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By Meme, December 22, 2009 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment
ah the baby jeebus and santa claus - true the xtians hate the jeebus was jewish - US support for Israel is based on sinister reasons - Peace for all religion for none!
Israel commits evil in the face of the evil committed against them perpetuating evil til the end of times - which the US hopes is just around the corner - now if only they could get everyone back to jerusalem - america can get to rapturing…
Peace on earth end religion now - Seculism rules!
By NYCartist, December 22, 2009 at 8:04 am Link to this comment
I like the cartoon (and I don’t have any news reference for it). I’m a (atheist)Jew, with awareness of the annual feeling of “outsider” that Christmas has made, lifelong for me as a Jew.
Also an awareness that the Christians do not forgive Jews for not accepting Jesus Christ as messiah.
See the book (or things online about the book and the movie of same title) “Constantine’s Sword” by James Carroll. This is a nonfiction history of the relationship of the Church to Jews and it gets a lot of controversy. I read the long book as far as the discussions of theology, which ended it for me.
The history is good. Carroll is both peace activist of decades, journalist - Boston Globe, former seminarian, son of a general (and he authored a book on the Pentagon, where he sat as a kid while dad worked), novelist.
I went to public school, starting at age 4 during WWII, in Brooklyn, NYC. My neighborhood was working class Italian and Jews (a few middle class families were there too). (My dad worked in the local post office when I was in K, before his WWII disability made him too ill to work.)
Many of the Italian kids left my public school in the 3rd grade to go to the local parochial school.
(We did not refer to ourselves as hyphenated Americans, and I still just use “Italian” or “Jew”, or “E. European Jews”, which we were children/grandkids of immigrants from Italy (mostly Sicily) and E. Europe (mostly Poland). We remained friends. Some came back to public school for junior high school; some never left.
So I grew up on a block half Jews and half Italians.
Public schools did a lot of Christmas in a not completely secular way - viz the carols. I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish home and was very uncomfortable with Christmas. And I was poor.
In high school, when I’d go to Manhattan, such as W. 34th St. (still a big shopping street for working class and some higher price range), I’d be miserable with the Santa Claus,etc. everywhere.
How much secular is it now? I have a photo of the side of Macy’s Dept. Store (which I sometimes roll thru their wheelchair access “tunnel” to go from one avenue to the next indoors) on W.34th St with a huge sign in lights: “Believe” (I added quotes) (in script in lights).
That, at least, is funny. Taken a few weeks ago.
The worst moments I’ve had in recent years, was in
2006, determined to get a bell to put on my small wearable art sign, about Justice for All, to remember Sean Bell, who’d been murdered by NYPD, I stayed too long going north on Fifth Ave on Christmas Eve to go to a favorite button store. Stayed on Fifth too long for a wheelchair user. We got trapped in crowds looking at store window decorations - I’m lower, as a wheelchair user and folks bang into me, trip on footrests, hit me in shoulder, head with bags…Truly scarey. Blocked in a crowd on all sides.
After several minutes, we got onto side street to go West. I didn’t get to the button store for the bell, but found a tiny bell at home on an Indian necklace I’d had and added it to the black ribbon on my sign, with some red ribbon for blood.
Three weeks ago, a Salvation Army Santa gave me a mini handbell, even though I didn’t give money. I told him and showed him my Sean Bell bell, as I thanked him. I am not a fan of the Salvation Army since before they ousted women from their women’s NYC East Side residence to sell the real estate. In the 1990s, I was asked to leave the lobby of a residence for elders because I use a wheelchair. I was waiting for someone I knew to come down. (A decade plus ago.)
By dsmith, December 22, 2009 at 4:32 am Link to this comment
Recently the head rabbi for the Israeli army said, “When you attack do not be like the gentiles who take pity on their enemy. You should not be like them…show no mercy!”
The Jewish lobby in the US was instrumental in pushing for the invasion of Iraq and is now controlling the agrument that Iran is a threat to our homeland. Disgust towards Jews, especially so-called neocons (cough…Bill Kristol) has not endeared them to those paying attention to their zest for war…as long as their sons and daughters are not the ones who actually fight and die.
By Joshik, December 21, 2009 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment
To be more in line with the sentiments of Truthdig readers, the cartoon should
clearly identify both figures as Jews, and the caption should read as follows:
“So let me get this straight, old man - you’re saying that all I have to do is
renounce my Zionism and people will like me more?”
By doublestandards/glasshouses, December 21, 2009 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
I take it that the kid is the baby Jesus, what with the
halo. Mr Fish usually requires a second look. It’s
never pointless trash.
By peedeecee, December 21, 2009 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment
It’s a comment on Garrison Keillor’s tasteless column about Christmas as a secular celebration. He blames it on various groups, but particularly singles out the Jews.
Not a very good cartoon, but not entirely pointless.
By jj, December 21, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment
What pointless trash.
I expect more from Truthdig than this.