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Shame on the Swiss

Posted on Nov 30, 2009

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By Myles, December 2, 2009 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment
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“How arrogant to tell the Swiss how to live”

Nobody here is telling the swiss how to live. The only people doing that are the voters who are telling swiss citizens what shape of building they can build.

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By liecatcher, December 2, 2009 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

How arrogant to tell the Swiss how to live. Whatever
happened to wanting our own borders secured & not
being inundated by illegals. Whatever happened to the
lifeboat idea. Steady uncontrolled population growth
leads to starvation, deforestation, congested
highways,  the growth of ghettos,crowded
America has gone from a productive melting pot to a
cauldron of evil & host to fascist miscreant
parasites,feeding & preying on we the people who have
become a brainwashed numbed down & dumbed down
populace & they control everything in pursuit of
world domination.

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By truedigger3, December 1, 2009 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

Jim Yell,

You display total ignorance and deep prejudice that will help nobody including yourself or the Swiss.
It might surprises you to know that there is a great similarity between Islam and the Old Testament with Islam calling for much more humanity and compassion.
In the Old Testament, “God” urged the Israelites to kill everyone including women and children in the conquered Amalik people, Islam on the other hand urges humane treatment for civilians and captured enemy soldiers.
Islam doesn’t call for killingg rebelious children as “God” instructed in the book of Leveticus.
I know and I knew some Muslims and they are as good or bad as anybody else.

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By Jim Yell, December 1, 2009 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
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I have based my opinion on Islam by its history and its words. You know in our little bit of America we have a mosque and on a day to allow the community to meet and hear their side of things, very liberal and open person I know went to the public meeting. He asked, “What would Moslems do if they found a person to be “gay” and without hestitation the Mullah said “would kill them”. Well that was just a reaction to a pervert, but we know that is the same solution that they have for people who have any negative thing to say about Islam or even ask a serious question that they think is disrespectful. The Mullahs have also world wide made it clear that they consider democracy to be only allowed if it follows the rigid dogma of Mohomet.

Of course, we had a President recently who dismissed the wishes of the American People and said he didn’t have to make a decision because God told him what he needed to do. Of course, apparently God told him to lie to the people, to corrupt his oath of office and to commit murder and theft. Interesting, all of these religions are based upon Judaism? There must be a common flaw some where.

As far as individual Moslems I am sure there are many good people, just as there are good Mormon’s and they like Moslems worship a man who is historically known to be a thief, a liar and to have had a rather distastful obsession with young girls, even after they themselves became old enough to know better. I guess you missed the part about the question of why when some one tells you just what they are going to do and does it, why would you say I am surprised? It makes no sense to me, nor do many of the comments.

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By Myles, November 30, 2009 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment
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“As far as I can see Islam at the very core is fundamentalist and can not be trusted to grant the rest of humanity the same protections they want for themselves.”

Could you admit that there might be more beyond “as far as you can see”? You present a very harsh ultimate and general assessment of 1 billion of the world’s individuals.

I have lived with and around many Muslims and have found that they display the same array of good and bad as the rest of us.

And if there really is a “problem” with the Swiss Muslim population, what could banning minarets do but alienate and enrage them? They must feel more like outsiders in their new country, and less likely to feel like they have a stake in the common good.
If there was an effort to help the Muslim population better acclimatize, get jobs, stability, etc…then that would go a long way in encouraging a peaceful and cooperative society.
In my opinion the Swiss have heaped trouble upon themselves.

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By gerard, November 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

“Do not ask for whom the bell tolls.
It tolls for thee.”

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By Sam, November 30, 2009 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment
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He Yells: “at the heart of Islam is oppression, murder ...” . How did you become
such a scholar of Islam? by watching Fox News? On what basis do you make such
non-sensical statements? How many Muslims do you personally know?

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By radson, November 30, 2009 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

A mini knife and a minaret from the money handlers of Europe perched on their Redoubt .

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By NYCartist, November 30, 2009 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

Great, and sad,true.  First I saw my favorite “toy” (my mini has scissors,too), then did a doubletake at the noose…star and crescent.

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By Jim Yell, November 30, 2009 at 8:24 am Link to this comment
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One of the most amazing things about the lead in to WWII was that after the war started so many supposedly educated political people said, “Well I am just shocked that Adolf did this and did that”, interesting since Adolf had written a book in which he said “I will do this and I will do that” and guess what? He did.

Now we find ourselves in an embarressing quandry. We believe that people should as groups and as individuals have the right to believe or not to believe in God as they believe is right. We also believe that a person has the right to change religion or religious sects as they believe one or the other is not in keeping with what they believe is right. What we don’t have is a judgement of what to do when religions are aggressive and don’t want to grant others the same rights as themselves.

The fact is at the heart of Islam is oppression, murder and a lack of respect for women, except within very narrow confines, so over half of their populations are without proper protection from the powerful.

We have a Bill of Rights and I personally think all religious should have to pledge their support for other peoples rights to believe and practice. Unfortunately fundamentalist Christians, such as Huckabee all believe they have the right to ignore civil law and force their religion on the rest of us. As far as I can see Islam at the very core is fundamentalist and can not be trusted to grant the rest of humanity the same protections they want for themselves.

I think it was a big mistake to let them in this country in the first place. We have enough home grown crazies without importing them and I say hurrah for the Swiss.

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By Diana Brooks, November 30, 2009 at 5:47 am Link to this comment
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Nothing surprises me about “CLEAR FOLKS”. It used to be us blacks portrait with this same noose around our neck in eurocentric settings. But Muslims outnumber them, live amongst them, and are resilent. Beware “clear folks” empires come and go.See what happen to Rome with the Huns. history can repeat itself.

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