursue their agenda against the government.
After months, years, or decades of this, the public usually begins to associate the persons name with their legal issues, instead of what they are trying to say.
If the plutocracy hadn’t created a government that was just a tissue of lies they wouldn’t fear the truth so much.
By fearnotruth, December 4, 2010 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
The classified diplomatic cables published by Wikileaks are the Pentagon Papers
of the pro-Israel right
BY LEE SMITH | Nov 29, 2010 1:34 PM
forgot the link
of course we have no idea who anyone here is - who knows, maybe rico really
does drive a bus and only imagines he’s flying a B-777
perhaps we should ask rico his opinion of Hani Hanjurs highly touted top-gun
piloting of AA77 on Sept. 11, 2001, especially after he couldn’t check out to
solo a Cessna less than a month earlier - as for all that, ask why Julien Assange
dismisses those who challenge the 9/11 Myth
about me I’ll say only this - I am an artist, starving in this philistine capitalist
paradise, caught up, an addiction as it were, in trying to see the world for what
it is - whatever that might be
2 things to never forget:
1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus
Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)
2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the
major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)
By Michael Cavlan RN, December 4, 2010 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment
I have heard this theory about Wikileaks being a Zionist creation.
I do not buy it and in fact see no real evidence to substantiate it.
This is damaging to the illegal US wars which are being fought, in part to aid
the racist, apartheid like Israeli state. It also showed how the other Arab states
are assisting the US and Israel in an attempt to destabilize Iran. That should
REALLY anger the “Arab Street.” That also is counter productive to the US and
I do understand (quite well) how counter propaganda and counter intelligence
and political subterfuge works. I lived in northern Ireland for 15 years..
So I am not speaking from a place of ignorance on how these things work.
I also use my full real name.. Instead of an anonymous name. THAT alone
causes me to question the veracity of folks who blog.
How an we be sure that this is not some right winger or government agent
trying to spread confusion and discord?
Also, for the record Bradley Manning is reported to be an anarchist. Not a right
wing nut job like say Rico Suave.
By fearnotruth, December 4, 2010 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment
Wiki-leaks psyop is perhaps the cleverest since the Pentagon Papers
The classified diplomatic cables published by Wikileaks are the Pentagon Papers
of the pro-Israel right
BY LEE SMITH | Nov 29, 2010 1:34 PM
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a press conference in Tehran
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has positioned himself as a left-wing
whistleblower whose life mission is to call the United States to task for the evil
it has wreaked throughout the world. But after poring through the diplomatic
cables revealed via the site yesterday, one might easily wonder if Assange isn’t
instead a clandestine agent of Dick Cheney and Bibi Netanyahu; whether his
muckraking website isn’t part of a Likudnik plot to provoke an attack on Iran;
and if PFC Bradley Manning, who allegedly uploaded 250,000 classified
documents to Wikileaks, is actually a Lee Harvey Oswald-like neocon
By Michael Cavlan RN, December 4, 2010 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment
Here is the comment I just sent to MSNBC (owned by GE, weapons
manufacturers and “allows” pro Democrat “progressives” like Keith Olbermann,
Rachel Maddow etc etc) MSNBC like all the rest of the “media” in this country are
attacking Julian Assange..
I suggest others do likewise
Jullian Assange is a real, honest to God hero. Wikileaks is the latest version of
the Pentagon Papers being released.
You folks attack him.
Fuck you MSNBC and all the rest of the media.
Now, go do some more stories about some celebrity being panty-less..
You are the enemies of an informed public and so, by extention the enemies of
I have stopped watch you or CNN, Faux Nooze or any of you all.
I am far from alone. People are starting to wake up to your lies.
By reynolds, December 4, 2010 at 2:35 am Link to this comment
general principle, i guess. i wonder myself why i find
you so annoying. perhaps it is your glib, hectoring
tone, your use of inane bywords (like “progressive
agenda” whatever that means), your seeming ubiquity.
for the last i cannot fault you as your type are
everywhere. would that matters were all so clear cut as
you seem to believe. they ain’t.
mr. assange’s motives notwithstanding, it is a good
thing to expose nefarious dealings.
my apologies, rave on.
By NYCartist, December 3, 2010 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment
Don’t like the wording. Sexist imagery.
By rico, suave, December 3, 2010 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment
And I offended you personally how?
By reynolds, December 3, 2010 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
one is naive who hopes for better future. one is a
communist who would expose frauds and criminals. one is
engaged in serious debate who heckles from the
sidelines like an adolescent.
this drawing resembles che guevara the way your
bullshit resembles sobriety.
it says “mommy issues” with authority. wanker.
By rico, suave, December 3, 2010 at 11:00 am Link to this comment
I like the drawing- very “Che Guevara”-esque. That faraway dreamy gaze into a better future for all mandkind. All that’s missing is the beenie and red star. Can’t wait for the tee shirt!
By samosamo, December 3, 2010 at 2:17 am Link to this comment
Wanted! For making those criminals look the
criminals they are. Hill billy hillary is MOST
WANTED and that is why she is crying about
being outed from wikileaks. Could she just
forgot that diplomacy is not a closed door back
room agreement, naw, it just convenient for her
nefarious ambitions. BITCH!!!
By GW=MCHammered, December 2, 2010 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment
Liars fear the truth.
Spinners subvert it.
Truth is dangerous when the above rule it.
By TheHaplessCapitalist, December 2, 2010 at 7:06 am Link to this comment
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